2008 NFL Mock Draft PT 2

[kona bronco]

Round 1) LB Dan Connor Penn St.
Round 2) LB Ali Highsmith Louisiana St. or LB Phillip Wheeler Georgia Tech
Round 3) S Jonnathan Heffney or Dennis Keyes UCLA

I' ve been catching hell some what on this topic let me explain
1. denver will be picking (with current standings) with the 12th pick
2. Ray maulauga has stated he is not entering the draft
3. laurinaitis and rivers will probly be gone
4. glen dorsey and kenny phillips will also be gone

Denver NEEDS 2 linebackers. Gold and Webster are not filling thier gaps on running plays and neither can seem to cover a tight end.

We missed our chance to have two great run stopping DT in tank johnson, and grady. But Thomas will be good in time.

Our DE are young with only D-ville producing. Crowder must step up to the plate with Moss out with a broken leg. Rice is over paid and over the hill and will remain to be on the bench right next to engelberger.

Our cornerbacks are solid but had poor showings in GB and DET. This will come to an end with some type of pressure on the QB.

Ferguson has played decent as of late, Lynch is old and battered an has hinted that this is his last year. He will be a comentator next year. Fox is great but is much needed as a nickle CB and the broncos released Cox.

Both Dan Connor and Ali Highsmith are great againts the run, can cover tight ends and are great on blitz to pressure the QB. The best part about it is that there is a great chance of them being available when we pick. Jonnathan Heffney will be the best avaiable saftey in the third and a strong possibility of us picking up DT Demarrio Pressley in the fourth round. This will give us a very young but talented Defense.

2009 and 2010 we will work on our O-line and add depth at WR.

[elevation INC]

i like the connor pick but very few teams will need a lb ahead of us, most of the teams problems are on offense and their o and d lines. however if we get a lb our first pick our second pick needs to be a DT and most agree, since phillips will be gone i like your safety pick for 3 but we will see. also lb depth is deep in the draft so our 4th pick should be used on a backer. the fix the o line with the next pick. and get dizon with our sixth pick and another o line for our seventh if we havent traded the pick away to move up.

[kona bronco]

i like the connor pick but very few teams will need a lb ahead of us, most of the teams problems are on offense and their o and d lines. however if we get a lb our first pick our second pick needs to be a DT and most agree, since phillips will be gone i like your safety pick for 3 but we will see. also lb depth is deep in the draft so our 4th pick should be used on a backer. the fix the o line with the next pick. and get dizon with our sixth pick and another o line for our seventh if we havent traded the pick away to move up.

the three DT worth a first or second round pick (dorsey, ellis, okam) will be gone before we get a chance demmario pressly in the forth is a great pick. DT's Fluellen, bryant and moore will be available in the third round, but a hard hitting saftey ALA (atwater, lynch) is our second highest priorty. With improved LB and S Bates defensive schemes will come around. His scheme uses DT to take up space and make Linebackers, defensive ends and Safteys make plays.

[gyldenlove]

I do love the Connor pick. He can play outside and inside so he definitely helps out. We could put him inside and move DJ back to Will. Highsmith is small for a Sam backer. I think Ezra Butler-Beaton would be a better pick for the outside.

Frank Okam is slipping right now so hopefully we can get him lower or get Red Bryant from A&M to fill the gap in the middle. As for safety, I am not so worried about drafting a player in the 4th round, the last couple of years good safeties have been available in the middle rounds for teams willing to wait.

[Gator Broncos]

I agree we need linebackers. I think Gold has had a better showing than DJ Williams this year though. We need a hard nosed MLB, and move DJ back outside where he is more comfortable. I'm also concerned about Henry's future with the drug charges looming around. If we continue to have poor defensive showings, we may move up in the draft and be able to pick up Dorsey, or if we're lucky, maybe Darren McFadden (I know we always have good backs, but this kid is going to be the next best thing to Adrian Peterson). I also think our offensive line needs some work. Cutler has been getting decent protection, but the run game has been stagnant at best. It may be time to adapt the offense to let Cutler start throwing more, maybe more of a west coast type look. He's got the arm for it, and if we can keep a healthy stable of recievers, he could be lethal. Clearly, we need to improve on both sides of the ball though, so it's hard to say what we need the most. LB's would be a good start, but d-linemen or o-linemen would be good too. Our pass rush is still pretty bad, but I think once we get a healthy roster, some of these problems will fix themselves.

[AZBRONCO20]

A little earlier to start the Mock draft. Lets sit and enjoy the turnaround for the rest of this season and into the playoffs.

[Dream]

Actually, Denver has the #11 selection - and where the two linebackers are absolutely fantastic, I am not thrilled with Hefney as a safety in the NFL. I think he'll do best in a Cover 2 scheme like the Vikings run as a corner. I'm not really a fan of this draft at all.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

I don't like this draft at all.


First, Connor isn't as good as Posluszny, and he went in the early 2nd round. Second, Connor is an OLB, and they rarely go in the Top 20 unless they are college DE's being switched to a 3-4.

I personally think there will be much better value then a LB that early in the 1st round. If Laurinaitis is there, sure maybe, but even then, I don't think we want to move DJ Williams from MIKE. He's playing pretty well now.


AND...my main issue is this....you can draft as many Ray Lewis's as you want, but if you dont have any Haloti Ngata's at DT clogging away, your Ray Lewis's are going to suck. That's just the way it is.

AND...it is almost impossible to get quality DTs in Free Agency, you basically have to get them in the draft...and the good ones almost always are drafted in the first round. It's a historical fact.

MEANWHILE....it's relatively easy to get good-great LBs in Free Agency, and very easy to get solid LBs in the middle rounds of the draft. If there is an elite talent, sure, you grab one, but unless Laurinaitis comes out, there is not an elite LB in this draft, just a bunch of good ones. And none I'd reach on with a Top 15 draft choice.



Truly, it a philosophical debate. Your LB selections aren't poor selections. I just can't fathom how Highsmith, whom is the size of Ian Gold, would fare any better in our defense with 330lb OGs blocking him every play. Connor is fine, but not with a Top 15 pick. If we want him, we need to drop back into the early 20s. Heffney is probably going to be a late 1st round pick, he won't be available in the 3rd round for absolutely certain. We don't have a 3rd round pick anyway.


As of this moment, in the first two rounds I'm going:

1) DT Frank Okam
2) DT Red Bryant

Those two guys alone will make a giga-normous impact on our existing LB corps. Probably much more then drafting new LBs that will be buried in opposing OGs due to not addressing our DT problem.

[Ncfootball]

I don't like this draft at all.


First, Connor isn't as good as Posluszny, and he went in the early 2nd round. Second, Connor is an OLB, and they rarely go in the Top 20 unless they are college DE's being switched to a 3-4.


Connor actually believes that his natural position is MLB, and he was switched to MLB for this year. He has performed at a very high level at both positions in college, so I think he could come here and give us flexibility at the linebacker position. If DJ does not work out at MLB, we can move the very instinctual Connor there.

I would love to see either him or Rivers in the first round; although, I am also hoping for an offensive lineman who could hopefully become dominant.

[socalorado1]

Jeez!
Heres the MLB DEN needs OK?

Beau Bell, UNLV
Height: 6-3. Weight: 245.
40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round: 2.
Led UNLV in tackles before missing a good portion of the 2006 season with an ankle injury. Can play outside and inside. And no not like DJ can supposesdly play both. This guy is the beast!
And if not him then,
Vince Hall, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-0. Weight: 240.
40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round: 2.
Notched 112 tackles, 3.5 sacks and two picks in 2006, earning him a spot on the All-ACC First Team.

Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-4. Weight: 235.
40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round: 2.
One of the top defensive players in the SEC, Jonathan Goff had 93 tackles in 2006 and was the leader of the Commodores.



Here is the best Outside guys starting with Ezra baby!

Ezra Butler, Nevada
Height: 6-2. Weight: 248.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Ezra Butler, who runs an incredible 40 for his size, accumulated seven sacks in 2006. He had 5.5 in 2005.


Philip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 2.
Philip Wheeler will be playing inside linebacker for Georgia Tech in 2006, but he's better suited on the outside when he gets to the pros. He followed up a four-sack, four-pick 2005 campaign with a whopping nine sacks in 2006

As for safety, heffney isnt doing anything special, nor is Griffin. Phillips is going to go high, so The best trus FS centerfielder is
Thomas DeCoud, FS, California (10/4)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round: 3.
An emerging player who has played extremely well in 2007. Won Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week honors after registering a pick and a forced fumble against Arizona.
Also
Quintin Demps, FS, UTEP
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round: 2-3.
It doesn't matter that Quintin Demps played in Conference USA; he still managed to accumulate seven interceptions and two forced fumbles in 2006.
As for SS, i would love
Josh Barrett, SS, Arizona State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 231.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 2.
A monstrous safety, Josh Barrett is one of the top defensive backs in the Pac 10. He started every game in 2006, notching three picks and 82 tackles.
or
Craig Steltz, SS, LSU (8/30)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 204.
40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round: 2-3.
I guess LSU has an OK replacement for LaRon Landry. I'm being sarcastic of course; Steltz picked off three passes in LSU's 45-0 victory over Mississippi State. Even when he wasn't intercepting Michael Henig, he was always at the right place at the right time. He definitely helped his draft stock.

Played behind LaRon Landry, so hasn't gotten much exposure. That'll change in 2007. Steltz is a smart safety, who picked off four passes despite starting only one game.
But here si the sleeper at FS!!
Yep Corey Lynch mark my words he will be the steal of the draft my freinds!!!
Corey Lynch, FS Appalachian ST.
Height 6-0 Weight 205
40 Time 4.64
Projected round 4-5
The playmaker for his team, he just is always around the ball. Never afraid to lay the wood, Corey can cover with the best and intimidate opponents just as well.

Also keep an eye on
Bobbie Williams, FS, Bethune-Cookman
Height: 6-0. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: 4.
Following in the footsteps of Bethune-Cookman alumnus and current Packers safety Nick Collins, Bobbie Williams is the best safety in 1-AA. An interception machine, Williams has picked off 13 passes in his career.

[Broncosinindy]

I do love the Connor pick. He can play outside and inside so he definitely helps out. We could put him inside and move DJ back to Will. Highsmith is small for a Sam backer. I think Ezra Butler-Beaton would be a better pick for the outside.

Frank Okam is slipping right now so hopefully we can get him lower or get Red Bryant from A&M to fill the gap in the middle. As for safety, I am not so worried about drafting a player in the 4th round, the last couple of years good safeties have been available in the middle rounds for teams willing to wait.

Ezra butler has not produced great in college and looks mediocre at this point. Now if you were to throw the other linebacker in there bell from Nevada then you got a deal

Frank Okam has almost a better year by pure numbers then sedrick ellis and doresy. having almost the same numbers i think his falling is unwarranted and youll see him come the combine have his value shot right back up if he has a good combine hell go top ten.

[D.J.55]

Jeez!
Heres the MLB DEN needs OK?

Beau Bell, UNLV
Height: 6-3. Weight: 245.
40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round: 2.
Led UNLV in tackles before missing a good portion of the 2006 season with an ankle injury. Can play outside and inside. And no not like DJ can supposesdly play both. This guy is the beast!
And if not him then,
Vince Hall, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-0. Weight: 240.
40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round: 2.
Notched 112 tackles, 3.5 sacks and two picks in 2006, earning him a spot on the All-ACC First Team.

Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-4. Weight: 235.
40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round: 2.
One of the top defensive players in the SEC, Jonathan Goff had 93 tackles in 2006 and was the leader of the Commodores.



Here is the best Outside guys starting with Ezra baby!

Ezra Butler, Nevada
Height: 6-2. Weight: 248.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Ezra Butler, who runs an incredible 40 for his size, accumulated seven sacks in 2006. He had 5.5 in 2005.


Philip Wheeler, Georgia Tech
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 2.
Philip Wheeler will be playing inside linebacker for Georgia Tech in 2006, but he's better suited on the outside when he gets to the pros. He followed up a four-sack, four-pick 2005 campaign with a whopping nine sacks in 2006

As for safety, heffney isnt doing anything special, nor is Griffin. Phillips is going to go high, so The best trus FS centerfielder is
Thomas DeCoud, FS, California (10/4)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round: 3.
An emerging player who has played extremely well in 2007. Won Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week honors after registering a pick and a forced fumble against Arizona.
Also
Quintin Demps, FS, UTEP
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round: 2-3.
It doesn't matter that Quintin Demps played in Conference USA; he still managed to accumulate seven interceptions and two forced fumbles in 2006.
As for SS, i would love
Josh Barrett, SS, Arizona State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 231.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 2.
A monstrous safety, Josh Barrett is one of the top defensive backs in the Pac 10. He started every game in 2006, notching three picks and 82 tackles.
or
Craig Steltz, SS, LSU (8/30)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 204.
40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round: 2-3.
I guess LSU has an OK replacement for LaRon Landry. I'm being sarcastic of course; Steltz picked off three passes in LSU's 45-0 victory over Mississippi State. Even when he wasn't intercepting Michael Henig, he was always at the right place at the right time. He definitely helped his draft stock.

Played behind LaRon Landry, so hasn't gotten much exposure. That'll change in 2007. Steltz is a smart safety, who picked off four passes despite starting only one game.
But here si the sleeper at FS!!
Yep Corey Lynch mark my words he will be the steal of the draft my freinds!!!
Corey Lynch, FS Appalachian ST.
Height 6-0 Weight 205
40 Time 4.64
Projected round 4-5
The playmaker for his team, he just is always around the ball. Never afraid to lay the wood, Corey can cover with the best and intimidate opponents just as well.

Also keep an eye on
Bobbie Williams, FS, Bethune-Cookman
Height: 6-0. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: 4.
Following in the footsteps of Bethune-Cookman alumnus and current Packers safety Nick Collins, Bobbie Williams is the best safety in 1-AA. An interception machine, Williams has picked off 13 passes in his career.


i love these guys expectly Beau Bell. i need to know more bout Bobbie Williams. really never heard of him. i will have to add him to my watch list that is steadly growing.

[Broncosinindy]

I don't like this draft at all.


First, Connor isn't as good as Posluszny, and he went in the early 2nd round. Second, Connor is an OLB, and they rarely go in the Top 20 unless they are college DE's being switched to a 3-4.

I personally think there will be much better value then a LB that early in the 1st round. If Laurinaitis is there, sure maybe, but even then, I don't think we want to move DJ Williams from MIKE. He's playing pretty well now.


AND...my main issue is this....you can draft as many Ray Lewis's as you want, but if you dont have any Haloti Ngata's at DT clogging away, your Ray Lewis's are going to suck. That's just the way it is.

AND...it is almost impossible to get quality DTs in Free Agency, you basically have to get them in the draft...and the good ones almost always are drafted in the first round. It's a historical fact.

MEANWHILE....it's relatively easy to get good-great LBs in Free Agency, and very easy to get solid LBs in the middle rounds of the draft. If there is an elite talent, sure, you grab one, but unless Laurinaitis comes out, there is not an elite LB in this draft, just a bunch of good ones. And none I'd reach on with a Top 15 draft choice.



Truly, it a philosophical debate. Your LB selections aren't poor selections. I just can't fathom how Highsmith, whom is the size of Ian Gold, would fare any better in our defense with 330lb OGs blocking him every play. Connor is fine, but not with a Top 15 pick. If we want him, we need to drop back into the early 20s. Heffney is probably going to be a late 1st round pick, he won't be available in the 3rd round for absolutely certain. We don't have a 3rd round pick anyway.


As of this moment, in the first two rounds I'm going:

1) DT Frank Okam
2) DT Red Bryant

Those two guys alone will make a giga-normous impact on our existing LB corps. Probably much more then drafting new LBs that will be buried in opposing OGs due to not addressing our DT problem.

I'm Definetly on board with the Okam pick in the first round. From above post i state my reasons. Or Granger from Oklahoma as my second choice in the first round if he comes out. And although i would like to see two picks addressed at the tackle position picking Okam in the first meants IMO that we have to address another position in round two other then DT.To me it really depends on if we stick with the Bates system or go back to the cover two. if we go back to bates we have to replace one of the backer positions. as Ian Gold i just dont think can get it done in that scheme. OT LB WR S are positions i wouldnt mind

There is some kid (name escapes me at the moment) that is a Big DT From Tulane that we could probably pick up in the fourth or fifth round that could eat space.

I also aggree DJ williams is reallly starting to turn it on In the middle. and after watching him play all three positions he has found his home in the middle. Besides that i hear James L from ohio state will be returning for his senior year. same with brian c from usc as well as Ray Mauluaga. which really drops the talent at linebacker this year.

[Broncosinindy]

Actually, Denver has the #11 selection - and where the two linebackers are absolutely fantastic, I am not thrilled with Hefney as a safety in the NFL. I think he'll do best in a Cover 2 scheme like the Vikings run as a corner. I'm not really a fan of this draft at all.
While we dont have a third rounder. Heffereny in the fourth would be a steal and while i wouldnt pick him in either the first or second round if he fell to us in the fourth i would be ok with it. Even if he is a better fit in the cover two

[Warhawk]

Rather than stacking first and second round picks at one position (2 DT's or 2 LB's), I really think it would make sense to fill a number of needs. Having 2 rookie DT's and Marcus Thomas in his second year isn't a great mix at a position that generally takes time to develop.

Spend the first round pick on DT (Okam works for me), then pick up a reliable DT in free agency. Take a LB in round 2 (I like Wheeler here) and perhaps acquire a veteran as well depending on how things play out in the second half of the season.

The only thing I don't like about this is that S is an issue that is only going to get worse. If somehow Kenny Phillips falls to us and there's already been a run on DT (which I think is possible considering the teams likely to pick ahead of us) we'd be foolish to pass on him.

[Broncosinindy]

Rather than stacking first and second round picks at one position (2 DT's or 2 LB's), I really think it would make sense to fill a number of needs. Having 2 rookie DT's and Marcus Thomas in his second year isn't a great mix at a position that generally takes time to develop.

Spend the first round pick on DT (Okam works for me), then pick up a reliable DT in free agency. Take a LB in round 2 (I like Wheeler here) and perhaps acquire a veteran as well depending on how things play out in the second half of the season.

The only thing I don't like about this is that S is an issue that is only going to get worse. If somehow Kenny Phillips falls to us and there's already been a run on DT (which I think is possible considering the teams likely to pick ahead of us) we'd be foolish to pass on him.
I Tottally aggree. the only thing i dont think will happen. if denver keeps up the losing streak and we are top 10 or 11 i do not think all the top DT will be gone before we pick. and although i really think DT is a bigger need if by chance they all do go before we pick i would definetly be ok with that pick

[D.J.55]

Ezra butler has not produced great in college and looks mediocre at this point. Now if you were to throw the other linebacker in there bell from Nevada then you got a deal

Frank Okam has almost a better year by pure numbers then sedrick ellis and doresy. having almost the same numbers i think his falling is unwarranted and youll see him come the combine have his value shot right back up if he has a good combine hell go top ten.

Butler has great upside. he's big, powerful, fast, and a solid tackler. whats there not to like bout this guy? the reason you dont hear his name much is because this LB class is deep. Also there is no other LB from Neveda named Bell. i think you mean Beau Bell? he's from UNLV.

Okam and Dorsey stats might look the same but Okam does not have the same impact the Dorsey does on games. Teams dont game plan for Okam but they do for Dorsey. And to me Okam is LAZY. way to inconsistant. he's this years Alan Branch but he'll fall to the 3rd. I cant even see how you could even compare Okam to Dorsey ( but thats your opinion and i respect that). Im not saying Okam is good, im saying he is no where as good as he could be if he played with more consistancy.

[#28]

If James Laurinitis declares...we've just gotta get him. We need a hero linebacker BAD and he is the future of his position.

I say we trade Bly, Graham, and the 2nd round pick next year to secure James Laurinitis.

[Broncosinindy]

Butler has great upside. he's big, powerful, fast, and a solid tackler. whats there not to like bout this guy? the reason you dont hear his name much is because this LB class is deep. Also there is no other LB from Neveda named Bell. i think you mean Beau Bell? he's from UNLV.

Okam and Dorsey stats might look the same but Okam does not have the same impact the Dorsey does on games. Teams dont game plan for Okam but they do for Dorsey. And to me Okam is LAZY. way to inconsistant. he's this years Alan Branch but he'll fall to the 3rd. I cant even see how you could even compare Okam to Dorsey ( but thats your opinion and i respect that). Im not saying Okam is good, im saying he is no where as good as he could be if he played with more consistancy.

I hear you on butler. But his stats just dont back up his numbers we see it all the time, guy with great numbers flops at the next leval. We wont know at this point but count me a bigger fan of Bell from UNLV(lol i always get those two mixed up.)

I have watched alot of texas games, and i just dont see where you can call him lazy. His stats say otherwise. I hear alot about him being lazy can you back up this? I will aggree with consistancy, which WAY differant then being lazy Consistancy can be coached

I dont see how you really can compare him to Branch from last year other then they are both DT. Branch's problem stemmed mostly from his Injury questions(fractured shins if i remember right) that is what dropped him. which he dropped to the first pick in the second round. At the time the shins came up there was some talk that i thought was unwarranted to him being lazy. which is laughable did you even watch Michigan the last year he was a beast.


I'm not trying to be rude i am just curious with your line of reasoning.

[MindField]

I don't like this draft at all.


First, Connor isn't as good as Posluszny, and he went in the early 2nd round. Second, Connor is an OLB, and they rarely go in the Top 20 unless they are college DE's being switched to a 3-4.

I personally think there will be much better value then a LB that early in the 1st round. If Laurinaitis is there, sure maybe, but even then, I don't think we want to move DJ Williams from MIKE. He's playing pretty well now.


AND...my main issue is this....you can draft as many Ray Lewis's as you want, but if you dont have any Haloti Ngata's at DT clogging away, your Ray Lewis's are going to suck. That's just the way it is.

AND...it is almost impossible to get quality DTs in Free Agency, you basically have to get them in the draft...and the good ones almost always are drafted in the first round. It's a historical fact.

MEANWHILE....it's relatively easy to get good-great LBs in Free Agency, and very easy to get solid LBs in the middle rounds of the draft. If there is an elite talent, sure, you grab one, but unless Laurinaitis comes out, there is not an elite LB in this draft, just a bunch of good ones. And none I'd reach on with a Top 15 draft choice.



Truly, it a philosophical debate. Your LB selections aren't poor selections. I just can't fathom how Highsmith, whom is the size of Ian Gold, would fare any better in our defense with 330lb OGs blocking him every play. Connor is fine, but not with a Top 15 pick. If we want him, we need to drop back into the early 20s. Heffney is probably going to be a late 1st round pick, he won't be available in the 3rd round for absolutely certain. We don't have a 3rd round pick anyway.


As of this moment, in the first two rounds I'm going:

1) DT Frank Okam
2) DT Red Bryant

Those two guys alone will make a giga-normous impact on our existing LB corps. Probably much more then drafting new LBs that will be buried in opposing OGs due to not addressing our DT problem.

We have a number of positions of need, and not enough picks to fill 'em all....that's why we have to be strategic in Free Agency, and target some players we can get that can help us, which is why I advocate going after Lance Briggs and Michael Turner, rather than having to draft those positions.

As for the DT's, you are right, but it does no good to reach for DT's that aren't first round material, which is the case with Okam and Bryant.

We could most likely get one of thre two in the second round, but in the first, we have to get a player, no mater what, regardless of the positons, that can make an impact.

Right now, at #11, I would be leaning to Miami Safety Kenny Phillips.

Whowever, we take, we have to get a Pro Bowl calibur player, and Phillips has a chance to be that.

There are also some very good LT's available, and Lepsis is nearing the end. The O-Line has been neglected for a long time. It's time to spend some picks on real talent, and not castoff sixth or seventh rounders.

We need to get back to dominating the LOS Offensively.

[stnzed]

If James Laurinitis declares...we've just gotta get him. We need a hero linebacker BAD and he is the future of his position.

I say we trade Bly, Graham, and the 2nd round pick next year to secure James Laurinitis.


You should try that out on Madden08 first and let us know how it turns out....

[Broncosinindy]

We have a number of positions of need, and not enough picks to fill 'em all....that's why we have to be strategic in Free Agency, and target some players we can get that can help us, which is why I advocate going after Lance Briggs and Michael Turner, rather than having to draft those positions.

As for the DT's, you are right, but it does no good to reach for DT's that aren't first round material, which is the case with Okam and Bryant.

We could most likely get one of thre two in the second round, but in the first, we have to get a player, no mater what, regardless of the positons, that can make an impact.

Right now, at #11, I would be leaning to Miami Safety Kenny Phillips.


Can you give me anything that woudl lead you to beleive that Okam would not be good in denver because i just aint seeing it

Whowever, we take, we have to get a Pro Bowl calibur player, and Phillips has a chance to be that.

There are also some very good LT's available, and Lepsis is nearing the end. The O-Line has been neglected for a long time. It's time to spend some picks on real talent, and not castoff sixth or seventh rounders.

We need to get back to dominating the LOS Offensively.


Please would someone please back up there reasoning on Okam.

For being a run stuff defender he is playing lights out. If you know anything about Run Stuffers then you know there job is to take on lineman and win the matchups so the backer can make the play. Look at stats of Ngata and Henderson and you will see what i mean and what they mean to there team and more importantly to there linebackers

Games : 10
Solo Tackles : 21
Assisted Tackles : 20
Total Tackles : 41 (11th on the team in total tackles)
Tackles for Loss-Yardage : 8-50 (2nd on team in tackles for loss, 2nd on team for yardage lost)
Sacks-Yardage : 4.5-46 (In sacks he leads the team, and is second in yardage lost)
Pass Breakups : 4 (4th on team in pass breakups)
Quarterback Hurries : 13 (2nd on team in quarterback hurries)
Fumbe Recoveries-Yardage : 1-7
Forced Fumbles : 1

4.5 sacks for a run stuffing DT is great production. Here are some of the other prospects numbers so far

Frank Okam
34 tackles - 8 TFL for 50 yards - 4.5 sacks - 4 PBUs - 13 QBH - 1 FR - 1 FF

Sedrick Ellis
39 tackles - 9 TFL for 54 yards - 6.5 sacks - 5 PBUs - 1 QBH - 1 FR

Glenn Dorsey
39 tackles - 6.5 TFL for 32 - 4 sacks - 6 PBUs - 3 QBH


Those stats are of a couple weeks ago

you also have to factor in who they play with Dorsey plays with probably one of the best Defensive tackles in the land in Al woods. and Sedrick Ellis has suposedly the best Defense in the land.


Sure he is inconsistant but it is hard to argue his production. He plays a little high (which is coachable) if he can be more consistant the sky is the limit for him He is a mammoth yet agile enough to shoot the gap and stick the QB on his head.

He is a NT his primary job is to stop the run which last time i heard was a big need in denver. While Ellis and Dorsey are UT and would not be as effective in this scheme due to there primary jobs being pentraters. Oh did i mention Okam has .5 more sacks then Dorsey?

And dont even get me started on Phillips. OVERRATED 1 int and hardly no game changeing plays. Stick phillips in this Defense and we are still bad agaisnt the run and still get burned through the air. we have the best CB duo in the leauge and are getting killed beccasue we have to stick a safety in the box..

[kona bronco]

We have a number of positions of need, and not enough picks to fill 'em all....that's why we have to be strategic in Free Agency, and target some players we can get that can help us, which is why I advocate going after Lance Briggs and Michael Turner, rather than having to draft those positions.

As for the DT's, you are right, but it does no good to reach for DT's that aren't first round material, which is the case with Okam and Bryant.

We could most likely get one of thre two in the second round, but in the first, we have to get a player, no mater what, regardless of the positons, that can make an impact.

Right now, at #11, I would be leaning to Miami Safety Kenny Phillips.

Whowever, we take, we have to get a Pro Bowl calibur player, and Phillips has a chance to be that.

There are also some very good LT's available, and Lepsis is nearing the end. The O-Line has been neglected for a long time. It's time to spend some picks on real talent, and not castoff sixth or seventh rounders.

We need to get back to dominating the LOS Offensively.

Now dont get me wrong i'd love to beef up the D-line but pass dorsey i dont see waisting a 1st rounder. It would be like having multiple christmas to get kenny phillips but dont see it happening.

Bates system only require the DT to take up space, requiring the DE to create pressure. If the DE can create the pressure our CB will be intercepting Manning and Brady's passes leaving our line backers to do there jobs which is to hit the gaps on runs and by god cover a TE in the near future.

With dorsey and phillips gone(before our #12 pick), connors is the best linebacker that is comming out (that we know of at least). Having him and williams being able to play both in and out will make bates system easier and will confuse other offense.

[Broncosinindy]

Now dont get me wrong i'd love to beef up the D-line but pass dorsey i dont see waisting a 1st rounder. It would be like having multiple christmas to get kenny phillips but dont see it happening.

Bates system only require the DT to take up space, requiring the DE to create pressure. If the DE can create the pressure our CB will be intercepting Manning and Brady's passes leaving our line backers to do there jobs which is to hit the gaps on runs and by god cover a TE in the near future.

With dorsey and phillips gone(before our #12 pick), connors is the best linebacker that is comming out (that we know of at least). Having him and williams being able to play both in and out will make bates system easier and will confuse other offense.

Why does denver throw Marcus Thomas and Tim Croder at tackle on third down? We have a severe problem because our Ends are pushing the QB up in the pocket we just cant get our defensive tackle to fight off blocks and get to him. and we wont even get on the problems wiht our run defense.

Linebacker is a need but. i dont think its a bigger need then DT. Also i Dont aggree that connors is the best Linebacker coming out. he is good but i think larunitius is better and maybe even Rivers.

i dont know if you are talking about moving Williams back outside but i think it would be best if we left Williams at one position which i think he is really starting to come into his own at that position.

[kona bronco]

Why does denver throw Marcus Thomas and Tim Croder at tackle on third down? We have a severe problem because our Ends are pushing the QB up in the pocket we just cant get our defensive tackle to fight off blocks and get to him. and we wont even get on the problems wiht our run defense.

Linebacker is a need but. i dont think its a bigger need then DT. Also i Dont aggree that connors is the best Linebacker coming out. he is good but i think larunitius is better and maybe even Rivers.

i dont know if you are talking about moving Williams back outside but i think it would be best if we left Williams at one position which i think he is really starting to come into his own at that position.

I can see what your trying to say i think but Thomas is a DT as for Crowder I personally think adams,Mckinley are old and pass there prime and right now bates is willing to try anything once to see if it will work

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Please would someone please back up there reasoning on Okam.

For being a run stuff defender he is playing lights out. If you know anything about Run Stuffers then you know there job is to take on lineman and win the matchups so the backer can make the play. Look at stats of Ngata and Henderson and you will see what i mean and what they mean to there team and more importantly to there linebackers

Games : 10
Solo Tackles : 21
Assisted Tackles : 20
Total Tackles : 41 (11th on the team in total tackles)
Tackles for Loss-Yardage : 8-50 (2nd on team in tackles for loss, 2nd on team for yardage lost)
Sacks-Yardage : 4.5-46 (In sacks he leads the team, and is second in yardage lost)
Pass Breakups : 4 (4th on team in pass breakups)
Quarterback Hurries : 13 (2nd on team in quarterback hurries)
Fumbe Recoveries-Yardage : 1-7
Forced Fumbles : 1

4.5 sacks for a run stuffing DT is great production. Here are some of the other prospects numbers so far

Frank Okam
34 tackles - 8 TFL for 50 yards - 4.5 sacks - 4 PBUs - 13 QBH - 1 FR - 1 FF

Sedrick Ellis
39 tackles - 9 TFL for 54 yards - 6.5 sacks - 5 PBUs - 1 QBH - 1 FR

Glenn Dorsey
39 tackles - 6.5 TFL for 32 - 4 sacks - 6 PBUs - 3 QBH


Those stats are of a couple weeks ago

you also have to factor in who they play with Dorsey plays with probably one of the best Defensive tackles in the land in Al woods. and Sedrick Ellis has suposedly the best Defense in the land.


Sure he is inconsistant but it is hard to argue his production. He plays a little high (which is coachable) if he can be more consistant the sky is the limit for him He is a mammoth yet agile enough to shoot the gap and stick the QB on his head.

He is a NT his primary job is to stop the run which last time i heard was a big need in denver. While Ellis and Dorsey are UT and would not be as effective in this scheme due to there primary jobs being pentraters. Oh did i mention Okam has .5 more sacks then Dorsey?

And dont even get me started on Phillips. OVERRATED 1 int and hardly no game changeing plays. Stick phillips in this Defense and we are still bad agaisnt the run and still get burned through the air. we have the best CB duo in the leauge and are getting killed beccasue we have to stick a safety in the box..


Ahh, you are trying to be reasonable and actually base your opinion on stats and actual game play. You're not allowed to do that on this board.

Ignore most of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but Okam is not lazy, he's not inconsistent, and he's one of the most physically dominating players in the nation.

Nobody, anywhere, says anything but positive things about his leadership, intelliigence, and play style. But on this board....he's suddenly lazy and dropping in the draft....lolz.

There's entirely too much emphasis on what Mel Kiper Jr. says at this time of the year. Kiper is an idiot and his projections only become quality probably a few weeks before the draft. At this point in time, he's trying to just point out as many prospects as he can, so he changes his Top 25 every other week. There's no doubt in my mind that Okam is one of the best DTs in the nation. And certainly the best NT in the nation.


And the 2nd best NT? That's Red Bryant who likely will still be available in the Top of the 2nd, barring an outstanding Combine. I think we need both. Rookie NTs tend to do well in the NFL really quickly. It's the finesse/penetrating DTs that usually struggle the first few years as they learn technique.

[Broncosinindy]

Ahh, you are trying to be reasonable and actually base your opinion on stats and actual game play. You're not allowed to do that on this board.

Ignore most of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but Okam is not lazy, he's not inconsistent, and he's one of the most physically dominating players in the nation.

Nobody, anywhere, says anything but positive things about his leadership, intelliigence, and play style. But on this board....he's suddenly lazy and dropping in the draft....lolz.

There's entirely too much emphasis on what Mel Kiper Jr. says at this time of the year. Kiper is an idiot and his projections only become quality probably a few weeks before the draft. At this point in time, he's trying to just point out as many prospects as he can, so he changes his Top 25 every other week. There's no doubt in my mind that Okam is one of the best DTs in the nation. And certainly the best NT in the nation.


And the 2nd best NT? That's Red Bryant who likely will still be available in the Top of the 2nd, barring an outstanding Combine. I think we need both. Rookie NTs tend to do well in the NFL really quickly. It's the finesse/penetrating DTs that usually struggle the first few years as they learn technique.
I dont know much about Bryant i know he gets alot of pub. and is supposed to be pretty good. i havent seen much of him.

It happens every year people snowball on a player. on there way up or on there way down. What bugs me si that people read what one person says and it is automatic. with out watching a game for themselves.

what are your thoughts on Al Woods and Demarcus Granger

[elevation INC]

I dont know much about Bryant i know he gets alot of pub. and is supposed to be pretty good. i havent seen much of him.

It happens every year people snowball on a player. on there way up or on there way down. What bugs me si that people read what one person says and it is automatic. with out watching a game for themselves.

what are your thoughts on Al Woods and Demarcus Granger



i like granger he could have a serious upside in the NFL

[LarryDean]

"what are your thoughts on Al Woods and Demarcus Granger? "

I like Al Woods but I dont know if he is coming out early. /shrug

I think every report I have ever read about him includes the word monster.

Im not a huge fan of Steltz but anything else about that LSU defense I can really buy into.

Ask me again after this game Nov 23 - vs. Arkansas, 2:30 PM.

DeMarcus Granger

I like him as well I dont think he will be drafted in the 1st like alot of boards suggest so I really like him as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[D.J.55]

I hear you on butler. But his stats just dont back up his numbers we see it all the time, guy with great numbers flops at the next leval. We wont know at this point but count me a bigger fan of Bell from UNLV(lol i always get those two mixed up.)

I have watched alot of texas games, and i just dont see where you can call him lazy. His stats say otherwise. I hear alot about him being lazy can you back up this? I will aggree with consistancy, which WAY differant then being lazy Consistancy can be coached

I dont see how you really can compare him to Branch from last year other then they are both DT. Branch's problem stemmed mostly from his Injury questions(fractured shins if i remember right) that is what dropped him. which he dropped to the first pick in the second round. At the time the shins came up there was some talk that i thought was unwarranted to him being lazy. which is laughable did you even watch Michigan the last year he was a beast.


I'm not trying to be rude i am just curious with your line of reasoning.


im a huge fan of Bell. I think is exactly what we need in our LB core.

As far as Okam remember back to the 2006 NFL Draft when Rodrique Wright came out. he was from the same college, had great upside, was labeled as a 2nd round pick. but people questioned his desire. said he was lazy. he fell from being a 2rd pick to become a 7th round pick with Miami where he just now is get into the mix of things.

i look at Okam as the same as Wright. great upside, one of the more gifted athletes at his postion but i dont think he's reach the potential. i think he could be soo much better if it was all there. i just dont see it. his and Wrights numbers looks the same. i just dont see him becoming anything more than what Wright is right now. and the thing is im not the only one questioning him many scouts are as well. when i watch Texas play Okam might show up in one play but i wont see him again until the third quarter. but with Dorsey he has a game changing impact on every snap that he plays on.

Okam might prove me wrong and become a beast in the NFL but for right now i just dont see it happing.

[Max Power]

"what are your thoughts on Al Woods and Demarcus Granger? "

I like Al Woods but I dont know if he is coming out early. /shrug

I think every report I have ever read about him includes the word monster.

Im not a huge fan of Steltz but anything else about that LSU defense I can really buy into.

Ask me again after this game Nov 23 - vs. Arkansas, 2:30 PM.

DeMarcus Granger

I like him as well I dont think he will be drafted in the 1st like alot of boards suggest so I really like him as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Al Woods is a true sophomore and thus not draft eligible. Granger is a redshirt sophomore and while it's possible, it's highly unlikely he declares.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

im a huge fan of Bell. I think is exactly what we need in our LB core.

As far as Okam remember back to the 2006 NFL Draft when Rodrique Wright came out. he was from the same college, had great upside, was labeled as a 2nd round pick. but people questioned his desire. said he was lazy. he fell from being a 2rd pick to become a 7th round pick with Miami where he just now is get into the mix of things.

i look at Okam as the same as Wright. great upside, one of the more gifted athletes at his postion but i dont think he's reach the potential. i think he could be soo much better if it was all there. i just dont see it. his and Wrights numbers looks the same. i just dont see him becoming anything more than what Wright is right now. and the thing is im not the only one questioning him many scouts are as well. when i watch Texas play Okam might show up in one play but i wont see him again until the third quarter. but with Dorsey he has a game changing impact on every snap that he plays on.

Okam might prove me wrong and become a beast in the NFL but for right now i just dont see it happing.


I watched him against Oklahoma State and he singlehandedly destroyed them on defense the entire game. I think you are mistaken when you say he doesn't show up every play. He is constantly double and triple teamed, which frees up his surrounding players to make plays. That's an impact even if it doesn't show up as a stat.


As for Rodrique Wright, lets be totally fair. He dropped in the draft ONLY because he had a deabilitating shoulder injury that was going to require he sit out his entire rookie year and there were questions as to if he could recover. Taking plays off was something Wright NEVER did, he was well known for his motor. He was a penetrating guy though, Okam is more of a clogger.

[D.J.55]

I watched him against Oklahoma State and he singlehandedly destroyed them on defense the entire game. I think you are mistaken when you say he doesn't show up every play. He is constantly double and triple teamed, which frees up his surrounding players to make plays. That's an impact even if it doesn't show up as a stat.


As for Rodrique Wright, lets be totally fair. He dropped in the draft ONLY because he had a deabilitating shoulder injury that was going to require he sit out his entire rookie year and there were questions as to if he could recover. Taking plays off was something Wright NEVER did, he was well known for his motor. He was a penetrating guy though, Okam is more of a clogger.


Im not saying Okam is a bad player. I just dont want us to draft in the first round. If we get him in the second thats fine. If we get him in the third thats great, just not the first. Plus Kentwan Balmer of North Carolina and DeMario Pressley of NC State I like alot better than Okam as of right now.

Wright had all the physical attributes you want in a defensive tackle. He is big, strong, quick, and athletic. He has the ability to penetrate the line and disrupt the running game, and the closing speed to get to the quarterback. He is great at slipping through the line and getting into the backfield. But
with all the physical talent in the world, you would think Wright would dominate when he was in collede, but he didnt. He just didnt live up to what his physical ability suggests he should. He lacked the intensity to be a true difference maker. Despite his size and strength, he can be pushed around in the running game. The sky was the limit in regards to Wright's potential. He just seems to lack the attitude to want to dominate out there. If a coach can light a fire under his rear, he could be a big time playmaker on the interior line. He has displayed flashes of brilliance throughout his career, but has never developed the consistency a top prospect would have. Wright would have been a first round draft if not for his lack of aggression on the field that he showed on the field. And when I think of Okam I see a great talent but has produce way I think he should.

And you can give me all of Dorsey's stats and Okam's stats but the dont even compare. Dorsey's impact goes far beyond the field. it goes into game planning by the other team. Dorsey has been playing hurt and still makes the same impact that he had before he was hurt. I dont think Okam would play hurt the way Dorsey does. yea Okam get double teamed but not as much as Dorsey. They dont call Dorsey the best defensive player in the country for nothing.

[Dream]

The more I watch A and M play, the less I'm impressed with Bryant. He's already losing snaps, and the starting job to freshman phenom Patterson, and at this point I would not consider him on Day One. His age of 24 years old before the draft even happens makes me want to puke as well. In fact, I haven't even seen him on the field this game at all. (Against Mizzou) I wonder if he's sitting out?

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

The more I watch A and M play, the less I'm impressed with Bryant. He's already losing snaps, and the starting job to freshman phenom Patterson, and at this point I would not consider him on Day One. His age of 24 years old before the draft even happens makes me want to puke as well. In fact, I haven't even seen him on the field this game at all. (Against Mizzou) I wonder if he's sitting out?


He's been playing, #85, at NT. He comes out on most passing downs, though I've seen them drop him back into some kind of freaky zone on early downs. He's been getting double and triple teamed, and has been trivialized.

When he's in, he really clogs up the middle though. Takes up 2 lanes every time. Definitely not a flashy guy though, just a reallllly big one.

[LarryDean]

I seen this guys name being tossed around on one of the Draft threads

He was looking really good from what I seen but I had to stop watching from feeling ILL as can be from my team losing today.

DT James McClinton Kansas.

Also this makes two weeks in a row I have been real happy from what I seen from

DT Nick Hayden, Wisconsin
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
40 Time: 5.06.
Projected Round: 4-5.
Pretty much a traditional 4-3 defensive tackle who will act as depth for the team that drafts him.

[MindField]

Ahh, you are trying to be reasonable and actually base your opinion on stats and actual game play. You're not allowed to do that on this board.

Ignore most of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but Okam is not lazy, he's not inconsistent, and he's one of the most physically dominating players in the nation.

Nobody, anywhere, says anything but positive things about his leadership, intelliigence, and play style. But on this board....he's suddenly lazy and dropping in the draft....lolz.

There's entirely too much emphasis on what Mel Kiper Jr. says at this time of the year. Kiper is an idiot and his projections only become quality probably a few weeks before the draft. At this point in time, he's trying to just point out as many prospects as he can, so he changes his Top 25 every other week. There's no doubt in my mind that Okam is one of the best DTs in the nation. And certainly the best NT in the nation.


And the 2nd best NT? That's Red Bryant who likely will still be available in the Top of the 2nd, barring an outstanding Combine. I think we need both. Rookie NTs tend to do well in the NFL really quickly. It's the finesse/penetrating DTs that usually struggle the first few years as they learn technique.

Maybe it's because Okam is not being featured as a No. 1 pick right now by virtually anyone that I have read.

I guess I could be wrong, as I have not seen Texas play this year, and there is a long way to go, but right now, it's not looking like Okam will be a first round pick. that's not me making those distinctions.

But then again, I am still waiting for Mike Patterson to make his first Pro Bowl as well...

[MindField]

Please would someone please back up there reasoning on Okam.

For being a run stuff defender he is playing lights out. If you know anything about Run Stuffers then you know there job is to take on lineman and win the matchups so the backer can make the play. Look at stats of Ngata and Henderson and you will see what i mean and what they mean to there team and more importantly to there linebackers

Games : 10
Solo Tackles : 21
Assisted Tackles : 20
Total Tackles : 41 (11th on the team in total tackles)
Tackles for Loss-Yardage : 8-50 (2nd on team in tackles for loss, 2nd on team for yardage lost)
Sacks-Yardage : 4.5-46 (In sacks he leads the team, and is second in yardage lost)
Pass Breakups : 4 (4th on team in pass breakups)
Quarterback Hurries : 13 (2nd on team in quarterback hurries)
Fumbe Recoveries-Yardage : 1-7
Forced Fumbles : 1

4.5 sacks for a run stuffing DT is great production. Here are some of the other prospects numbers so far

Frank Okam
34 tackles - 8 TFL for 50 yards - 4.5 sacks - 4 PBUs - 13 QBH - 1 FR - 1 FF

Sedrick Ellis
39 tackles - 9 TFL for 54 yards - 6.5 sacks - 5 PBUs - 1 QBH - 1 FR

Glenn Dorsey
39 tackles - 6.5 TFL for 32 - 4 sacks - 6 PBUs - 3 QBH


Those stats are of a couple weeks ago

you also have to factor in who they play with Dorsey plays with probably one of the best Defensive tackles in the land in Al woods. and Sedrick Ellis has suposedly the best Defense in the land.


Sure he is inconsistant but it is hard to argue his production. He plays a little high (which is coachable) if he can be more consistant the sky is the limit for him He is a mammoth yet agile enough to shoot the gap and stick the QB on his head.

He is a NT his primary job is to stop the run which last time i heard was a big need in denver. While Ellis and Dorsey are UT and would not be as effective in this scheme due to there primary jobs being pentraters. Oh did i mention Okam has .5 more sacks then Dorsey?

And dont even get me started on Phillips. OVERRATED 1 int and hardly no game changeing plays. Stick phillips in this Defense and we are still bad agaisnt the run and still get burned through the air. we have the best CB duo in the leauge and are getting killed beccasue we have to stick a safety in the box..

Oh, so now Okam is a better prospect than Phillips??...mmmmmmmK....

We'll see how that plays out in the months ahead, and who gets selected higher, but we certainly have you on record.

[stnzed]

I don't think Al Woods can come out this year, can he? He was a 2006 recruit, meaning he can't come out til next year? :confused:

[elevation INC]

I seen this guys name being tossed around on one of the Draft threads

He was looking really good from what I seen but I had to stop watching from feeling ILL as can be from my team losing today.

DT James McClinton Kansas.

Also this makes two weeks in a row I have been real happy from what I seen from

DT Nick Hayden, Wisconsin
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
40 Time: 5.06.
Projected Round: 4-5.
Pretty much a traditional 4-3 defensive tackle who will act as depth for the team that drafts him.



i have been throwing mcclinton's name around a lot but because most people dont know who he is, they just trash wahtever is said about him, he pplays for kansas and since nobody really follows kansas they are more concerned with ellis, okam, dorsey, etc.

this guy is for real and we really should pick him up!

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Maybe it's because Okam is not being featured as a No. 1 pick right now by virtually anyone that I have read.

I guess I could be wrong, as I have not seen Texas play this year, and there is a long way to go, but right now, it's not looking like Okam will be a first round pick. that's not me making those distinctions.

But then again, I am still waiting for Mike Patterson to make his first Pro Bowl as well...


You mean the Mike Patterson that is the #1 DT in the entire NFL in terms of tackles? Or the Mike Patterson that is viewed as the Eagles most important defensive player? :goofy:


I really can't believe you made a "dig" at me and used Mike Patterson.


As for Okam, I don't care if people have opposing opinions. I don't think they are warranted, and I'm trained to see both sides of every debate, so I do make an attempt to see the negatives. I just don't see many at this time. Maybe if he runs a 6.00 at the Combine and cant bench 225 once, otherwise I can't see him falling out of the Top 20 picks in the draft.

[SmokeBassett]

i have been throwing mcclinton's name around a lot but because most people dont know who he is, they just trash wahtever is said about him, he pplays for kansas and since nobody really follows kansas they are more concerned with ellis, okam, dorsey, etc.

this guy is for real and we really should pick him up!

I've been throwing his name around, too. I've followed Kansas all season long (and last season as well). McClinton plays very well against the run and the pass from his Nose Tackle-type position on a 4-3 defense. Often bursts through double-teams up the middle and gets to the quarterback. He is tough against the run as well.

How many draft picks does Denver get in next year's draft and what rounds do they come in? I heard Denver has 9 picks?

Mine would be, guessing who will be available at the time:

1. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College. Big, skillful pass blocker. Would be nice on the right side of the line until Lepsis retires, then would assume the LT position.

2. Quintin Demps, S, UTEP. Athletic free safety who is one of the nation's top interceptors and punt returners.

3. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Va. Tech. Incredibly fast, playmaking outside linebacker. I like him mainly because I think the Broncs should switch to the 3-4. He could cover the TEs in the AFC West and cut off LT on his endzone end-runs. In a 4-3 he would a good heir to Ian Gold's throne.

4. James McCLinton, DT, Kansas. Enough said.

5. Brandon McAnderson, RB, Kansas. True fullback who can run block, pass block, and run the ball with power and speed, while keeping both hands on it.

6. Eric Wicks, S, West Virginia. Strong safety type who is an aggressive playmaker and tackler.

7. Eric Barton, OG, Ohio State. Big experienced guard who, along with Cherilus, could give the Broncos a power running game and pass blocking on the right side.

8. Marcus Henry, WR, Kansas. Tall (6'4"), reliable receiver who can execute most routes well, block and catch anything. Would most likely still be available in the 7th round.

9. Matt Forte, TB, Tulane, 6'1", 224-lb running back who leads all rushers in the nation in yards and yards per game, has a 6.1 yard-per-carry average and 17 TDs... OR a mobile quarterback with an accurate arm, of which there will be a few.

[elevation INC]

I've been throwing his name around, too. I've followed Kansas all season long (and last season as well). McClinton plays very well against the run and the pass from his Nose Tackle-type position on a 4-3 defense. Often bursts through double-teams up the middle and gets to the quarterback. He is tough against the run as well.

How many draft picks does Denver get in next year's draft and what rounds do they come in? I heard Denver has 9 picks?

Mine would be, guessing who will be available at the time:

1. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College. Big, skillful pass blocker. Would be nice on the right side of the line until Lepsis retires, then would assume the LT position.

2. Quintin Demps, S, UTEP. Athletic free safety who is one of the nation's top interceptors and punt returners.

3. Xavier Adibi, OLB, Va. Tech. Incredibly fast, playmaking outside linebacker. I like him mainly because I think the Broncs should switch to the 3-4. He could cover the TEs in the AFC West and cut off LT on his endzone end-runs. In a 4-3 he would a good heir to Ian Gold's throne.

4. James McCLinton, DT, Kansas. Enough said.

5. Brandon McAnderson, RB, Kansas. True fullback who can run block, pass block, and run the ball with power and speed, while keeping both hands on it.

6. Eric Wicks, S, West Virginia. Strong safety type who is an aggressive playmaker and tackler.

7. Eric Barton, OG, Ohio State. Big experienced guard who, along with Cherilus, could give the Broncos a power running game and pass blocking on the right side.

8. Marcus Henry, WR, Kansas. Tall (6'4"), reliable receiver who can execute most routes well, block and catch anything. Would most likely still be available in the 7th round.

9. Matt Forte, TB, Tulane, 6'1", 224-lb running back who leads all rushers in the nation in yards and yards per game, has a 6.1 yard-per-carry average and 17 TDs... OR a mobile quarterback with an accurate arm, of which there will be a few.




some of your picks are interesting...but be prepared when other people see this post they will tear it up because they havent heard of some of these people. i dont like the fact you spend 2 picks on rb, i like the full back choice though! also wh ywaste a pick on another qb?

[Broncosinindy]

Oh, so now Okam is a better prospect than Phillips??...mmmmmmmK....

We'll see how that plays out in the months ahead, and who gets selected higher, but we certainly have you on record.

We Cannont deny his measureables, but what we can deny is that his production is not there.

The guy needs another year to season, but since he is the top rated safety coming into this year. Hell come out Which i think will be a big mistake.

I feel that coming into this year he was supposed to be another freak coming out of miami. Which i feal if he was drafted last year he doesnt go atleast until the second round

I NEVER NOT ONCE said that okam would go higher. You either are not comprehending what i am posting or ignoreing it. Dont put words where they were not written.

As far as compareing prospects, when you compare a run stuffing DT to a safety sure the safety is probably gonna have better numbers. because i dont think you can put a stat on how important a good stout run defender that can occasionally slip through and get to the QB to a safety.

So please write what i SAID down take a picture do what you have to. Because i will back what i said up.

Offnote.

Sorry guys i know Al Woods and Granger are sophmores i was just curious on your oppionons of them

Smoke basket. Afer todays game i am definetly down in WHATEVER round we have to, to get some Offensive lineman. I am hopeing we can get a Good defensive tackle late. or go after one in a later round if we dont pick OKAM

JMO but i would switch your 2 and 3 picks around and at this point i would say forte is going to go atleast by the fifth. Pretty good stuff overall except all that jawhawk stuff lol jK

Mindfield i just read that you havent even seen Okam play. you are reading stuff off the internet...Shakes head i think we found the problem


DJ 55 I wont add much on rodrique wright as i feel MUG said it best. but one thing that wasnt mentioned is the fact that RW was thought in some circles that he didnt even wanna play football anymore.

While stats are not the whole story especially with D-lineman you have to compare what they do have on paper. and also take into account who plays around them. Al woods plays next to dorsey and it is said that he might be a better prospect then Ngata. And by no means am i gonna bag on Dorsey i think he is Excellant at what he does. Two problems though 1. We will not even be drafting anywhere near where dorsey will be selected. and 2 We need a RUN PLUGGER. Frank OKam is better at plugging the run then dorsey. and is quite compareable to dorsey in getting after the QB

[MindField]

You mean the Mike Patterson that is the #1 DT in the entire NFL in terms of tackles? Or the Mike Patterson that is viewed as the Eagles most important defensive player? :goofy:


I really can't believe you made a "dig" at me and used Mike Patterson.


As for Okam, I don't care if people have opposing opinions. I don't think they are warranted, and I'm trained to see both sides of every debate, so I do make an attempt to see the negatives. I just don't see many at this time. Maybe if he runs a 6.00 at the Combine and cant bench 225 once, otherwise I can't see him falling out of the Top 20 picks in the draft.

Oh, MUG, we take 'digs' at each other all the time...

As for Patterson, he is hardly a great player, not even the best D-Lineman (that would be Trent Cole, BTW) on a bad Defense.

Amazing how different people can look at different players, and come up with
different evaluations. I did not say he was terrible, but he is not as difference maker as a starting DT in this League....at least not yet.

[Broncosinindy]

Oh, MUG, we take 'digs' at each other all the time...

As for Patterson, he is hardly a great player, not even the best D-Lineman (that would be Trent Cole, BTW) on a bad Defense.

Amazing how different people can look at different players, and come up with
different evaluations. I did not say he was terrible, but he is not as difference maker as a starting DT in this League....at least not yet.

Tell me about it.

[BroncosTX77]

:smug:

Been reading lotta Okam threads where folks states he is lazy and inconsistent and the likings. Found this article, I thought you would get a kick out of this since I believe this might be the source of the Okam analysis ;)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11776&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11776

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

:smug:

Been reading lotta Okam threads where folks states he is lazy and inconsistent and the likings. Found this article, I thought you would get a kick out of this since I believe this might be the source of the Okam analysis ;)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11776&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11776


Scouts Inc....figures...


That appears to be written before this season, where they say he has to step up to be a Top 10 pick. This year, he's having an insane year, doubling to this point almost all of his stats the past year, when he was considered one of the most talented players in the nation. And this year, teams are game planning him. And it's not working at all.


This is the problem though, some idiot at ESPN makes an obvious opinion statement, and the readers run with it as fact, while all the evidence in the world shows it's not true. Heck, I don't even think it was true a year ago, if ever. The guy is the real deal and he's smart as hell. It's not like he's a dumb, fat guy that doesn't understand the position or its' demands. And, unlike other players, he's been getting better every year.

Alan Branch had a terrible senior year coming off a great junior year. Okam is having a stellar senior year coming off a great junior year. Okam is also highly intelligent, which i put a lot of stock into.

[kona bronco]

please with bailey and bly in the secondary its as solid as you can get the only improvment would be getting kenny phillips in the draft to replace lynch. and a guy by the name of ray malulaga will be the best in the draft then connors then laurinitis...but bly alone is too costly.



If James Laurinitis declares...we've just gotta get him. We need a hero linebacker BAD and he is the future of his position.

I say we trade Bly, Graham, and the 2nd round pick next year to secure James Laurinitis.

[kona bronco]

i do aggree but what do you think of demarrio pressley dt from NC. i really think we could get him for a steal in the 4th round and would be a great complement to thomas.
Ahh, you are trying to be reasonable and actually base your opinion on stats and actual game play. You're not allowed to do that on this board.

Ignore most of the posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but Okam is not lazy, he's not inconsistent, and he's one of the most physically dominating players in the nation.

Nobody, anywhere, says anything but positive things about his leadership, intelliigence, and play style. But on this board....he's suddenly lazy and dropping in the draft....lolz.

There's entirely too much emphasis on what Mel Kiper Jr. says at this time of the year. Kiper is an idiot and his projections only become quality probably a few weeks before the draft. At this point in time, he's trying to just point out as many prospects as he can, so he changes his Top 25 every other week. There's no doubt in my mind that Okam is one of the best DTs in the nation. And certainly the best NT in the nation.


And the 2nd best NT? That's Red Bryant who likely will still be available in the Top of the 2nd, barring an outstanding Combine. I think we need both. Rookie NTs tend to do well in the NFL really quickly. It's the finesse/penetrating DTs that usually struggle the first few years as they learn technique.