Possible DT - Andrew Bain

[Broncosinindy]

It is said that he is switching over from Gaurd to DT and is in his senior year. I am not advocating that we draft him. I personally think hell go undrafted But i think he has great size and is said to be a great run blocker and of course i know he would be a project. I know there is technique involved But i think it would be a pretty wise decision to be in a project like him.

We are looking for space eaters and the guy has it written across his forehead. Massive offensive lineman his size is very common so what does everythink of bringing in a project like this? especially with the lack of beef in this years draft. i figure if a guy can switch sports and be successful it is something to look into

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=253198

[Max Power]

Well, I hope Denver doesn't take him or another project in hopes that he will complete our D-line, but it would be worth a shot. I would bet anything though that DT will be treated as the high-priority that it is. Frank Okam seems like the perfect fit for what Bates wants. He would also complete our "Gatorhorn" D-line. I advocate using the 1st-round pick on him, because I think he is that good, but getting him in the 2nd would be a dream come true.

[Broncosinindy]

Well, I hope Denver doesn't take him or another project in hopes that he will complete our D-line, but it would be worth a shot. I would bet anything though that DT will be treated as the high-priority that it is. Frank Okam seems like the perfect fit for what Bates wants. He would also complete our "Gatorhorn" D-line. I advocate using the 1st-round pick on him, because I think he is that good, but getting him in the 2nd would be a dream come true.

Yeah i am a big Frank Okam fan. as the season has progressed i am down with either a OFfensive Lineman or a defensive lineman and as much as i would rather have a D lineman it is way more important that we dont kill jay cutler. look at what it has done to the likes of joey harrington and david carr. as examples

[Orange_Pride]

I think we should take him.

[KWHIT97]

I personally think Okam is a little overrated, he dissapears at times and comes off as lazy alot of the time, I also really think Bates won't be around next year unless something drastically changes the remainder of this year, I like the idea of going after a Free Agent like Albert Haynesworth or Randy Starks to name a few, I think in the draft no matter where we pick we go linebacker or safety and maybe take a chance on a project like Bain late, but unless Glenn Dorsey is available there is no way I take DT early!!!

[BroncosTX77]

I personally think Okam is a little overrated, he dissapears at times and comes off as lazy alot of the time, I also really think Bates won't be around next year unless something drastically changes the remainder of this year, I like the idea of going after a Free Agent like Albert Haynesworth or Randy Starks to name a few, I think in the draft no matter where we pick we go linebacker or safety and maybe take a chance on a project like Bain late, but unless Glenn Dorsey is available there is no way I take DT early!!!

You are correct. There are better Bates DT prospects later in the draft if Denver can't get Dorsey.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

I personally think Okam is a little overrated, he dissapears at times and comes off as lazy alot of the time, I also really think Bates won't be around next year unless something drastically changes the remainder of this year, I like the idea of going after a Free Agent like Albert Haynesworth or Randy Starks to name a few, I think in the draft no matter where we pick we go linebacker or safety and maybe take a chance on a project like Bain late, but unless Glenn Dorsey is available there is no way I take DT early!!!


Do you have a link or any other type of evidence showing that a college scout or some form of media is stating that Frank Okam is lazy?

I've watched a few Texas games now and the last thing I would say is that Okam is lazy or takes plays off. I've also never seen a publication doing anything other then praising Okam as a dominant force.


The only negative on Okam is that he's extremely intelligent and he's considering a career in law, specifically continuing his education instead of playing football. However, whichever route he chooses, he'll give it 100%, so if he enters the draft with the intent to play football, I don't think its a risk. And that's the direction he's leaning from everything I've heard.

[gyldenlove]

I think getting Okam would be good, he hasn't been as good this year as anticipated by many, but it still a very solid DT with good skills and tons of experience against top opposition. He should also work well with Crowder which would be an added bonus.

[Broncosinindy]

Do you have a link or any other type of evidence showing that a college scout or some form of media is stating that Frank Okam is lazy?

I've watched a few Texas games now and the last thing I would say is that Okam is lazy or takes plays off. I've also never seen a publication doing anything other then praising Okam as a dominant force.


The only negative on Okam is that he's extremely intelligent and he's considering a career in law, specifically continuing his education instead of playing football. However, whichever route he chooses, he'll give it 100%, so if he enters the draft with the intent to play football, I don't think its a risk. And that's the direction he's leaning from everything I've heard.
LOL i was gonna respound to that as well. But i figured i had a better chance of convinving a wall to get out of my way. So i figured since stats couldnt prove it. and that people didnt understand the differances in technique. between glen dorsey and frank okam. i decided to let people beleive what they want.

[BroncosTX77]

Do you have a link or any other type of evidence showing that a college scout or some form of media is stating that Frank Okam is lazy?

I've watched a few Texas games now and the last thing I would say is that Okam is lazy or takes plays off. I've also never seen a publication doing anything other then praising Okam as a dominant force.


The only negative on Okam is that he's extremely intelligent and he's considering a career in law, specifically continuing his education instead of playing football. However, whichever route he chooses, he'll give it 100%, so if he enters the draft with the intent to play football, I don't think its a risk. And that's the direction he's leaning from everything I've heard.

I know I posted in other thread, but Ill post here so everyone can see.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...r%3fid%3d11776

:P

[LarryDean]

Humpbobby draftboard @ DT.
1)Glenn Dorsey, LSU 1st
2)Sedrick Ellis, USC Late 1st
3)Frank Okam, Texas 2nd
4)Red Bryant, Texas A&M.2nd

I have not seen DT Kentwan Blamer although I see his stock is climbing.


I like Nick Hayden, Wisconsin as a 4th or 5th round pick if the Broncos have not already drafted a DT.
And also Jame McClinton

[BroncosTX77]

Humpbobby draftboard @ DT.
1)Glenn Dorsey, LSU 1st
2)Sedrick Ellis, USC Late 1st
3)Frank Okam, Texas 2nd
4)Red Bryant, Texas A&M.2nd

I have not seen DT Kentwan Blamer although I see his stock is climbing.


I like Nick Hayden, Wisconsin as a 4th or 5th round pick if the Broncos have not already drafted a DT.
And also Jame McClinton


Outside of the top 4 other DT to keep an eye on.......

Dre Moore DT Maryland 6'4" 311 - late bloomer, tremendous upside rising up many boards.

Kentwan Balmer DT UNC- 6'5" 298, non-stop motor, leads all interior linemen in tackles in the ACC.

B.J. Raji DT B.C. - 6'1" 325, Beast, very strong, commands double teams. Redshirted this year, due to academic ineligibility but may still forgo his Sr. year.

Nick Hayden - Wisconsin 6'5" 301, Great run stuffer. Plays with great leverage does very well against bigger OL. Has some pass rush ability but generally looks to play the run first.

[elevation INC]

[QUOTE=Mat'hir Uth Gan;2005498]

The only negative on Okam is that he's extremely intelligent and he's considering a career in law,




he should stick to being a lawyer then because he wont make the denver squad, he is inconsistent and has not performed this year if you want i will give u a list of 5 other DT's we should take ahead of Okam, who have the stats, and the knowledge to play our scheme and play it very well. and they will be around in the 3rd or 4th for sure!



how is being intelligent a negative thing

[elevation INC]

Outside of the top 4 other DT to keep an eye on.......

Dre Moore DT Maryland 6'4" 311 - late bloomer, tremendous upside rising up many boards.

Kentwan Balmer DT UNC- 6'5" 298, non-stop motor, leads all interior linemen in tackles in the ACC.

B.J. Raji DT B.C. - 6'1" 325, Beast, very strong, commands double teams. Redshirted this year, due to academic ineligibility but may still forgo his Sr. year.

Nick Hayden - Wisconsin 6'5" 301, Great run stuffer. Plays with great leverage does very well against bigger OL. Has some pass rush ability but generally looks to play the run first.




i like those 4 but check out mcclinton from kansas when u get a chance i think u will be suprised

[gyldenlove]

I would love to get a huge really good runblocking DT ... NOT.

I am not big on players switching from offense to defense, it is hard enough for a college DT to learn to play in the pros. For a player who didn't even play the position or for that matter that side of the ball is going to be a major challenge. If he goes undrafted and we can put him on the PS for a year or two while he learns it might be okay. I am talking about that Bain guy.

As for DT's, Dorsey is out of the picture right now. Okam would be a solid fit I think. Red Bryant is ranked very differently by different sources, I think he is ranked higher than his ability dictates because of his size by some sources.

I would like to see us get a guy like Okam and then a 4th or 5th rounder.

[BroncosTX77]

i like those 4 but check out mcclinton from kansas when u get a chance i think u will be suprised

James McClinton DT Kansas 6'1" 285. Explosive interior limited only by a lack of height. He has a quick first step, great balance, and great instincts. He has excellent lateral quickness but tends to struggle against a bigger opposition. He has good technique and hand placement that gives him leverage.

Worth a look on 2nd day. Especially if Shanny loads up on DT this draft.

[elevation INC]

James McClinton DT Kansas 6'1" 285. Explosive interior limited only by a lack of height. He has a quick first step, great balance, and great instincts. He has excellent lateral quickness but tends to struggle against a bigger opposition. He has good technique and hand placement that gives him leverage.

Worth a look on 2nd day. Especially if Shanny loads up on DT this draft.



i think he is worth our 3rd pick but that is just me, thanks for the post

if we got him with a 3rd pick we could use our 1st and second for safety, LB

[BroncosTX77]

i think he is worth our 3rd pick but that is just me, thanks for the post

if we got him with a 3rd pick we could use our 1st and second for safety, LB

We don't have a 3rd pick. We have 2 4th rounders though. IIRC we gave away 2008 3rd to select Marcus Thomas

[elevation INC]

We don't have a 3rd pick. We have 2 4th rounders though. IIRC we gave away 2008 3rd to select Marcus Thomas



um hey hero we do have a 3rd pick. I said 3rd pick not 3rd round our 3rd pick is our first 4th rounder, which i knew, thats why i said 3rd pick and not 3rd round......good looking out though!!!!

[Broncosinindy]

okay bud well u love okam and thats fine. i dont so we are both entitled to our opinion. however for the sake of a statistical arguement here are 5 DT's that are better than okam and u probally havent heard a of some of them. but i am open minded enough for u to tell me where i am wrong, but you wont have a strong arguement


oh yeah and dorsey is statistically better than okam this year



here are your stats

OKAM - (Texas) 41 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, 3 pass break ups, 1FF, 1FR


Mcclinton- (Kansas) 38 tackles, 10.5 for loss, 3 sacks, 1 int, 5 pass break-ups, 1FF

Dorsey- (LSU) 55 tackles, 11.5 for loss, 6 sacks, 4 pass break-ups, 1FF

Ellis- (USC) 48 tackles, 10.5 for loss, 7.5 sacks, 6 pass break-ups, 1FF

Balmer - (UNC) 55 tackles, 7.5 for loss, 3 sacks, 1 pass break-up

Hayden - (Wisconsin) 46 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks, 2 pass break-ups, 1FF, 1 blocked kick

Moore- (Maryland) 56 tackles, 8 for loss, 6 sacks, 1 int, 1 pass break-up, 1FF



now u can take this and rip through it i dont really care because in my mind okam isnt inconsistent on every play, i have seen each of these players in a game and was very impressed how they never gave up on a play, i watched okam against oklahoma, and cant say the same for him, u can call me bias because it was only 1 game but quite frankly i would prefer any 1 of these to okam and statiscally they can play football better than okam. So whatever you or the scouts say i dont really care!!!!!!!!



u can say mcclinton is a stretch which isfine thats is why there are six names and not just five


oh yeah and these stats can be found at the homepage for each college football team under cummulative satistics 2007Sorry mug its not my fault some posters that will reamin nameless dont know how to use the Quote button



I have read alot of your posts and you just have no inkling on what you are talking about. I also can repeat what the talking heads say, but unlike you i have a mind of my own.

If you are saying that okam has not preformed OBVIOUSLY you dont know how to rate DT talent. How do you figure Okam does not have the stats? if we go strictly off stats Okam is a better player then Glen Doresy and we know that is not true.

Now please tell me who are these 5 DT's are and if you are OPEN MINDED enough i will show you where you are wrong.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

I have read alot of your posts and you just have no inkling on what you are talking about. I also can repeat what the talking heads say, but unlike you i have a mind of my own.

If you are saying that okam has not preformed OBVIOUSLY you dont know how to rate DT talent. How do you figure Okam does not have the stats? if we go strictly off stats Okam is a better player then Glen Doresy and we know that is not true.

Now please tell me who are these 5 DT's are and if you are OPEN MINDED enough i will show you where you are wrong.


Hey! Fix that Quoting, it looks like you're calling me the idiot!

[elevation INC]

[QUOTE=elevation INC;2005891]
I have read alot of your posts and you just have no inkling on what you are talking about. I also can repeat what the talking heads say, but unlike you i have a mind of my own.

If you are saying that okam has not preformed OBVIOUSLY you dont know how to rate DT talent. How do you figure Okam does not have the stats? if we go strictly off stats Okam is a better player then Glen Doresy and we know that is not true.

Now please tell me who are these 5 DT's are and if you are OPEN MINDED enough i will show you where you are wrong.





okay bud well u love okam and thats fine. i dont so we are both entitled to our opinion. however for the sake of a statistical arguement here are 5 DT's that are better than okam and u probally havent heard a of some of them. but i am open minded enough for u to tell me where i am wrong, but you wont have a strong arguement


oh yeah and dorsey is statistically better than okam this year



here are your stats

OKAM - (Texas) 41 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, 3 pass break ups, 1FF, 1FR


Mcclinton- (Kansas) 38 tackles, 10.5 for loss, 3 sacks, 1 int, 5 pass break-ups, 1FF

Dorsey- (LSU) 55 tackles, 11.5 for loss, 6 sacks, 4 pass break-ups, 1FF

Ellis- (USC) 48 tackles, 10.5 for loss, 7.5 sacks, 6 pass break-ups, 1FF

Balmer - (UNC) 55 tackles, 7.5 for loss, 3 sacks, 1 pass break-up

Hayden - (Wisconsin) 46 tackles, 8.5 for loss, 4.5 sacks, 2 pass break-ups, 1FF, 1 blocked kick

Moore- (Maryland) 56 tackles, 8 for loss, 6 sacks, 1 int, 1 pass break-up, 1FF



now u can take this and rip through it i dont really care because in my mind okam isnt inconsistent on every play, i have seen each of these players in a game and was very impressed how they never gave up on a play, i watched okam against oklahoma, and cant say the same for him, u can call me bias because it was only 1 game but quite frankly i would prefer any 1 of these to okam and statiscally they can play football better than okam. So whatever you or the scouts say i dont really care!!!!!!!!



u can say mcclinton is a stretch which isfine thats is why there are six names and not just five


oh yeah and these stats can be found at the homepage for each college football team under cummulative satistics 2007

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Here's the problem with all that stuff....Okam is a true Nose Tackle, which is what we want to use in our schemes, ALL of the other guys are Under Tackles, that penetrate.


We don't ask our DTs to penetrate, we ask them to clog. Okam is by far the best Nose Tackle prospect in the draft, Dorsey is easily the best Under Tackle.


If you take Okam's stats into consideration with HOW he is used against the other guys which might be used in a different scheme, that's where he becomes even more impressive.


Some DTs are told to attack, some are told to hold their gaps. Obviously, those that are holding gaps aren't going to have a ton of sacks for example.


Dorsey is a great DT, can he hold two gaps against 330lb guards? No. Can Okam? Yes. Do we want our DTs to hold two gaps against 330lb guards? Yes, so our LBs can make plays.

[elevation INC]

Here's the problem with all that stuff....Okam is a true Nose Tackle, which is what we want to use in our schemes, ALL of the other guys are Under Tackles, that penetrate.


We don't ask our DTs to penetrate, we ask them to clog. Okam is by far the best Nose Tackle prospect in the draft, Dorsey is easily the best Under Tackle.


If you take Okam's stats into consideration with HOW he is used against the other guys which might be used in a different scheme, that's where he becomes even more impressive.


Some DTs are told to attack, some are told to hold their gaps. Obviously, those that are holding gaps aren't going to have a ton of sacks for example.


Dorsey is a great DT, can he hold two gaps against 330lb guards? No. Can Okam? Yes. Do we want our DTs to hold two gaps against 330lb guards? Yes, so our LBs can make plays.



well since i am open minded i like your point but............i think we would be better suited with uder tackles, we havent had a penetrating line in some years and it would do our team some good to be able to penetrate from the DT spot, and get lots of pressure on the quarterback, denver is better suited for a more aggressive Defense we were good against the run with aggresiveness under coyers scheme because we penetrated the line before the backs made it there.....are lack of defense was our secondary and backers. because i feel we now have the secondary to make the plays in back, a line backer and safety could seal the deal. perhaps what i am getting at is there are still some Dt's worth less than okam that would be awsome for us, and better suited, we have already began changing bates scheme a little to be more aggresive.



1 last thing though, i am not the only one that is weary of Okam, BroncosTX77 posted a link to espn insider on okam that should shed some light on what the scouts think of okam , his post is on the previous page.


thanks for the respectful post though

[BroncosTX77]

That link from last page showed what ppl were saying about Okam from before last years draft, about him being lazy and such. In other words as of now there really isn't that much info on Okam but outdated scouting info.

[elevation INC]

well in my opinion nothing has changed my view about okam, wether they said it last year or this year it still has been said, thanks for the heads up though,

[Broncosinindy]

Here's the problem with all that stuff....Okam is a true Nose Tackle, which is what we want to use in our schemes, ALL of the other guys are Under Tackles, that penetrate.


We don't ask our DTs to penetrate, we ask them to clog. Okam is by far the best Nose Tackle prospect in the draft, Dorsey is easily the best Under Tackle.


If you take Okam's stats into consideration with HOW he is used against the other guys which might be used in a different scheme, that's where he becomes even more impressive.


Some DTs are told to attack, some are told to hold their gaps. Obviously, those that are holding gaps aren't going to have a ton of sacks for example.


Dorsey is a great DT, can he hold two gaps against 330lb guards? No. Can Okam? Yes. Do we want our DTs to hold two gaps against 330lb guards? Yes, so our LBs can make plays.
Dangit MUG you beat me to it. lol

[Broncosinindy]

well since i am open minded i like your point but............i think we would be better suited with uder tackles, we havent had a penetrating line in some years and it would do our team some good to be able to penetrate from the DT spot, and get lots of pressure on the quarterback, denver is better suited for a more aggressive Defense we were good against the run with aggresiveness under coyers scheme because we penetrated the line before the backs made it there.....are lack of defense was our secondary and backers. because i feel we now have the secondary to make the plays in back, a line backer and safety could seal the deal. perhaps what i am getting at is there are still some Dt's worth less than okam that would be awsome for us, and better suited, we have already began changing bates scheme a little to be more aggresive.



1 last thing though, i am not the only one that is weary of Okam, BroncosTX77 posted a link to espn insider on okam that should shed some light on what the scouts think of okam , his post is on the previous page.


thanks for the respectful post though

Incorrect WE HAVE had a penetrating style of line in denver with coyer what the problem was we didnt have anyone that was any good at penetrating. What the problem is we DID NOT have the players that were good at it.The last UT we had that was any good at it was trevor pryce.

We also have Marcus Thomas who is a penetrating type DT/UT and is fairly good at it. Unless Sedrick Ellis or Dorsey is available none of the guys on the board is worth it IMO as i think Thomas is better then any of the UT/DT left.

Also in the Cover Two System you also have to have a 4-3 Nose tackle type to play alongside the UT. Which is still a two gap responseability. and as i said Marcus Thomas needs to be given a shot at it and i think We need that NT to help MT and the rest of the line.

This is all if we decided if Bates scheme must go. but since i dont think it will We need larger bodies that can take on multiple blockers and make the inside run lanes as small as possible.

Sedrick Ellis and Glen Doresy are two great Tackles.But they are not known for being able to anchor and do the dirty work. UT most always have the better statistics. But if you take a closer look at it Al Woods paves the way for dorsey to be able to take on a man and get upfield and go after the QB or look for the RB in the backfield.

So since i think we have distinguished the differance between a NT / UT type we should look at stats that compare the best NT's i am gonna narrow it down to LSU's NT in Al Woods
DEFENSIVE LEADERS GP Solo Ast Total TFL/Yds No-Yds Int-Yds BrUp QBH Rcv-Yds FF Kick Saf
97 Al Woods 10 12 6 18 2.0-15 2.0-15 . . 1 3-0

97 Al Woods DT 6'4" 316 So Jennings, LA - Who is only a Sophmore and is the next great NT type

and

75 Moala, Fili 10 11 16 27 3.0-5 1.0-2

Those are the NT that play next to GD and SE. So if you Compare the NT types Frank Okam gives a beat down to those guys. Okams strengths are his run stuffing ability and is well rounded enough to actually be able to pentrate and make plays in the back field.

I would compare it like this. Tony Scheffler is a great pass catching TE but is not as good run blocking. and Dan Graham is a great run blocking TE that is marginal when catching the ball. Now imagine for just demonstration purposes We put TS in to be our Blocking TE and Graham to be our Recieving tight end. You would be a fool to do this. Becuase Scheffler has the ability to be to big for a S and to fast for a LB and is a matchup nightmare for teams. See Antonio Gates.

I think we could get away with a lighter DT/NT in this system. but why would we want a guy like Ellis whose skill set is differant then okam whose skillset we DESPERATLY need. It also would be a waste of his talent. and to switch him over could take longer as he would have to learn how to play a differant style. read up about TS and DG. when we could take a guy that could probably step right in and start on this D.

Look at Marcus Thomas. Mckinly is starting over him right now.Who is not a great fit he is more of a 3-4 end or a 4-3 UT. It just goes to show you that IMO that marcus thomas is having a rough time converting to the style of play that bates uses. Im not saying MT is not gonna be good down the road. We just have NO quality at DT and he is getting reps because of this.

Remeber the NT frees up the other lineman to get on 1-1 matchups. unless a TE chips on a DE
I hope this explains a little

[Broncosinindy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?s...yhoo&type=lgns

Frank Okam, Texas – Okam was thought to be a possible first-round pick after a solid sophomore season. An up-and-down junior year forced him to return to impress scouts. He has good size, strength and is a good student. He already has his degree and has taken the LSAT. Some scouts wonder if he has the desire to become a great pro. Tends to get too tall out of his stance and just occupy space rather than looking to fight through blockers. Will flash power and quickness, but often doesn't play with a high motor for four quarters.

He has good size, strength and is a good student. We need a power guy that can take up blocks and occasionally get after the QB on passing downs he can do both but is better at stuffing the run

Tends to get too tall out of his stance and just occupy space rather than looking to fight through blockers. Sounds like what we do on defense Gain leverage and eat up blocks



but often doesn't play with a high motor for four quarters.

We rotate our lineman and this could be a good fit for okam as he can take a breather now and again. especially if we get another tackle like cody williams or starks in free agency or even another DT NT in the draft. i think he gets call inconsitant alot because he wears down a bit in a game.

This is not a flattering overview of okam, but as i read it this is what we need in a player.

Imagine a rotation of Starks and or Williams Marcus Thomas, Frank Okam and or a Guy in the draft. Since we rotate we might be able to add a guy like Dre Moore if we dont get okam but we have to do get Starks or Williams.

We IMO have to add 2/3 guys minimum this year

[Broncosinindy]

If we Get okam but miss out on The DT FA's i would like to see denver add one more DT. Here are some guys that i think would be good to add on later in the draft.


Keith McCleary, Mary U. (N.D.) – A thick-bodied run stuffer, McCleary could contend for a free-agent opportunity. He's just about 6-2, 300 pounds and plays with both good strength and balance. He shows the ability to take up space and handle double-teams at his current level of competition. A hard worker, he will not go down without a fight at the line of scrimmage

I have not watched him play. so i am gonna have to read the scouting on him and go from there i wonder if he'll make any of the all star games or combine?

Viliami Akoteu, Idaho State – A massively built run-stopper who at roughly 6-2, 340 pounds can create havoc for opposing blockers when he plays low and uses his hands. He's more of an enforcer type against his current level of competition, but shows just adequate quickness and may be too heavy-legged for the NFL.

Tywain Myles, Tarleton State (Texas) – Built more like a nose tackle – low to the ground, with broad shoulders and a thick base that allows him to gain leverage and push the pocket. Surprisingly quick off the ball, but not a great pass rusher. He eats up space and allows others to make the play. He has been timed in the 4.9 range at nearly 320 pounds and just under 6-2.

Cory Clark, Jackson State – A Mississippi State transfer, Clark has a run-stuffer body at just under 6-3, 330 pounds. He leads his team with 12 tackles for loss and has four sacks. He has a compact build and shows some area quickness off the ball, but tends to wear down.

Anthony Toribio, Carson-Newman (Tenn.) – A skilled interior defender who displays good hustle, power and the ability to make plays. Scouts wonder if he has the athleticism to play against faster/more talented competition. He has been timed in the 5.2 range at just under 6-2, 310 pounds.

Jason Shirley, Fresno State – Massive run stopper who was suspended last month after being cited for a DWI. Has shown potential as a guy who can come in and help dominate the line of scrimmage, but he needs to make better use of his hands and stay in shape.


I have seen him play and is a MONSTER. although he comes with ALOT of baggage is a risk and i dont know if he is worth the risk or not


im intrigued with Marcus Harrison, Arkansas – This strong, well-built run-stopper will face scrutiny after an arrest on drug and traffic charges. He was suspended by the Razorbacks. He packs a punch at the point of attack and can bully opposing linemen, but plays out of control at times, missing assignments or overpursuing. Can get too high off the snap and stay blocked when he gets winded. Needs to get into better shape and improve his stamina.


Although if he cant play the gaps and over pursues that could really hurt us.

Henry Smith, Texas A&M – A first-year starter who has made waves with his play. Smith is a junior-college transfer, recruited out of high school by most of the SEC. He is a powerfully built interior defender who has flashed initial quickness and the ability to shake off blockers and make plays at-or-behind the line of scrimmage. His effort and ability to locate the ball off the snap have improved.

Dream or WAB or MUG might be able to give more insight on him. i think i read dream saying that he is starting to come on and getting reps. plus i know he doesnt have the injury concerns like bryant


Derek Lokey, Texas – Lokey stands out for his hustle, power and willingness to sacrifice. He has come back from a broken right leg that cost him to miss time at the end of last season. Plays with leverage and shows his 500-pound bench press power when battling blockers, but will struggle as a pass rusher if his first move does not work.


I think he could be ok in a rotation, is not huge But things he brings is he is a High Character guy that his teamates love. and add to that he can also help our power running game as he has played FB in goal line and short yardage situations. also will play special teams

Nick Hayden, Wisconsin – Hayden has gone through an attitude transformation this season. He has shown renewed leadership skills as a senior and has been one of the team's most productive defenders. A bit of an underachiever who was not seen as very coachable, he has 44 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, four sacks and two fumble recoveries. Still too tall and stiff off the ball, will locate the play a little late and lacks ideal quickness to get down the line in pursuit. But he has good-size (6-4, 300 pounds) and flashes a powerful punch to drive blockers back into the pocket. Good late-round guy who would work best in a rotation-based scheme.

I know its one writers opionon but teams should be leary over a guy that is Not very coachable

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If we Get okam but miss out on The DT FA's i would like to see denver add one more DT. Here are some guys that i think would be good to add on later in the draft.


Keith McCleary, Mary U. (N.D.) – A thick-bodied run stuffer, McCleary could contend for a free-agent opportunity. He's just about 6-2, 300 pounds and plays with both good strength and balance. He shows the ability to take up space and handle double-teams at his current level of competition. A hard worker, he will not go down without a fight at the line of scrimmage

I have not watched him play. so i am gonna have to read the scouting on him and go from there i wonder if he'll make any of the all star games or combine?

Viliami Akoteu, Idaho State – A massively built run-stopper who at roughly 6-2, 340 pounds can create havoc for opposing blockers when he plays low and uses his hands. He's more of an enforcer type against his current level of competition, but shows just adequate quickness and may be too heavy-legged for the NFL.

Tywain Myles, Tarleton State (Texas) – Built more like a nose tackle – low to the ground, with broad shoulders and a thick base that allows him to gain leverage and push the pocket. Surprisingly quick off the ball, but not a great pass rusher. He eats up space and allows others to make the play. He has been timed in the 4.9 range at nearly 320 pounds and just under 6-2.

Cory Clark, Jackson State – A Mississippi State transfer, Clark has a run-stuffer body at just under 6-3, 330 pounds. He leads his team with 12 tackles for loss and has four sacks. He has a compact build and shows some area quickness off the ball, but tends to wear down.

Anthony Toribio, Carson-Newman (Tenn.) – A skilled interior defender who displays good hustle, power and the ability to make plays. Scouts wonder if he has the athleticism to play against faster/more talented competition. He has been timed in the 5.2 range at just under 6-2, 310 pounds.

Jason Shirley, Fresno State – Massive run stopper who was suspended last month after being cited for a DWI. Has shown potential as a guy who can come in and help dominate the line of scrimmage, but he needs to make better use of his hands and stay in shape.


I have seen him play and is a MONSTER. although he comes with ALOT of baggage is a risk and i dont know if he is worth the risk or not


im intrigued with Marcus Harrison, Arkansas – This strong, well-built run-stopper will face scrutiny after an arrest on drug and traffic charges. He was suspended by the Razorbacks. He packs a punch at the point of attack and can bully opposing linemen, but plays out of control at times, missing assignments or overpursuing. Can get too high off the snap and stay blocked when he gets winded. Needs to get into better shape and improve his stamina.


Although if he cant play the gaps and over pursues that could really hurt us.

Henry Smith, Texas A&M – A first-year starter who has made waves with his play. Smith is a junior-college transfer, recruited out of high school by most of the SEC. He is a powerfully built interior defender who has flashed initial quickness and the ability to shake off blockers and make plays at-or-behind the line of scrimmage. His effort and ability to locate the ball off the snap have improved.

Dream or WAB or MUG might be able to give more insight on him. i think i read dream saying that he is starting to come on and getting reps. plus i know he doesnt have the injury concerns like bryant


Derek Lokey, Texas – Lokey stands out for his hustle, power and willingness to sacrifice. He has come back from a broken right leg that cost him to miss time at the end of last season. Plays with leverage and shows his 500-pound bench press power when battling blockers, but will struggle as a pass rusher if his first move does not work.


I think he could be ok in a rotation, is not huge But things he brings is he is a High Character guy that his teamates love. and add to that he can also help our power running game as he has played FB in goal line and short yardage situations. also will play special teams

Nick Hayden, Wisconsin – Hayden has gone through an attitude transformation this season. He has shown renewed leadership skills as a senior and has been one of the team's most productive defenders. A bit of an underachiever who was not seen as very coachable, he has 44 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, four sacks and two fumble recoveries. Still too tall and stiff off the ball, will locate the play a little late and lacks ideal quickness to get down the line in pursuit. But he has good-size (6-4, 300 pounds) and flashes a powerful punch to drive blockers back into the pocket. Good late-round guy who would work best in a rotation-based scheme.

I know its one writers opionon but teams should be leary over a guy that is Not very coachable




well we agree on hayden and harrison from arkansas, but other than that......i guess we will just have to see what the team thinks. interesting points by all.

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well we agree on hayden and harrison from arkansas, but other than that......i guess we will just have to see what the team thinks. interesting points by all.

yeah..... im gonna need that stapler