Boss Bailey

[biggymac609]

Does anyone agree that we should unite the Bailey brothers this offseason and sign free agent Boss Bailey

That would be soo sik

[str8jacket]

Boss is nowhere near as good as Champ.

*shrug*

I'd rather have the LB corps we have now

[Skywalker]

Boss is nowhere near as good as Champ.

*shrug*

I'd rather have the LB corps we have now

I dunno, I think I'd rather have Boss over Nate Webster, and keep Webster as a backup.

[Ludes0208]

Let's get John Lynch's cousin and DJ Williams' sister too.

Just because his brother is a start player on the team doesn't make up for a career of being average and overpaid. The exact same "problems" we have with Gold would be there with him- though he'd swap speed for some big ol' muscles.

[str8jacket]

I dunno, I think I'd rather have Boss over Nate Webster, and keep Webster as a backup.

If anything Webster has been stellar this year. He makes the plays, and he finishes tackles. He hits his lanes.

I'd like to see us fix the D-Line. Then the LB's job would be a whole lot easier.

[ChampWJ]

Apparently no one watched Boss play for Georgia. He was a force. He has a ridiculous vertical leap (48")and great speed (4.35). He is also an excellent tackler sideline to sideline. He and Champ are both extremely talented athletes, you just don't hear about Boss because he's on the Lions and he's battled injuries on and off since being drafted.

I would take him here in a heartbeat, and I say that because I watched every college game he played in. I've never seen a guy block so many field goals, it was a pleasure to watch.

[Ludes0208]

If anything Webster has been stellar this year. He makes the plays, and he finishes tackles. He hits his lanes.



You must be talking about your madden season.

[Shawshank24]

i wouldn't mind bringing him in, as long as he isn't overpaid and makes tackles.

he ran a 4.35 and had a 48" vert when he was in college!

there is SOMETHING to be said about him being champs brother, as they are both amazing athletes. the TC isnt saying bring him in purely because he's champ's bro-bro and MUST be great, he's saying that he's a good linebacker, and that him and champ's genes do nothing but help them as professional athletes.

[SimonSteele]

Boss is an LOLB right? I say bring him in. Webster has been inconsistent at best. Though he recently shaped up, he's been a huge detriment to our run defense. Right now Gold is our biggest problem on the LB core--so either drafting/signing a MLB or an ROLB would be ideal. DJ shouldn't go back to the left though. Ideally we get a sweet ROLB and keep DJ in the middle, though if the options for middle are better then by all means move DJ back to the right. Then we need to go to DT, possibly safety, and maybe then LOLB. That's just my opinion though...too bad it's right.

[Bronco_Armada]

I wonder where he gets the nickname boss :confused:

We all know why Roland has the nickname Champ. ;)

[Ludes0208]

he IS a specimen....but just about everyone in the NFL was a bad-ass college player....so let's leave the "what he was doing 5-8 years ago" stuff out of the discussion.

Fact of the matter is through their careers Boss makes 4.66 tackles per game and Gold makes 4.6....if he comes at a nice rate- let's do it...just wouldn't be expecting a major increase in production.

[Broncosinindy]

he IS a specimen....but just about everyone in the NFL was a bad-ass college player....so let's leave the "what he was doing 5-8 years ago" stuff out of the discussion.

Fact of the matter is through their careers Boss makes 4.66 tackles per game and Gold makes 4.6....if he comes at a nice rate- let's do it...just wouldn't be expecting a major increase in production.

so anywhere from 64-80 tackles for a outside linebacker is decent. IMO cool they average about the same amount of tackles...but who misses more. ive never really watched him as he is hardly ever on TV due to black out but i seen him agaisnt denver and green bay and looks like a fiery player.

Its also my opionon that if he was to come in. He would play SLB, He has pretty good coverage skills for a linebacker something we have sorely missed. i know for a fact he has played both WLB and SLB and i am pretty sure he has played MLB for a season. so he brings versitality.

The only negative i have seen or heard about him is injuries. but we all know sometimes players due get injured. it comes with playing football. and sometimes folks get a bad break

We would definelty be in consideration due to his brother playing here. He is one of the better OLB becoming a FA this year. and if you want my opionon he wont get a pay day like Lance Briggs, Karlos Dansby.

I'll have to ask around but i hear we have around 20 million dollars in cap money. and A grip of free agents we need to get signed. between that and the draft i have a feeling we wont have lance Briggs type money. probably a 2nd tier DT and a Boss Bailey or Demario Williams type LB. Not to mention if we do get rid of ian gold as everyone wants we probably couldnt even afford a player of his caliber.

Edit this is the wrong forum for this there is a draft and FA thread. Mods can we get this moved please.

[NickTranOwnz]

I didn't see Boss Bailey playing a lot vs the Packers...

[MilitantDBFan]

If we could sign Albert Haynsworth and Boss Bailey in the offseason we would be good to go. Move DJ Back to weakside, Have Boss man the strong side and either trade (Vilma) or draft a MLB (2nd Round). And address the saftey situation in the first round, no excuses. And find a burner at the wideout, we are missing one. Preferably one with some return skills.

[ChangAlang24]

Let's get John Lynch's cousin and DJ Williams' sister too.


lol ive met john lynches nephew

[str8jacket]

You must be talking about your madden season.

I sure as hell know what I'm talking about.

Guarantee I've seen more games than you, especially in person. I've came away from the games I went to, and was impressed by Webster.

Next smartass remark?

[Tatum_26]

If we could sign Albert Haynsworth and Boss Bailey in the offseason we would be good to go. Move DJ Back to weakside, Have Boss man the strong side and either trade (Vilma) or draft a MLB (2nd Round). And address the saftey situation in the first round, no excuses. And find a burner at the wideout, we are missing one. Preferably one with some return skills.

Okay... First of all, Albert Haynsworth isn't going anywhere. He is the anchor of their defense and even if they let him go, we won't be able to afford him.

Vilma? What do you propose we trade for him?

I think we should leave DJ as MLB just because he has been playing extremely well since he's gotten used to it.

I agree with the safety pick.

But... we already have Walker, Marshall... and Stokley. Why would we need a burner? Are we moving to the spread offense or something with 4 wr formations?

[Max Power]

No thanks to Boss, he would not be a upgrade to any of our current group. If we're serious about upgrading the position, we'll take a blue chip LB in the draft, trade for Vilma, or sign Briggs.

[stnzed]

he IS a specimen....but just about everyone in the NFL was a bad-ass college player....so let's leave the "what he was doing 5-8 years ago" stuff out of the discussion.

Fact of the matter is through their careers Boss makes 4.66 tackles per game and Gold makes 4.6....if he comes at a nice rate- let's do it...just wouldn't be expecting a major increase in production.

Thanks for doing the leg work, but Gold has always been freed up by playing the weak side, while Bailey has been moved around for the same reasons DJ Williams has....Bailey has been playing the majority of the last 3 years at SLB.

Gold, btw, probably has at least 4.6 missed tackles a game too, I sincerely doubt Bailey even comes close.

In fact, from the Detroit games that I've watched, I'd say it's impossible.

There is a need for upgrade at both OLB positions, imo, and Bailey should be considered, he'd be better than both Webster and Gold......

[stnzed]

No thanks to Boss, he would not be a upgrade to any of our current group. If we're serious about upgrading the position, we'll take a blue chip LB in the draft, trade for Vilma, or sign Briggs.



Don't get me wrong, I like Vilma, but why does everybody keep bringing his name up when he's got a serious knee injury?...:confused:...

[Ravage!!!]

Don't get me wrong, I like Vilma, but why does everybody keep bringing his name up when he's got a serious knee injury?...:confused:...

but is it a career ending injury.. or just a season ending one? Because I would take Vilma and his knee if its one that he could come back from.

[stnzed]

but is it a career ending injury.. or just a season ending one? Because I would take Vilma and his knee if its one that he could come back from.

In my mind, trading for Vilma would be totally sweet, but the question you just asked is what scares me.

Now if he could be had for cheap, do it anyway!...:salute:...

[Lorcust]

but is it a career ending injury.. or just a season ending one? Because I would take Vilma and his knee if its one that he could come back from.

"This is a not a career-threatening injury and the doctors expect a full recovery," said Mitch Frankel, one of Vilma's representatives.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3082154

The Jets are pretty tightlipped about the situation. I think its part of a degenerate knee condition or something related though.

"In high school, Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD), a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint. Although Vilma and the team have refused to specify his injury, his right knee does contain loose fragments, it was confirmed."

More information on his condition:

"A person with OCD has a vulnerable spot on the knee that, from repetitive use, can break loose more easily," said Dr. Nicholas DiNubile, a Philadelphia-based orthopedic surgeon and a consultant to the 76ers. DiNubile hasn't seen Vilma's MRI exams, but he suspects there's a "sizeable defect" in the knee that may need to be repaired with micro-fracture surgery - a six-to-nine month rehab. If it were only one bone chip, DiNubile said, it could be easily removed with an arthroscopic procedure that would sideline Vilma two or three weeks."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2007/11/01/2007-11-01_jets_knew_of_jonathan_vilmas_knee_injury-2.html

I think we shouldn't touch this, and just let D.J. develop as is. The way Shanahan loves injured players though... he's probably getting a hard one for him already.

[stnzed]

"This is a not a career-threatening injury and the doctors expect a full recovery," said Mitch Frankel, one of Vilma's representatives.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3082154

The Jets are pretty tightlipped about the situation. I think its part of a degenerate knee condition or something related though.

"In high school, Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD), a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint. Although Vilma and the team have refused to specify his injury, his right knee does contain loose fragments, it was confirmed."

More information on his condition:

"A person with OCD has a vulnerable spot on the knee that, from repetitive use, can break loose more easily," said Dr. Nicholas DiNubile, a Philadelphia-based orthopedic surgeon and a consultant to the 76ers. DiNubile hasn't seen Vilma's MRI exams, but he suspects there's a "sizeable defect" in the knee that may need to be repaired with micro-fracture surgery - a six-to-nine month rehab. If it were only one bone chip, DiNubile said, it could be easily removed with an arthroscopic procedure that would sideline Vilma two or three weeks."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2007/11/01/2007-11-01_jets_knew_of_jonathan_vilmas_knee_injury-2.html

I think we shouldn't touch this, and just let D.J. develop as is. The way Shanahan loves injured players though... he's probably getting a hard one for him already.

See, I'm not a doctor, but this sounds bad.

Btw, I've read that Dwayne Robertson has a degenerative knee condition too! Which makes their drafting look as bad as Shanahan's......

[JoRo]

I for one would not mind Boss. Being in Michigan I have heard and seen a little more of him than some of you guys (not that I am a pro not a Lion fan...)

But if I am even close to right Boss was runner up for DROY his rookie season... second season basically was derailed (he was WLB at the time) when he came back they had Lehman and drafted Sims somewhere in there. Last year they tried to have Boss play MLB but found he would overthink at times and not just let his instincts go... He ended up getting moved to SLB and is doing fairly decent there and getting better as the year has gone on.

It seems his strengths are the job parts of it, following assignments and coverages, but he isn't a strong blitzer (from what I read, hear and see...) Although he was doing well last game against the packers overall. I donno for sure but from what I remember seeing of him I was fairly impressed.

He should come at a bargain price as he hasn't lit it up, he plays for a Lions team and has been injured. Plus he is an SLB (or most teams will think of him as one I would think) and I could see us making a play on him. I think he would fit in well here,not cuz he is Champ's bro but because he is a fast athletic linebacker.

Just what I think right now I will be looking more as we get closer to FA

[MindField]

I like Boss Bailey better than Ian Gold....and he would not break the bank..

Throw in the fact he is Champ's brother, and it's a good move, IMO.

I like Boss....he is physical and plays with an attitude; something we need.

[Lorcust]

I like Boss Bailey better than Ian Gold....and he would not break the bank..

Throw in the fact he is Champ's brother, and it's a good move, IMO.

I like Boss....he is physical and plays with an attitude; something we need.

I wouldn't disapprove of acquiring Boss Bailey, as long as we have some depth ready to play if necessary.

I'll believe him lasting a full season when I see it.

[Broncosinindy]

but is it a career ending injury.. or just a season ending one? Because I would take Vilma and his knee if its one that he could come back from.

From every source i have heard he could be out a year. and might not be full force for two. pass

[elevation INC]

vilma in his current state would be a downgrade, take a top lb in the draft and briggs in FA

[bjoli198]

Does anyone agree that we should unite the Bailey brothers this offseason and sign free agent Boss Bailey

That would be soo sik


I´d rather trade for Teddy Lehman to have as a SLB

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

It's worth noting that Detroit thinks Boss Bailey sucks. For all the fans' Ian Gold hate, the organization still believes in him at least.

Just something to consider.


Also, Ian doesn't always line up on the "weakside", he switches around every game, and some games, such as at Chicago, they basically play him over the TE for coverage purposes a large time. That, of course, is the "strong side".

[bouloux29]

vilma would be a bad move, even if we got him on the cheap, it would knock a very good mlb out of the position, and he may well never recover fully from surgery. Plus, At WSLB Williams wasn't amazing, why move him back? Makes sense to get another Lb in the draft to replace webster, preferably with some edge rushing skills or some dominant size (6 3 maybe?) and who will add some consistency to our qb pressure and run defense. I'm new so i don't quite understand why everyone hates Gold, does he really do things so badly? If he does then i understand why ur mad, he is on 5mil a year cap space apparantly. I doubt we'll get another dt in the draft (high up anyway) so mckinlay might stay i suppose. That leaves safety, where hamza has been impressive and ferguson seems to be doing OK. Would like an athlete there, a ballhawk who can hit (would have said in the sean taylor mold RIP) Other than that i'd like to see us draft a genuine deepthreat, a 4.3 wr so we can spread the field and use jays arm. If javon was healthy id probably not say that but im unsure of the seriousness of his knee condition. Finally, Bailey at Lb is a bad move imo, he's an exceptional athlete ,but he's very injury prone and i think health, as weve seen this season, is very important for a player.

[Drunk Bronco]

vilma would be a bad move, even if we got him on the cheap, it would knock a very good mlb out of the position, and he may well never recover fully from surgery. Plus, At WSLB Williams wasn't amazing, why move him back? Makes sense to get another Lb in the draft to replace webster, preferably with some edge rushing skills or some dominant size (6 3 maybe?) and who will add some consistency to our qb pressure and run defense. I'm new so i don't quite understand why everyone hates Gold, does he really do things so badly? If he does then i understand why ur mad, he is on 5mil a year cap space apparantly. I doubt we'll get another dt in the draft (high up anyway) so mckinlay might stay i suppose. That leaves safety, where hamza has been impressive and ferguson seems to be doing OK. Would like an athlete there, a ballhawk who can hit (would have said in the sean taylor mold RIP) Other than that i'd like to see us draft a genuine deepthreat, a 4.3 wr so we can spread the field and use jays arm. If javon was healthy id probably not say that but im unsure of the seriousness of his knee condition. Finally, Bailey at Lb is a bad move imo, he's an exceptional athlete ,but he's very injury prone and i think health, as weve seen this season, is very important for a player.i would take a shot on BOSS...WHY NOT???

[ChrisSimpy]

Why does everyone want Boss so much just because he is related to Champ doesnt mean he is close to his talent level.

He has been injury prone and personally when I watch him he doesnt look good.

Sure he is fast but so is Ian Gold... And most detroit fans dont thing to highly of him either

In my opinion Ian Gold is better.... Although Gold is pretty inconsistent too.

[Ravage!!!]

yeah.. I'm a litttle confused on the Boss Bailey fascination myself. Seems that is the flavor of the month, and its not shaking easy. I personally, don't think he's the answer to any of the problems we have.

[ChrisSimpy]

yeah.. I'm a litttle confused on the Boss Bailey fascination myself. Seems that is the flavor of the month, and its not shaking easy. I personally, don't think he's the answer to any of the problems we have.

Yea it apears that way i honestly think that is a downgrade over Ian Gold :confused:

[biggymac609]

sorry for the late bump, but as being the OP, i wud just like to point out that i was right

[Max Power]

sorry for the late bump, but as being the OP, i wud just like to point out that i was right

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[BroncosTX77]

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[rich_thunder]

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[sbutk]

I do! :cheeky:

You do, what?


...And rich_thunder is right: you gonna share that thing?


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[str8jacket]

sorry for the late bump, but as being the OP, i wud just like to point out that i was right

You werent right about anything.

Does anyone agree that we should unite the Bailey brothers this offseason and sign free agent Boss Bailey

That would be soo sik

I don't see a prediction anywhere in there.

It would be "sik"?

Lets see how he plays, but before you open your mouth at least know what you posted please.