Draft Day Thread

[Nick]

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2009 NFL Draft - April 25 / 26





Draft Order

Not determined.

Draft positions are determined by record, the team with the worst record during the regular season picks first and so on. If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

The Super Bowl winner automatically picks 32nd while the Super Bowl loser picks 31st regardless of regular season record. All other playoff teams are placed in the selection order based on their regular season record upon losing their playoff game. If a playoff team and a non-playoff team are tied based on regular season record, the non-playoff team will pick first. If two playoff teams are tied based on regular season record, the team that lost in the earlier round of the playoffs will select first. If both playoff teams that have the same record exited the playoffs in the same round, the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker is applied.


Traded selections

The following selections were traded prior to the 2009 NFL Draft.


First round

Carolina to Philadelphia.

The Carolina Panthers traded their first-round selection in the 2009 Draft, as well as the 43rd and 109th selections in the 2008 Draft, to the Philadelphia Eagles for the 19th overall selection in 2008 (used to select Jeff Otah).

Dallas to Detroit.

The Dallas Cowboys traded their first-round selection in 2009, as well as their third- and sixth-round selections to the Detroit Lions in exchange for Roy Williams and a seventh-round selection in 2009.


Second round

San Diego to New England.

The San Diego Chargers traded their second-round selection in 2009 to the New England Patriots in exchange for New England's third-round selection in 2008 (used to select Jacob Hester).

Washington to Miami.

The Washington Redskins traded their second-round selection in 2009 and their sixth-round selection in 2010 to the Miami Dolphins for Jason Taylor.

New Orleans to New York Giants.

The New Orleans Saints traded their second- and fifth-round selections to the New York Giants in a trade for Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey. If the Saints resign linebacker Jonathan Vilma, however, they may owe that second-round pick to the New York Jets, in which case the Giants will receive the Saints' first-round pick in 2010.


Third round

Cleveland to Dallas.

The Cleveland Browns traded their third-round selection in 2009 to the Dallas Cowboys for Dallas' fourth-round selection in 2008 (used to select Martin Rucker).

Dallas to Detroit.

See first-round trade above.


Fourth round

Detroit to Dallas.

The Detroit Lions traded their fourth-round selection in 2009 to Dallas as part of a trade for Dallas' 2008 third-round selection (used to select Cliff Avril).

Washington to New York Jets.

Washington traded its fourth-round selection in 2009 to the New York Jets as part of a trade for Pete Kendall prior to the 2007 season.


Fifth round

Oakland to Atlanta.

Oakland traded its fifth-round selection to the Atlanta Falcons as part of a trade for DeAngelo Hall.

Cleveland to Philadelphia.

Cleveland traded its fifth-round selection in 2009 to the Philadelphia Eagles for one of Philadelphia's sixth-round selections (used to select Paul Hubbard).

New Orleans to New York Giants.

New Orleans traded their second- and fifth-round selections to the Giants in a trade for Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey.

Tennessee to Dallas.

Pacman Jones' suspension on October 15, 2008, triggered a clause in his trade agreement that required the Titans to give the Cowboys their fifth-round selection in 2009. (The Cowboys would have owed the Titans a sixth-round pick had he not been suspended.)

Seattle to Denver.

Seattle traded its fifth-round selection in 2009 to the Denver Broncos in return for Keary Colbert.


Sixth round

Miami to Dallas.

The Miami Dolphins traded their sixth-round selection to Dallas in the Jason Ferguson trade.

Minnesota to Philadelphia.

The Minnesota Vikings traded their sixth-round selection to Philadelphia in the Kelly Holcomb trade.

New Orleans to Green Bay.

New Orleans traded its sixth-round selection in 2009 to the Green Bay Packers for Green Bay's seventh-round selection in 2008 (used to select Adrian Arrington).

Tampa Bay to Chicago.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded their sixth-round selection to the Chicago Bears in the Brian Griese trade.

Chicago to Tampa Bay.

The Chicago Bears traded their sixth-round selection to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the Dan Buenning trade.

Dallas to Detroit.

See first-round trade above.

Washington to Miami.

See second round trade above.


Seventh round

Jacksonville to Tampa Bay.

The Jacksonville Jaguars traded their seventh-round selection to Tampa Bay as part of a trade for Tampa Bay's second-round selection in the 2008 Draft (with which the Jaguars selected Quentin Groves).

Washington to Minnesota.

Washington traded a seventh-round selection to Minnesota for DE Erasmus James.

Cleveland to Miami.

The Cleveland Browns traded their seventh-round selection to the Miami Dolphins for cornerback Travis Daniels.

Carolina to Miami.

The Carolina Panthers traded their seventh-round selection to Miami for QB Josh McCown.

Tampa Bay to Pittsburgh.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded their seventh-round selection to Pittsburgh for OL Sean Mahan.

Detroit to Dallas.

See first-round trade above.


Conditional/Undetermined

Denver to New York Jets.

The Denver Broncos traded an undetermined conditional selection to the New York Jets as part of their trade for DT Dewayne Robertson.

Philadelphia to Indianapolis.

The Philadelphia Eagles traded a conditional 2009 selection to the Indianapolis Colts in return for HB/FB Luke Lawton.

Atlanta to Denver.

The Atlanta Falcons traded a conditional seventh-round pick to the Denver Broncos in return for CB Dominique Foxworth. The pick can increase based on playing time.

New York Jets to Green Bay.

The Jets traded a conditional fourth-round pick to the Green Bay Packers for QB Brett Favre. The pick becomes a third-round pick if Favre takes the majority of the team's snaps at quarterback, a second-round pick if he takes 70 percent of the snaps and the team makes the playoffs, and a first-round pick if Favre takes 80 percent of the snaps at quarterback and the Jets reach Super Bowl XLIII.

New Orleans to New York Jets.

The New Orleans Saints traded a fourth-round pick in 2008 to the New York Jets for Linebacker Jonathan Vilma. Depending on the number of defensive snaps Vilma plays, and whether or not he signs a new contract with the Saints, the Saints may owe the Jets a second-round pick in 2009.

Baltimore to Tampa Bay.

The Baltimore Ravens traded a late round draft pick in 2009 as well as a conditional draft pick in 2010 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for DE Marques Douglas.




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[Nick]

Strength Of Schedule


Arizona Cardinals 0.465

Atlanta Falcons 0.461

Baltimore Ravens 0.551

Buffalo Bills 0.449

Carolina Panthers 0.465

Chicago Bears 0.531

Cincinnati Bengals 0.547

Cleveland Browns 0.547

Dallas Cowboys 0.523

Denver Broncos 0.445

Detroit Lions 0.543

Green Bay Packers 0.531

Houston Texans 0.547

Indianapolis Colts 0.594

Jacksonville Jaguars 0.559

Kansas City Chiefs 0.453

Miami Dolphins 0.465

Minnesota Vikings 0.551

New England Patriots 0.387

New Orleans Saints 0.449

New York Giants 0.520

New York Jets 0.457

Oakland Raiders 0.438

Philadelphia Eagles 0.520

Pittsburgh Steelers 0.598

Saint Louis Rams 0.488

San Diego Chargers 0.422

San Francisco 49ers 0.484

Seattle Seahawks 0.477

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0.469

Tennessee Titans 0.543

Washington Redskins 0.523




Draft Pick Value Chart



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Team Needs


Coming soon.




2009 Free Agency


LINK (http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2009)


Top Free Agents by position. By: MUG


DEFENSE


DT

1. Albert Haynesworth (Tennessee)
2. Rocky Bernard (Seattle)
3. Jovan Haye (Tampa Bay)
4. John Thornton (Cincinnati)
5. Tank Johnson (Dallas)
6. La'Roi Glover (St. Louis)
7. Larry Tripplett (Seattle)
8. Shaun Cody (Detroit)
9. Darwin Walker (Carolina)
10. Grady Jackson (Atlanta)
11. Gabe Watson (Arizona)
12. Mike Wright (New England)
13. Colin Cole (Green Bay)
14. Ryan Sims (Tampa Bay)


DE

1. Terrell Suggs (Baltimore)
2. Julius Peppers (Carolina)
3. Chris Canty (Dallas)
4. Kenechi Udeze (Minnesota)
5. Kevin Carter (Tampa Bay)
6. Bertrand Berry (Arizona)
7. Ebenezor Ekuban (Denver)
8. Antonio Smith (Arizona)
9. Dwan Edwards (Baltimore)
10. Michael Montgomery (Green Bay)


MLB

1. Ray Lewis (Baltimore)
2. Karlos Dansby (Arizona)
3. Jonathan Vilma (New Orleans)
4. Mike Peterson (Jacksonville)
5. Channing Crowder (Miami)
6. Eric Barton (NY Jets)
7. Takeo Spikes (San Francisco)
8. Andra Davis (Cleveland)
9. Nate Webster (Denver)
10. Paris Lenon (Detroit)


OLB

1. Bart Scott (Baltimore)
2. Michael Boley (Atlanta)
3. Leroy Hill (Seattle)
4. Angelo Crowell (Buffalo)
5. Marques Harris (San Diego)
6. Clark Haggans (Arizona)
7. Willie McGinnest (Cleveland)
8. D.D. Lewis (Seattle)
9. Shantee Orr (Cleveland)
10. Darryl Blackstock (Cincinnati)


CB

1. Nnamdi Asomugha (Oakland)
2. Dunta Robinson (Houston)
3. Phillip Buchanon (Tampa Bay)
4. Jabari Greer (Buffalo)
5. Bryant McFadden (Pittsburgh)
6. Ronald Bartell Jr (St. Louis)
7. Deltha O'Neal (New England)
8. Justin Miller (NY Jets)
9. Eric Green (Arizona)
10. DeMarcus Faggins (Houston)
11. Ricky Manning Jr (St. Louis)
12. Daven Holly (Cleveland)
13. Domonique Foxworth (Atlanta)
14. Reynaldo Hill (Tennessee)

S

1. Jermaine Phillips (Tampa Bay)
2. Oshiomogho Atogwe (St. Louis)
3. Sean Jones (Cleveland)
4. Darren Sharper (Minnesota)
5. Mike Brown (Chicago)
6. James Butler (NY Giants)
7. Gerald Sensabaugh (Jacksonville)
8. Yeremiah Bell (Miami)
9. Eugene Wilson (Houston)
10. Rodney Harrison (New England)
11. Lawyer Milloy (Atlanta)
12. Will Allen (Tampa Bay)
13. James Sanders (New England)
14. C.C. Brown (Houston)
15. Marlon McCree (Denver)


OFFENSE


QB

1. Kurt Warner (Arizona)
2. Kerry Collins (Tennessee)
3. J.P. Losman (Buffalo)
4. Jeff Garcia (Tampa Bay)
5. Matt Cassel (New England)
6. Kyle Boller (Baltimore)
7. Byron Leftwich (Pittsburgh)
8. Rex Grossman (Chicago)
9. Chris Simms (Tennessee)
10. David Carr (NY Giants)
11. Dan Orlovsky (Detroit)
12. Luke McCown (Tampa Bay)
13. Ryan Fitzpartrick (Cincinnati)
14. Patrick Ramsey (Denver)
15. Charlie Frye (Seattle)


RB

1. Brandon Jacobs (NY Giants)
2. Derrick Ward (NY Giants)
3. Correll Buckhalter (Philadelphia)
4. Darren Sproles (San Diego)
5. Dominic Rhodes (Indianapolis)
6. Rudi Johnson (Detroit)
7. LaMont Jordan (New England)
8. Maurice Morris (Seattle)
9. DeShaun Foster (San Francisco)
10. J.J. Arrington (Arizona)


FB

1. Leonard Weaver (Seattle)
2. Tony Richardson (NY Jets)
3. Terrelle Smith (Arizona)
4. Lorenzo Neal (Baltimore)
5. Dan Kreider (St. Louis)


WR

1. TJ Houshmandzadeh (Cincinnati)
2. Antonio Bryant (Tampa Bay)
3. Brandon Lloyd (Chicago)
4. Bryant Johnson (San Francisco)
5. Nate Washington (Pittsburgh)
6. Amani Toomer (NY Giants)
7. Bobby Engram (Seattle)
8. Brandon Jones (Tennessee)
9. Devery Henderson (New Orleans)
10. Shaun McDonald (Detroit)
11. Darrell Jackson (Denver)
12. Ashley Lelie (Oakland)
13. Justin McCareins (Tennessee)
14. Drew Carter (Oakland)
15. Jabar Gaffney (New England)


TE

1. Bo Scaife (Tennessee)
2. LJ Smith (Philadelphia)
3. Jerramy Stevens (Tampa Bay)
4. Jim Kleinsasser (Minnesota)
5. Will Heller (Seattle)


OT

1. Jordan Gross (Carolina)
2. Mark Tauscher (Green Bay)
3. Vernon Carey (Miami)
4. Tra Thomas (Philadelphia)
5. Jon Runyan (Philadelphia)
6. Marvel Smith (Pittsburgh)
7. Khalif Barnes (Jacksonville)
8. Marc Columbo (Dallas)
9. Willie Colon (Pittsburgh)
10. Max Starks (Pittsburgh)


OG

1. Stacey Andrews (Cincinnati)
2. Mike Goff (San Diego)
3. Pete Kendall (Washington)
4. Chris Kemoeatu (Pittsburgh)
5. Cooper Carlisle (Oakland)
6. Elton Brown (Arizona)
7. Ray Willis (Seattle)
8. Russ Hochstein (New England)
9. Floyd Womack (Seattle)
10. Adrian Jones (Kansas City)


OC

1. Matt Birk (Minnesota)
2. Jeff Saturday (Indianapolis)
3. Jason Brown (Baltimore)
4. Richie Incognito (St. Louis)
5. Tom Nalen (Denver)
6. Eric Heitmann (San Francisco)
7. Brad Meester (Jacksonville)
8. Eric Ghiaciuc (Cincinnati)
9. Melvin Fowler (Buffalo)
10. Jeremy Newberry (San Diego)




Mock Draft Databases


LINK (http://www.hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm) Updated regularly




Mock Drafts


Coming soon.




Sleepers


Thread will be opened after bowl games for different posters top 5 sleepers.




2009 Cap Room


Tampa Bay $26.30 million

Kansas City $22.74 million

Green Bay $20.04 million

Miami $15.33 million

Cincinnati $11.80 million

Buffalo $9.78 million

New Orleans $8.56 million

N.Y. Giants $8.12 million

Philadelphia $7.60 million

Atlanta $7.28 million

Tennessee $7.05 million

San Francisco $6.55 million

Denver $6.45 million

Dallas $6.27 million

Carolina $6.24 million

Jacksonville $5.95 million

Seattle $5.95 million

Cleveland $5.45 million

Indianapolis $5.32 million

New England $3.53 million

Houston $3.52 million

Oakland $3.44 million

Minnesota $2.60 million

San Diego $2.55 million

Arizona $2.39 million

Pittsburgh $2.21 million

Baltimore $1.99 million

Detroit $1.99 million

N.Y. Jets $1.79 million

St. Louis $1.74 million

Washington $1.48 million

Chicago $318,000

For 2008, this was approximately $116 million per team. For 2009, a minimum 6% increase raised this number to at least $123 million.

This is not taking in consideration of how much money all teams are carrying over to next season.




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[Nick]

Broncos Break Down


Cap info coming soon




Combine Events


40-yard dash

Bench press

Three cone drill

Broad jump

Vertical leap

20-yard shuttle

60-yard shuttle

Position specific drills

Physical measurements

NFL team interviews

The Wonderlic Test

The Cybex Test

Injury evaluation




Combine Schedule


To be determined.




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[TR3Y]

Nice thread! :salute:

My selection would be Darren McFadden :rockon:

We would most likely have to vault into the top 10 (if not higher to get him), but at the rate we are going, a 6-10 or 7-9 season isn't out of the question and could land us a top 10 pick....

I LOVE the Broncos and hope they do well the rest of the way, but ever since New Years Eve last season, the Broncos have seemed to be down on their luck....

R.I.P. D-Will and Damien :salute:

[Warhawk]

Nice work, Nick. Much appreciated.

My selection would be Darren McFadden :rockon:

It will never happen. He's gone in the top 5 barring some kind of mass mind control tactics. He might be the only truely "elite" prospect in the draft.

[BroncosTX77]

goto NFL.com and under standings and leagues it gives u the most accurate assessment for draft order up to date after each game is played. I believe it has Denver in the 14th slot

[Nick]

goto NFL.com and under standings and leagues it gives u the most accurate assessment for draft order up to date after each game is played. I believe it has Denver in the 14th slot

Link (http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league)

What you are talking about is the slots of going to playoffs and ahead of people on obtaining a playoff birth. You are reading this as a "inaccurate assessment" for draft order up to date" after each game is played.

I am listing what the draft order if season ended today. This is based on record... then stregth of schedule... then if tied goes to a coin flip. Nothing to do with what you are looking at.

The bases of going to Playoffs is far different then draft picks.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

This thread needs to be stickied. Why is it not? Mods?

[lancane]

;)

Nice thread!

And for the post of McFadden why do that when the first round may be the most loaded with top shelf backs in recent history? Darren McFadden - Arkansas, Jonathan Stewart - Oregon, Rashard Mendenhall - Illinois, Felix Jones - Arkansas and Kevin Smith - Central Florida?

:confused:

Denver could easily walk away if they chose with a first round caliber halfback and Mendenhall or Stewart are more likely then the others!

:D

[Nick]

;)

Nice thread!

And for the post of McFadden why do that when the first round may be the most loaded with top shelf backs in recent history? Darren McFadden - Arkansas, Jonathan Stewart - Oregon, Rashard Mendenhall - Illinois, Felix Jones - Arkansas and Kevin Smith - Central Florida?

:confused:

Denver could easily walk away if they chose with a first round caliber halfback and Mendenhall or Stewart are more likely then the others!

:D

but in addition to the amount of solid backs in first round and the solid depth at wide receivers in the first couple rounds... There should be a lot of people fall. This is the year to have alot more pick in the first couple rounds.

[lancane]

but in addition to the amount of solid backs in first round and the solid depth at wide receivers in the first couple rounds... There should be a lot of people fall. This is the year to have alot more pick in the first couple rounds.

Sadly unlike the wideout department the halfbacks will not be anything great come the latter third round and on. Second day possibles would be Kalvin McRae from Ohio and possibly Calvin Dawson from Louisiana-Monroe. And even then none could be the caliber of the top five in this years draft. Whereas receivers, solid receivers will be their throughout: My steal of the draft is the wideout from Duquesne, Bruce Hocker at 6'4, 205lbs. a 4.44 forty and averaging 17 yards per catch he could be a steal in the second day.

:cheers:

[Nick]

Sadly unlike the wideout department the halfbacks will not be anything great come the latter third round and on. Second day possibles would be Kalvin McRae from Ohio and possibly Calvin Dawson from Louisiana-Monroe. And even then none could be the caliber of the top five in this years draft. Whereas receivers, solid receivers will be their throughout: My steal of the draft is the wideout from Duquesne, Bruce Hocker at 6'4, 205lbs. a 4.44 forty and averaging 17 yards per catch he could be a steal for in the second day.

:cheers:

But with the top five caliber backs in this draft and the amount of talent in the first round in all other catagories. I do not see all 5 going in first. I see atleast 2 going in 2nd round.

[lancane]

But with the top five caliber backs in this draft and the amount of talent in the first round in all other catagories. I do not see all 5 going in first. I see atleast 2 going in 2nd round.

Wow...you are one of the first! And still I can not, maybe one and he would be gone before the top ten in the second round. Denver if they want a top caliber halfback will have to pull the trigger early. And there will be quality pushed elswhere as is...I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not see a way for Denver...without selling the farm getting into position for a topshelf back after the first round.

[Nick]

Wow...you are one of the first! And still I can not, maybe one and he would be gone before the top ten in the second round. Denver if they want a top caliber halfback will have to pull the trigger early. And there will be quality pushed elswhere as is...I am not saying you are wrong, I just do not see a way for Denver...without selling the farm getting into position for a topshelf back after the first round.

ohhh I do not think any will fall to Denver. I just think a couple will fall out of first round and be a early 2nd round.

How ever I see the Broncos with far bigger needs then RB.

[lancane]

ohhh I do not think any will fall to Denver. I just think a couple will fall out of first round and be a early 2nd round.

How ever I see the Broncos with far bigger needs then RB.

I do and don't, yes we need a big line eating tackle; Okam though is going to be mid to high teens and Sedrick Ellis even if available will not fit well in Denver...Kenny Phillips is a good pickup, but I think he will be long gone. I surely do not see Shanahan throwing top dollar on another linebacker...So how do you see them drafting? I have my early mock draft done already! But I would like to see how you have them drafting with the lack of positioning they will have, even if they moved up.

:cheers:

[Nick]

I do and don't, yes we need a big line eating tackle; Okam though is going to be mid to high teens and Sedrick Ellis even if available will not fit well in Denver...Kenny Phillips is a good pickup, but I think he will be long gone. I surely do not see Shanahan throwing top dollar on another linebacker...So how do you see them drafting? I have my early mock draft done already! But I would like to see how you have them drafting with the lack of positioning they will have, even if they moved up.

:cheers:

I really have not done a mock yet. As far as how I would like them drafting is trading down. Aquiring more picks.

If we stand put at lets say 12... Ellis or Phillips whom ever drops to us. As far as Okam. I would not mind but think he will be available in 20-25 pick. So I would rather trade down and pick him up. Shanny is known for reaching for people though. If Phillips does not come out or he is already selected... I do not want the Broncos to select a Saftey in the other rounds. Their is however some talent at deffensive tackle in the second round.

I see our broncos getting a wide reciever on first day though.

In addition I do not see them getting a running back early.

I do not see them getting offensive line early and there will be very talented bunch of players in the second day that will be great on our team.

I mean how awsome would that for the Broncos to come up with Limas swead out of Texas, Bennet whom as a great relationship on field with Cutler and Okam!

Cutler is a gun slinger with no weapons.

I will mess around with all of this... I just hating not knowing what juniors are going to come out. So will try and make a detailed draft as to my thoughts on selections. Maybe in a week (Over Christmas weekend).

- all over the place

[lancane]

I really have not done a mock yet. As far as how I would like them drafting is trading down. Aquiring more picks.

If we stand put at lets say 12... Ellis or Phillips whom ever drops to us. As far as Okam. I would not mind but think he will be available in 20-25 pick. So I would rather trade down and pick him up. Shanny is known for reaching for people though. If Phillips does not come out or he is already selected... I do not want the Broncos to select a Saftey in the other rounds. Their is however some talent at deffensive tackle in the second round.

I see our broncos getting a wide reciever on first day though.

In addition I do not see them getting a running back early.

I do not see them getting offensive line early and there will be very talented bunch of players in the second day that will be great on our team.

I mean how awsome would that for the Broncos to come up with Limas swead out of Texas, Bennet whom as a great relationship on field with Cutler and Okam!

Cutler is a gun slinger with no weapons.

I will mess around with all of this... I just hating not knowing what juniors are going to come out. So will try and make a detailed draft as to my thoughts on selections. Maybe in a week (Over Christmas weekend).

- all over the place

Phillips declared for the draft near two days ago I believe...and I still do not see him dropping to us. Sedrick Ellis, you can count him out pretty much he neither fits the defense we have and is more a pass rushing tackle and that is far from needed in Bates's system. Receiver will not happen in the first, no matter what people would like to believe...even offensive tackle is a longshot when Denver will look for a veteran to step it up immediatley and not wait a year or two. Shanahan could trade down as you stated, but I do not see that happening, he did that before and all the picks are no longer on the squad, since gaining ground in the past four he has a better overall draft record...I know he watches it, so the only way I see them going in the first is if Phillips drops to us, maybe Ryan Clady, Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart!

[Nick]

Phillips declared for the draft near two days ago I believe...and I still do not see him dropping to us. Sedrick Ellis, you can count him out pretty much he neither fits the defense we have and is more a pass rushing tackle and that is far from needed in Bates's system. Receiver will not happen in the first, no matter what people would like to believe...even offensive tackle is a longshot when Denver will look for a veteran to step it up immediatley and not wait a year or two. Shanahan could trade down as you stated, but I do not see that happening, he did that before and all the picks are no longer on the squad, since gaining ground in the past four he has a better overall draft record...I know he watches it, so the only way I see them going in the first is if Phillips drops to us, maybe Ryan Clady, Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart!

I just can not see the Broncos getting a running back in the first day. I will not be suprised if they reach a little for Okam though if Ellis is gone, But Ellis is by far the 2nd best DT in draft. He is not bad what so ever against the run. He will be able to provide great penetration in NFL. Just not a clogger.

Clady reminds me of Levi Brown.

I do see the Cowboys moving up in this draft and would love the broncos to be part of that.

If they stay put Both DT's gone (Dorsey, Ellis) and Phillips... and they do not reach for okam whom is a late round 1... and do not trade down.

They will go LB. Rivers or Conner.

[lancane]

I just can not see the Broncos getting a running back in the first day. I will not be suprised if they reach a little for Okam though if Ellis is gone, But Ellis is by far the 2nd best DT in draft. He is not bad what so ever against the run. He will be able to provide great penetration in NFL. Just not a clogger.

Clady reminds me of Levi Brown.

I do see the Cowboys moving up in this draft and would love the broncos to be part of that.

If they stay put Both DT's gone (Dorsey, Ellis) and Phillips... and they do not reach for okam whom is a late round 1... and do not trade down.

They will go LB. Rivers or Conner.

And that is a problem, the Bates system wants a clogger not a tackle better known for penetration like Ellis. If we were running the Coyle 4-3 then Ellis would be a good fit, but Bates had to scrap his system by week four because the lack of ability to use his system and you think they would pick another who does not fit the system?

We will just have to differ on the point! ;)

[Nick]

And that is a problem, the Bates system wants a clogger not a tackle better known for penetration like Ellis. If we were running the Coyle 4-3 then Ellis would be a good fit, but Bates had to scrap his system by week four because the lack of ability to use his system and you think they would pick another who does not fit the system?

We will just have to differ on the point! ;)

I understand Bates system and what we need on the D Line but you can not pass up better talent to have a clogger.

I know he likes the DT's to plug the middle so ends can do what they need to do. Which make me not suprised if they reach for okam or trade down to aquire him or Red in 2nd... Either way both will be a reach where we will be drafting right now.

Drafting BPA > Need is my philosophy

We can also get Jason Shirly in the 4th...

- I am really high on B.J. Raji and hope he comes out this year.

How would you rank the DT's this draft. As far as the run stuffing cloggers?

[Nick]

In this order (Raji will be a first - 2nd rounder if he goes back to school next year.)

Frank Okam

Red Bryant

B.J. Raji

Nick Hayden

Jason Shirley

Frank Morton

James McClinton

[AllEyezOnZach27]

I just saw this interesting trade offer on this website and was curious what you think...

9. Dallas deals Roy Williams and Bobby Carpenter to Denver for Tim Crowder, Selvin Young and their 08 1nd round pick. Dallas has some cap issues on the horizon with DeMarcus Ware, TO, Newman, Henry, etc all coming up within a year or so of each other. Roy is the most tradeable of these players, and they pick up a RB talent, along with a great 3-4 DE fit in Crowder. The Dallas fans will howl over this one, but its Roy or Ware or Newman-one has to go-take your pick.


I personally would love this trade. Getting Roy Williams upgrades the S position and getting Bobby Carpenter to play SLB AND we get their 1st round pick this year (which would be around the 25-31 area. All we are doing is giving up Crowder who was a 2nd RD last year (we can resign ekuban). Selvin Young was an UDFA and still hasnt proven he can stay healthy and get the tough yards. This is a steal IMO

http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/

[Max Power]

I just saw this interesting trade offer on this website and was curious what you think...

9. Dallas deals Roy Williams and Bobby Carpenter to Denver for Tim Crowder, Selvin Young and their 08 1nd round pick. Dallas has some cap issues on the horizon with DeMarcus Ware, TO, Newman, Henry, etc all coming up within a year or so of each other. Roy is the most tradeable of these players, and they pick up a RB talent, along with a great 3-4 DE fit in Crowder. The Dallas fans will howl over this one, but its Roy or Ware or Newman-one has to go-take your pick.

http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/

That's a terrible trade for us. Roy Williams can't cover and can only bring down ball carriers by horse-collaring them. Bobby Carpenter has proven nothing. And we have to throw it a 1st rounder into the deal! Ridiculous. That guy must be a Cowboys fan.

[AllEyezOnZach27]

That's a terrible trade for us. Roy Williams can't cover and can only bring down ball carriers by horse-collaring them. Bobby Carpenter has proven nothing. And we have to throw it a 1st rounder into the deal! Ridiculous. That guy must be a Cowboys fan.

Wow I was reading that completely wrong. I though we got THEIR 1st rounder. Yeah never mind about that. HAHAHA one of those days! :goofy:

[Nick]

I can see the Broncos trading with Dallas but it would look like this:

Dallas acquire Broncos 1st rd(12th pick).

Broncos acquire Dallas's 1st round (31st pick)

Broncos acquire Cleveland's 1st rd through Dallas (22nd pick).

The value is in favor of us by 180. That is if the season ended today. So we might package a couple later round picks or something. Dallas when trading with Cleveland thought they would be obtaining a high draft choice. Look for them to trade up for a big playmaker.

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[hardcorebronco]

Updated. Added Team Needs (all Teams). Please add any thoughts on this. :salute:

Below is a little more in depth look at people above us in drafting.


In Depth - Pack race



St. Louis (3-11) .473

PIT // @ ARI

Atlanta (3-11) .473

@ ARI // SEA

New York Jets (3-11) .516

@ TEN // KC

San Francisco (4-10) .469

TB // @ CLE

Kansas City (4-10) .516

@ DET // @ NYJ

Oakland (4-10) .539

JAC // SD

Baltimore (4-10) .508

@ SEA // PIT

Cincinnati (5-9) .512

CLE // @ MIA

Chicago (5-9) .465

GB // NO

Arizona (6-8) .461

ATL // STL

Denver (6-8) .504

@ SD // MIN

Realistically I can see us losing one of the two games, maybe even losing both! Which is disheartening, yet nice to know we get a higher draft pick.

On the other hand, there are several other teams there than look to be able to win some of those other games. Arizona could possibly win both their last few games, as well as Cincinnati even. Who knows!

Keep up the great analysis though nick! It has been enjoyable to see you keep up on the the latest info! lol! :D:salute:

[jhildebrand]

GREAT THREAD NICK!

I have a thread below this with all the #12 picks going back to 1990. Quite a few studs and only a few busts. I hope people check it out.

[Broncos_Rampage]

I just saw this interesting trade offer on this website and was curious what you think...

9. Dallas deals Roy Williams and Bobby Carpenter to Denver for Tim Crowder, Selvin Young and their 08 1nd round pick. Dallas has some cap issues on the horizon with DeMarcus Ware, TO, Newman, Henry, etc all coming up within a year or so of each other. Roy is the most tradeable of these players, and they pick up a RB talent, along with a great 3-4 DE fit in Crowder. The Dallas fans will howl over this one, but its Roy or Ware or Newman-one has to go-take your pick.


I personally would love this trade. Getting Roy Williams upgrades the S position and getting Bobby Carpenter to play SLB AND we get their 1st round pick this year (which would be around the 25-31 area. All we are doing is giving up Crowder who was a 2nd RD last year (we can resign ekuban). Selvin Young was an UDFA and still hasnt proven he can stay healthy and get the tough yards. This is a steal IMO

http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/

I dont like the trade. but its probably a decent one. looks as though they hate the broncos.

44. Denver Broncos: Dwight Lowery Cb San Jose State. Chump is getting old quickly(how he made the pro bowl is beyond me) and Bly is getting inconsistent. Lowery needs some shaping, but has a knack for the ball.

[Nick]

Updated.

First post.

:salute:

[Nick]

In Depth - Pack race


San Francisco (5-10) .469

@ CLE

Cincinnati (6-9) .512

@ MIA

Denver (6-9) .504

MIN

Miami (1-14) Jets (3-12) Atlanta (3-12) St. Louis (3-12) Baltimore (4-11) Kansas City (4-11) and Oakland (4-11) out of the picture.

We have the tenth selection right now. Will be able to move up 1 more spot if cincy wins and we lose. That will put us at #9. Niners have the tie breaker over us.

[jlhawkins9]

If we win, how far can we fall?

[Nick]

If we win, how far can we fall?

Depends who wins and loses.

It is possible for us to fall down to #14 or #15 if all the teams that we would want to win, Lose. And we win.

If Cincy beats Miami. We lose. We go up one spot. That will give us 9th pick.

[jlhawkins9]

Thanks so anywhere from 9-15. Im going to the game Sunday, so I guess I win either way!! IM 5-0 at games!!!

[matty21]

I just saw this interesting trade offer on this website and was curious what you think...

9. Dallas deals Roy Williams and Bobby Carpenter to Denver for Tim Crowder, Selvin Young and their 08 1nd round pick. Dallas has some cap issues on the horizon with DeMarcus Ware, TO, Newman, Henry, etc all coming up within a year or so of each other. Roy is the most tradeable of these players, and they pick up a RB talent, along with a great 3-4 DE fit in Crowder. The Dallas fans will howl over this one, but its Roy or Ware or Newman-one has to go-take your pick.


I personally would love this trade. Getting Roy Williams upgrades the S position and getting Bobby Carpenter to play SLB AND we get their 1st round pick this year (which would be around the 25-31 area. All we are doing is giving up Crowder who was a 2nd RD last year (we can resign ekuban). Selvin Young was an UDFA and still hasnt proven he can stay healthy and get the tough yards. This is a steal IMO

http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/

Steal?!?! The Cowboy's are the one's getting the steal. Roy William's is a horrible cover safety and he will want money. That's the worst thing the Bronco's could do. Not to mention give away a first rounder, and two young talents in Young and Crowder.

[Nick]

We are drafting at #11 or 12

Cincy is above us because of the win. Congrats on Broncos winning last game and going into off season on a positive note. We played against a Vikings team that was playing their A plus game. We did absolutly great at stopping the run but showed a huge weakness on our pass rush... except for Dumerville.

Winbourn has been really stepping up and with the depth of Webster and Gold. I will put OLB need below DT and Saftey. It should help out a lot if we are able to add a True NT. This draft is going to be very weak at any "True" Nose Tackle. With only Okam in the mix. There are some in later rounds but are to much of a risk and how important of a need it is for our team.

In addition the free agency is also very very light at DT.

Saftey is going to be the next biggest need for our deffense. Lynch has been a big liability in any coverage.

If we draft on Deffense look for the Broncos to select Okam with the 12th pick or Phillips if he drops. They might take a hard look at Conner from Penn State or Laurinaitis if declares and drops.

With Cincy in front of us now... It is huge. It basically means Clady and Ellis is not going to drop to us. Cincy has a big need at OT and DT. We are picking in front of Carolina which has the biggest need for a saftey BUT great safties normally will go in the top 10... Specially with a very weak Saftey draft.

Now if the Broncos go offense early look for them to pick up a OT, RB, or a WR. OT is by far the biggest need for us but because of the quality players in the first day at WR and RB... Do not put it past Shanny.

[Nick]

I am about 95 percent sure this is accurate on draft order up to date. (1st post) :salute:

[The Caped Crusader]

There will be a coin flip between the Bills and Broncos to decide who gets the 11th and 12 picks. There will also be a coinflip between Kansas City, Oakland and New York.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=31781&cat=6

[Nick]

Updated and 100 percent accurate. :salute:

[The Caped Crusader]

This article says that Buffalo gets the 11th pick because of head to head matchup.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5773

[Nick]

This article says that Buffalo gets the 11th pick because of head to head matchup.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5773

Head to head has nothing to do with the order.

[The Caped Crusader]

Head to head has nothing to do with the order.

That's what I thought to, but someone posted that at a different forum so I figured I would pass it on.

[BroncosTX77]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d805a3a57&template=without-video&confirm=true


2008 NFL Draft order

NFL.com

Bill Parcells' Miami Dolphins are officially on the clock, as the 2008 NFL Draft order is tentatively in place following the conclusion of the 2007 regular season.
2008 draft order
No. Team W L Pct. Strength of schedule Opponents' record
1 Miami Dolphins 1 15 .063 .539 138-118
2 St. Louis Rams 3 13 .188 .512 131-125
3 Atlanta Falcons # 4 12 .250 .516 132-124
4 Oakland Raiders # 4 12 .250 .516 132-124
5 Kansas City Chiefs # 4 12 .250 .516 132-124
6 New York Jets 4 12 .250 .523 134-122
7 San Francisco 49ers 5 11 .313 .465 119-137
8 Baltimore Ravens 5 11 .313 .516 132-124
9 Cincinnati Bengals 7 9 .438 ..461 118-138
10 New Orleans Saints 7 9 .438 .480 123-133
11 Buffalo Bills 7 9 .438 .516 132-124
12 Denver Broncos 7 9 .438 .516 132-124
13 Carolina Panthers 7 9 .438 .523 134-122
14 Chicago Bears 7 9 .438 .543 139-117
15 Detroit Lions 7 9 .438 .543 139-117
16 Arizona Cardinals 8 8 .500 .434 111-145
17 Minnesota Vikings 8 8 .500 .504 129-127
18 Houston Texans 8 8 .500 .516 132-124
19 Philadelphia Eagles 8 8 .500 .563 144-112
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers * 9 7 .563 .469 120-136
21 Washington Redskins * 9 7 .563 .555 142-114
22 Cleveland Browns * 10 6 .625 .430 110-146
23 Seattle Seahawks * 10 6 .625 .414 106-150
24 Pittsburgh Steelers * 10 6 .625 .453 116-140
25 Tennessee Titans * 10 6 .625 .500 128-128
26 New York Giants * 10 6 .625 .516 132-124
27 San Diego Chargers * 11 5 .688 .500 128-128
28 Jacksonville Jaguars * 11 5 .688 .516 132-124
29 Green Bay Packers * 13 3 .813 .469 120-136
30 Dallas Cowboys * 13 3 .813 .496 127-129
31 Indianapolis Colts * 13 3 .813 .516 132-124
32 New England Patriots * 16 0 1.000 .469 120-136


* -- Subject to playoffs
# -- Subject to coin flip

Priority of playoff clubs within a tied segment is based on their advancement in the playoffs, but they do not drop out of their tied segment unless they participate in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl champion will select 32nd and the runner-up 31st.

Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of the Chiefs’ 3-11 record in common games while the Raiders were 2-12), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position; if Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions.

Though Buffalo and Denver had the same strength-of-schedule, their tie for the 11th and 12th positions was broken by the conference tiebreaker. Since the Broncos defeated the Bills in head-to-head competition, Buffalo is given priority in the draft order and will select in the 11th position, with Denver in the 12th position.

Though Chicago and Detroit had the same strength-of-schedule, their tie for the 14th and 15th positions was broken by the divisional tiebreaker. Since the Lions defeated the Bears twice in head-to-head competition, Chicago is given priority in the draft order and will select in the 14th position, with Detroit in the 15th position.

Since Cleveland is not in the playoffs, the Browns have priority in the draft ahead of playoff teams with the same record.

Clubs involved in two-club ties will alternate positions from round-to-round. In ties that involve three or more clubs, the club at the top of a tied segment in a given round will move to the bottom of the segment for the next round, while all other clubs in the segment move up one position. This rotation continues throughout the draft.

[Nick]

Thanks BroncosTX.

I kept the same on first post but I added what you put on there in reference to NFL.Com.


You would think...

- Kansas City picks before Oakland because conferance record even though division record is tied.

- Chicago picks before Detroit because of division record... even though conferance record is tied.

- Broncos have tie breaker because of division record... even though conferance record is tied.

I never heard of a tie breaker with head to head until last night.

[Nick]

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft) It seems is basing off NFL.com but does not seem that Bills and Broncos is concrete.

[Road_Apples]

So Elam kicking that RW stadium field goal cost a draft position; and Elam kicking the last field goal of the year cost us two more.

Seems that Elam character "has to go" ;)

[Nick]

U updated the first couple posts with the correct #12 pick for our Broncos.

"But" do not agree with it.

[smithalltheway]

i think if we could go out and bring jarred allen in here that would be sweet. im not sure of a great dt but what we have should be good. as for the ol base it were screwed. nalen will prolly look and see that he has hurt the team and leave same will go with big hamilton. althought i dont want to see that happen, i have a strong feeling its gonna be real. allen fannica would be a great asset too or trade for Nick Mangold. i think were ok with what we have at wr's, but if we could get chad johnson with cutlers strong arm holy molly we would be unstoppable in the air.

[trav69187]

Six words... Trade up to get Jake Long! I really wish we would've lost to Minnesota. It would have put us in a more practical striking distance for him. He is I think the second best player in the draft.

[Nick]

Six words... Trade up to get Jake Long! I really wish we would've lost to Minnesota. It would have put us in a more practical striking distance for him. He is I think the second best player in the draft.

I think trading down will be a lot more viable options. We have a lot of holes not one. Plus he will go in the top 5.

That would be very costly.

I think it would be a horrible move. Speicially with the quality OT's in this draft.

[trav69187]

i think if we could go out and bring jarred allen in here that would be sweet. im not sure of a great dt but what we have should be good. as for the ol base it were screwed. nalen will prolly look and see that he has hurt the team and leave same will go with big hamilton. althought i dont want to see that happen, i have a strong feeling its gonna be real. allen fannica would be a great asset too or trade for Nick Mangold. i think were ok with what we have at wr's, but if we could get chad johnson with cutlers strong arm holy molly we would be unstoppable in the air.

Maybe then we can trade Cutler for Tom Brady and then trade our crappy o-line for Hutchinson, Jones, Light, Mankins, and Birk. Then we can trade Gold and Webster for Briggs and Urlacher. Pick up Kerney... and maybe somehow get SD to give us Tomlinson for our 7th round draft pick... Sounds great to me!!! Let's do it!

[armchair scout]

Six words... Trade up to get Jake Long! I really wish we would've lost to Minnesota. It would have put us in a more practical striking distance for him. He is I think the second best player in the draft.

Long would be great on our line, if we can get him. We may be just as well to pick up a good blocking fullback in the second or third round. I really want to see Owen Schmitt from West Virginia come to Denver. Our problems are on defense and we should keep that in mind, though Long would be worth the pick if he slips to 12. Another late round offensive player I want is Adrian Arrington. His stats were not huge, but he played stellar when it counted as a second WR in Michigan, 158 yds and 2 tds (two of his catches were spectacular one handers. He also blew by every coverage that they threw at him in the bowl game.

Defense needs attention. Our best linebacker is DJ Williams. I want to see him moved to the outside. We could draft Jo-Lonn Dunbar in the third round. He is smart, fast, intense, and a natural leader out of BC. I like Ellis (DT) and Rivers (OLB) out of USC as potential first round choices. THe first three rounds should go to defense if we do not get any big name free agents. We will need to spend an early pick on a safety to replace Lynch even if he comes back. We need a sixteen game guy.


The offensive line could be a focus on the second day of the draft. We already have some really good linemen and the college prospects are deep this year. Any first round free safeties out there? What about West Virginia?

[armchair scout]

I would really like to see us compete for Lance Briggs and Alex Brown out of Chicago. This would free our draft options.

[Ed Canfield]

I would like to see Kenny Philips in a Broncos uniform.
I realize that we have other more apparent needs, but this kid is a playmaker !!

[sethqp]

Denver Broncos 2008 draft ( barring trades ):

rd1: A. Sedrick Ellis (DT), USC or B. Kenny Phillips (FS), Miami
rd2. A. If Kenny Phillips (FS), Miami is rd1 choice, then Frank Okam (DT), Texas if available, but that is unlikely, so B. choice should be Michael Oher (OT), Ole Miss
rd4a. Beau Bell (LB), UNLV
rd4b. Craig Steltz (SS), LSU
rd5a. Amarri Jackson (WR), S. Florida
rd5b. Jordon Dizon (LB), CU
rd7. Best OL available

If neither Sedrick Ellis or Frank Okam are taken, then the first person we sign in June needs to be the best DT available. We need to get our D-line in shape or we will never contend for anything.

I think the above plan gets us a stud on the defensive side of the ball, maybe a great OT, and then fills in several holes with quality players.

[sethqp]

I think we need to package Javon and Domonique for a 3rd round pick just to get them out of Denver. Javon needs to go, period. Dominique is infuriating at times, and can easily be replaced by Paymah.

If we can get a 3rd round pick then we could add another high end o-lineman. Then my draft would likely yield a FS, OT, OL, LB, SS, WR, LB, and OL. Fill in a young DT free agent, and we would have an awesome young core of players with several holes filled in moving into next year.

We should not draft a WR or RB with pick #12, as that could easily spell BUST. Just ask Detroit how their 1st round WR picks have gone, not to mention Denver's.

[knoepke84]

it would be an awesome pickup if we could get jared allen from kc, or a julius peppers, or even a frustrated jason taylor out of miami, all three of these guys have passion that rod smith had been qouted as saying some players on this team lack...how bout javon walker and travis henry to minnesota for chester taylor and a late pick? as for the draft, early d. out of LSU would be nice, or desean Jackson out of cal for his added explosiveness at the return position. the sheer locker room presence of al wilson back in the orange and blue would be great!!!
we could also defenitely use a run stuffer that's actually in football shape(sorry sam adams) maybe somehow denver can pull something off there or maybe we will see marcus thomas stronger next season.

rod smith for receiver's coach
terrell davis for rb coach, lol

[armchair scout]

I think we need to package Javon and Domonique for a 3rd round pick just to get them out of Denver. Javon needs to go, period. Dominique is infuriating at times, and can easily be replaced by Paymah.

If we can get a 3rd round pick then we could add another high end o-lineman. Then my draft would likely yield a FS, OT, OL, LB, SS, WR, LB, and OL. Fill in a young DT free agent, and we would have an awesome young core of players with several holes filled in moving into next year.

We should not draft a WR or RB with pick #12, as that could easily spell BUST. Just ask Detroit how their 1st round WR picks have gone, not to mention Denver's.


THis is just my idea while scouring the free agency list for need and players. COuld we work something out that sends Javon Walker (and possibly a DL) to Jacksonville for Spicer?

I have to say it again, I think we would be draft day heroes if we can get our hands on Adrian Arrington (WR) from Michigan. He won't go too early and he will be a superstar in the NFL.

[armchair scout]

Spicer is listed UFA. We don't need to trade for him. Jacksonville needs a WR. They are deep on the defensive line and a trade could free up our draft options.

THe more I look at it, I really hope that Kenny Phillips or Sedrick Ellis fall to the 12th pick. With the need of teams drafting before us, it could happen.

[tommytbone]

I have to say after some thought today on this subject I realize our biggest needs are Oline and Dline and there are a couple of good picks but not sure if they will be there at 12. My thought is what about another big time physical receiver to complement Brandon Marshall? Then O/Dline in the second and maybe a runningback/return man later on. We obviously don't have issues finding rb's. There are 3 stud big physical receivers and they have 2 of them being on the board by our pic. The kid out of Indiana and Sweed from Texas. All 3 are around 6'3-6'5 and 215-225lbs. If they turn out to be similar to Brandon Marshall we put Stokely back in the slot and run an offense pass attack similar to the Colts. If the line holds up long enough to throw downfield you do and you have 2 physical receivers that can't be tackled one on one. Then if we could get a good fast back similar to a Reggie Bush type to run screens out of the backfield you have physical receivers to block for extra yardage. I was looking at some mock drafts and there are several RB's that are fast and elusive that can catch out of the backfield that might be there in late second to third rounds of the draft. This would be our second pick. It would take pressure off our Oline and Jay wouldn't have to hold the ball long and we obviously have no problem with our Oline when it comes to rushing. The only issue would be Dline and Marcus Thomas is getting better, Crowder will get better and we can only hope that Jarvis Moss is healthy and plays like he did at Florida. The only other areas would be safety and what to do about LB. We could look in free agency for that area and draft young next year for those two. However there are a couple of good saftey prospects that should be around in the third round and it is possible we unload Javon Walker for some picks and get a third round to address the safety (I like Steltz out of LSU). He is very physical and similar to John Lynch. Not super fast but put in at SS and Abdullah at FS and Lynch will probably retire next year so we have a year to groom Steltz. Well, just some thoughts while we had no football action this weekend.

[Schism]

Just re-reading the OP.

Does San Diego really have no picks after their 1st round pick until the 5th round? Would appear they've traded their picks from Rounds 2-4 away.

Not that they're full of holes or anything, just thought it was very suprising to see. Still think they were silly not trading Michael Turner last year when he was a RFA.

[Nick]

Updated a few things (http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=107255)(post 1 and 2). :salute:

[Nick]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/live


Starting 2-23, live streaming occurs from 11am-2pm ET.

[Nick]

Chiefs | Team to select fifth
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:29:19 -0800

The Sporting News reports after a complicated coin-flip process Friday, Feb. 22, at the NFL Scouting Combine, it was determined that the Kansas City Chiefs have the fifth overall selection in the 2008 NFL Draft. The Atlanta Falcons won the initial toss against the Oakland Raiders; had they lost, there would have been a second toss between the Falcons and Chiefs to determine who would pick fourth. All three teams finished with the same strength of schedule. However, the Raiders carried a tiebreaker against the Chiefs because they finished behind them with a worse record in games versus common opponents.


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Raiders | Team to select fourth
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:16:45 -0800

The Sporting News reports after a complicated coin-flip process Friday, Feb. 22, at the NFL Scouting Combine, it was determined that the Oakland Raiders have the No. 4 overall selection in the 2008 NFL Draft. Oakland lost the initial toss to the Atlanta Falcons; had they won, there would have been a second toss between the Falcons and Kansas City Chiefs to determine who would pick fourth. All three teams finished with the same strength of schedule. However, the Raiders carried a tiebreaker against the Chiefs because they finished behind them with a worse record in games versus common opponents.


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Falcons | Team wins coin flip
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:13:35 -0800

The Sporting News reports the Atlanta Falcons won a complicated coin-flip process Friday, Feb. 22, at the NFL Scouting Combine to determine draft order in 2008. In the first round, the Falcons will select third in the 2008 NFL Draft.

[cloud of dust]

Sadly unlike the wideout department the halfbacks will not be anything great come the latter third round and on. Second day possibles would be Kalvin McRae from Ohio and possibly Calvin Dawson from Louisiana-Monroe. And even then none could be the caliber of the top five in this years draft. Whereas receivers, solid receivers will be their throughout: My steal of the draft is the wideout from Duquesne, Bruce Hocker at 6'4, 205lbs. a 4.44 forty and averaging 17 yards per catch he could be a steal in the second day.

:cheers:

another guy like that is Jordy Nelson. Big and fast and tough-good #2 receiver.

[Bronco Master 911]

Come on guys Ryan Clady! :smug:

[2CHAMP4]

If we stay put at 12 we should take Desean Jackson. Theres plenty of tackles we can get later in the draft. Jackson can fill our wholes in the return game and as a number 2 receiver.

[steveatwater5]

but you forgot one person to watch for our future safety Tom Zbikowski lol I realy hope we get him

[sleepy]

Trade our 12 for Philadelphia's 19, 49 picks.

19= Chris Williams, OT or Kenny Phillips S (one of them will be there)
42= Dan Connor ILB or Sam Baker, OT (one of them will be there)
49= Chris Johnson RB/KR (This is the guy I really want this draft)
108= Jonathan Goff, ILB or Mike McGlynn, OG
119= Oniel Cousins OT
139= Ahtyba Rubin DT
148= Peyton Hillis FB
183= Wesley Woodyard, S
220= Kenneth Moore WR/PR/KR
227= Marcel Reece WR/HB

[johnnynow]

Sleepy, I like your thinking on the draft essentials. O-Line, D-Line, Strong up the spine of the defense. Competition at LB. Take a tough SOB at LB or Safety if one is there. Stockpile the core.

As for taking a candyland WR with a high draft pick and getting line help in the late rounds, I guess you could get lucky. Is there a "can't miss" WR there at #12? And if we trade down, is there one at #19 or #22? I just see, from looking at a couple of (nameless) NFL teams, that the whole offense gets a whole lot better when the QB has 1-2 more seconds.

[DSee8269]

Trade our 12 for Philadelphia's 19, 49 picks.

19= Chris Williams, OT or Kenny Phillips S (one of them will be there)
42= Dan Connor ILB or Sam Baker, OT (one of them will be there)
49= Chris Johnson RB/KR (This is the guy I really want this draft)
108= Jonathan Goff, ILB or Mike McGlynn, OG
119= Oniel Cousins OT
139= Ahtyba Rubin DT
148= Peyton Hillis FB
183= Wesley Woodyard, S
220= Kenneth Moore WR/PR/KR
227= Marcel Reece WR/HB

Chris Williams will most likely be gone at 19 because the teams picking behind us (Carolina, Chicago, Detroit) all have needs at OT. If we do trade down Id like to see us take Kentwan Balmer DT from UNC or Jerod Mayo LB UT. Im not a big Kenny Phillips fan. Ive seen him play in person a number of times and hes overrated. The only reason people compare him to E Reed and Sean Taylor is because he wears a Miami uniform.

[Nick]

I CANT WAIT!!! :rockon:

[RunYouOver]

2 hours and 45 minutes to go.:cheers:

[Nick]

I am counting down :rockon:

[GridironChamp]

I wish it started at 12 still :(

[Nick]

I wish it started at 12 still :(

It does start at 12 here... In PST :D

I agree, I miss when it started at nine... Get some McDonalds breakfast and a mocha before my eyes open up and watch the pre stuff...

They should have not changed it.

[BaileyBurns]

I don't like this change from 10:00 to 1:00...Used to I'd only be well-oiled by the start. Now I'll be ripped to the **** before we pick.

[GridironChamp]

Jake Long
Chris Long
Now it sounds like Matt Ryan...

I'd opt for Dorsey, since he is the best player in the draft.

[BroncFanIN]

lots of potential movement!
Ravens on the phone with Rams..
Raiders on the phone with New Orleans...
:goofy:

[PacSmalls]

lots of potential movement!
Ravens on the phone with Rams..
Raiders on the phone with New Orleans...
:goofy:

hopefully the raiders dont do something smart and trade down instead of adding another rb to their plethora of RB's.

[BroncFanIN]

hopefully the raiders dont do something smart and trade down instead of adding another rb to their plethora of RB's.

:salute::salute:

[RunYouOver]

lots of potential movement!
Ravens on the phone with Rams..
Raiders on the phone with New Orleans...
:goofy:

I've heard plenty of Ravens Rams, what's the scoop on Raiders-Saints?

[PacSmalls]

I've heard plenty of Ravens Rams, what's the scoop on Raiders-Saints?

i havent heard it but my guess is that since it looks like ryan is going to ATL that the saints are trying to get dorsey @ 4.

[GridironChamp]

I've heard plenty of Ravens Rams, what's the scoop on Raiders-Saints?

So the Saints can take Dorsey before KC has a chance to...

Although KC still seems set on the idea of trading down, which would be really easy if Dorsey is there at 5. But if the Raiders do pass on McFadden, I wonder who will make a move to trade up on him...


This draft will have alot of moving, so i should stop before i look even dumber. :rockon:

[PacSmalls]

So the Saints can take Dorsey before KC has a chance to...

Although KC still seems set on the idea of trading down, which would be really easy if Dorsey is there at 5. But if the Raiders do pass on McFadden, I wonder who will make a move to trade up on him...


This draft will have alot of moving, so i should stop before i look even dumber. :rockon:

jerry jones lol

[RunYouOver]

I still think the Jets take McFadden at 6

[PacSmalls]

I still think the Jets take McFadden at 6

oh yeah...there is no way he gets past the jets.

[RunYouOver]

Wow, did anyone just see that throw from Flacco? :eek:

[PacSmalls]

Wow, did anyone just see that throw from Flacco? :eek:

:eek::eek:

[RunYouOver]

Ravens turn down the Rams offer for #2

[GridironChamp]

And the Falcons are taking Matt Ryan :eek:

[BroncFanIN]

okay...I have to ask...that guy on the Reebock hat commercial (the Miami fan)...is Jake Plummer moonlighting? :eek:

[GridironChamp]

I think so... :cheers:

[Tackle Me Elmo]

McFadden won't fall to us, but even if he did, his off-field issues aren't worth the risk.

I'm finally convinced that we will go Clady if he is there, J. Stew if he is not. Would love to see Rashard Mendenhal in a Broncos jersey, but he might also be gone by 12. Either way, I'll be happy about OT or RB in the first.

[GridironChamp]

McFadden won't fall to us, but even if he did, his off-field issues aren't worth the risk.

I'm finally convinced that we will go Clady if he is there, J. Stew if he is not. Would love to see Rashard Mendenhal in a Broncos jersey, but he might also be gone by 12. Either way, I'll be happy about OT or RB in the first.

Off the field issues?

The TWO barfights in which both were started by his BROTHERS and he just defended them?


As everyone that has talked to McFadden says... "It isnt an issue."

[Nick]

15 minutes!!!!

My 3 year old daughter went to movies... Wife brought my 1 year old on a walk.. to go buy stuff at walmart and send more money to China!

I am good and it is finally here!

[BroncFanIN]

15 minutes!!!!

My 3 year old daughter went to movies... Wife brought my 1 year old on a walk.. to go buy stuff at walmart and send more money to China!

I am good and it is finally here!

good to see you Nick! :salute:

Our enchilada's are done :D

ooooh...Rams and Ravens...conflicting stories! :dance:

[Nick]

True True Draft should be an official Holiday. Kind of like christmas you write your list check it twice. You hope you get all these presents but some times you get a big surprise. It also nice to see other peoples presents to. Then you can talk about your presents after getting them. When one persons present breaks, it is very funny to talk about. Like a present I got last year that broke in clarrett last time heard some one moved the present from a crack house before it caught on fire.

But seriously,

It is just exciting for me...


Something a posted a while back lol

[BroncosTX77]

chatroom set up yet?

[BroncFanIN]

chatroom set up yet?

you should be able to use the chatroom whenever.

[PacSmalls]

you should be able to use the chatroom whenever.


there is a chat room O_O

[RunYouOver]

3 minutes!!

[PacSmalls]

wow what a great day as a sports fan of denver...nfl draft, avs, nuggets :rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:

[GridironChamp]

you should be able to use the chatroom whenever.

They are trying to sucker me into like downloading 14 java things... :)

[BroncFanIN]

Here we go! :beer:

Just remember to follow the CoC folks, and we'll all have a great day! :salute:

[GridironChamp]

Im calling it now...

Jake Long will be the first pick int he draft! :rockon:

[BroncFanIN]

Im calling it now...

Jake Long will be the first pick int he draft! :rockon:

wow, GI, you are SO smart! :eek:

;)

good call!

[RunYouOver]

Even the Texans took a couple minutes to announce their selection when they had already signed their player.

No trickery here from Parcells, Jake Long was their guy.

Rams are on the clock.

[PacSmalls]

ill go out on a limb and say chris long goes 2nd. :smug::smug::smug:

[PacSmalls]

now itll get interesting.

[AdamantiumBronco]

Matt Ryan defiantly next

[BroncFanIN]

I'm liking this new format, with only 10 minutes. This is cruisin along nicely! :D

[BroncFanIN]

now comes the Raidiahs'...

[Skywalker]

I'm liking this new format, with only 10 minutes. This is cruisin along nicely! :D

Especially after last year. Wasn't last year the longest or one of the longest first rounds ever? I think it was like 6 hours or something :eek:

[GridironChamp]

Tre for Tre so far :P

[Harvitz81]

Fall DTs, fall !!

[Dbroncomann]

I hope the raiders pick a kicker
:fight:

[str8jacket]

Tre for Tre so far :P

2 for 2 :rolleyes:

[BroncFanIN]

Especially after last year. Wasn't last year the longest or one of the longest first rounds ever? I think it was like 6 hours or something :eek:

It was...I think that was why the format changed.

4 minutes left for the Raidahs!

[TrueDominanceTD]

AHHH i would rather see the place go nuts and see McFadden go to the Jets

[BroncFanIN]

Mayock is saying Dorsey is the no-brainer here, McFadden is a gamble. C'mon Raidaihs, mess it up even more!

Oh! I thought that was AL! :eek:

[GridironChamp]

4 for 4 :dance:


I got nervous cuz it took them so dang long.

[TrueDominanceTD]

Too bad he has no one to block for him! :D

[Gr3yStreet]

The Red Wings scored the exact second Oakland picked McFadden....omen?

[RunYouOver]

Do the Chiefs trade here?

I sure hope not...they have too many picks as it is.

[kmcgough25]

I can not believe how quickly that began despising Darren McFadden

[AdamantiumBronco]

the chiefs are gonna get Dorsey :(

[Skywalker]

The Red Wings scored the exact second Oakland picked McFadden....omen?

Why? Why did you say that? :brick: :eek:

[Double_L]

Damn.. the West is stacked with RBs now...

LT, LJ, and now McFadden... scary!

Hopefully we add one of our own in Mendenhall or Stewart!

[35istheFuture]

Chiefs take Gholston?

[VEGASBRONCFAN77]

You cant spell SUCK without KC

[TrueDominanceTD]

Wow the Chiefs got offered a sweet deal for Dorsey by the Saints

[Cutler2007]

Chiefs get a gift.

[Return of Lava]

Its not looking very good for us in the afc west, a lot of talent being infused in the division

[35istheFuture]

Dorsey for the chiefs, damn i still believe it is possible for us to get Ellis

[GridironChamp]

Correct spot, not the correct team...


Typical Carl Peterson though.

[AdamantiumBronco]

Idiots, they should of took the deal..

[Skywalker]

Damn.. the West is stacked with RBs now...

LT, LJ, and now McFadden... scary!

Hopefully we add one of our own in Mendenhall or Stewart!

Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....

:D

[Corn_3024]

Playing against DMac and Dorsey twice a year could be bad.. Lets just hope we add some problems for them to deal with as well.

[GridironChamp]

I figured the Saints woulda offered Jamaal Brown and the 10th pick...


IDK, i still think a draft and trade is possible. Watch for around the 10th pick to see the Saints to get the rights to Dorsey... possibly.

[kmcgough25]

Skywalker....just curious....who do you think we should draft?:D

[TrueDominanceTD]

Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....

:D

Haha Amen! As long as we get him or Stewart I will be happy!

[Skywalker]

Skywalker....just curious....who do you think we should draft?:D

That, my friend, is a very good question. I haven't yet decided. :D



:laugh:

[BroncFanIN]

Haha Amen! As long as we get him or Stewart I will be happy!

Denver needs to get themselves a stud RB to match the rest of the west...I really hope it goes that way!

[GridironChamp]

I'm listening to Herm Edward's interview and he says he took alot of offers, but no one offered enough...

AKA Carl Peterson turned down a first and second round pick because he is a d-bag..

[Double_L]

Gridiron who's that chick in your sig? She is super HOT.

[BroncFanIN]

gholston it is!

[GridironChamp]

Gholston, go figure... Interesting to see what happens here with NE.

[BroncoStampede]

the Jets just trade with the Patsies?

ummm no they selected Gholston.

[Harvitz81]

I bet NE takes Ellis or Alberts here...

[Skywalker]

the Jets just trade with the Patsies?

What? No, the Jets had #6, Patriots have #7 (Way to go 49ers. Idiots. :coffee: )

[BroncFanIN]

ummm no they selected Gholston.

too fast! :laugh:

Edited my comments :salute:

[AdamantiumBronco]

probably Ellis

[Starbroncs]

I think i will throw up as new england picks their player :sick:

[35istheFuture]

NO! we do not want the patriots to take Ellis or Albert!!!!!!!!
they should take Derrick Harvey, Mayo, Rivers, or some CB!!!!

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Ellis should go at this slot.

Maybe we'll trade up!

[BroncFanIN]

so do the Broncos get someone to match Dorsey on the line?

Patsies trade their pick!

[35istheFuture]

ESPN DRAFT COVERAGE SUCKS!!
http://www.nfl.com/draft/live?icampaign=MB_Live_Now
so much better

[GridironChamp]

Eh, there went all KC chance to trade Dorsey's rights.

Oh well, makes it more interesting.

[35istheFuture]

DANG IT!!! i want sedrick ellis~!!!

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

The run on Offensive Tackles should start any minute. It's going to be interesting.

[kmcgough25]

Not overly upset about Sedrick Ellis off the board. I kind of expected it.

[Skywalker]

DANG IT!!! i want sedrick ellis~!!!

Wasn't ever going to happen.

[TrueDominanceTD]

Getting closer and closer to 12 and Baltimore just traded. We wont need to reach for Mendenhall or Stewart!

[GridironChamp]

Wow, all the way up to 8? :confused:



Derrick Harvey to Jacksonville?

[35istheFuture]

Bengels take Rivers, Pats take a CB and the Broncos get Brandon Albert!

[kmcgough25]

Wow...Jags trade up to 8?????

They are desperate for a pass rusher!!!

[AdamantiumBronco]

OT or RB it seems...

[Cutler2007]

NE to take Clady or Albert?

[GridironChamp]

Harvey as I figured, i think they probably gave up WAY to much to draft him...

[kmcgough25]

Derrick Harvey.....don't knw about trading up for that guy.

Guess they think this guy is the answer to them winning the Super Bowl???

[Cutler2007]

Bengal guys do not look pleased.

[35istheFuture]

is Baltimore taking Rivers?

[Corn_3024]

Rivers to Bengals. If no tackles come off the board soon think we'll trade back? I'd love to trade back, give up a 5 and pick up a 3.

[GridironChamp]

A 1st, two 3rds, and a 4th?

FAR too much for Harvey...


There goes Rivers to Cincy.

[zio111]

I hope Denver trades down!!

With ellis and dorsey gone, and all OT (clady, williams, albert) and RB (mendenahll and stewart) still on the board, we can get a guy that we want, and maybe a third pick!

Trade with lions please!!

[Cutler2007]

Rivers to Bengals. If no tackles come off the board soon think we'll trade back? I'd love to trade back, give up a 5 and pick up a 3.


Harvey was our best shot to get good value in a trade down, Albert may be the next best thing, but I'm guessing NE takes him.

[Cugel]

Bengal guys do not look pleased.

Why would they look pleased? New Orleans moved up past them and outbid them to the Jets to get a DT who was their top guy (Sedrick Ellis) and now Jacksonville just swoop down out of nowhere to get their #2 guy DE Derrick Harvey. They desperately need help on their DL and apparently it was just a little too obvious, so teams that also wanted the same players knew they had to move up in front of the Bengals to get them.

Now they're essentially hosed. The top guys left on the board are OTs and CBs. They need DTs and DEs.

Now you know why Shanahan acts so paranoid around draft time and never even talked to his picks? :laugh:

[GridironChamp]

Pats going with Albert or McKelvin?

[Corn_3024]

New England could take a corner here.. that would leave three primary OLine picks with only BUF ahead of us.

[GridironChamp]

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

Pats going with Mayo? And ILB?

Wow, typical Patriots... throwing out something unexpected.

[TrueDominanceTD]

Good choice for Patriots considering their aging Linebackers

[Harvitz81]

We HAVE to trade back. All five or 4 of the five guys we are looking at will be at #12. We need to pick up a #3 - Come on Shanny - make this happen.

[Corn_3024]

Good pick by NE. They need to get younger and he's a great player. VERY interesting to see if we can move back or not now.

[Skywalker]

Good choice for Patriots considering their aging Linebackers

Well, Mayo was projected Late 1st-2nd rounder.....not at 10 :laugh:

[GridironChamp]

Mayo is overrated...

He was a 3rd round pick before the combine and Pro days. Who cares how he looks in the weight room if he doesnt play like a top pick.

I think its a very very bad pick.

[Double_L]

Yes please trade back!

[BroncFanIN]

Mayo is overrated...

He was a 3rd round pick before the combine and Pro days. Who cares how he looks in the weight room if he doesnt play like a top pick.

I think its a very very bad pick.

We can only hope :D

[Double_L]

We're On The Clock!

[TrueDominanceTD]

Alright Pick #12!!! C'mon Franchise Running Back!!!:salute::rockon:

[Cutler2007]

Yes please trade back!

Philly was high on Albert...so maybe. Phillip Merling could get reached for here too as Carolina has to be considering him, before Hernia he was a top 10 talent.

[GridironChamp]

I was almost sure of Devin Thomas to the Bills whether here or in a trade down...


McKelvin is a great for them though... they have to go WR next round.

[Skywalker]

Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....
Mendenhall....Mendenhall....Mendenhall....

:D

[Corn_3024]

Not sure if anyone wants our pick. Oh well our choice at any of the OLineman if we cant get a deal done.. Good luck Shanny...pick us a winner.

[fxblitz]

God I hope we trade back. So many options right now.

[BroncoStampede]

6 and a half minutes...are we talking trade?

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Well, for the first time I can remember, we have the opportunity to actually see whom Shanahan has as his #1 preferred target in the draft.

We knew Dorsey and Ellis would be gone, so this draft has unfolded perfectly for the Broncos.

Do we go OT or RB? And which one?


We are going to see Shanahan's #1 guy on his board.

[hilife]

Come On Denver Trade Back!!!!!!!!!

[BroncoStampede]

Well, for the first time I can remember, we have the opportunity to actually see whom Shanahan has as his #1 preferred target in the draft.

We knew Dorsey and Ellis would be gone, so this draft has unfolded perfectly for the Broncos.

Do we go OT or RB? And which one?


We are going to see Shanahan's #1 guy on his board.

Nice point.

[Cugel]

Oh, my lordy! Bills take CB Leodis McKelvin!

That means we're on the clock with:

1. Ryan Clady
2. Chris Williams
3. Branden Albert
4. Rashard Mendenhall
5. Jon Stewart

Shanahan gets his choice of them all! He could trade back to #17 and still get a very good player! :coffee:

[GridironChamp]

Pick is in...

[BroncoStampede]

I knew they were gonna go to a commercial when we were up. ESPN Fu.cking hates trhe Broncos.

If they hated the Broncos they would go to commercial when Goodell was walking up to the podium

[fxblitz]

Dude is going to be a bust.

[BroncoStampede]

RYan Clady !!!!

[GridironChamp]

Ya'll go your wish...


I'da gone with the more playmaker in J-Stew or Mendenhall but not a bad pick at all.

[AdamantiumBronco]

not really a bad choice, we had a choice of good players.

[Spyder]

Hell yeah we got an OT!

[Cugel]

OT Ryan Clady it is!!!!

Great Pick! :laugh:

[Damn! I thought I was a fast typist, but 3 people beat me!]

[kmcgough25]

Gulp!!!!!

I hope this guy becomes a mean SOB!!!!

[cvnorton]

Smart conservative move by Shanahan. Thank God he didn't go with Desean or Rashard!!!:salute:

[BroncoStampede]

Nice pick Mike!

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

I wonder if Chris Williams' neck injury that was disclosed last night removed him from our board.


Regardless, I'm very happy with the OT selection of Clady.

[TrueDominanceTD]

Ok i guess i can wait for Chris Johnson...or Ray Rice...GAH!!!!!

[Ohio Broncos]

It was a good, safe pick. I like.:salute:

[Return of Lava]

Ok, we got a tackle, hopefully he becomes dominant

[sheakkan]

i see clady like a george foster...

hope im waaaay wrong

[wheats]

Now take one one of the CUSA backs

[cvnorton]

I hope all of the Mendenhall and Jackson supporters man-up and eat crow for all of us!!!:rockon::D

[SethGrandpa]

Man...I wanted Albert. Clady has high bust potential.

[GridironChamp]

IDK, IMO Albert or Williams woulda been better than Clady.

Clady's basketball player like physique. scares me me a bit.



Wow, another shocker with J-Stew to Carolina...

[kman711]

YEs Clady is a ****ing softy. BIg bust coming up.

[hilife]

I knew that BS Shanahan said about picking a Tackle in the second round was nothing more then a smoke screen. And once again we don't talk to the player that we want to draft. With that said Ryan Clady is a great pick. Hope he can be one of the best Tackles in the NFL.

[Corn_3024]

Filled a need. I'm content. Surprised Stewart went that early. Lets hope some top end talent slips into round 2.

[wheats]

Stewart gone. Any chance Carolina trades DeAngelo?

[Buckin' Bronco]

Gulp!!!!!

I hope this guy becomes a mean SOB!!!!

HE WILL!!!:D Now RAY RICE welcome to Denver:salute:!

[Starbroncs]

think we pickup a rb in the second round?

[fxblitz]

I hope all of the Mendenhall and Jackson supporters man-up and eat crow for all of us!!!:rockon::D

Just because they didn't pick them doesn't mean that they made the right choice.

[BroncoStampede]

YEs Clady is a ****ing softy. BIg bust coming up.

Pure brilliance. This is based on???

[Skywalker]

Stewart gone. Any chance Carolina trades DeAngelo?

I'd take DeAngelo :D

[fxblitz]

I'd take DeAngelo :D

So would I. He looked good last year in spot duty. He would definitely be an upgrade in the return game as well.

[bleedbluorange]

Pure brilliance. This is based on???

We had alot of choices and I cant believe that was the choice. They know more than I do. However, they are known to reach.

[cvnorton]

Just because they didn't pick them doesn't mean that they made the right choice.

In 4-5 years we will know if we made the right choice but for the short term we made the SMARTEST choice we could have made. People talk about bust potential but Mendenhall and Jackson have just as much bust potential especially Jackson.:cheers:

[GridironChamp]

Pure brilliance. This is based on???

Well, its not rare knowledge to know that Clady doesnt have a mean streak, and the fact that he is like 6'7" BUT lean and not built makes the pressence that he is soft.

As I said, not a bad pick, but i think Albert OR Williams woulda been better.

[fxblitz]

In 4-5 years we will know if we made the right choice but for the short term we made the SMARTEST choice we could have made. People talk about bust potential but Mendenhall and Jackson have just as much bust potential especially Jackson.:cheers:

At least Jackson and Mendenhall did it on the big stage against top talent.

[Starbroncs]

why are they talking to belicheat so much :fight:

[kmcgough25]

In 4-5 years we will know if we made the right choice but for the short term we made the SMARTEST choice we could have made. People talk about bust potential but Mendenhall and Jackson have just as much bust potential especially Jackson.:cheers:

I agree with you 100%

[BroncFanIN]

Willams? I thought his injury had him falling in the draft...interesting!

[Cutler2007]

Clady will be fine, he is just a two year project to get him over to LT.

[BroncFanIN]

Lions trade...KC on the board.


KC is having a good day so far...

[GridironChamp]

Great!

KC moves up ahead of the Cards and Lions (two teams not looking for OL) to grab Branden Albert...


GREAT pick, hate the trade up for him.

[GridironChamp]

WAIT, did KC keep the 17th pick AND trade up to 15th?


That would be real good! :rockon:

[cvnorton]

At least Jackson and Mendenhall did it on the big stage against top talent.

Remind me exactly what they did:confused: Mendenhall so far quite possibly could be a one year wonder i.e. Cedric Benson and in college you don't need to be big and fast to put up decent #s at WR. You just need to be fast. Jackson at 169 lbs is WAY too small to be selected at 12. I say late 1st round flyer or 2nd for Jackson.

As far as Chris Williams is concerned for those disappointed we didn't draft him.......he is much better at pass blocking than he is at run blocking and we needed a big prototype run blocking LT.

[Peerless]

WAIT, did KC keep the 17th pick AND trade up to 15th?


That would be real good! :rockon:

Carl Peterson.. well done.

[GridironChamp]

Thats just gotta be a typo kinda thing still


No way the Lions would trade out of round 1.

[Astrass]

wow, KC has made their team a lot better today.

On top of that, lets look at the RBs we have to deal with in the AFC West now..... Mcfadden, LT, and LJ...... Man. And of course our Run D is horrible with no improvement yet.

Gonna be a tough season.

[Nick]

Grid it shows you guys have #17 still, there is no way they traded out, BUT very solid draft by you guys so far!

The best One of the best DT's and the best OG / a great OT prospect. You guys just got a lot better.

[Skywalker]

wow, KC has made their team a lot better today.

On top of that, lets look at the RBs we have to deal with in the AFC West now..... Mcfadden, LT, and LJ...... Man. And of course our Run D is horrible with no improvement yet.

Gonna be a tough season.

And look at our RB.

Travis Henry.

Woo. :coffee:

[cvnorton]

I am guessing that Mendenhall goes to the Cards at 16. RB is last piece of the puzzle to a dominating offense. Could take Otah too though.

[Cutler2007]

KC already having the best draft...getting arguably the best player in the draft along with the best Ol guy.

[GridironChamp]

Grid it shows you guys have #17 still, there is no way they traded out, BUT very solid draft by you guys so far!

The best One of the best DT's and the best OG / a great OT prospect. You guys just got a lot better.

Thats what I'm thinking, the draft has been alright so far.

They just changed #17 to Detroit, so that clears that up.

[cvnorton]

And look at our RB.

Travis Henry.

Woo. :coffee:

Why do people count Henry out:confused: Do people not realize or remember that Henry was leading the league in rushing prior to his injury:confused: Oh well I think if he stays healthy this year he will put up 1500 yards with 15 TDs.