Kevin Smith Vs Dmac

[nickmeyer]

Who is better?

Here is alink of K Smith Vs UAB all 41 carries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUuzBgVT98

[DBfan187]

Kolby Smith?

[nickmeyer]

Kolby Smith?


what?????????????????

[Nick]

Who is better?

Here is alink of K Smith Vs UAB all 41 carries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUuzBgVT98

Darren mcfadden is better

[BroncosTX77]

Really hard to say who is the better back Here is why. Neither RB played against stellar competition.

On one hand McFadden plays in the SEC OTOH the combined total of all the teams he played was 78 in rush defense. North Texas has 115 ranked rush defense and Chatanooga (FCS) 112 ranked Defense were the worst defenses he played. LSU (14) Auburn (27) were the toughest. McFadden never had to carry the load either due to Felix Jones another possible 1st rounder shared carries with him.

Kevin Smith played against slightly worst competition due to weak conference. Combined total of 81 ranked rush defense. He faced 9 opponents with 90 or worse ranked rush defense. He also faced UT (10) and USF (19). But Kevin Smith also carried the whole load. One other thing i noticed with Kevin Smith was he always lost yards every game otherwise his rushing totals would be even higher.

Here is how each backs stats breakdown this year and y'all can make your own assumptions/judgments.

Kevin Smith

opponent rush def carries yds TD
nc state 90 35 217 2
texas 10 27 149 2
memphis 110 22 124 3
la. laf 113 33 323 3
e carol 53 29 147 1
s florida 19 18 55 0
tulsa 97 33 170 3
s miss 48 43 175 2
marshall 93 29 188 2
uab 119 41 320 4
smu 100 20 177 2
utep 104 46 219 1
tulsa 97 39 284 4

TOTALS 81 415 2448 29



Darren McFadden

opponent rush def carries yds TD
Troy 94 24 151 1
Alabama 34 33 195 2
Kentucky 92 29 173 1
N Texas 115 19 138 2
T. Chatt(FCS) 112 25 122 1
auburn 27 17 43 0
ole miss 102 22 110 0
fl int 105 19 61 4
s carol 109 34 321 1
tennessee 68 22 117 0
miss st 65 28 88 0
lsu 14 32 206 3

78 304 1725 15


IMO you can't go wrong with either back. McFadden has a slight edge because he shared carries and less wear and tear.

Enjoy.

[SBboundBRONCOS]

yeah Dmac is a lot better, but i want to see the 2s combine numbers and stuff, although i think Smith will be a good player in the NFL

[BroncoAV06]

This might be moved to Draft/FA.

Obviously you can not over look Smith and his numbers. He is a hrad runner and what I saw of him in the C-USA Championship game was crazy. 2nd round pick most likely.

I don't see how you can knock McFadden for having Jones on his team. McFadden did it all the the hogs. At this point it is easy to call McFadden to best NFL talent.

Less compitition is iffy IMO. Marshall is from UCF, Andre Hall USF, Urlacher UNM, etc.. I think it is the same with players from big schools, could they be good due to the team around them?

[Warhawk]

Obviously you can not over look Smith and his numbers. He is a hrad runner and what I saw of him in the C-USA Championship game was crazy. 2nd round pick most likely.

I agree - he's a great back who will go in the first day of the draft.

I don't see how you can knock McFadden for having Jones on his team. McFadden did it all the the hogs. At this point it is easy to call McFadden to best NFL talent.

Not only is DMAC the better of these two backs, but he might be the best prospect in the whole draft.

Less compitition is iffy IMO. Marshall is from UCF, Andre Hall USF, Urlacher UNM, etc.. I think it is the same with players from big schools, could they be good due to the team around them?

USC-itis? No question, sometimes the weaknesses of players are masked by being on teams with talent at every position. Do you think Matt Leinart would've looked as good playing for Vanderbilt?

[HurricaneDovs]

The thing is though these teams are playing other teams that are more or less equal to their skill level. So UCF is playing teams that are similar to their level and Arkansas is playing teams that are similar to theirs. The good teams and the bad teams kind of balance out who each team is playing. And in that cirumstance 24k has done better. The guy is good. Ridiculous that he isnt even in the running for RB of the year. Ill take Smith.

[TD Machine]

Really hard to say who is the better back Here is why. Neither RB played against stellar competition.
LMAO!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh guy. The SEC is far and away the best conference in the country. I see you are a Texas guy... Dont be sad Arkansas owns you.

[FinNasty]

LMAO!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh guy. The SEC is far and away the best conference in the country. I see you are a Texas guy... Dont be sad Arkansas owns you.

Dont stop reading after that sentence. Continue reading the post...

The SEC is by far the best conference. I dont think anyone argued that. However, if you look at the average of the run defense he has faced, they are less than impressive. As he said later in the post, the run defense he has faced average at around 78th in the nation... and a 1-AA school on top of that.

[FinNasty]

Heres my take on the debate...

Both are extremely talented backs. It is hard to compare them, since they havent faced the same teams, and are surrounded by different levels of talent.

I dont want to say who is better, because I am obviously not someone that is impartial.

But as someone who has seen every one of 24k's games throughout his career... he is special. His combination of vision, explosion, balance, and agility is amazing to watch. He sees holes that I dont see when watching it on instant replay. His patience and the way he sets up his blocks is spectacular.


I'll tell you right now that McFadden will probably time better than Smith at the combine... although Smith's game doesnt rely on his speed, its his vision and ability to make defenders miss.


One of the best ways we are going to be able to compare them is when 24k and UCF play Mississippi State on Dec. 29th in the Liberty Bowl. McFadden played them earlier in the year, and only ran for 88 yards against them.

[BroncosTX77]

LMAO!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh guy. The SEC is far and away the best conference in the country. I see you are a Texas guy... Dont be sad Arkansas owns you.


Opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. Unless you have something to back that opinion up then that statement comes across as a flaming butthole......

Last time I checked College teams dont play 10-12 conference games do they? They have to play a non-conf schedule which normally includes 4 games.
Ar-Kansas' non conf schedule?

Arkansas 4 non conf opponents came against 3 teams from the sun belt conference :yawn: and 1 FCS (1AA) team :goofy:.

Of the other 4 wins only 2 are bowl bound LSU and Miss State.

They had a cupcake schedule regardless of what conference they were in.
Cupcake schedules pad stats. I made no favor over any back just stated facts.

But if you want my opinion on who is the better back? Kevin Smith is.

415 carries 2448 yards 29TD
21 Rec 230yards 1TD
Grand Total: 48.3% of the offense
56 offensive TD's, Smith accounted for 30 of them or 53.6%

304 carries 1725 yards 15TD
21rec 164yards 1TD
6-11 123yards 4TD
Grand Total: 34.4% of the offense.
56 offensive TD's, McFadden accounted for 20 of them or 35.7%

After all the numbers crunching it tells me that no Smith, UCF is bad. Smith did it all for that team and did not have any help. But did what he did against bad schedule.

McFadden did not have to carry the load but prospered from talent around him and from bad schedule. Lose McFadden then plug Felix in and they dont lose a step.

But if you want my opinion on who will make a better pro then Darren McFadden will be. He prospered in 2 back system and NFL is moving toward that direction. He has less wear and tear than Kevin Smith does.


See how more effective and convincing that is? Better than insulting someone for being in Texas and an opinion that can't be backed up.

P.S. Always have been, always will be a CU fan.

Go BUFFS! :rockon:

[FinNasty]

Well... we know they are definatly the top 2...

Smith and McFadden were the only 2 RBs to make the Walter Camp All-American Team!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UXDdPKfrZqY

[WABronco]

I've only seen Smith a few times, but I don't like his long stride. He seems more than just a little behind in the explosiveness department when compared to DMac.

[silkamilkamonic]

Really hard to say who is the better back Here is why. Neither RB played against stellar competition.

The SEC fields more defenisve players to the NFL than any other conference in all of college football.

I understand his competition weren't juggernaut defenses against the run, but you arguably aren't going to find another RB in college that has faced better competition.

You certainly aren't going to find another RB that faced better competition defensively throughout his college career.

[FinNasty]

I've only seen Smith a few times, but I don't like his long stride. He seems more than just a little behind in the explosiveness department when compared to DMac.

He is behind McFadden in top end speed... but not explosiveness.

KSmith's burst through the hole is one of his best qualities. He patiently waits for blocks to develop. And as soon as a crease opens up... he is already through to the second level...

[FinNasty]

The SEC fields more defenisve players to the NFL than any other conference in all of college football.

I understand his competition weren't juggernaut defenses against the run, but you arguably aren't going to find another RB in college that has faced better competition.

You certainly aren't going to find another RB that faced better competition defensively throughout his college career.

Well, McFadden's performance against LSU was certainly impressive.

However, whenever 24k has faced a BCS team this year, he has done very well.

217 yards and 2 TDs vs. NC State
149 yards and 2 TDs vs. Texas
100 total yards in only 1 half against USF

[BroncosTX77]

The SEC fields more defenisve players to the NFL than any other conference in all of college football.

I understand his competition weren't juggernaut defenses against the run, but you arguably aren't going to find another RB in college that has faced better competition.

You certainly aren't going to find another RB that faced better competition defensively throughout his college career.

Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon. But they don't compare because they are 2 different type of backs. McFadden and Stewart will most likely be the first 2 RB taken with Smith the 3rd as of now. We just have to wait for declarations, all star games, and combines.

As for the "The SEC fields more defenisve players to the NFL than any other conference in all of college football." I take a what have you done for me lately approach and SEC defenses this year weren't that good with the exception of Auburn and maybe LSU. McFadden got 53 yards against Auburn and tore up LSU, but LSU defense tapered off alot once Dorsey was injured.

[BroncosTX77]

Well, McFadden's performance against LSU was certainly impressive.

However, whenever 24k has faced a BCS team this year, he has done very well.

217 yards and 2 TDs vs. NC State
149 yards and 2 TDs vs. Texas
100 total yards in only 1 half against USF

Don't get me wrong a little part of me was praying TH would get suspended so I could hype up Kevin Smith to be a Denver Bronco. It just did not happen and I don't foresee Denver grabbing a RB in the offseason via draft or FA. :sad:

[broncobuss]

Did you see how fast smith was on his last carry of the game, his 41st carry was just as fast if not faster than his 1st. Ive only seen him a couple of times since someone mentioned him a couple of weeks back, but if you didnt know who was who, I think kevin smith was the better running back, and mcfadden is the best player, if that makes sense. plus you hardly ever see smith tackled by the 1st guy, either breaks the tackle or makes them miss, which is a great sign. regardless of oponents.

[silkamilkamonic]

Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon. But they don't compare because they are 2 different type of backs. McFadden and Stewart will most likely be the first 2 RB taken with Smith the 3rd as of now. We just have to wait for declarations, all star games, and combines.

As for the "The SEC fields more defenisve players to the NFL than any other conference in all of college football." I take a what have you done for me lately approach and SEC defenses this year weren't that good with the exception of Auburn and maybe LSU. McFadden got 53 yards against Auburn and tore up LSU, but LSU defense tapered off alot once Dorsey was injured.

I still think they fielded the best defenses of all the conferences.

Pac-10 is a spread offense conference. It's much less demanding physically on a week by week basis then a power conference. Big 12 has the most mix, and the Big10 was just down in general as a whole. Talent wise, it's been unmatched over those 3 years.

I think DMac has shown to be the premium, and unmatched RB in college throughout the course of his 3 year career playing in the toughest conference which is the SEC.

[SBboundBRONCOS]

could D-mac be the next reggie . . . . . i think he is a great talent but does it seem like he is a versatile player like bush

too me he doesnt seem like your "pure" RB - not saying he isnt worth the first pick but is it possible

add to that that weird formation they use him as an option QB . . . . they get a lot of yards out of that

[FinNasty]

Don't get me wrong a little part of me was praying TH would get suspended so I could hype up Kevin Smith to be a Denver Bronco. It just did not happen and I don't foresee Denver grabbing a RB in the offseason via draft or FA. :sad:

I dont see why you wouldnt get a RB in the offseason.

Henry is getting older, and will be in his 30's next year. Plus, you guys have seen just how close he is to getting suspended for a year. He inhales some 2nd hand smoke, and he almost was gone.

I dont see why you guys would rely on him. I aint saying to cut the guy. He is a great back. But I think you guys should go into the season with a backup plan... and a plan for the future.

KSmith can be that plan...

[BroncosTX77]

I dont see why you wouldnt get a RB in the offseason.

Henry is getting older, and will be in his 30's next year. Plus, you guys have seen just how close he is to getting suspended for a year. He inhales some 2nd hand smoke, and he almost was gone.

I dont see why you guys would rely on him. I aint saying to cut the guy. He is a great back. But I think you guys should go into the season with a backup plan... and a plan for the future.

KSmith can be that plan...

TH was a beast until the dope scandal came about. After that it affected his play. Now that it is behind him I expect TH be in form as he was at the beginning of the season. Also with TH back RB is just not a priority. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE. oh and Special teams.

[FinNasty]

TH was a beast until the dope scandal came about. After that it affected his play. Now that it is behind him I expect TH be in form as he was at the beginning of the season. Also with TH back RB is just not a priority. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE. oh and Special teams.

Henry is a great back... and a good fit for your system...


But do you feel that can you really depend on him for the future?

[elevation INC]

yes i feel we can depend on him, he will be just fine he was the leading rusher at the beginning of the season for a reason! he just needed to refocus and get healthy now that he has i look to see him improve even more on his 2 TD performnace sunday

[FinNasty]

yes i feel we can depend on him, he will be just fine he was the leading rusher at the beginning of the season for a reason! he just needed to refocus and get healthy now that he has i look to see him improve even more on his 2 TD performnace sunday

I aint taking anything away from Henry's ability. The guy can run the rock.

Just with his age, and drug problems... I might want to get a backup plan if I were you...

[silkamilkamonic]

Denver will surely look at the RB position this offseason.

I don't think they will do it via free agency, but I do think Shanahan will draft a project in the mid to late rounds.

[FinNasty]

Denver will surely look at the RB position this offseason.

I don't think they will do it via free agency, but I do think Shanahan will draft a project in the mid to late rounds.

Why draft a project? Why not draft a stud?

With this years RB class, you wont have to trade up to get one...

[BroncosTX77]

Denver will surely look at the RB position this offseason.

I don't think they will do it via free agency, but I do think Shanahan will draft a project in the mid to late rounds.

Denver does not need another project. Denver already has 2 serviceable Undrafted FA RB on the 53 man roster as well as an investment in TH. Barring any more 2nd hand smoke or injuries then TH will be good for another 2-3 years.


What I personally would really like to see is TH put on the shelf to completely heal the ligament damage in his knee and let SY and AH get reps sharing time in the backfield for the rest of the season. If the both of them continuously get injured then Denver has a reason to draft a STUD RB next year. That would be the only way I see them doing it. And stud I mean Jonathan Stewart, Kevin Smith, Steve Slaton :rockon:

[BroncoAV06]

RB is really not the direction the Broncos need to go, there are other positions that need to be bolstered and influenced with oung talent. I do agree with the maybe TH should be put on the shelf for the rest of the year, knees are tricky buisness and we all know they determine careers.

Slaton is an interesting back, like him at WV, but back to the do you want a small back. He pretty much was now where to be found in the Pitt game. If there is a back that I am on the fence about its Slaton.

[FinNasty]

RB is really not the direction the Broncos need to go, there are other positions that need to be bolstered and influenced with oung talent. I do agree with the maybe TH should be put on the shelf for the rest of the year, knees are tricky buisness and we all know they determine careers.

Slaton is an interesting back, like him at WV, but back to the do you want a small back. He pretty much was now where to be found in the Pitt game. If there is a back that I am on the fence about its Slaton.

But a dominating ground game could really help out the development of Cutler. And if I had a young promising QB that has the potential to become a franchise QB... my #1 priority would be to develop him and give him all of the help he needs. He has had his ups and downs. I think if you had a ground game that you could really lean on... it would take some of the pressure off of Cutler...

[silkamilkamonic]

THenry is still serviceable, and a very good starter when he's healthy.

I also think the emergence of Hall/Young give Denver a straight up goodf RB corp when healthy, and even throwing in MBell or possibly Sapp into the mix, although I don't think all of them will be back.

I do think signing an impact RB, or drafting a "stud" per say, will cloud the RB position even more next year, as there are already players that can ply and Denver needs more help elsewhere. Drafting a young "project" will give Denver some time to mold him and use the other guys for next year.

[FinNasty]

THenry is still serviceable, and a very good starter when he's healthy.

I also think the emergence of Hall/Young give Denver a straight up goodf RB corp when healthy, and even throwing in MBell or possibly Sapp into the mix, although I don't think all of them will be back.

I do think signing an impact RB, or drafting a "stud" per say, will cloud the RB position even more next year, as there are already players that can ply and Denver needs more help elsewhere. Drafting a young "project" will give Denver some time to mold him and use the other guys for next year.

I wouldnt consider Young or Hall the answer at RB. They are servicable... especially with your oline/system. However, neither will turn into a dominant RB.

I dont think drafting a RB high would cloud it at all. You would have Henry as the starter for the next year, with your 1st/2nd round RB splitting some carries, and the future starter 2 years from now, when Henry is 31/32...

[silkamilkamonic]

I wouldnt consider Young or Hall the answer at RB. They are servicable... especially with your oline/system. However, neither will turn into a dominant RB.

I dont think drafting a RB high would cloud it at all. You would have Henry as the starter for the next year, with your 1st/2nd round RB splitting some carries, and the future starter 2 years from now, when Henry is 31/32...

I think Denver has far too many needs to even consider a RB on the first day. They're going to need to bring in a plethora of DT's, I would expect possibly 2 in the draft. Safety will get a hard look, and LB will get an even harder look. We need depth at oline, and young depth at that as we make the transition with our oline. WR is still a question mark too as well as a return man.

Denver only has a first and second rounder, and then doesn't draft again until the 5th.

[FinNasty]

I think Denver has far too many needs to even consider a RB on the first day. They're going to need to bring in a plethora of DT's, I would expect possibly 2 in the draft. Safety will get a hard look, and LB will get an even harder look. We need depth at oline, and young depth at that as we make the transition with our oline. WR is still a question mark too as well as a return man.

Denver only has a first and second rounder, and then doesn't draft again until the 5th.

Wow... I didnt realize you were so short on picks...

Well, damnit!! I want you guys to draft 24k! I really like the Broncos b/c of Marshall... and I would LOVE for Marshall and Smith to be reunited. If it happend, I would officially become a Broncos fan. I still would be a Fin fan, but I would actually root for you guys to win.

Right now, I root for Marshall to do well. But if you got Smith, I would really start to develop a passion for the Broncos.

You guys and the Patriots(Asante Samuel) are the 2 teams that can really appreciate UCF. And god knows I would hate to see him be a Patriot.

And even worse... a Jet (who need a young stud RB)....


So draft him... for my sake... :D

[ChrisSimpy]

Wow... I didnt realize you were so short on picks...

Well, damnit!! I want you guys to draft 24k! I really like the Broncos b/c of Marshall... and I would LOVE for Marshall and Smith to be reunited. If it happend, I would officially become a Broncos fan. I still would be a Fin fan, but I would actually root for you guys to win.

Right now, I root for Marshall to do well. But if you got Smith, I would really start to develop a passion for the Broncos.

You guys and the Patriots(Asante Samuel) are the 2 teams that can really appreciate UCF. And god knows I would hate to see him be a Patriot.

And even worse... a Jet (who need a young stud RB)....


So draft him... for my sake... :D

Im curious who drafted Mike Walker(think thats his name) and has he done anything yet?

[BroncosTX77]

Im curious who drafted Mike Walker(think thats his name) and has he done anything yet?

Mike Walker was drafted by Jacksonville in the 3rd Round then put on IR at the beginning of the season. Which I expected knee injury from college give him 1 year to learn system while recovering from injury. Same as what Raiders did with Michael Bush.

[FinNasty]

Im curious who drafted Mike Walker(think thats his name) and has he done anything yet?

He was lighting it up in Training Camp... was starting, and there looked to be a chance that he was going to be their #1 WR. However, they decided to shelf him for the season to fully rehab that knee.

They know they have a player though... and are really excited about him! He was the talk of Training Camp...

[FinNasty]

Just a point of information...


Darren McFadden played against rushing defenses whose rankings averaged to 77th in the nation, and only 1 team in the top 25.

Kevin Smith played against rushing defenses whose rankings averaged to 80th in the nation and 2 teams in the top 25.

And... 24k has 700 more rushing yards than McFadden...


I'm not saying... I'm just saying...

[TD Machine]

Just a point of information...


Darren McFadden played against rushing defenses whose rankings averaged to 77th in the nation, and only 1 team in the top 25.

Kevin Smith played against rushing defenses whose rankings averaged to 80th in the nation and 2 teams in the top 25.

And... 24k has 700 more rushing yards than McFadden...


I'm not saying... I'm just saying...
LOL... Ok bro. Keep believing that Smith played against better defenses than DMac. Looking at statistics tells half the story... WATCH THEM PLAY.

DMac is the only college player other than Ricky Williams to win the Doak Walker award twice. He nearly broke the SEC rushing record in only 3 seasons.

I love the University of Arkansas, but trust me when I say this, DMac was the best running back in the NCAA in 2006 and this year 2007. You can cling to your statistics of SEC rushing defenses (which were bad because the best running backs in the country are in the SEC). I also love the SEC. By FAR the best athletes in the country that are faster, bigger, and hit harder than anywhere else in the country.

[FinNasty]

LOL... Ok bro. Keep believing that Smith played against better defenses than DMac. Looking at statistics tells half the story... WATCH THEM PLAY.

DMac is the only college player other than Ricky Williams to win the Doak Walker award twice. He nearly broke the SEC rushing record in only 3 seasons.

I love the University of Arkansas, but trust me when I say this, DMac was the best running back in the NCAA in 2006 and this year 2007. You can cling to your statistics of SEC rushing defenses (which were bad because the best running backs in the country are in the SEC). I also love the SEC. By FAR the best athletes in the country that are faster, bigger, and hit harder than anywhere else in the country.

I never said he played against better defenses. I said that the defenses DMac played wernt as great as you would think they would be being in the SEC. The SEC is easily the best conference in football... but a lot of the defenses McFadden faced were below average, including a 1-AA team.

Here they are: Defensive rankings against the run (McFadden's rushing yards against them)

Troy - 94th (151 yds)
Alabama - 34th (195 yds)
Kentucky - 92nd (173 yds)
North Texas - 115th 2 above dead last UAB - (138 yds)
Chattanooga - 102nd In FCS (122 yds)
Auburn - 27th (43 yards)
Mississippi - 102nd (110 yds)
FIU - 105th (61 yds)
South Carolina - 109th (321 yds)
Tennessee - 68th (117 yds)
Miss. State - 65th (88 yds)
LSU - 14th (206 yds) via 3 OT's.


His performance against LSU was spectacular, no doubt about it. However, he got a chance to pad his stats against a bunch of horrible teams as well...


I am not even saying that 24k is better than McFadden. No where have I said that. However, I feel that KSmith is a lot closer to the talent of McFadden than you give him credit for.

WATCH THEM PLAY in the Liberty Bowl this month, where Smith will face a faster, bigger, and harder hitting SEC team. And an SEC team that McFadden only ran for 88 yards against.

[FinNasty]

Bump bump...

[FinNasty]

Well, the results are in...

McFadden vs. Miss State this season:
88 rushing yards

Smith vs. Miss State this season:
120 rushing yards

And:
With one of the worst performances in NCAA history at QB. UCFs QB had only 3 completions for 13 yards and 2 INTs at half time... and 2 of the completions were to Kevin Smith!!! Meanwhile, Smith had 77 rushing yards by then...

And:
SEC OLine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CUSA OLine


Think about it... our OLinemen were 1 and 2 star players. Theirs were 4 and 5 stars...

Now, I'm not saying Smith has more potential than McFadden... but now you have something that you can use to compare the 2...

24k... Best vision in the nation...