Haynesworth?

[Lomax]

Haven't seen this mentioned, but does anyone here think the Broncos should go after him in FA?

He will be pricey since he made the pro-bowl. But would instantly upgrade the DL to, at worst, average. And at best, complete studs (depending on how the rookies come along).

Thoughts?

[stnzed]

You'll most likely get the same "Lazy/Fat", "Contract Year" arguments, but not from me. If Haynesworth is not Tagged (He will!), Denver should definitely go after him too......

[Legendary30]

Good player, but a temper that could be a cancer in the locker room. It would be risky.

[lancane]

Has an attitude problem, but who gives a damn...we need help, but I say forget it if they tag him...he is not work the money and a draft pick.

[foolio2000]

He will most assuredly be tagged, he is a force to be reckoned with on the D-Line. One of the best DTs in the league.

Since we are talking of getting tagged, if he gets the highest franchise tag does he have to be paid Freeney type numbers or the highest among DTs instead of D-Line in general? (Hopefully somebody out there will get my question)

[lancane]

He will most assuredly be tagged, he is a force to be reckoned with on the D-Line. One of the best DTs in the league.

Since we are talking of getting tagged, if he gets the highest franchise tag does he have to be paid Freeney type numbers or the highest among DTs instead of D-Line in general? (Hopefully somebody out there will get my question)

When you are tagged as a franchise player, you receive a set amount which is equal or based on what the top five at the position make, if that helps answer your question.

[superFREAK]

Absolutely not. A player having a career season in the last year of his contract doesn't guarantee he will have a drop off the following season, but it throws up a red flag regardless and I seriously doubt we could afford him with our current cap situation.

Save the money for when it comes time to resign the young studs we already have.

[Lomax]

Absolutely not. A player having a career season in the last year of his contract doesn't guarantee he will have a drop off the following season, but it throws up a red flag regardless and I seriously doubt we could afford him with our current cap situation.

Save the money for when it comes time to resign the young studs we already have.

I don't get the cap arguments this early. Too many variables. Lepsis retires. Rod Smith may retire. Walker is possibly traded or released. Tons of FAs that may or may not be re-signed. The cap room will be there. But if the Broncos' biggest need is at DT, and he's the best FA DT available, seems like a no-brainer to go after him.

[stnzed]

People say that Denver will have more than 20 million to play with, the problem is Pat Bowlen is apparently taking the Monforts role as the tightest owner in the state......

[kratos_godofwar]

No, he would cost to much to get both in FA and Trade. He would demand top dollar for his postion and get lazy once he's here. Why do you think it took him 5 seaons to finally make a huge impact. Because he was motivated for the money, not the team. He's a TO but fatter and lazier. Both on and off the field. I would not go after any Titans players, they are all cancers. Pacman Jones, Travis Henry, Vince Young, Haynesworth, Lendale White, etc...

I'd perfer we go after Rogers, he won't cost us a leg and arm. Also if he doesn't work out, we can then go after Wilfork next season. Pats are known to not pay top dollars to their players and will most likely let Wilfork hit free agency.

[Lomax]

No, he would cost to much to get both in FA and Trade. He would demand top dollar for his postion and get lazy once he's here. Why do you think it took him 5 seaons to finally make a huge impact. Because he was motivated for the money, not the team. He's a TO but fatter and lazier. Both on and off the field. I would not go after any Titans players, they are all cancers. Pacman Jones, Travis Henry, Vince Young, Haynesworth, Lendale White, etc...

I'd perfer we go after Rogers, he won't cost us a leg and arm. Also if he doesn't work out, we can then go after Wilfork next season. Pats are known to not pay top dollars to their players and will most likely let Wilfork hit free agency.

The Broncos don't need a NT next year, they need a DT now. And I highly doubt the Pats will let Wilfork go, as he's one of the best NT in the league and they need him to run the 3-4. The guys they let go are replaceable. Wilfork isn't.

You may be right about Haynesworth. But I think the answer for guys like that is to pack their contracts with bonus incentives and sign them to short deals. If every other year is a contract year, they should be playing better more often than not.

[kratos_godofwar]

The Broncos don't need a NT next year, they need a DT now. And I highly doubt the Pats will let Wilfork go, as he's one of the best NT in the league and they need him to run the 3-4. The guys they let go are replaceable. Wilfork isn't.

You may be right about Haynesworth. But I think the answer for guys like that is to pack their contracts with bonus incentives and sign them to short deals. If every other year is a contract year, they should be playing better more often than not.

Not really Ty Law was a great player and still had more season in him, as did Lawyor Milloy. They also let go of Deion Branch, a for sure superstar at WR. Sure they had replacements for them, but that doesn't mean they don't for Wilfork either.

And I never said that we wait for a DT next year. I said we go after Shaun Rogers and then if doesn't work out, then we go after Wilfork.

[stnzed]

Broncos fans are leaving themselves ZERO options at DT......

[foolio2000]

When you are tagged as a franchise player, you receive a set amount which is equal or based on what the top five at the position make, if that helps answer your question.

Yea, I was wondering if his position included all the D-Line or just DTs. I actually read an article that answered it for me, kind of. It said he was going to be guaranteed 7.5 mil if he gets tagged. That is not actually Dwight Freeney numbers, but no small chunk of change either. I wonder if that is all the D-Line and the drop off is a lot from Freeney to #2 or if DTs do get paid that well.

[Lomax]

Not really Ty Law was a great player and still had more season in him, as did Lawyor Milloy. They also let go of Deion Branch, a for sure superstar at WR. Sure they had replacements for them, but that doesn't mean they don't for Wilfork either.

And I never said that we wait for a DT next year. I said we go after Shaun Rogers and then if doesn't work out, then we go after Wilfork.

What has Deion Branch done since he left NE? Who is their replacement for Wilfork?

Rogers is a thought, but it's not as if he doesn't show up to camp overweight or have health issues. I guess you have to pick your poison there.

[cutlerfan]

Titans: Haynesworth could get franchise tag

By PAUL KUHARSKY
The Tennessean

On the surface it seems like a dream designation. What more could a player want than to be declared his team's "franchise player?"
In the world of NFL contracts and status, however, the designation isn't considered an honor. Players generally view it as bondage.




Starting today teams can apply the tag. Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, who's in Hawaii preparing for Sunday's Pro Bowl, is as likely as anyone in the league to be wearing it within the next two weeks.

On the verge of coveted unrestricted free agency, which typically brings monster signing bonuses and long-term security, players who get tagged are instead frozen, unable to move and without income until September.
The designation can create strife between a player and a team, leading to long-lasting bad feelings in addition to training-camp holdouts.

The franchise tag, an element of the collective bargaining agreement between the league and the NFL Players Association, was installed in 1993 to aid a team like Denver as it looked to ensure quarterback John Elway would be a Bronco for his entire career.

It may not have panned out as the union expected, but it's now an NFL fact of life that the Titans and Haynesworth could be dealing with soon.

Teams have until Feb. 21 to designate one free-agent-to-be as a franchise player. Once tagged he gets a one-year contract tender that pays him the average of the top five players at his position from the previous year or 120 percent of his salary from the previous year, whichever is higher.

In Haynesworth's case the 120 percent is higher, making his franchise tag salary $7.250 million.

Unless the Titans bumped Haynesworth up to another level, with an exclusive rights franchise tag, he could sign an offer sheet with another team and the Titans would have the right to match it or get two first-round draft picks as compensation if they let him go.

The one-year salary is a hearty number for sure, but it's broken into 17 payments that don't start until the first week of the season. And an injury or a bad year can dramatically impact a franchise player's worth a year later.

Charley Casserly, who served as general manager for the Redskins and Texans and is now an NFL analyst for CBS, said the Titans have no choice but to tag Haynesworth.

"The No. 1 objective of your franchise is to keep your players, so you have to put the franchise tag on him," Casserly said. "Every player will tell you he doesn't want it on him. Every player will say 'This inhibits me.' From the team's point of view, it's a business. You want to keep the player. As politely as you want to explain it, the bottom line is you're putting it on him.

"The agent understands it, no matter what he says and no matter how much he cries about the player not wanting it on him. He understands it's your right to do it, you're going to do it, and everything from then on is posturing. Eventually you get into a hard negotiation and most of the time a deal gets done and it's a market to above-market deal for the player."

A review of franchise players over the last four seasons shows the tag was used 30 times on 24 players. Ten of those players eventually signed long-term deals with their teams, five before they ever played a down as a franchise player. Seven others moved on as free agents once they made it to the market.

The Titans will take all of those factors into consideration as they decide what to do with Haynesworth.

But if they can't reach a multiyear accord in the next two weeks - and there are no indications they are close - the Titans are all but certain to use the tag and take their chances with the consequences.

"That's something that gives the club an opportunity to retain its best players, and I don't think you should be afraid to use it," Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt said. "That's the purpose of it. (The CBA) was give and take, and that was given to the clubs."

Haynesworth has said if it's used as a bridge and the team intends to continue to work towards a lengthier contract, he'll be fine with the tag. The Colts followed that approach with defensive end Dwight Freeney last year, signing him to a huge contract four months after using the tag.

Under provisions of the current CBA teams have until July 15 to strike a long-term deal with a franchised player. After that he can only play under a one-year contract that cannot be extended until after the last game of the regular season.

[lancane]

He will be tagged, I love his attitude though...but there are other options as well.

[denver30]

He will be tagged, I love his attitude though...but there are other options as well.


This is why we need to trade for Rogers.:cheers:

[22cannon]

I voted No, because we would never have a chance

[crazybronco]

he will likely get tag if not then heck yeah i dont think shanny will the mr. do no more big FA pickups

[#28]

No. If we're going to spend *that* kind of money, I'd prefer we make an effort for Randy Moss.