Phillip Merling

[beastlyskronk]

Why do people want us to draft him in the 1st round? I know he's good at stopping the run and he could possibly switch back to DT but we already have Marcus Thomas to play UT which would be what Merling would play. If we re-sign Ekuban we have 2 run stopping DEs in Ekuban and Crowder and 2 pass rushing ends in Moss and Dumervil.

I didn't include Engleberger on purpose. He sucks and I know someone will say he was the best against the run this year but you have to consider who we had on the d-line. I don't think he was better than Marcus Thomas at stuffing the run either.

[24bailey24]

From what ive seen he is a good player but like you say we have some depth at DL and i think we should try and let those rookies like Thomas and crowder develop. I say go for Kenny Phillips! :D

[Bronkster]

They are ignorant people who don't realize that we need holes filled...not depth at a position we address every offseason.

[muse]

Why do people want us to draft him in the 1st round? I know he's good at stopping the run and he could possibly switch back to DT but we already have Marcus Thomas to play UT which would be what Merling would play. If we re-sign Ekuban we have 2 run stopping DEs in Ekuban and Crowder and 2 pass rushing ends in Moss and Dumervil.

I didn't include Engleberger on purpose. He sucks and I know someone will say he was the best against the run this year but you have to consider who we had on the d-line. I don't think he was better than Marcus Thomas at stuffing the run either.

He was the best run stopper on the line and started the whole season with an ankle sprain. I think that tells us that he's an asset. Not flashy, not elite, but he's a solid player who puts his team first.

[anything]

Why do people want us to draft him in the 1st round? I know he's good at stopping the run and he could possibly switch back to DT but we already have Marcus Thomas to play UT which would be what Merling would play. If we re-sign Ekuban we have 2 run stopping DEs in Ekuban and Crowder and 2 pass rushing ends in Moss and Dumervil.

I didn't include Engleberger on purpose. He sucks and I know someone will say he was the best against the run this year but you have to consider who we had on the d-line. I don't think he was better than Marcus Thomas at stuffing the run either.
dont be hatin on engleberger he puts more effort in every play than majority of the defense

[24bailey24]

dont be hatin on engleberger he puts more effort in every play than majority of the defense

I like engleberger too but i really hope we get ekuban back this year, he is a stud

[stnzed]

How is Ebenezer Ekuban a Stud?......

[beastlyskronk]

dont be hatin on engleberger he puts more effort in every play than majority of the defense

Only .5 sack and 33 solo tackles. He puts in effort but you can only go so far on effort eventually you have to have skill.

[24bailey24]

How is Ebenezer Ekuban a Stud?......

Just look at the name! No i mite have over-exagerated a BIT but i really do like this guy and i think he can still contribute if he comes back next year

[Max Power]

Merling is versatile and a jack of all trades. He played DT his sophomore season, and DE this season. Because of his size and ability to generate pressure as well as close running lanes, I think Trevor Pryce is an apt comparison.

[beastlyskronk]

Merling is versatile and a jack of all trades. He played DT his sophomore season, and DE this season. Because of his size and ability to generate pressure as well as close running lanes, I think Trevor Pryce is an apt comparison.

A jack of all trades and a master of none.

[Max Power]

A jack of all trades and a master of none.

He's a master at run stopping technique and leverage, which is why Mike Mayock likes him so much.

Personally, I'm liking the idea of him being our pick more and more. You can never have enough good defensive linemen. Just ask the Giants.

[foolio2000]

He's a master at run stopping technique and leverage, which is why Mike Mayock likes him so much.

Personally, I'm liking the idea of him being our pick more and more. You can never have enough good defensive linemen. Just ask the Giants.

He could be our Justin Tuck!

But seriously, I would not mind drafting him he played pretty well at DT. If we do not go RB with number 12 I think this is our guy(I cannot see Shanny using a first rounder on a RB). Merling really is like a Justin Tuck/Trevor Pryce type player. As well, I am not sold on Clady as being a Denver OL. I do not think he is the type of lineman Shanny is looking for, which is why I think that Merling has a chance of showing up in the Orange and Blue.

[MHS]

Only .5 sack and 33 solo tackles. He puts in effort but you can only go so far on effort eventually you have to have skill.

tell rod smith that effort will only get you so far. He went his whole career on effort and is one of the best bronco players ever. Hard work will always get you farther then talent.

[Drunk Bronco]

ya I heard that on nfl network last nite....he is 6 5 tho...:rockon:Elvis Jarvis and Phil...sounds good to me

[stnzed]

Personally, I don't want a DE that can't stay at DE in passing situations, and if that is the type of player Merling is, I wouldn't be wasting the 12th pick on him.

Remember, Justin Tuck plays inside on passing downs because of the ridiculous amount of depth the Giants have at DE, not because he can't rush the passer from a DE position.

If that's the type of DE Merling is, forget him, don't waste your time. All I know is that when I watched the Clemson Tigers, Ricky Sapp is the one that stood out.

I'd rather reach for Derrick Harvey......

[MHS]

Personally, I don't want a DE that can't stay at DE in passing situations, and if that is the type of player Merling is, I wouldn't be wasting the 12th pick on him.

Remember, Justin Tuck plays inside on passing downs because of the ridiculous amount of depth the Giants have at DE, not because he can't rush the passer from a DE position.

If that's the type of DE Merling is, forget him, don't waste your time. All I know is that when I watched the Clemson Tigers, Ricky Sapp is the one that stood out.

I'd rather reach for Derrick Harvey......

harvey is the exact type of DE we have, pass rusher.. merling is great at stopping the run had he had 7 sacks which means he has some pass rush ability but he a more all around player then any DE we have.

[lancane]

harvey is the exact type of DE we have, pass rusher.. merling is great at stopping the run had he had 7 sacks which means he has some pass rush ability but he a more all around player then any DE we have.

It would be an idiot pick...an experimental pick to get a guy to stop the run, when we have enough of those defensive ends in our arsenal...Mallard, Peterson, Ekuban, Engleberger and possibly Crowder are good at stopping the run, we have our pass rushers in Dumervil and Moss, maybe some in Crowder and Ekuban. Merling would be too much a defensive farse pick and forced to be in the middle and though it sounds ideal for this team, it would be better to take Moore or Laws in the second round. If we take an end it should be on day two and for depth, we do not need another athlete with no true position. I would rather reach for Phillips then take Merling...it would be an idiotic pick, worse then trading up for Moss as we did last year.

[stnzed]

harvey is the exact type of DE we have, pass rusher.. merling is great at stopping the run had he had 7 sacks which means he has some pass rush ability but he a more all around player then any DE we have.

Like I said, I wouldn't waste a No1 draft pick on a DE that has to move inside on passing downs. IF the things people are saying about Merling are true, it sounds like he's that type of player.

I'll take a pass rusher like Harvey over stiffs like Ekuban/Engelberger any day of the week.

If Merling is this type of player, I'll pass, he isn't worth the 12th pick in the draft, I don't care how good he is against the run.

Of all the Clemson games I've seen, I've never seen Merling make a play that made me say: "Damn! There goes the 12th pick in the draft"! Ricky Sapp was by far the better player......

[Max Power]

Like I said, I wouldn't waste a No1 draft pick on a DE that has to move inside on passing downs. IF the things people are saying about Merling are true, it sounds like he's that type of player.

I'll take a pass rusher like Harvey over stiffs like Ekuban/Engelberger any day of the week.

If Merling is this type of player, I'll pass, he isn't worth the 12th pick in the draft, I don't care how good he is against the run......

Merling doesn't have to move inside on passing downs, he is a well-rounded everydown DE.

[stnzed]

It would be an idiot pick...an experimental pick to get a guy to stop the run, when we have enough of those defensive ends in our arsenal...Mallard, Peterson, Ekuban, Engleberger and possibly Crowder are good at stopping the run, we have our pass rushers in Dumervil and Moss, maybe some in Crowder and Ekuban. Merling would be too much a defensive farse pick and forced to be in the middle and though it sounds ideal for this team, it would be better to take Moore or Laws in the second round. If we take an end it should be on day two and for depth, we do not need another athlete with no true position. I would rather reach for Phillips then take Merling...it would be an idiotic pick, worse then trading up for Moss as we did last year.

Exactly!

Besides, the Broncos substitute far too much as it is......How many times did the defense have to waste a time out because the opposing offense went no-huddle because the Broncos were constantly bringing in defensive packages?

How many times did the defense get a Too Many Men On the Field penalty because of all the confusion the constant substitutions caused?

BS!

The 12th pick in the draft had better be able to become a complete player at some point, and I'd put my money on Harvey getting better against the run before Merling becoming an the edge rusher Harvey is.

"A Solid Pass Rusher" is not a 12th pick in the draft......

[stnzed]

Merling doesn't have to move inside on passing downs, he is a well-rounded everydown DE.


And 7 sacks is proof of that? I'm surprised he came out early with a season like that.

The 12th pick in the draft is not where you draft "A well-rounded every down DE"......

[Max Power]

And 7 sacks is proof of that? I'm surprised he came out early with a season like that.

The 12th pick in the draft is not where you draft "A well-rounded every down DE"......

So you'd rather have a one-dimensional end?

It's not just those 7 sacks, he pressured the QB a lot more than that. He also had a bunch of tackles for loss. 17 I believe.

Nice tunnel vision though.

[lancane]

So you'd rather have a one-dimensional end?

It's not just those 7 sacks, he pressured the QB a lot more than that.

We do not need him, we have two of the top rated ends from last years draft! They need to develop, you do not go and take another top end, even if he could move inside, it would be better to get a guy with a true position then someone who could be something elsewhere in the system. Defensive End, Tight End, Quarterback and Cornerback is not a need with this team...depth is one thing, need is another. Right now we have needs at defensive tackle and a true defensive tackle at that, linebacker, safety, halfback, offensive line and receiver...why take a kid for an area you look good at? That is how you screw your team on draft day.

[stnzed]

So you'd rather have a one-dimensional end?

It's not just those 7 sacks, he pressured the QB a lot more than that.

If that One Dimension is rushing the passer, F yeah!

If it's stopping the run on first down and taking up space on passing downs, NO!

As far as his pressuring the QB, according to the records (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/147/80057/index.html), Merling had 7 QB pressures! Compared to Ricky Sapp, Merling was invisible, and he had ZERO sacks in 07.

Merling had better stats, yet Sapp looked more like the 12th pick in the draft to me, and Sapp is nowhere near worthy of the 12th pick......

[Max Power]

If that One Dimension is rushing the passer, F yeah!

If it's stopping the run on first down and taking up space on passing downs, NO!

As far as his pressuring the QB, according to the records (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/147/80057/index.html), Merling had 7 QB pressures! Compared to Ricky Sapp, Merling was invisible, and he had ZERO sacks in 07.

Merling had better stats, yet Sapp looked more like the 12th pick in the draft to me, and Sapp is nowhere near worthy of the 12th pick......


http://www.o--rly.com/owl_orly.png

Says here he had 7 sacks and 17 TFL's:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58111



And who cares about Ricky Sapp, he ain't even in this draft.

[stnzed]

http://www.o--rly.com/owl_orly.png

Says here he had 7 sacks and 17 TFL's:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58111



And who cares about Ricky Sapp, he ain't even in this draft.


Merling shouldn't be either.

Those stats are almost identical to the page I posted, what's your point? If you have one.

[edit] If you could read, you'd know I was talking about Sapp having ZERO sacks.

Compared to Sapp, Merling was invisible, and Sapp didn't have any sacks in 07.

Better? Apology accepted......

[Max Power]

Merling shouldn't be either.

Those stats are almost identical to the page I posted, what's your point? If you have one......

You said Merling didn't have any sacks. I disproved that.

My point is Merling can rush the passer, and you are selling him short.

And keep up the condescending attitude, you're real cool. :rolleyes:

[stnzed]

You said Merling didn't have any sacks. I disproved that.

My point is Merling can rush the passer, and you are selling him short.

And keep up the condescending attitude, you're real cool. :rolleyes:


Read the post again! This time SSSSLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR......

[Max Power]

Read the post again! This time SSSSLLLLLLOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR......

Yeah, you edited your post. I didn't misread it before.

And how was Merling invisible compared to Sapp when he outproduced him? That doesn't make sense.

Again, keep up the condescending attitude. Maybe someday you'll get the cheerleader in your sig with it.

[stnzed]

Yeah, you edited your post. I didn't misread it before.

And how was Merling invisible compared to Sapp when he outproduced him? That doesn't make sense.

Again, keep up the condescending attitude. Maybe someday you'll get the cheerleader in your sig with it.


I didn't edit the original post! Go back and re-read that one......SSSSSLLLLOOOOWWWWLLLLLYYYYY.

This is my whole point: Sapp didn't have the stats Merling did, but was everywhere......Merling had better stats, but wasn't nearly as active as Sapp.

I would apologize for my attitude, but it's nearly impossible to not be condescending when I have to explain everything to you......

[Max Power]

I didn't edit the original post! Go back and re-read that one......SSSSSLLLLOOOOWWWWLLLLLYYYYY.

This is my whole point: Sapp didn't have the stats Merling did, but was everywhere......Merling had better stats, but wasn't nearly as active as Sapp.

I would apologize for my attitude, but it's nearly impossible to not be condescending when I have to explain everything to you......

right. Which is why Merling won the Rock Solid Award for most consistent player on the team and Sapp didn't.

:rolleyes:

[stnzed]

riiiiiiiiiiiight

:rolleyes:


OMG!!!!!! Now who's being condescending?...:laugh:...

[silkamilkamonic]

We should draft Merlin. You can never have enough good DE's.

[lancane]

We should draft Merlin. You can never have enough good DE's.

Actually you can...he would be a wasted pick. Maybe not a bust, but if I was him I sure in the hell would not want to be drafted by Denver who only last year took two of the top rated ends in the draft. Moss, Dumervil and Crowder are all top rated ends...enough is enough, we have other needs.

[stnzed]

right. Which is why Merling won the Rock Solid Award for most consistent player on the team and Sapp didn't.

:rolleyes:


Pfft! In that case, Denver may have to trade up to get him......

[beastlyskronk]

tell rod smith that effort will only get you so far. He went his whole career on effort and is one of the best bronco players ever. Hard work will always get you farther then talent.

Rod Smith had talent. Did you even watch him early in his career? He could play the ball great while it was in the air and after he caught the ball he could get up field faster than anyone else including Jerry Rice. He was only undrafted because he went to an extremely small college. I don't even think most of their games were taped. He was a guy you had to look at the stats and hope he could produce on the next level and he did but he did/does have great talent.

[silkamilkamonic]

Actually you can...he would be a wasted pick. Maybe not a bust, but if I was him I sure in the hell would not want to be drafted by Denver who only last year took two of the top rated ends in the draft. Moss, Dumervil and Crowder are all top rated ends...enough is enough, we have other needs.

Yea...... I was trying to give the "for" Merling people in this thread something to argue.

It really doesn't carry a lot of weight, does it? Any persons that have followed the NFL/draft/free agency understand the concept of not stockpiling one positing and attempting to fill holes.

Although 3 in 2 years could definitely solidify a weak position, drafting another one in the first round this year, after drafting 2 DE's in the top 2 rounds last year, could quite possibly be the worst drafting strategy at this moment in the NFL.

[lancane]

Yea...... I was trying to give the "for" Merling people in this thread something to argue.

It really doesn't carry a lot of weight, does it? Any persons that have followed the NFL/draft/free agency understand the concept of not stockpiling one positing and attempting to fill holes.

Although 3 in 2 years could definitely solidify a weak position, drafting another one in the first round this year, after drafting 2 DE's in the top 2 rounds last year, could quite possibly be the worst drafting strategy at this moment in the NFL.

It doesn't work, but Shanahan is not a draft wizard either...we took three cornerbacks not long ago and not one is starting for us, the one that did, may he rest in peace, but the other two have been utilized as nothing more then depth or in positions which are lacking...we need defensive line help, we draft three guys and it still is not enough! I am sorry, but we did better when the man went after more free agents and so by backing away from that could be even worse for the team. We need a veteran for the defensive front and we need to go after needs which are not stacked...we can not draft for need because it does not work, the BPA has backfired except for a few times mainly QB and LB, we need to spread it out and use both philosophies in the draft take the BPA that fits a need or semi-need...lol. If they drafted me and I was Merling, I would be asked to be traded!

[jlarsiii]

We do not need him, we have two of the top rated ends from last years draft! They need to develop, you do not go and take another top end, even if he could move inside, it would be better to get a guy with a true position then someone who could be something elsewhere in the system. Defensive End, Tight End, Quarterback and Cornerback is not a need with this team...depth is one thing, need is another. Right now we have needs at defensive tackle and a true defensive tackle at that, linebacker, safety, halfback, offensive line and receiver...why take a kid for an area you look good at? That is how you screw your team on draft day.

I am not advocating that we take another DE in the first round. I also believe that we are fairly well set at the position, and if the chance exists to upgrade at an area of need then that is what we should do.

However, you trying to make the argument that you would rather have a non-versatile player over a versatile player is ridiculous. I would take the versatile player any day of the week. I would love a DT that had the skills to be a pass rush DE on passing downs, or a LB that could be and edge rusher, or a Safety that had the skills to be a CB, or a RB that could run routes and catch like a WR, and so on. It sounds like you would rather have the one trick pony. . .

[lancane]

I am not advocating that we take another DE in the first round. I also believe that we are fairly well set at the position, and if the chance exists to upgrade at an area of need then that is what we should do.

However, you trying to make the argument that you would rather have a non-versatile player over a versatile player is ridiculous. I would take the versatile player any day of the week. I would love a DT that had the skills to be a pass rush DE on passing downs, or a LB that could be and edge rusher, or a Safety that had the skills to be a CB, or a RB that could run routes and catch like a WR, and so on. It sounds like you would rather have the one trick pony. . .

There is a difference between being against versatility and what I stated...and I do not want a player who is maybe good at this position so we risk a pick on him and yet he is better set at another...that is logic not anti-versatility! I want a halfback that can catch as well as run it all the way, I want a lineman able to pass block besides just run block - it is idiotic to take a cornerback who could be a safety, a tight end that could be a receiver, a center that could be a tackle...what you suggest is more risky then taking someone that is more set to a position then trying to make him fit another. Trevor Pryce was a defensive end we tried at tackle and ended up moving him back outside because it did not work as well as they hoped.

[stnzed]

Having to move inside on passing downs does not make you versatile, it makes you Vonnie Holliday......

[lancane]

Having to move inside on passing downs does not make you versatile, it makes you Vonnie Holliday......

HAHAHA...that is freaking hilarious, I spit on my monitor because of your statement!!!...lmfao.

[stnzed]

Thank you very little!......I'll be here all week!......Don't forget to tip your waitress...:D...

[Dean]

There is a difference between being against versatility and what I stated...and I do not want a player who is maybe good at this position so we risk a pick on him and yet he is better set at another...that is logic not anti-versatility! I want a halfback that can catch as well as run it all the way, I want a lineman able to pass block besides just run block - it is idiotic to take a cornerback who could be a safety, a tight end that could be a receiver, a center that could be a tackle...what you suggest is more risky then taking someone that is more set to a position then trying to make him fit another. Trevor Pryce was a defensive end we tried at tackle and ended up moving him back outside because it did not work as well as they hoped.

You chose a poor example. Pryce was one of the best D-tackles in the league at that time. We are talking pro bowl good. :rolleyes:

PS. Versatility of players is what made the Pats defenses the last five years so difficult to play. They would go 3-4 then 4-3 then 4-6...no one knew what to prepare against and as a team they could shrug off injuries without missing a beat.

[jlarsiii]

There is a difference between being against versatility and what I stated...and I do not want a player who is maybe good at this position so we risk a pick on him and yet he is better set at another...that is logic not anti-versatility! I want a halfback that can catch as well as run it all the way, I want a lineman able to pass block besides just run block - it is idiotic to take a cornerback who could be a safety, a tight end that could be a receiver, a center that could be a tackle...what you suggest is more risky then taking someone that is more set to a position then trying to make him fit another. Trevor Pryce was a defensive end we tried at tackle and ended up moving him back outside because it did not work as well as they hoped.

You missed the point I was trying to make completely. If you wanted to state that it was silly to draft a player at one position when his natural position is a different one then say so. But to state that you want a player that can only play one position, and one position only, is a waste of a player in my mind. I don't know where you came up with the cornerback drafted as a safety because I sure didn't say anything about that. My exact lines was a safety with the skills to play CB. That is almost a must in today's NFL because teams go three and four receiver sets and if your safety can't cover then you are f-ed unless you can sub in your nickel and dime DBs really quickly.

I can't believe you would argue against having versatility. That is beyond un-logical IMO. How do you think teams combat the injuries that pile up every season? It is by having players that can do more than one thing. Anything less then that is idiotic.

[BroncosTX77]

I can't believe what I have been reading....

People will pull any excuse out of their rear when someone suggests another player not named Mendenhall or Stewart to be taken at #12.

Denver rotates their Defensive Line and it seems Phillip Merling is a player in the Ekuban mold but better. So what if Merling is able to play DT and DE. He is good against the run and can penetrate to get to the passer. He gives Shanahan the versatility on the DLine to put in different looks and packages. Options only make a team better, not worse.

Again take off your Mendenhall/Stewart colored glasses and stop thinking like a fan and more like a GM.....

I would toast Merling if he was drafted by the Broncos. :cheers:

:salute:

[silkamilkamonic]

Can Merling play strictly DT, and have the potential to become a very good one? Then we might be making sense here.

[MHS]

Can Merling play strictly DT, and have the potential to become a very good one? Then we might be making sense here.

i dont think it is neccesary for him to play just DT... the broncos rotate their line alot and he could rotate in where he is needed just like pryce

[silkamilkamonic]

i dont think it is neccesary for him to play just DT... the broncos rotate their line alot and he could rotate in where he is needed just like pryce

If he's rotating at both DE/DT, he's only going to get a minimal amount of snaps at DT. He'll be rotating in the first place, and he'll be sharing the snaps he is playing at DE also.

It doesn't really settle not only our need for a quality starting player at the DT position, but depth also.

We flat out don't need anymore DE's. We need an abundance of DT's. If Denver chooses to go dline, make a decision to get a DT. Not some player that's going to rotate between the 2 spots, and not fill a heavy need as a DT.

[beastlyskronk]

You chose a poor example. Pryce was one of the best D-tackles in the league at that time. We are talking pro bowl good. :rolleyes:

PS. Versatility of players is what made the Pats defenses the last five years so difficult to play. They would go 3-4 then 4-3 then 4-6...no one knew what to prepare against and as a team they could shrug off injuries without missing a beat.

If he was so good at DT then how come he was moved back to DE. :rolleyes:

[foolio2000]

If he's rotating at both DE/DT, he's only going to get a minimal amount of snaps at DT. He'll be rotating in the first place, and he'll be sharing the snaps he is playing at DE also.

It doesn't really settle not only our need for a quality starting player at the DT position, but depth also.

We flat out don't need anymore DE's. We need an abundance of DT's. If Denver chooses to go dline, make a decision to get a DT. Not some player that's going to rotate between the 2 spots, and not fill a heavy need as a DT.

By no means do we need an abundance of DTs. That did not work so well last year. What we need are a couple of quality DTs. We have 1 we need 2 more I would say. A veteran and a decent one from the draft *cough* Trevor Laws.

[stnzed]

The Broncos need FOUR DT's (and, sorry Foolio, Demetrin Veal......I mean, Trevor Laws ain't one of them), they have Marcus Thomas (Maybe!) and that's it.

That's as close to an "abundance" as it gets......

[beastlyskronk]

We don't need an abundance of anything. We have too many needs.

[stnzed]

Btw, if Merling were anything like Trevor Pryce, it wouldn't even be debatable on whether or not he's worth drafting at 12.

He's not! And it is!......

[stnzed]

You chose a poor example. Pryce was one of the best D-tackles in the league at that time. We are talking pro bowl good. :rolleyes:

PS. Versatility of players is what made the Pats defenses the last five years so difficult to play. They would go 3-4 then 4-3 then 4-6...no one knew what to prepare against and as a team they could shrug off injuries without missing a beat.


The Patriots have Belichick to coach the defense (Not to mention Warren, Wilfork and Seymore), the Broncos have Mike Shana......I mean Bob Slowik to coach their defense.

12 is not where you draft question marks, Denver needs a home run here......Merling has way too many question marks.

Merling would be a wasted pick!

I have to disagree with you on this one, Dean......

[CTM]

We already have Crowder, Moss, and Dumervil. Why would we need another young DE? We need DT. If you're a GM and you need a receiver, would you draft a TE because they say he can sometimes line up in the slot? NO! You draft a receiver! Come on people!

[beastlyskronk]

We already have Crowder, Moss, and Dumervil. Why would we need another young DE? We need DT. If you're a GM and you need a receiver, would you draft a TE because they say he can sometimes line up in the slot? NO! You draft a receiver! Come on people!

The logic in taking Merling is that he can stop the run and the only player that was good at stopping the run last year was Crowder.

[MHS]

We already have Crowder, Moss, and Dumervil. Why would we need another young DE? We need DT. If you're a GM and you need a receiver, would you draft a TE because they say he can sometimes line up in the slot? NO! You draft a receiver! Come on people!

dumervil is not an every down DE and moss could turn out to be the same... which means out of those three crowder may be the only full time starter.

[Dean]

The Patriots have Belichick to coach the defense (Not to mention Warren, Wilfork and Seymore), the Broncos have Mike Shana......I mean Bob Slowik to coach their defense.

12 is not where you draft question marks, Denver needs a home run here......Merling has way too many question marks.

Merling would be a wasted pick!

I have to disagree with you on this one, Dean......

I am not proposing that we take Merling at the twelfth or any other pick. I was merely pointing out that the logic being used was flawed.

Versatility is a plus for a draft pick not a drawback. Secondly the choice of Trevor to make the point actually was opposed to what the poster was trying to illustrate.

I intend to wait until after the combine and the first few weeks of free agency before I pull the trigger on what the Broncos have to do (sarcasm) in the draft. Right now a trade down for more picks and placing us where problem areas can be filled without a reach appears to be a good choice. That is if a trade partner can be found.

[beastlyskronk]

dumervil is not an every down DE and moss could turn out to be the same... which means out of those three crowder may be the only full time starter.

I doubt Moss won't be an everydown player but I do agree with the Elvis Dumervil statement. Moss can put on 10-15 pounds and not slow down his burst of his first step. While if Dumervil does he would probably slow down more.

Also Moss should have tremendous arm strength since that's all he's been able to work out. I would suggest that we don't re-sign Dumervil next year if his run defense doesn't improve but we probably would because we still probably wouldn't know what we have in Moss.

[MHS]

I doubt Moss won't be an everydown player but I do agree with the Elvis Dumervil statement. Moss can put on 10-15 pounds and not slow down his burst of his first step. While if Dumervil does he would probably slow down more.

Also Moss should have tremendous arm strength since that's all he's been able to work out. I would suggest that we don't re-sign Dumervil next year if his run defense doesn't improve but we probably would because we still probably wouldn't know what we have in Moss.

suggest not resigning doom:confused: i dont care if he isnt an everydown player he is a playmaker and we need that and should resign him. Merling is becoming more appealing to me because teaming him with doom crowder and moss would give us such a good set of DE's it would be awsome. He can also play DT and just rotate throughout the line. I either want the broncos to get merling or phillips in the first.

[beastlyskronk]

suggest not resigning doom:confused: i dont care if he isnt an everydown player he is a playmaker and we need that and should resign him. Merling is becoming more appealing to me because teaming him with doom crowder and moss would give us such a good set of DE's it would be awsome. He can also play DT and just rotate throughout the line. I either want the broncos to get merling or phillips in the first.

Yes we shouldn't re-sign Dumervil. He'll ask for way more money than he's worth. He's just going to be a KGB type of player in the League. Meanwhile Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder can be everydown players. Then we have Kenny Peterson and Josh Mallard for relief.

[foolio2000]

The Broncos need FOUR DT's (and, sorry Foolio, Demetrin Veal......I mean, Trevor Laws ain't one of them), they have Marcus Thomas (Maybe!) and that's it.

That's as close to an "abundance" as it gets......

What I was trying to say is that I believe in quality over quantity. We have a lot of DEs, according to NFL.com we have 7. In my opinion, only one has proven himself to be a good DE, that being Dumervil. I think Ekuban is a solid DE when healthy. I believe Crowder WILL be, I think Mallard can be solid. What I am trying to say is again I do not believe Shanny's idea of overloading a position is the answer (no, this is not an anti-Shanny post).

I would rather have 2 solid/good DEs than 4 Demetrin Veals. I understand you think Trevor Laws will be another Veal, and you have the right to feel that way, I however do not feel that way. He showed great production at DT and at 3-4 DE for a big program and I believe that will transfer into the pros. I very well may be wrong, but hey so could you.

[stnzed]

Moss and Dumevil's run defense are the least of Denver's worries.

Moss held up just fine in run defense before he got hurt, and he played a lot on the left side, making it even more impressive to me.

Crowder came in with a good reputation for stopping the run and he showed a lot of promise as a pass rusher (4.5 sacks in limited time).

Dumervil, on the other hand, is best used as a pass rush specialist, and Denver should hope they can use him mostly in that role, cause he is dynamic.

Starting Moss at RE and Crowder at LE should be the plan, imo, with Dumervil coming in on passing downs. Bringing in Derrick Harvey would be Fing sweet, imo, but it's not a do or die situation.

Merling at 12 just makes ZERO sense, he isn't any better than Crowder and it sure as hell doesn't sound like he's a full time DT.

But hey, Denver's past is riddled with mistakes like Merling, so there is a good chance you all could be saying "I told you so!" come April 26th......

[stnzed]

What I was trying to say is that I believe in quality over quantity. We have a lot of DEs, according to NFL.com we have 7. In my opinion, only one has proven himself to be a good DE, that being Dumervil. I think Ekuban is a solid DE when healthy. I believe Crowder WILL be, I think Mallard can be solid. What I am trying to say is again I do not believe Shanny's idea of overloading a position is the answer (no, this is not an anti-Shanny post).

I would rather have 2 solid/good DEs than 4 Demetrin Veals. I understand you think Trevor Laws will be another Veal, and you have the right to feel that way, I however do not feel that way. He showed great production at DT and at 3-4 DE for a big program and I believe that will transfer into the pros. I very well may be wrong, but hey so could you.


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