Rogers-to-Denver Rumors are Premature (Lions Expecting 2nd or 3rd Round Pick)

[mx_stiles13]

Rogers-to-Denver rumors are premature
by Tom Kowalski
Tuesday February 26, 2008, 9:18 AM

Contrary to several media reports, a trade that would send Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to the Denver Broncos is not imminent.

While it's true the Broncos have talked to the Lions about a possible trade, the Broncos are just one of several teams involved in those discussions. A source close to the team said the Lions will continue to negotiate up until Friday, the first official day a trade can be transacted. If the Lions don't get the compensation they're looking for, they'll keep Rogers on the roster. The Lions are seeking at least a second- or third-round draft pick as compensation.

By the way, there is no debate about Rogers' $1 million roster bonus that is due on Saturday. The club had planned to pay that bonus whether trade talks were white-hot or ice-cold. Head coach Rod Marinelli has said repeatedly the Lions will not release Rogers. If the Lions can't deal Rogers within the next week or so, they'll wait until the draft in April to see if interest is rekindled. If not, the Lions will continue to hang on to Rogers into training camp before making any decisions about his future.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/02/rogerstodenver_rumors_are_prem.html


Sounds like we won't get him. There is no way we give up our 2nd.

[BroncosTX77]

Preparations taking shape for free agency
By Bill Williamson
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 02/25/2008 11:59:33 PM MST

While the Broncos are spending the week considering trade proposals, they also are in final preparations for free agency, which begins Friday.

Denver was the NFL's most aggressive team in signing free agents a year ago. But the team, which has about $16 million in salary cap room, isn't expected to make huge headlines this offseason.

The Broncos likely will pursue a few starting-quality players and look for contributors on special teams in free agency. Positions the Broncos will look to strengthen include defensive line, linebacker, safety and wide receiver.

Teams can't talk to free agents until the market opens.

On the defensive line, players the Broncos are believed to be interested in include Cincinnati's Justin Smith, San Francisco's Marques Douglas and Oakland's Tommy Kelly.

At linebacker, Detroit's Boss Bailey, Atlanta's DeMorrio Williams and Pittsburgh's Clark Haggans might be attractive. At safety, the Giants' Gibril Wilson and Carolina's Marquand Manuel could be possibilities.

The free-agent class at wide receiver is thin, but expensive. It includes Chicago's Bernard Berrian, Arizona's Bryant Johnson and Seattle's D.J. Hackett, a former Colorado standout.

Ekuban to free agency.

Barring a last- minute change, the agent for Ebenezer Ekuban said the veteran defensive end will enter free agency on Friday.

"We're going to test free agency and see what happens," agent Drew Rosenhaus said. "We'll stay in touch with the Broncos."

It appears fullback Cecil Sapp also is headed for free agency. Several teams, including Kansas City and Miami, are interested in Sapp. The Broncos are headed toward giving safety Hamza Abdullah a restricted free-agency tender, with talks of a long-term deal subsiding.

Rogers trade talk.

Two NFL sources said Monday the Broncos and Lions are not close to finalizing a trade involving Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. The Broncos are exploring the idea, but no substantive talks have occurred, with none expected until later in the week.

Detroit general manager Matt Millen has said the Lions would need at least a second-round draft pick for Rogers. Cincinnati, Buffalo and the Jets are expected to push for Rogers. No trade can become official until Friday.

Denver is looking to trade wide receiver Javon Walker. Tampa Bay and Dallas appear to be the most interested.

Williams Memorial.

The Darrent Williams Memorial Teen Center in Montbello is set to open May 29.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8363091

[kthxbai]

Sounds like we won't get him. There is no way we give up our 2nd.

Says who? You never know what way Shanny might go...

[Loyalty]

I doubt Denver trades its 2nd pick. Obviously since the Broncos do not have a 3rd pick (traded to Vikings last year so we could draft DT Marcus Thomas) we won't be trading that. I could see the Broncos swapping first round picks we move down to 15 and they move up to 12 and we throw in a 4th or 5th round pick. The difference in points between the 12th pick and the 15th pick according to the NFL Draft Value Chart (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670) is a 150 points which is equivalent to the 24th pick in the 3rd round. Perhaps we will just swap first round picks and add Rogers?

[fraguela09]

Trade for Dewayne Robertson from the Jets... They wont to dump his contract. Have them throw Vilma in... We'll work something out.

[muse]

Trade for Dewayne Robertson from the Jets... They wont to dump his contract. Have them throw Vilma in... We'll work something out.

Hmm, i don't know what we'd have to give to get both of them. It'd probably be quite a lot unless they'll take Walker (I can't really speculate on that). Robertson would hit about 7mill. So he'd have to get a new deal.

[fraguela09]

Hmm, i don't know what we'd have to give to get both of them. It'd probably be quite a lot unless they'll take Walker (I can't really speculate on that). Robertson would hit about 7mill. So he'd have to get a new deal.



YES. Robertson would have to restructure his deal if a trade is to be made. I'm thinking that NY wants to jettison his enormous contract and would be willing to trade him for a 4th/5th round pick or something. The guy is 26, a former top five draft selection... He's not as talented as Rodgers but he's more consistent (and less of a risk). NO CHARACTER problems either... AND, he'll blend in nicely with our young, up-&-coming DL.

I would take Coleman first (just costs us money)... Trade for Rodgers next (if he didn't cost a Day One pick)... BUT, once you consider everything... This guy would be better than ANY DT we could select this draft!

AND... if we can sucker NY to include Vilma!

[silkamilkamonic]

Says who? You never know what way Shanny might go...

We better not give up our second.

1 pick on the first day, and then not another until the fourth round?

That would be incredibly disappointing, and if a first round pick and Shaun Rogers is all we get out of it, that's some poor decision making with draft picks.

The old pic of Shanahan with the bin of players saying "WHo's throwing away all these pro bowlers" can be changed to "lets go ahead and just throw away all our impacting draft pics".....

[diesel51]

Would ya'll be happy with a Javon Walker and our 1st 4th round pick to the Jets for Vilma and Robertson?

Not that I could help you gain that happiness! ;)

[Kon]

Would ya'll be happy with a Javon Walker and our 1st 4th round pick to the Jets for Vilma and Robertson?

Not that I could help you gain that happiness! ;)

Only if we could re-sign them both.

[broncos9697]

Trade for Dewayne Robertson from the Jets... They wont to dump his contract. Have them throw Vilma in... We'll work something out.

why not our 2nd and 6th for rogers and boss

[fraguela09]

why not our 2nd and 6th for rogers and boss


(1) We can sign Boss and give up nothing...

(2) We do not have a 3rd rounder

(3) We need all the picks we have AND MORE

(4) Too much risk in Rodgers to warrant paying sucha heavy price

(5) Cheaper options on the market right now

[wickftball53]

Trade: Lions
3rd rounder and 4th next year
Receive: Shaun Rogers.

Trade: Jets
Javon Walker, first round pick this year, and second rounder next year.
Receive: #6 pick in draft, Jonathan Vilma
This trade is contingent upon dorsey or ellis being available.
If both of these trades are pulled off the Broncos have a dramatically different front seven.
RE: Jarvis Moss
DT: Shaun Rogers
DT: Ellis/Dorsey/Thomas
LE: Elvis Dumervil
OLB: DJ
MLB: Vilma
OLB: Gold

Safety Depth: Broncos sign Gibril Wilson(He's a good player-plain and simple who has range and playmaking ability)

So the Secondary looks like this:
FS: Gibril Wilson
SS: Hamza Abdullah
RCB: Dre Bly
LCB: Champ
Nickel Back- Foxworth

Of course this prolly won't happen but if it did our D would be close to tops in the league. I'm gonna handle the Offense in another posting.

[lancane]

Trade: Lions
3rd rounder and 4th next year
Receive: Shaun Rogers.

Trade: Jets
Javon Walker, first round pick this year, and second rounder next year.
Receive: #6 pick in draft, Jonathan Vilma
This trade is contingent upon dorsey or ellis being available.
If both of these trades are pulled off the Broncos have a dramatically different front seven.
RE: Jarvis Moss
DT: Shaun Rogers
DT: Ellis/Dorsey/Thomas
LE: Elvis Dumervil
OLB: DJ
MLB: Vilma
OLB: Gold

Safety Depth: Broncos sign Gibril Wilson(He's a good player-plain and simple who has range and playmaking ability)

So the Secondary looks like this:
FS: Gibril Wilson
SS: Hamza Abdullah
RCB: Dre Bly
LCB: Champ
Nickel Back- Foxworth

Of course this prolly won't happen but if it did our D would be close to tops in the league. I'm gonna handle the Offense in another posting.

This is why crack is illegal! It makes you come up with some freaky crap that will never happen...lol.

Denver is not interested in Vilma, or in Fred, Barney or Betty...hehehe, is injured and they are not going to risk it IMHO. Secondly no team is going to trade down with us without giving up loads to get higher in the draft. And no way do the Broncos trade for Rogers then go after Ellis or Dorsey, if they could take either of them, well Rogers is out or if we take Rogers we would try and get Long for our offensive line! And our second rounder next year in one of the most stout defensive drafts in recent memory would be real stupid IMHO!

"JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!" ;)

[wickftball53]

Ok in my last post I traded away the third round pick in this years draft so the Broncos have only one pick on the first day. The defense is upgraded for the second straight year while the offense is kinda left hangin in the draft. But free agency is still there to add some weapons for Jay Cutler. Here it is.

Qb: Fine.
Rb: The addition of Jesse Chatman would be a nice weapon for the backfield because of his speed and strength. Even though there is an awesome amount of depth in the backfield he could improve the position.
Fb: Fine.
Wr: Randy Moss(would be amazing if possible at all), Bryant Johnson.
Te: Fine
Ol: Fine

So heres the starting lineup.
Qb: Jay Cutler
Rb: Travis Henry
Fb: Mike Bell/Cecil Sapp
Wr 1: Randy Moss(if added), Brandon Marshall(If Moss isn't added)
Wr 2: Brandon Marshall(if Moss is added), Bryant Johnson(if Moss isn't)
Te: Tony Scheffler(they shouldn't have given money to a glorified blocking tight end, Tony is a threat down the field and a high-effort player)
LT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris
LG: Chris Kuper
C: Nalen
RG: add L.J. Shelton
RT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris

Additions: Randy Moss, Bryant Johnson, L.J. Shelton
Only add one or the other of the wide receivers.

[fraguela09]

Ok in my last post I traded away the third round pick in this years draft so the Broncos have only one pick on the first day. The defense is upgraded for the second straight year while the offense is kinda left hangin in the draft. But free agency is still there to add some weapons for Jay Cutler. Here it is.

Qb: Fine.
Rb: The addition of Jesse Chatman would be a nice weapon for the backfield because of his speed and strength. Even though there is an awesome amount of depth in the backfield he could improve the position.
Fb: Fine.
Wr: Randy Moss(would be amazing if possible at all), Bryant Johnson.
Te: Fine
Ol: Fine

So heres the starting lineup.
Qb: Jay Cutler
Rb: Travis Henry
Fb: Mike Bell/Cecil Sapp
Wr 1: Randy Moss(if added), Brandon Marshall(If Moss isn't added)
Wr 2: Brandon Marshall(if Moss is added), Bryant Johnson(if Moss isn't)
Te: Tony Scheffler(they shouldn't have given money to a glorified blocking tight end, Tony is a threat down the field and a high-effort player)
LT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris
LG: Chris Kuper
C: Nalen
RG: add L.J. Shelton
RT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris

Additions: Randy Moss, Bryant Johnson, L.J. Shelton
Only add one or the other of the wide receivers.


We do not have a 3rd rounder this year... YET.

[wickftball53]

Dude there is no way the Broncos take an O-Lineman high in the draft. They don't do that because they don't need high draft picks to have a good O-line. Vilma will be fine. Besides dude you need depth on the D-line and MArcus is locked up for years and is cheap. Ellis is a legit talent and we don't know what we're getting from Rogers. Might have to cut him in a year.



This is why crack is illegal! It makes you come up with some freaky crap that will never happen...lol.

Denver is not interested in Vilma, or in Fred, Barney or Betty...hehehe, is injured and they are not going to risk it IMHO. Secondly no team is going to trade down with us without giving up loads to get higher in the draft. And no way do the Broncos trade for Rogers then go after Ellis or Dorsey, if they could take either of them, well Rogers is out or if we take Rogers we would try and get Long for our offensive line! And our second rounder next year in one of the most stout defensive drafts in recent memory would be real stupid IMHO!

"JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!" ;)

[beastlyskronk]

Ok in my last post I traded away the third round pick in this years draft so the Broncos have only one pick on the first day. The defense is upgraded for the second straight year while the offense is kinda left hangin in the draft. But free agency is still there to add some weapons for Jay Cutler. Here it is.

Qb: Fine.
Rb: The addition of Jesse Chatman would be a nice weapon for the backfield because of his speed and strength. Even though there is an awesome amount of depth in the backfield he could improve the position.
Fb: Fine.
Wr: Randy Moss(would be amazing if possible at all), Bryant Johnson.
Te: Fine
Ol: Fine

So heres the starting lineup.
Qb: Jay Cutler
Rb: Travis Henry
Fb: Mike Bell/Cecil Sapp
Wr 1: Randy Moss(if added), Brandon Marshall(If Moss isn't added)
Wr 2: Brandon Marshall(if Moss is added), Bryant Johnson(if Moss isn't)
Te: Tony Scheffler(they shouldn't have given money to a glorified blocking tight end, Tony is a threat down the field and a high-effort player)
LT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris
LG: Chris Kuper
C: Nalen
RG: add L.J. Shelton
RT: Erik Pears or Ryan Harris

Additions: Randy Moss, Bryant Johnson, L.J. Shelton
Only add one or the other of the wide receivers.

WHAT IS THIS? First off I don't see Montrae Holland anywhere on there. LJ Shelton can't pass block so he would be the same thing but bigger than our other linemen. WHY do we need Jesse Chatman when Andre Hall is essentially the same exact player but with a different name? If our o-line could have pass blocked last year Daniel Graham would have had at least 40 receptions but no they sucked and he had to help protect Cutler. Cecil Sapp probably won't even be back next year nor will Mike Bell. There's no way we could afford Randy Moss. He'll probably want 12 mil a year. If you were smoking crack on defense then you must have cocaine for offense.

Trade: Lions
3rd rounder and 4th next year
Receive: Shaun Rogers.

Trade: Jets
Javon Walker, first round pick this year, and second rounder next year.
Receive: #6 pick in draft, Jonathan Vilma
This trade is contingent upon dorsey or ellis being available.
If both of these trades are pulled off the Broncos have a dramatically different front seven.
RE: Jarvis Moss
DT: Shaun Rogers
DT: Ellis/Dorsey/Thomas
LE: Elvis Dumervil
OLB: DJ
MLB: Vilma
OLB: Gold

Safety Depth: Broncos sign Gibril Wilson(He's a good player-plain and simple who has range and playmaking ability)

So the Secondary looks like this:
FS: Gibril Wilson
SS: Hamza Abdullah
RCB: Dre Bly
LCB: Champ
Nickel Back- Foxworth

Of course this prolly won't happen but if it did our D would be close to tops in the league. I'm gonna handle the Offense in another posting.

With Rogers, Thomas, McKinley, Mallard, and Harris that is plenty of depth at DT. Vilma has a bone defiency in which they are missing parts of his bone and it's believed that's why he was hurt last year and even if we got then DJ would demand to be traded and with Denver's luck we would trade DJ and then Vilma would suffer a career ending injury thus screwing us. I also have a hard time believing both Jarvis Moss and Elvis Dumervil would start over Tim Crowder and Gibril Wilson would start over John Lynch.

[muse]

With Rogers, Thomas, McKinley, Mallard, and Harris that is plenty of depth at DT.

I wouldn't agree with that simply because if Rogers turns out bad then we're back to the same scenario as last year (albeit Marcus SHOULD progress substantially next season). Taking a DT high in the draft would be my priority no matter what happens in FA/trades. McKinley and Mallard are fine in rotation but I wouldn't be comfortable starting either of them. Harris is a project and could end up on PS.

[lancane]

Dude there is no way the Broncos take an O-Lineman high in the draft. They don't do that because they don't need high draft picks to have a good O-line. Vilma will be fine. Besides dude you need depth on the D-line and MArcus is locked up for years and is cheap. Ellis is a legit talent and we don't know what we're getting from Rogers. Might have to cut him in a year.

First of I hate that retarted term 'Dude', and secondly everyone in the Broncos staff has admitted an offensive pick is very feesable in the first round...Dennison is not sure about Harris, in fact the last statement he made on the subject to the media 'is though Harris is favored to win the left tackle position, if they get someone via free agency or the draft he would likely be moved to the right tackle position.' Do I believe an offensive tackle will be our first round pick, no...but I do admit it is feesable...infact I am of the mind that is quite possible our first two picks will be offensive and not defensive players like 90% off the world believes...lol. That is just like Shanahan IMHO and would be fitting since this offense was one of the worst in overall scoring in the league and worst during Shanahan's tenure as HC.

We will not trade the entire draft next year in what may be a season before an uncapped year, we will likely tie up all of our free agents in the 2010 season except those we will likely let walk and one of those I believe we will trade next year is D.J. Williams, he has not lived up to expectations and why would Denver go after Vilma with a knee injury? After the whole Walker debacle and not being sold on Williams? I repsoect your opinion, but Denver is going to think long-term right now as well, we are giving alot of restricted free agent tenders to particular players so we can not lose them in the next two years without getting something in return. In all honesty the front office has stated twice that they are going into free agency looking to add defensively more then offensively...that means they are looking for starters and then will look to draft depth! As far as the defensive line is concerned the coaches are still very high on Thomas, McKinley and Harris...so either we find our starter in free agency or the draft, one or the other IMHO, but we are not going to go Oakland stupid and put so much talent at a position we literally can not improve elsewhere. We will not get Ellis, we will only get Dorsey if he fell in our laps, we are likely if we take a linebacker in the first through fourth rounds to take a middle linebacker and likely only one, Denver also is not impressed with safeties and will bring someone in free agency.

All in all the draft could end up being very offensive overall in the end. ;)

[beastlyskronk]

I wouldn't agree with that simply because if Rogers turns out bad then we're back to the same scenario as last year (albeit Marcus SHOULD progress substantially next season). Taking a DT high in the draft would be my priority no matter what happens in FA/trades. McKinley and Mallard are fine in rotation but I wouldn't be comfortable starting either of them. Harris is a project and could end up on PS.

This was in response to just next year not more long term.

[Cugel]

(1) We can sign Boss and give up nothing...

(2) We do not have a 3rd rounder

(3) We need all the picks we have AND MORE

(4) Too much risk in Rodgers to warrant paying sucha heavy price

(5) Cheaper options on the market right now

I totally agree!

So far this off-season Bowlen and Shanahan have been talking about having "more discipline" in FA and "not overpaying." Well, here's the test! Are they going to give up a 2nd round pick for a 28 year old DT who has weight and conditioning and attitude problems and wore his welcome out in Detroit of all places.

While he was a force in the Broncos game, he sure didn't help them win any games down the stretch! He totally disappeared as his weight and conditioning problems took their toll.

In short, he's talented but a risky acquisition. And CERTAINLY NOT worth a 2nd round pick (especially, the #12 pick of the 2nd round)!

If the Broncos had a 3rd round pick, I'd say that he might be worth a 3rd, although I would hesitate to give up any first day pick for Rogers. Since they don't I'd offer a 4th this year and maybe a 3rd next year or something.

If they want to hold onto Rogers and pay him a $1 million roster bonus, let them! Don't over-pay for FAs! That has to be the Broncos new motto.

For far too long they have lacked discipline in FA. Last year was the worst example, as they signed every aging, has-been, FA DL under the sun: Jimmy Kennedy, Sam Adams, Simeon Rice, the list goes on and on.

And all of them were total busts. Throw in FA scrubs like Amon Gordon and Antwon Burton and you have a litany of total failure the likes of which I have never seen. :coffee:

Time for a new approach! Stick to the draft. Draft talent and develop it. Then re-sign your veterans when their rookie contracts expire. In short, develop from within like every other team. Have discipline! :coffee:

[beastlyskronk]

While we were signing these busts and scrubs we released Demetrin Veal who went to the Saints and started a couple of games and he did better than all of our DTs.:sad: