Dwayne Robertson!!!

[KWHIT97]

I have read all there is to read, and I think it is time to go and get this guy!

The Jets have been shopping him for a 1st (nobody budged), then a 2nd and 3rd (nobody budged), I think realistically we can get this guy for a 4th and maybe a conditional pick in 09', or maybe give them Foxy and a 5th for him.

Odviously his deal will need reworked, he is a high character guy who I think will welcome a change of scenery and a new scheme, so he may take a pay cut.

I will feel very comfortable at the DT position if we can get this guy without giving much up, then in the 2nd we add a kid like Dre Moore, that will give us a basic 4 man rotation of; Dwayne Robertson, Marcus Thomas, Alvin McKinley, and Dre Moore, I would feel very comfortable with that!

So I say to you Mike Shanahan "it is time to go and get this guy, we must fill our most pressing need NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!! :coffee:

[basbllplaya26]

i would have to agree..

if we got him via trade, and signed boss bailey i believe our defensive woes would be fixed... well maybe not that easily but it would be a good start

[Maharishineo]

I have read all there is to read, and I think it is time to go and get this guy!

The Jets have been shopping him for a 1st (nobody budged), then a 2nd and 3rd (nobody budged), I think realistically we can get this guy for a 4th and maybe a conditional pick in 09', or maybe give them Foxy and a 5th for him.

Odviously his deal will need reworked, he is a high character guy who I think will welcome a change of scenery and a new scheme, so he may take a pay cut.

I will feel very comfortable at the DT position if we can get this guy without giving much up, then in the 2nd we add a kid like Dre Moore, that will give us a basic 4 man rotation of; Dwayne Robertson, Marcus Thomas, Alvin McKinley, and Dre Moore, I would feel very comfortable with that!

So I say to you Mike Shanahan "it is time to go and get this guy, we must fill our most pressing need NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!! :coffee:

Just say no. Look, there are reports that they're going to cut this guy. Why waist a valuable fourth round pick on him? So we don't overpay competing for him? He's slated to make over 11 million this year, trust me, nobody's going to pay that in free agency. So long as he does get cut, we get to keep our draft picks and save some money at the same time. Patience, friend, patience.

[mx_stiles13]

This thread totally ****ed me off hahahaha.

I got excited that maybe we signed him or something.

[KWHIT97]

I just think that if we trade for him now we can re-do his contract the way we see fit and save alot of money.

If we wait till he is cut and he hits the open market we will be outbid on him.
A 4th round pick, tell me he is not worth giving up a 4th round pick, any DT we can take in the 4th round will take 2 or 3 years to develop!!!

[Ravage!!!]

Just say no. Look, there are reports that they're going to cut this guy. Why waist a valuable fourth round pick on him? So we don't overpay competing for him? He's slated to make over 11 million this year, trust me, nobody's going to pay that in free agency. So long as he does get cut, we get to keep our draft picks and save some money at the same time. Patience, friend, patience.

He wouldn't be getting 11 million if he hits the FA market, because that contract goes out the door. Obviously we would have to renegotiate his contract, that goes without saying, and I believe thats pretty common when signing any player traded for.

But waiting for him to hit the open FA market would be a HUGE mistake if we could get him for a 4th round pick. There is not a 4th round pick in the draft that could make the impact he can to our starting defense. If we can get him for a 4th, we jump on it.

But the going price is a 3rd and a 5th for starting DTs. Right now, it would take a traded player. However I agree with MUG. I don't think its a coincidence that the team in the league that NEEDs a DT the most is quiet, and a team that NEEDS a corner is being quiet. Considering, I agree that it feels as though something is being worked out. Don't be shocked to see if Denver trades away foxworth and a draft choice for this guy.

[Nick]

I have read all there is to read, and I think it is time to go and get this guy!

The Jets have been shopping him for a 1st (nobody budged), then a 2nd and 3rd (nobody budged), I think realistically we can get this guy for a 4th and maybe a conditional pick in 09', or maybe give them Foxy and a 5th for him.

Odviously his deal will need reworked, he is a high character guy who I think will welcome a change of scenery and a new scheme, so he may take a pay cut.

I will feel very comfortable at the DT position if we can get this guy without giving much up, then in the 2nd we add a kid like Dre Moore, that will give us a basic 4 man rotation of; Dwayne Robertson, Marcus Thomas, Alvin McKinley, and Dre Moore, I would feel very comfortable with that!

So I say to you Mike Shanahan "it is time to go and get this guy, we must fill our most pressing need NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!! :coffee:

FYI - If they give him away so cheap. Not going to happen anytime soon. They will hold onto for a 3rd and fifth which everyone else has been getting. Hopefully they can package Foxy and a little later of a pick, like a 4th but I think that has been already offered by the rumors of a 2nd and foxy. Normally those rumors are always from the team that is trying to get the most out of a traded player.

I would not be suprised what so ever if this trade does happen. I would be happy grabbing him where all of the quality DT's will be gone most likely in the first day of the draft.

It seems like this is the guy the Broncos have had an eye on... but will not risk a 2nd rounder for him.

Part of my self thinks a team is going to also get him for a 3rd and 5th. Hopefully our 4th and foxy looks just as good to them.

[Ravage!!!]

But I don't think this needed ANOTHER thread to talk about, since its been talked to death on in several other FA threads. We don't have to start a NEW thread each time someone wants to express their "craving need" to spend money in Free Agency.

[CTM]

As long as we dont give up too much I would be happy with that. I like the 4th and conditional next year. We should try to ship Foxy for a 3rd. There has to be a team out there that likes Foxy enough to deal for him.

[Maharishineo]

I just think that if we trade for him now we can re-do his contract the way we see fit and save alot of money.

If we wait till he is cut and he hits the open market we will be outbid on him.
A 4th round pick, tell me he is not worth giving up a 4th round pick, any DT we can take in the 4th round will take 2 or 3 years to develop!!!

We will be outbid? If we're willing to pay him 11 million when he comes over here via trade, we'll certainly win the bidding war. So why not just keep the fourth?

He wouldn't be getting 11 million if he hits the FA market, because that contract goes out the door. Obviously we would have to renegotiate his contract, that goes without saying, and I believe thats pretty common when signing any player traded for.

But waiting for him to hit the open FA market would be a HUGE mistake if we could get him for a 4th round pick. There is not a 4th round pick in the draft that could make the impact he can to our starting defense. If we can get him for a 4th, we jump on it.

But the going price is a 3rd and a 5th for starting DTs. Right now, it would take a traded player. However I agree with MUG. I don't think its a coincidence that the team in the league that NEEDs a DT the most is quiet, and a team that NEEDS a corner is being quiet. Considering, I agree that it feels as though something is being worked out. Don't be shocked to see if Denver trades away foxworth and a draft choice for this guy.

I know the contract goes out the door in free agency. That's the point. I guess I didn't explain myself well enough. If he gets cut, no team will give him 11 million. That means we pay less money than we would have if we traded for him, and we don't give up any picks. Even a renegotiation after trade would be close to what he'd get in free agency. So why bother trading?

[Jay2Javon4life]

i think people on these boards are very unrealistic haha. Having said that i am not sure what are current $$ state is after javon and ian got cut and Kerry got signed. If we are able to pick robertson up for a fair price then i am all for it. I think with him colbert and possibly a lb at a reasonable price such as bailey, that this would be a very successful off season. It will leave us with fewer holes and give us potentially good players and will give us a better idea of who we will draft.

[Ravage!!!]

I know the contract goes out the door in free agency. That's the point. I guess I didn't explain myself well enough. If he gets cut, no team will give him 11 million. That means we pay less money than we would have if we traded for him, and we don't give up any picks. Even a renegotiation after trade would be close to what he'd get in free agency. So why bother trading?

the same reason you trade for any player....so that you guarantee you are the team that gets him rather than letting them talk openly to ANY team. He goes FA, and he doesn't have to sign with the team that offers him the most money. He can go anywhere he wants. We trade so that he doesn't have that option, and let others in on the chase for him. Bidding against all other teams doesn't make sense when we could grab him before that.

[Maharishineo]

the same reason you trade for any player....so that you guarantee you are the team that gets him rather than letting them talk openly to ANY team. He goes FA, and he doesn't have to sign with the team that offers him the most money. He can go anywhere he wants. We trade so that he doesn't have that option, and let others in on the chase for him. Bidding against all other teams doesn't make sense when we could grab him before that.

This is true. I suppose a fourth isn't really all that high of a price. Besides, another team could swoop in and offer them a fifth or a sixth round pick prior to the Jets releasing him, and they'd take it since they were no longer planning on getting anything for him.

We're desperate for a defensive tackle, and desperate times calls for desperate measures. I wasn't saying I'd be upset if we traded a fourth for him, but I would've preferred we wait till he got cut. After giving it some thought and gaining your insight, maybe trading for him is the best way to go after all. ;)

Whichever way we get him, so long as we do gain his services, I'd be happy. :cheers:

[Ravage!!!]

This is true. I suppose a fourth isn't really all that high of a price. Besides, another team could swoop in and offer them a fifth or a sixth round pick prior to the Jets releasing him, and they'd take it since they were no longer planning on getting anything for him.

We're desperate for a defensive tackle, and desperate times calls for desperate measures. I wasn't saying I'd be upset if we traded a fourth for him, but I would've preferred we wait till he got cut. After giving it some thought and gaining your insight, maybe trading for him is the best way to go after all. ;)

Whichever way we get him, so long as we do gain his services, I'd be happy. :cheers:

Me too, as long as we don't give TOO much for him. But.. I think it would sure 'calm the masses' if we did do something like sign Robertson.....

[Schism]

If we can get him for a fourth and he's willing to renegotiate his deal, we'd be very foolish not to.

Even a third and fifth if we can trade Foxworth would be fantastic for us, IMO.

[ballen]

Does anybody know when they would likely cut him if they can't trade him?

[Ravage!!!]

Does anybody know when they would likely cut him if they can't trade him?

June 1st probably.....

[Maharishineo]

Does anybody know when they would likely cut him if they can't trade him?

June 1st probably.....

I heard that he has a bonus coming up soon, and they would cut him before having to dish out those fees. If this is the case, it would be within the next week, by Friday, I think.

If the date was June 1, then I would definitely encourage trading for him. We couldn't wait for him to be cut in that event, because we have to know what our needs are going into the draft.

[BroncosTX77]

I heard that he has a bonus coming up soon, and they would cut him before having to dish out those fees. If this is the case, it would be within the next week, by Friday, I think.

If the date was June 1, then I would definitely encourage trading for him. We couldn't wait for him to be cut in that event, because we have to know what our needs are going into the draft.

Jets can cut him now and designate it as a June 1st cut. Then they can spread the cap hit over 2 years if desired.

[Ravage!!!]

I heard that he has a bonus coming up soon, and they would cut him before having to dish out those fees. If this is the case, it would be within the next week, by Friday, I think.

If the date was June 1, then I would definitely encourage trading for him. We couldn't wait for him to be cut in that event, because we have to know what our needs are going into the draft.

oh yeah.. I didn't even think about the probable bonuses coming up.

[Maharishineo]

Jets can cut him now and designate it as a June 1st cut. Then they can spread the cap hit over 2 years if desired.

So basically there's no reason for the Jets to cut him before the June 1st deadline? Unless there is a roster bonus upcoming...

[Peerless]

i would have to agree..

if we got him via trade, and signed boss bailey i believe our defensive woes would be fixed... well maybe not that easily but it would be a good start

Yes.. because Bailey is THAT much of an upgrade from Gold.

[ballen]

Okay, I found an answer. His $3 mil bonus isn't due until June.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/02/26/2008-02-26_jets_dewayne_robertson_on_block.html


I say the most we offer for Robertson is a 4th rounder and an expendible player(not foxworth). If not we just wait until he's cut and make a run at him. I was upset at first with all of the DT's moving around but none of them were free agents, all of them were traded. I think we should stop throwing away our picks. We only had four draft picks last year. Even if we go into the season with no new additions at DT, we should just fill other positions. I think we have more than 1 off-season's worth of holes to fill.

[denver30]

Okay, I found an answer. His $3 mil bonus isn't due until June.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/02/26/2008-02-26_jets_dewayne_robertson_on_block.html


I say the most we offer for Robertson is a 4th rounder and an expendible player(not foxworth). If not we just wait until he's cut and make a run at him. I was upset at first with all of the DT's moving around but none of them were free agents, all of them were traded. I think we should stop throwing away our picks. We only had four draft picks last year. Even if we go into the season with no new additions at DT, we should just fill other positions. I think we have more than 1 off-season's worth of holes to fill.

I agree. But the only deal I would offer is a fourth rounder and not another player. I think he will be cut and we can sign him to an incentive-heavy contract that gives him a reason to play for us.

[lancane]

Just say no. Look, there are reports that they're going to cut this guy. Why waist a valuable fourth round pick on him? So we don't overpay competing for him? He's slated to make over 11 million this year, trust me, nobody's going to pay that in free agency. So long as he does get cut, we get to keep our draft picks and save some money at the same time. Patience, friend, patience.

Because we do not want to get into a bidding war over him, that would be ignorance at it's finest. He will have to re-work a new deal no matter, but let him hit the open market and it will be a hellstorm payday for him, one we can not afford. Denver wants a nose tackle, by all means someone please tell me who the top rated nose tackles are who are in the draft? Red Bryant, Marcus Harrison and Ahtyba Rubin - all of whom are rated late second to early third round grade...and obviously we are looking at nose tackles, Robertson and Rogers fit that mold. If Denver does not find a true nose before the draft, we will likely have to jump early on one of those mentioned in the second round, unless we trade down...which is feesable.

Even if we sign some other nose tackle, we will likely draft someone because they will not be starter caliber themselves. Truly, this is a bad year to need a defensive tackle, especially a nose tackle.

[lancane]

Yes.. because Bailey is THAT much of an upgrade from Gold.

Bailey may not be the answer B4, but at least it is an option...we do not get Robertson then we are forced to jump early and nab a nose early in the second IMHO. But we get the likes of Robertson and we can use that second to add a quality linebacker to the corps. so either way, filling needs and depth are still a must.

;)

[BroncosTX77]

Anyone heard what the cap situation is now after golf/walker cut and colbert signing?

[Cugel]

Just say no. Look, there are reports that they're going to cut this guy. Why waist a valuable fourth round pick on him? So we don't overpay competing for him? He's slated to make over 11 million this year, trust me, nobody's going to pay that in free agency. So long as he does get cut, we get to keep our draft picks and save some money at the same time. Patience, friend, patience.

Ridiculous!

1. Some team will offer a trade, so he won't hit FA. Probably a team will offer a 3rd and 5th, which is similar to the trade for Shaun Rogers. Robertson might not be the pro-bowler Rogers is, but he's younger and has fewer risk factors (weight, off-field legal issues, attitude, etc.).

2. Even if he DID hit FA that would only mean a bidding war. Many teams have upwards of $20 million under the cap. The Broncos do not. They're not remotely going to win such a war. And if they did, it would come at a terrible price of exploding their cap room.

3. Obviously, he will have to re-negotiate a cap-friendly deal with whatever team he goes to. They will sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal and convert his enormous salary into a big signing bonus that will be pro-rated over the life of the contract.

Every-day cap management 101. :coffee:

[Maharishineo]

Because we do not want to get into a bidding war over him, that would be ignorance at it's finest. He will have to re-work a new deal no matter, but let him hit the open market and it will be a hellstorm payday for him, one we can not afford. Denver wants a nose tackle, by all means someone please tell me who the top rated nose tackles are who are in the draft? Red Bryant, Marcus Harrison and Ahtyba Rubin - all of whom are rated late second to early third round grade...and obviously we are looking at nose tackles, Robertson and Rogers fit that mold. If Denver does not find a true nose before the draft, we will likely have to jump early on one of those mentioned in the second round, unless we trade down...which is feesable.

Even if we sign some other nose tackle, we will likely draft someone because they will not be starter caliber themselves. Truly, this is a bad year to need a defensive tackle, especially a nose tackle.

Ridiculous!

Every-day cap management 101. :coffee:

Thanks...I hadn't realized this after the first time these issues were brought to my attention. Oh, wait, I revised my opinions after all--and long before your replies. If you would've read on you would've seen that.

:coffee:

I understand that sometimes it's easier and quicker not to scroll through the rest of the posts, so I accept any responses to my original posts without offense.

Still, everybody's so quick to jump on somebody else's back around here. :rolleyes: Thanks lancane, for making your point without trying to make a spectacle of it.

[getlynched47]

guys we won't have to trade for Dewayne Robertson

he's expected to be released before his option bonus is due because the Jets got Kris Jenkins, which is a better fit in a 3-4 scheme

We'll just have to outbid everybody and convince Robertson that Denver is the best place to get to a championship

[armchair scout]

Ridiculous!

1. Some team will offer a trade, so he won't hit FA. Probably a team will offer a 3rd and 5th, which is similar to the trade for Shaun Rogers. Robertson might not be the pro-bowler Rogers is, but he's younger and has fewer risk factors (weight, off-field legal issues, attitude, etc.).

2. Even if he DID hit FA that would only mean a bidding war. Many teams have upwards of $20 million under the cap. The Broncos do not. They're not remotely going to win such a war. And if they did, it would come at a terrible price of exploding their cap room.

3. Obviously, he will have to re-negotiate a cap-friendly deal with whatever team he goes to. They will sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal and convert his enormous salary into a big signing bonus that will be pro-rated over the life of the contract.

Every-day cap management 101. :coffee:

The Jets already put him on the table for a third. There wasn't ANY interest. He makes too much and you can't renegotiate contracts before trades.

I wouldn't mind putting Webster on the block for him.

[lancane]

The Jets already put him on the table for a third. There wasn't ANY interest. He makes too much and you can't renegotiate contracts before trades.

I wouldn't mind putting Webster on the block for him.

Who in the hell would want Webster? He is a freaking mike linebacker we conversted to a will, and really was about average. But it is the Jets, if they want him I would be more then willing to hand him over for Robertson...hahaha, but I know that will not happen. Only Detroit has proven to be that stupid!

[armchair scout]

These should be merged.

Would you rather have Dre Bly or Dewayne Robertson?

[lancane]

These should be merged.

Would you rather have Dre Bly or Dewayne Robertson?

Robertson, just because a great front seven can make even your average corner look real good, like Gay in New England. Foxworth would have been fine, look at our Super Bowl years...we were tough up front and had two very average corners and won it all. But since Bly is likely here to stay, we need to make it happen where we have both. Or we will be taking two nose tackles in the draft, one on day one and another on day two.

;)

[armchair scout]

Robertson, just because a great front seven can make even your average corner look real good, like Gay in New England. Foxworth would have been fine, look at our Super Bowl years...we were tough up front and had two very average corners and won it all. But since Bly is likely here to stay, we need to make it happen where we have both. Or we will be taking two nose tackles in the draft, one on day one and another on day two.

;)

That's exactly what I'm thinking. i am continuing this conversation on both threads. What is the cap penalty, if any, for trading Dre Bly?

[Peerless]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. i am continuing this conversation on both threads. What is the cap penalty, if any, for trading Dre Bly?

I don't think there is a cap penalty if he was traded for another player...

But then again, with Robertsons' contract, I'm sure we'd be a little in the hole.

[armchair scout]

I don't think there is a cap penalty if he was traded for another player...

But then again, with Robertsons' contract, I'm sure we'd be a little in the hole.

Robertson= 11 mil
Bly - 6 mil
difference 5 mil we can afford that, especially if we can restructure on a longer deal with enticing guarantees. Say an overall cap hit of 3mil this year. if we do a trade for picks first, then we may even get a third out of the deal.

[Peerless]

Robertson= 11 mil
Bly - 6 mil
difference 5 mil we can afford that, especially if we can restructure on a longer deal with enticing guarantees. Say an overall cap hit of 3mil this year. if we do a trade for picks first, then we may even get a third out of the deal.

Get it done.

Trade "toast."

I never liked it when we traded for him, and I don't like him now.

[getlynched47]

don't worry about trading

the jets will release Dewayne Robertson because they acquired Kris Jenkins which is a better fit in their 3-4 defensive scheme

Robertson is due a bonus here in a few days and if they can't trade him, they will release him guaranteed

we can just sign him to a multiyear contract so that he isn't a big hit to our salary cap

[armchair scout]

don't worry about trading

the jets will release Dewayne Robertson because they acquired Kris Jenkins which is a better fit in their 3-4 defensive scheme

Robertson is due a bonus here in a few days and if they can't trade him, they will release him guaranteed

we can just sign him to a multiyear contract so that he isn't a big hit to our salary cap

A few days? Try June 1st.

[getlynched47]

no i don't think its June 1st.. Walker's bonus was due to him i think March 4th before we released him. I'm pretty sure it's around March 4th

[armchair scout]

no i don't think its June 1st.. Walker's bonus was due to him i think March 4th before we released him. I'm pretty sure it's around March 4th

Wrong wrong and wrong. just google Dewayne Robertson bonus to confirm. Every news source has the info. Robertson wasn't any part of the Walker contract.