Proposal: Bly on the block to get Robertson

[armchair scout]

1.) Find a team like the Saints who need secondary help. Trade Dre Bly and our first round pick for their first and a third.

2.) use the cap space to trade our new third for Dewayne Robertson. We wouldn't have to restructure, but we could; however, work out a longer deal to decrease the immediate cap hit for Robertson.

3.) Draft a CB somewhere on day 2. Foxy and Paymah would be enough if we pressure opposing QBs.

4.) Gain defensive help and flixibility in the draft.

I am not sure what the draft pick value for bly is, but i think my deal is very conservative. if we can get even more for Bly, then why wouldn't we do it?

Let's work this out. I appreciate your thoughts/help in doing so.:coffee:

[Maharishineo]

I saw you asking this in other forums so I didn't suspect this was an actual proposal, but other people might. Try and make it more clear this is something you want in your titles, as opposed to something that's actually happened.

[pipes]

1.) Find a team like the Saints who need secondary help. Trade Dre Bly and our first round pick for their first and a third.

2.) use the cap space to trade our new third for Dewayne Robertson. We wouldn't have to restructure, but we could; however, work out a longer deal to decrease the immediate cap hit for Robertson.

3.) Draft a CB somewhere on day 2. Foxy and Paymah would be enough if we pressure opposing QBs.

4.) Gain defensive help and flixibility in the draft.

I am not sure what the draft pick value for bly is, but i think my deal is very conservative. if we can get even more for Bly, then why wouldn't we do it?

Let's work this out. I appreciate your thoughts/help in doing so.:coffee:

I really don't see Bly getting traded at all, especially if Denver keeps Foxworth.

Next year both Foxworth and Paymah are both free agents and if Denver loses both then all they'd have left is Champ and who? Jeff Shoate, idk.

-Bly just restructured his deal, which I think is the reason why he's still here and not cut loose like Walker.

[Peerless]

I really don't see Bly getting traded at all, especially if Denver keeps Foxworth.

Next year both Foxworth and Paymah are both free agents and if Denver loses both then all they'd have left is Champ and who? Jeff Shoate, idk.

-Bly just restructured his deal, which I think is the reason why he's still here and not cut loose like Walker.

Nah Shoate is long gone.. and thank the lord.


Although I doubt Bly will be gone as well as the restructured deal.. I'm sure once Bly signed his restructured contract, Shanahan gave a "wink" to Pat Bowlen... knowing that a smaller contract is more appealing to other teams. :laugh:

[armchair scout]

I saw you asking this in other forums so I didn't suspect this was an actual proposal, but other people might. Try and make it more clear this is something you want in your titles, as opposed to something that's actually happened.

Sorry, i thought it would be clear that I wasn't Shannahan. Correction: my proposal.

[pipes]

Nah Shoate is long gone.. and thank the lord.


Although I doubt Bly will be gone as well as the restructured deal.. I'm sure once Bly signed his restructured contract, Shanahan gave a "wink" to Pat Bowlen... knowing that a smaller contract is more appealing to other teams. :laugh:

Just wondering.....who is left?

Champ, Bly, Foxworth, Paymah, ????????

[BroncoKazuki]

This idea is

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[armchair scout]

Just wondering.....who is left?

Champ, Bly, Foxworth, Paymah, ????????

And a deep draft at the position. This would also allow us a bigger chance of landing Keith Rivers. How ya like THAT defense?

[armchair scout]

This idea is

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Would you rather keep all of our money in CBs that have to try and cover guys for an eternity on every play?

[Maharishineo]

Sorry, i thought it would be clear that I wasn't Shannahan. Correction: my proposal.

:goofy:

It's cool. Like I said, I had no problem with it since I saw you asking around in other threads. I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it either, it's just something to keep in mind when you're titling your threads. ;)

Now that that's out of the way, you're going to like me even less because I think you're wrong about Bly. I was discussing this with another member the other day, but I think much of his failures had to do with the system. Even Champ had a bad year, of course he gets a pass because he's Champ and we've seen what he can do. But this was Bly's first year, so they assume one bad year (under a bad system and front seven) means he's a bad player.

If he fails miserably again this year, and Champ goes back to shinning, I'll CP you on this one. But I think all of this Bly hate is unwarranted. I'm all for trading Foxworth though. I like the guy, and I think he's got talent--but it's overrated. That's when you trade somebody, when his stock is high. "Buy low, sell high". Paymah's developing into a solid cornerback, too. I'd put him on darn near the same level as Foxworth, hence we wouldn't have much of a drop-off if we did deal Foxworth.

[BroncoKazuki]

Would you rather keep all of our money in CBs that have to try and cover guys for an eternity on every play?

You dont split the best two CB's in the game and hope to get better.

you know the cap penality would be if we Trade Bly. it would be the same amount counted from the savings we would save in doing so. Other words...we would break even and lose a great player in the process while increasing the pressure on the cap with another player.


So yea maybe in Madden you can get away with this or in a perfect word.

But this is the real world, we have a better chance of restructuring a DT's contract then a CB's contract. I mean if theres on cap in 2010, then all we do is sign everyone we got and draft to long term contracts that when a new cap is installed were sitting well while everyone else has to cut 1/2 their team because they maxed out.

[armchair scout]

:goofy:

It's cool. Like I said, I had no problem with it since I saw you asking around in other threads. I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it either, it's just something to keep in mind when you're titling your threads. ;)

Now that that's out of the way, you're going to like me even less because I think you're wrong about Bly. I was discussing this with another member the other day, but I think much of his failures had to do with the system. Even Champ had a bad year, of course he gets a pass because he's Champ and we've seen what he can do. But this was Bly's first year, so they assume one bad year (under a bad system and front seven) means he's a bad player.

If he fails miserably again this year, and Champ goes back to shinning, I'll CP you on this one. But I think all of this Bly hate is unwarranted. I'm all for trading Foxworth though. I like the guy, and I think he's got talent--but it's overrated. That's when you trade somebody, when his stock is high. "Buy low, sell high". Paymah's developing into a solid cornerback, too. I'd put him on darn near the same level as Foxworth, hence we wouldn't have much of a drop-off if we did deal Foxworth.

I just think Bly is more than we need at his position. If we take a lower value at CB and improve our tackling and pressure on opposing QBs, we have improved our defense. This is the goal right?

[armchair scout]

You dont split the best two CB's in the game and hope to get better.

you know the cap penality would be if we Trade Bly. it would be the same amount counted from the savings we would save in doing so. Other words...we would break even and lose a great player in the process while increasing the pressure on the cap with another player.


So yea maybe in Madden you can get away with this or in a perfect word.

But this is the real world, we have a better chance of restructuring a DT's contract then a CB's contract. I mean if theres on cap in 2010, then all we do is sign everyone we got and draft to long term contracts that when a new cap is installed were sitting well while everyone else has to cut 1/2 their team because they maxed out.

Unless there isn't a cap in 2010, which is likely at this point. Then we are the fools.

[BroncoKazuki]

I just think Bly is more than we need at his position. If we take a lower value at CB and improve our tackling and pressure on opposing QBs, we have improved our defense. This is the goal right?

Then I guess you can say that the Champ trade was also a horrible idea as well as it netted us a very bad Run game in the process but sured up or secondary :coffee:.

The trade off is simple, theres ways to fix it but trading a great player for a rookie is pure stupidity espically if that rookie doesn't pan out.

Look its simple, we got a great secondary, we just need to add a few players to the front 7. Some veteran players would be nice.

then offense go all out and buy weapons.

[stnzed]

If the Jets are thinking that Robertson is worth a 3rd and a 5 like the other DT's, they're begging, he's not as good and he still makes more than every single one of them.

He's going to make about 10million in 08, and he isn't even close to being worth it, so wait......wait til he's cut or the Jets come to their senses.

The Broncos may not even be interested in Robertson, he doesn't exactly fit the "Build through the Draft ONLY" suicide philosophy the Broncos apparently have adopted.

Foxworth couldn't carry Bly's dirty jock strap, btw......

[BroncoKazuki]

Unless there isn't a cap in 2010, which is likely at this point. Then we are the fools.

Championships should be earned not bought my friend. ;)


Teams that will overspend in the 2010 FA market (if theres no cap number) will win a championship but lose it all.


Hense thats why im going to say that the Browns are going to be the next casualty in their attempt to buy a Championship team. Watch them fail badly. ;)

[Uglybass]

Bly played pretty well despite having a horrible front 7 and having the ball thrown on him all game long. I mean he only really blew it big in the Green Bay game, which resulted in a loss but not everything can be blamed on Bly. I think he will do just fine here in denver.

[Maharishineo]

I just think Bly is more than we need at his position. If we take a lower value at CB and improve our tackling and pressure on opposing QBs, we have improved our defense. This is the goal right?

Yes, smart man. Pressure the quarterback and there's less need for defensive backs. However, there's better trade options than Dre' Bly. If we can get Robertson for a 4th, then I'd much rather do that. The chances of getting a cornerback in the fourth round on the level of Dre' is slim to none.

Or how about trading our 12 to a team such as the Cowboys for their 22 and a third round pick? We drop ten spots and we gain a defensive tackle. Maybe a deal with Foxworth, instead? Bly's stock is on the lower end right now, and Foxworth's is on the high end. It's more business-smart to trade the player with the higher stock. There's numerous other ways to work it out, all of which are less harmful to our cap, and more beneficial to the team.

Keep in mind that if we do manage to get that pressure up front, a great secondary becomes all the more dangerous. The Giant's front seven turned a collection of defensive back scrubs into a solid secondary. We could deal major damage with a solid front seven and a superb secondary.

[armchair scout]

Then I guess you can say that the Champ trade was also a horrible idea as well as it netted us a very bad Run game in the process but sured up or secondary :coffee:.

The trade off is simple, theres ways to fix it but trading a great player for a rookie is pure stupidity espically if that rookie doesn't pan out.

Look its simple, we got a great secondary, we just need to add a few players to the front 7. Some veteran players would be nice.

then offense go all out and buy weapons.

I wasn't aware that Robertson had been converted to rookie.

This is the same thing as people wanting two superstars at WR. If we have one monster and one decent guy we are better off because we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket. I don't care who your CBs are if you can't tackle or pressure QBs. They will run for their lives and lose alot of battles. Teams would rather run the ball anyhow.

[Peerless]

Foxworth couldn't carry Bly's dirty jock strap, btw......

Number one hater of Foxworth on Broncomania.

[BroncoKazuki]

I wasn't aware that Robertson had been converted to rookie.

This is the same thing as people wanting two superstars at WR. If we have one monster and one decent guy we are better off because we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket. I don't care who your CBs are if you can't tackle or pressure QBs. They will run for their lives and lose alot of battles. Teams would rather run the ball anyhow.


Then trade both CB's

hell we dont Need Champ or Bly, lets just start Foxworth and Playmath sign two UDFA CB's and sure up the front 7...


Oh wait we took a huge cap peanalties in doing so :goofy: guess we cant draft people due to no money in the bank :goofy:


Honestly, we built the Defense wrong but it shouldnt mean we should disassemble our secondary. You screw up the balance.

Thats why this proposal is horrible. Its flat out wrong in every aspect.

The thing is, we traded for Champ we lost Portis, our secondary got good our run game sucked thats simple. We got burnt on the left side in 06 with a mix of Williams, Foxworth. Playmah did well. So we got Bly, this year the run game toasted us, and our CB's were exposed due to poor Pass rush.


Theres ways to fix the team. Bly is way more proven player then Foxworth and Foxworth sucks on making plays on the ball, the guy doesnt even try thus we shouldnt have him start but we should trade away.

[stnzed]

Number one hater of Foxworth on Broncomania.


B4, I told you before that I like Foxworth......I just know who he is, an average player at best.

I do not hate Foxworth, I just don't get a hardon for stats: "Foxworth had 100tackles against the Stealers!!!!!!" Woooow!

All I can say about your stats is, if Foxworth is around a player that happens to be on the ground at the same time he touch's him......he gets credit for a tackle.

If he's beaten like a drum underneath and kinda nudges the receiver out of bounds......he get credit for a tackle.

If he's being dragged into the endzone by Willie Parker when John Jynch comes up and stops Parker (And Foxworth) in his tracks at the 2 (Like in the Stealer game)......he get's credit for a tackle.

If he's being dragged down the field by another TE (Like he was numerous times against th Chargers) when the TE is shot by a sniper from the stands......Foxworth is credited with a tackle.

NONE of this means Foxworth isn't a joke at tackling......And pointing it all out does not mean I hate Foxworth.

I like Foxworth, but I'm sorry, I'm not having delusions about his ability either. He's not as good as Dre Bly (Who I do not like, btw)......

[armchair scout]

Then trade both CB's

hell we dont Need Champ or Bly, lets just start Foxworth and Playmath sign two UDFA CB's and sure up the front 7...


Oh wait we took a huge cap peanalties in doing so :goofy: guess we cant draft people due to no money in the bank :goofy:


Honestly, we built the Defense wrong but it shouldnt mean we should disassemble our secondary. You screw up the balance.

Thats why this proposal is horrible. Its flat out wrong in every aspect.

The thing is, we traded for Champ we lost Portis, our secondary got good our run game sucked thats simple. We got burnt on the left side in 06 with a mix of Williams, Foxworth. Playmah did well. So we got Bly, this year the run game toasted us, and our CB's were exposed due to poor Pass rush.


Theres ways to fix the team. Bly is way more proven player then Foxworth and Foxworth sucks on making plays on the ball, the guy doesnt even try thus we shouldnt have him start but we should trade away.

Define "ways to fix this team." the assertion that I am saying to trade both corners is ridiculous and deserves no more attention than that.

What is the penalty for trading player for player plus picks?

[Ravage!!!]

So we lose Bly, move lower in the draft, trade away our third, and and now have to draft a replacement for the player that we just traded away. I'm not too fond of it

[BroncosTX77]

So we lose Bly, move lower in the draft, trade away our third, and and now have to draft a replacement for the player that we just traded away. I'm not too fond of it

That's why we are the best Front Office Madden 08 can buy

:coffee:

[Ravage!!!]

He's going to make about 10million in 08, and he isn't even close to being worth it, so wait......wait til he's cut or the Jets come to their senses.



It doesn't make sense to wait until a player hits the open market to go after them.... THAT is FA "suicide" (as you like to put it). Teams need to use FA along with their draft... so picking up a DT makes sense. Robertson makes sense for us to go after to help us in the draft.

But we can't wait until he goes FA to go after him, and then try to "outbid" for him. Thats how you spend higher amounts of money than need be. Thats how you spend TOO much money for a guy.

[armchair scout]

So we lose Bly, move lower in the draft, trade away our third, and and now have to draft a replacement for the player that we just traded away. I'm not too fond of it

I don't want to move lower in the draft. The Saints pick at 10 don't they?

[Peerless]

B4, I told you before that I like Foxworth......I just know who he is, an average player at best.

I do not hate Foxworth, I just don't get a hardon for stats: "Foxworth had 100tackles against the Stealers!!!!!!" Woooow!

All I can say about your stats is, if Foxworth is around a player that happens to be on the ground at the same time he touch's him......he gets credit for a tackle.

If he's beaten like a drum underneath and kinda nudges the receiver out of bounds......he get credit for a tackle.

If he's being dragged into the endzone by Willie Parker when John Jynch comes up and stops Parker (And Foxworth) in his tracks at the 2 (Like in the Stealer game)......he get's credit for a tackle.

If he's being dragged down the field by another TE (Like he was numerous times against th Chargers) when the TE is shot by a sniper in the stands......Foxworth is credited with a tackle.

NONE of this means Foxworth isn't a joke at tackling......And pointing it all out does not mean I hate Foxworth.

I like Foxworth, but I'm sorry, I'm not having delusions about his ability either. He's not as good as Dre Bly (Who I do not like, btw)......

I really don't see how Dre Bly is THAT much better then Foxworth. Especially knowning that he is basically the same type of tackler as Foxworth (Not very good at all) and he bites on just about everything.

The cons you listed on Foxworth can basically be repeated for Bly.. because you know and I know he's not a good tackler.


I think Foxworth playing at safety just makes him look BAD because of the tackling, but not once have I heard anyone complain about the speed he brought to that position.

Once Foxworth stepped in at safety, there weren't too many if not any home run plays.

This doesn't mean that I'm advocating for him to play safety.

[str8jacket]

If the Jets are thinking that Robertson is worth a 3rd and a 5 like the other DT's, they're begging, he's not as good and he still makes more than every single one of them.

He's going to make about 10million in 08, and he isn't even close to being worth it, so wait......wait til he's cut or the Jets come to their senses.

The Broncos may not even be interested in Robertson, he doesn't exactly fit the "Build through the Draft ONLY" suicide philosophy the Broncos apparently have adopted.

Foxworth couldn't carry Bly's dirty jock strap, btw......

Free Agents throughout the years Denver has gotten
Simeon Rice
David Terrell
Kenny Peterson
Sam Adams
Travis Henry
Jerry Rice
Kenard Lang
Gerard Warren
Courtney Brown
Wesley Duke
Garrison Hearst
Demetrin Veal
Jake Plummer


Free Agency sure has done us alot of good, thats for sure :rolleyes:

[Ravage!!!]

Sorry. But as of right now there is NO WAY you can say that Foxworth is as good a corner as Bly is. He's just not, and Bly played WELL this last season (still not believing that people think he didn't).

Foxworth hasn't played enough corner to say that he's better than the proven vet. If he had, then the 3rd round tender we have placed on him would be met.

[pipes]

Free Agents throughout the years Denver has gotten
Simeon Rice
David Terrell
Kenny Peterson
Sam Adams
Travis Henry
Jerry Rice
Kenard Lang
Gerard Warren
Courtney Brown
Wesley Duke
Garrison Hearst
Demetrin Veal
Jake Plummer


Free Agency sure has done us alot of good, thats for sure :rolleyes:

And......

Neil Smith
Alfred Williams
Bill Romanowski
Ed McCaffrey
Keith Traylor (second time)
Ray Crockett
Tyrone Braxton (second time)
Darrien Gordon
Rod Smith
John Lynch

So yes, it can be said that free agency has done the Broncos a lot of good....basically it helped win them 2 Super Bowls

[str8jacket]

And......

Neil Smith
Alfred Williams
Bill Romanowski
Ed McCaffrey
Keith Traylor (second time)
Ray Crockett
Tyrone Braxton (second time)
Darrien Gordon
Rod Smith
John Lynch

How many people were high priced and highly touted, Pipes?

[pipes]

How many people were high priced and highly touted, Pipes?

Not all of them were in your list either str8.

[armchair scout]

Free Agents throughout the years Denver has gotten
Simeon Rice
David Terrell
Kenny Peterson
Sam Adams
Travis Henry
Jerry Rice
Kenard Lang
Gerard Warren
Courtney Brown
Wesley Duke
Garrison Hearst
Demetrin Veal
Jake Plummer


Free Agency sure has done us alot of good, thats for sure :rolleyes:

Hmmm. Something about that list seems biased. Didn't we trade for Brown. This thread is about a trade. What are you trying to say. if you throw in trades you can also mention Gary Zimmerman, Mark Shlereth, Ed McCaffrey, DJ Williams, Champ Bailey, John Elway, i don't feel a need to go on.

[Drunk Bronco]

i like bly tho

[str8jacket]

Hmmm. Something about that list seems biased. Didn't we trade for Brown. This thread is about a trade. What are you trying to say. if you throw in trades you can also mention Gary Zimmerman, Mark Shlereth, Ed McCaffrey, DJ Williams, Champ Bailey, John Elway, i don't feel a need to go on.

Did you even read the post I was quoting?

He stated it was suicide building through the draft :brick:

[Ravage!!!]

Free Agents throughout the years Denver has gotten
Simeon Rice
David Terrell
Kenny Peterson
Sam Adams
Travis Henry
Jerry Rice
Kenard Lang
Gerard Warren
Courtney Brown
Wesley Duke
Garrison Hearst
Demetrin Veal
Jake Plummer


Free Agency sure has done us alot of good, thats for sure :rolleyes:

you can't count half these... geez. You make it sound as each and every one of them were brought in as high priced FAs that had expectations of starting.

Jerry Rice? You list Jerry Rice adn Garrison Hearst? Same with Simeon Rice...he was brought in because of all the massive injuries and having nothing as a starting DE on the roster. David Terrell was brought in for basically free to try out as a flyer... and you list him as a 'bad' FA acquisition??

Gerald Warren and Brown certainly played pretty well for us when we went to the AFC CHampionship game...

Jake Plummer? Jake was a FAILURE as a Free Agent??? What more do you want from a FA stop gap QB???

Travis Henry led the NFL bfore injury, had been on the team ONE season, and is STILL on the team as the #1 RB. How can you list this at all??

If you are going to complain about the FA acquisitions, at least list the ones that hold water to your argument.

[armchair scout]

i like bly tho

me too, but I don't like our defense as a whole and I think that trading bly offers us the opportunity to improve alot without diminishing the value of our secondary too much.

[str8jacket]

Not all of them were in your list either str8.

Plummer, obviously
Some people though Terrell would compete for a starting job (HAH!)
Simeon Rice
Travis Henry still is on the team yes, but worth the money? I say no.
Gerard Warren did jack for the jack we paid him.
Wesley Duke was "the next Antonio Gates" because he played basketball in college ( :laugh: Oh my god some people are stupid)

Thats all I got.

[stnzed]

Free Agents throughout the years Denver has gotten
Simeon Rice
David Terrell
Kenny Peterson
Sam Adams
Travis Henry
Jerry Rice
Kenard Lang
Gerard Warren
Courtney Brown
Wesley Duke
Garrison Hearst
Demetrin Veal
Jake Plummer


Free Agency sure has done us alot of good, thats for sure :rolleyes:

Look at all the talent the Draft has brought in......Maybe Shanahan should just stick to trades, and let somebody else worry about FA and the draft.

My concern is this, giving shanahan only the draft to work with is incredibly stupid considering his failures in that department.

And in a few years when the Broncos are still years away from competing, and you're all no longer distracted by Denver's new-found fiscal responsibility, you'll know I'm right.

Broncos fans were ready for mutiny after one 7and9 season, the Broncos cannot afford to think like the meaningless Rockies......

[armchair scout]

Did you even read the post I was quoting?

He stated it was suicide building through the draft :brick:

I can't give consideration to the either/or argument. You need both in the current system.

[pipes]

Plummer, obviously
Some people though Terrell would compete for a starting job (HAH!)
Simeon Rice
Travis Henry still is on the team yes, but worth the money? I say no.
Gerard Warren did jack for the jack we paid him.
Wesley Duke was "the next Antonio Gates" because he played basketball in college ( :laugh: Oh my god some people are stupid)

Thats all I got.

Just so you know, you forgot a couple of the biggest failures......

Dale Carter and Darryl Gardener. :salute:

....carry on.....

[str8jacket]

you can't count half these... geez. You make it sound as each and every one of them were brought in as high priced FAs that had expectations of starting.

Jerry Rice? You list Jerry Rice adn Garrison Hearst? Same with Simeon Rice...he was brought in because of all the massive injuries and having nothing as a starting DE on the roster. David Terrell was brought in for basically free to try out as a flyer... and you list him as a 'bad' FA acquisition??

Gerald Warren and Brown certainly played pretty well for us when we went to the AFC CHampionship game...

Jake Plummer? Jake was a FAILURE as a Free Agent??? What more do you want from a FA stop gap QB???

Travis Henry led the NFL bfore injury, had been on the team ONE season, and is STILL on the team as the #1 RB. How can you list this at all??

If you are going to complain about the FA acquisitions, at least list the ones that hold water to your argument.
Yet where have we gotten?

How many of those people are still on the roster?

Look at teams like the Giants, Chargers, Patriots, hell even the Steelers.

They are perennial WINNERS, and how often do you see them make moves that people are ****ing for? Patriots, Randy Moss and thats about it.

I will take building through the draft over failed free agents (why do I say failed? How many are on the team?)

If you are going to spend the money you might as well spend money on people that are here for, jeez i dont know.......5-6 years? Not 1-3?

[armchair scout]

Plummer, obviously
Some people though Terrell would compete for a starting job (HAH!)
Simeon Rice
Travis Henry still is on the team yes, but worth the money? I say no.
Gerard Warren did jack for the jack we paid him.
Wesley Duke was "the next Antonio Gates" because he played basketball in college ( :laugh: Oh my god some people are stupid)

Thats all I got.

How much money is Henry making? I wasn't aware that the terms of his new contract had been released.

[str8jacket]

Just so you know, you forgot a couple of the biggest failures......

Dale Carter and Darryl Gardener. :salute:

....carry on.....

Yeah, I just listed some off the top of my head, big friggin deal :rolleyes:

[armchair scout]

This thread is about a trade of Bly for Robertson and is getting wayyyyyy off topic. This has nothing to do with Free Agency.

[stnzed]

Did you even read the post I was quoting?

He stated it was suicide building through the draft :brick:


It's suicide for Shanahan, that's for sure, he makes too many mistakes.

Bowlen just has to accept that Shanahan is going to make mistakes and deal with it......If he lets Shanahan use all the tools that should be used, he has a chance of getting it done......

[axx]

i think we need to get over this trading for dt's. Sure we didnt get Rogers/Williams which i got a alittle upset about but we cant mull over it lets just hope we have a good draft and keep the players we have on the team. NO TRADES.

[armchair scout]

i think we need to get over this trading for dt's. Sure we didnt get Rogers/Williams which i got a alittle upset about but we cant mull over it lets just hope we have a good draft and keep the players we have on the team. NO TRADES.

Yeah, our defense is good as it is and worth gambling on an immediate impact DT coming out of the draft in the later rounds...NOT!

[underrated29]

WE are not trading BLY!!! Thats like saying lets trade champ to the browns for rogers and a pick. its absurd. He is a great CB for us and is not going anywhere. UNless we can get a murderous trade for him. The likes of colston, howard, and bush. SO it aint happenin.

And I seriously doubt there was ever speculation that we would have released or traded dre if he did not restructure.

** Thread starter; good idea, it makes sense, but in reality we would never let bly go for one player, an ok at that.

[italynstallion]

Nah Shoate is long gone.. and thank the lord.


Although I doubt Bly will be gone as well as the restructured deal.. I'm sure once Bly signed his restructured contract, Shanahan gave a "wink" to Pat Bowlen... knowing that a smaller contract is more appealing to other teams. :laugh:


Just so you know, when a player's contract is restructured, it makes them very hard to trade/release.

Restructuring usually means converting the cap money into bonus money. Basically, they get more guaranteed money and have a smaller cap figure.

By cutting/trading a player who just restructured, all that guaranteed money is added to the cap.

[Colorado69]

The example given of the Patriots, Giants, Steelers. etc. being perennial winners because they make better draft and FA moves than Shannahan is unfounded and incorrect. At the beginning of last season, the Broncos had won more games over the last decade than any other team in the NFL. Winning is the reason for playing. If you are going to complain about Shannahan's drafting or FAs, at least use accurate FACTS. Denver is tied for the most AFC Championships, so all the complaining about poor choices and poor organization is actually a very ignorant statement.

[gyldenlove]

It makes 0, I am going to repeat that for emphasis, 0 sense to trade Bly now. We are already dragging around enough dead money from Gold and Walker that we look like the 1934 Chicago Bears (in the sense that there are a lot of dead people/money).

Bly has a really big signing bonus, if we trade him we are on the hook for his entire bonus, so we will end up, and I am speculating here something like 15 million dollars in dead money from him alone. Which would take up our entire cap space.

Robertson would seem to be a pretty good fit, I don't see him as a nose tackle type of player so I am a little worried about the roll he would play.

All in all, I think the way to go for this offseason is getting a few more draft picks, we could trade Foxworth if there are any takers, Mike Bell could be traded for a 6th or 7th if there are any takers. I would like us to move down in the draft, either down in the first, or out of the first. This way we can pick up a 3rd round pick hopefully, and maybe even an extra 2nd round pick.

[cvnorton]

Would you rather keep all of our money in CBs that have to try and cover guys for an eternity on every play?

Actually yes I would. Getting rid of pieces of a good secondary to bolster our DL will only assure us that instead of running all over us, teams will pass all over us. Pick your poison, both are bad.:coffee: