Trade for Robertson and Cinci off?????

[Ravage!!!]

PFT rumormill: Robertson deal falls through
For the second time since Friday, a deal that the Bengals thought they'd make to upgrade a subpar defense has fallen apart.

Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reports that the trade between the Jets and the Bengals for New York defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson is off.

The sticking point was Cincy's insistence that Robertson re-do a contract that is set to pay him $9.8 million in 2008. Unless and until the Jets find a team for whom Robertson is willing to take a haircut, the likelihood is that Robertson eventually will be cut before a $3 million roster bonus comes due in June.
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[broncs2bowl]

YES plz Denver just get him somehow plz plz plz

[fraguela09]

YES!


A deal that would've sent Jets DT Dewayne Robertson to the Bengals in exchange for fourth- and fifth-round picks has reportedly been called off.
It's the second deal for a big interior tackle Cincinnati has missed out on. It's believed the trade hinged on Robertson agreeing to a long-term contract with the Bengals. The Jets will likely continue to shop the 26-year-old.
Source: FOXSports.com

DEN should offer a 4th and pay the man his money!

[Ravage!!!]

YES plz Denver just get him somehow plz plz plz

Wait wait..... no. Did you read that? He's not willing to renegotiate out of the current contract he has. Which means he wants to keep the contract that will count 9.8 MILLLION against the cap. So Noooooooooooooo.

Robertson wants to hit the open Free Agency market. He wants to pick his team and on his terms, and I can't say I don't blame him. Right now, he's holding all the cards.

So No. Lets not trade for this guy.

[Ravage!!!]

YES!


A deal that would've sent Jets DT Dewayne Robertson to the Bengals in exchange for fourth- and fifth-round picks has reportedly been called off.
It's the second deal for a big interior tackle Cincinnati has missed out on. It's believed the trade hinged on Robertson agreeing to a long-term contract with the Bengals. The Jets will likely continue to shop the 26-year-old.
Source: FOXSports.com

DEN should offer a 4th and pay the man his money!

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He will count nearly TEN MILLION against the cap on his OWN!!! NOOOOO

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[lancane]

Wait wait..... no. Did you read that? He's not willing to renegotiate out of the current contract he has. Which means he wants to keep the contract that will count 9.8 MILLLION against the cap. So Noooooooooooooo.

Robertson wants to hit the open Free Agency market. He wants to pick his team and on his terms, and I can't say I don't blame him. Right now, he's holding all the cards.

So No. Lets not trade for this guy.

Agreed...lol. The only shot he has of coming here is to sign a new deal, he is constantly one of the top defenders in stats, but still...no one should pay his arse nine million if they do not even know how he will transist with the team and scheme.

[fraguela09]

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He will count nearly TEN MILLION against the cap on his OWN!!! NOOOOO

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO


??? A potential pro-bowl 26 yr-old DT... aint worth the money... especially when we need a DT? OH... OK! SURE... let's go with Kenny Peterson.

ANYWAY... maybe he didn't like Cincy... Maybe he'll work out a deal here... IF NOT, then a trade to DEN could be called off... SO, why not take a shot... see if he'll restructure?

[MilitantDBFan]

PAY HIM HIS MONEY!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He will count nearly TEN MILLION against the cap on his OWN!!! NOOOOO

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Cincinatti was unwilling to redo his deal. Yes he has a 10 million dollar cap number. But that money COULD have been given to him in bonus money that would not count directly against the cap this season. Bengals probably approached him about taking a pay cut and that was not happening. Broncos can rework his deal and give him that 10 million today.

Meaning that he gets a new deal that is more cap friendly to us and more wallet friendly to him.

[gyldenlove]

How is he a potential pro bowler? he is as close to a bust as you come without being one outright. If he is a potential pro bowler then I the same can be said for every player in the league.

[jvw]

I don't think that anybody should get their hopes up on grabbing Robertson. Yes, it would definitely be nice to have his services but don't you think that if Shany really wanted this kid he would have outbid the Bengals in the first place? Just a thought :coffee:

[cvnorton]

Almost 9 mil against the cap to sign this guy.........unless he's Reggie White reincarnated he is not worth that much money!!!

P.S. Yes I know Reggie White was a DE not a DT but just saying he would need to be the same caliber player as White was to be worth that much money

[fraguela09]

Cincinatti was unwilling to redo his deal. Yes he has a 10 million dollar cap number. But that money COULD have been given to him in bonus money that would not count directly against the cap this season. Bengals probably approached him about taking a pay cut and that was not happening. Broncos can rework his deal and give him that 10 million today.

Meaning that he gets a new deal that is more cap friendly to us and more wallet friendly to him.



FOLKS...

Moss-Thomas-Robertson-Crowder could be the DL of the future! All young with loads of potential... Throw Elvis in there... Sprinlkle in Peterson and Mallard, along w/ Ekuban & Engelberger... We would be SET this year.

THUS, we could focus on other needs in the draft. Grab a RB/WR and a LB... That would be nice Day One picks...

We could work something out... be creative. This guy would be a stud... just what we need!

[Ravage!!!]

??? A potential pro-bowl 26 yr-old DT... aint worth the money... especially when we need a DT? OH... OK! SURE... let's go with Kenny Peterson.

ANYWAY... maybe he didn't like Cincy... Maybe he'll work out a deal here... IF NOT, then a trade to DEN could be called off... SO, why not take a shot... see if he'll restructure?

NO.. he's NOT WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY!!!! BINGO. Randy Moss just made 7 million per year if that puts it into perspective for you. NOOOO..... He is NOT WORTH 10 Million against the cap. PERIOD.

Why do you think that Denver pullled themselves out of the trades with the jets for him? DO you think that maybe they found out from dealing that he wasn't willing to renegotiate his contract? Hello????

[fraguela09]

How is he a potential pro bowler? he is as close to a bust as you come without being one outright. If he is a potential pro bowler then I the same can be said for every player in the league.


This guy was very good in the 4-3... At worst he would be a solid starter... AT BEST, he would be that disruptive force up the middle... Allowing ends to rush from the outside... Freeing up Thomas... Putting pressure on QBs...

Guy would be perfect... With the talent we have on defense... This guy would make a difference... he would stand out.

[Ravage!!!]

Cincinatti was unwilling to redo his deal. Yes he has a 10 million dollar cap number. But that money COULD have been given to him in bonus money that would not count directly against the cap this season. Bengals probably approached him about taking a pay cut and that was not happening. Broncos can rework his deal and give him that 10 million today.

Meaning that he gets a new deal that is more cap friendly to us and more wallet friendly to him.

Nooo.. it was Robertson that was unwilling to renegotiate his contract.

Do you not think that the people IN THE BUSINESS of doing NFL contracts thought of the suggests you just brought up, or do you think they only play Madden football and you guys are thinking ABOVE their thought process??????


ROBERTSON is holding the cards here guys. He knows that if he doesn't renegotiate, the Jets will HAVE to cut him, and they will. Thus, he will be able to play the FA market with NOOOOO strings holding him. He can sign where he wants.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

I'm struggling with this guy. At some point we will have to pay a DT top dollar, because we want a guy that puts up this guy's stats and effort. He's also a top off-field guy and locker room guy. And he's entering his prime.

I think he's going to be worth whatever he receives, it just comes down to if the team can afford him.

I think the Jets are getting desperate now. The draft choice compensation should drop to a single 5th rounder now at best. If Denver can spread the hit and get Robertson to renegotiate, which doesn't appear likely, then they should try and make a deal.

There's no other player in Free Agency that would help improve this team more on a consistent basis for multiple years.

[muse]

Well. He may just not want to play for the Bengals (which would be totally understandable). I hope it's that rather than him being greedy...I've heard he's a high character guy. But maybe it is that simple.

Either way it's great news, I think we should make a concerted effort to get him. Although the contract will be a limitation. Shanny will be desperate to cover his own back in contract talks (if we get that far...) which kind of sends out the "I don't really trust you" vibes. I don't blame him by any means but it's a tough situation. Robertson - if what I've read is true in that he's usually pretty cooperative - should be far less risky than giving Gardener/Warren large contracts but you can never be sure.

That said if we do pick him up it'll ease pressure on the draft - although I'd still want to see us take a DT in the 2nd round or thereabouts.

[Ravage!!!]

FOLKS...

Moss-Thomas-Robertson-Crowder could be the DL of the future! All young with loads of potential... Throw Elvis in there... Sprinlkle in Peterson and Mallard, along w/ Ekuban & Engelberger... We would be SET this year.

THUS, we could focus on other needs in the draft. Grab a RB/WR and a LB... That would be nice Day One picks...

We could work something out... be creative. This guy would be a stud... just what we need!

Not if he's not willing to renegotiate... and he is NOT WORTH 10 million a year. DO you really think that you guys are coming up with contract ideas that the Bengals don't know or haven't thought about?? Seriously???

There is a REASON Denver pulled out of the trade talks with him to begin with.. THIS is why. He's unwilling to renegotiate his current contract. Why should he? He's holding all the cards. He can pick where he wants to go after he hits the market as a complete UFA.

[fraguela09]

NO.. he's NOT WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY!!!! BINGO. Randy Moss just made 7 million per year if that puts it into perspective for you. NOOOO..... He is NOT WORTH 10 Million against the cap. PERIOD.

Why do you think that Denver pullled themselves out of the trades with the jets for him? DO you think that maybe they found out from dealing that he wasn't willing to renegotiate his contract? Hello????


AND SHANNY WAS WILLING to cut Javon for nothing and taking a 9 million cap hit this year..

All I'm saying is... the guy would be a good fit.

NOW... we have to spend a Day One pick on a DT... who wont do much for 1-3 years.... Will probably be a bust.

So much talent this year... WR/RB/OT/LB... This is where you want to guy in the first 2 rounds.

AGAIN... there are ways to fiddle w/ the cap hit.

I doubt DEN would do it... Still, doesn't mean it would be a bad move.

We just gave 2.5 a year to a ST player (NIKO) and a possible #3 WR (Colbert)...

[Ravage!!!]

AND SHANNY WAS WILLING to cut Javon for nothing and taking a 9 million cap hit this year..

All I'm saying is... the guy would be a good fit.

NOW... we have to spend a Day One pick on a DT... who wont do much for 1-3 years.... Will probably be a bust.

So much talent this year... WR/RB/OT/LB... This is where you want to guy in the first 2 rounds.

AGAIN... there are ways to fiddle w/ the cap hit.

I doubt DEN would do it... Still, doesn't mean it would be a bad move.

We just gave 2.5 a year to a ST player (NIKO) and a possible #3 WR (Colbert)...

I don't understand your points? SO you think that the DT is worth 10 million against the cap simply because he won't renegotiate??? Is that what you are saying? Because we take a cap hit with Walker, we should be willing to take a 10 million hit with Robertson????

[jvw]

AND SHANNY WAS WILLING to cut Javon for nothing and taking a 9 million cap hit this year..

All I'm saying is... the guy would be a good fit.

NOW... we have to spend a Day One pick on a DT... who wont do much for 1-3 years.... Will probably be a bust.
So much talent this year... WR/RB/OT/LB... This is where you want to guy in the first 2 rounds.

AGAIN... there are ways to fiddle w/ the cap hit.

I doubt DEN would do it... Still, doesn't mean it would be a bad move.

We just gave 2.5 a year to a ST player (NIKO) and a possible #3 WR (Colbert)...
Kind of funny that you are complaining about taking DT in round 1 when your draft wish list has Ellis taken in round 1 :coffee:

[rbk_bronco]

I say go for it we eed one he's young and he is a good guy to build the line around.

[Ravage!!!]

I'm struggling with this guy. At some point we will have to pay a DT top dollar, because we want a guy that puts up this guy's stats and effort. He's also a top off-field guy and locker room guy. And he's entering his prime.

I think he's going to be worth whatever he receives, it just comes down to if the team can afford him.

I think the Jets are getting desperate now. The draft choice compensation should drop to a single 5th rounder now at best. If Denver can spread the hit and get Robertson to renegotiate, which doesn't appear likely, then they should try and make a deal.

There's no other player in Free Agency that would help improve this team more on a consistent basis for multiple years.

I don't think its just going to be the team that can afford him. I think its going to come down to the chances of that team competing as well, because I think he knows he is about to hit the market as a UFA,and can pick his home.

I think thats what he wants more than anything else. Obviously the money will have to be there as well, but its going to have to be a combination of money and the team's chances.

[fraguela09]

Kind of funny that you are complaining about taking DT in round 1 when your draft wish list has Ellis taken in round 1 :coffee:


KIND OF FUNNY... you think we have any chance at Sedrick Ellis. Just b/c he's on my wish list... doesn't mean we have a shot at him.

I see Balmer if we go for a DT in the first... OR... Sims, Moore whoever if we grab one in the 2nd.

AGAIN... our luck... another bust!

[mx_stiles13]

Kind of funny that you are complaining about taking DT in round 1 when your draft wish list has Ellis taken in round 1 :coffee:

He said Day 1.

He is probably supposing that Ellis and Dorsey will be gone so the Broncos will take a guy in rounds 2-3 who may very likely be a bust over a veteran player who is 26 years old who has not reached his full potential and has played pretty well in a 3-4 defense when he is built for a 4-3.

Damn that was a long sentence :D

[fraguela09]

I don't understand your points? SO you think that the DT is worth 10 million against the cap simply because he won't renegotiate??? Is that what you are saying? Because we take a cap hit with Walker, we should be willing to take a 10 million hit with Robertson????

I realize you're having difficulty understanding my point b/c you're fixated on this 10-mill a year figure. AGAIN... let me repeat myself... DEN's capologists could work something out... Transfer money to a signing bonus... whatnot... OWNERS already saying they are opting out of the CBA... Most likely a CAP-FREE year is coming in 2009-2010.

Point is... we could get that cap figure down... this year and next year... and so on... We could work something out... Take a lesser blow to the cap, while still giving him his money.

[jvw]

KIND OF FUNNY... you think we have any chance at Sedrick Ellis. Just b/c he's on my wish list... doesn't mean we have a shot at him.

I see Balmer if we go for a DT in the first... OR... Sims, Moore whoever if we grab one in the 2nd.

AGAIN... our luck... another bust!

Yeah, I think we have a shot at Ellis, I also think we have a shot at Dorsey :eek: Lets not forget that we have Mike Shanahan as a head coach, I don't think he has stayed with his original draft pick ever (exaggerating) :)

[fraguela09]

Yeah, I think we have a shot at Ellis, I also think we have a shot at Dorsey :eek: Lets not forget that we have Mike Shanahan as a head coach, I don't think he has stayed with his original draft pick ever (exaggerating) :)

THAT certainly is true. BUT... with only 2 picks before round 4... AND... with newfound focus to rebuild through the draft... I doubt we trade up...

STIll... wouldn't put anything past SHANNY.

MAYBE DORSEY slips... but Cincy will grab a DT now that they cannot get any in a trade... LOL!


I realize Dewayne is a HUGE gamble... BUT... he's shown he has the ability, he's a good character guy, he's young... I feel he would be perfect fit for our D-line... Mainly b/c he is young (like the ones we have) but also has experience (what we have lack right now)... If we draft a DT... It will help... but... lots of growing pains ahead for this group.

With Robertson, Elvis, Moss, Crowder, Thomas and Harris... That's a nice core to compliment the young foundation we have on offense. AND, if we grab a Day One LB to add with DJ... we have a solid front 7 in our future.

[lancane]

Yeah, I think we have a shot at Ellis, I also think we have a shot at Dorsey :eek: Lets not forget that we have Mike Shanahan as a head coach, I don't think he has stayed with his original draft pick ever (exaggerating) :)

We have a shot at neither of them, especially Ellis...and Dorsey, even if he fell, I think we would pass on him, just because his health concerns and because he is not a traditional nose which we obviously are looking for. Sims may not even fit that role - top three nose tackles in this years draft are Bryant, Rubin and Harrison...then followed by Okam, Morton and Shirley. If we go with a quasi-nose I think Balmer may fit that role, but Sims and Murray would be for sure on the list then.

[Ravage!!!]

I realize you're having difficulty understanding my point b/c you're fixated on this 10-mill a year figure. AGAIN... let me repeat myself... DEN's capologists could work something out... Transfer money to a signing bonus... whatnot... OWNERS already saying they are opting out of the CBA... Most likely a CAP-FREE year is coming in 2009-2010.

Point is... we could get that cap figure down... this year and next year... and so on... We could work something out... Take a lesser blow to the cap, while still giving him his money.

But you are ignoring the fact that Denver pulled out of the trade talks for a reason. That reason most probably was the realization that Robertson is unwilling to renegotiate his contract... period.

Do you honestly feel that the Bengals don't have a knowledge of the contracts and cap space? You think that you can figure something else out that the Bengals couldn't or didn't try?

The Broncos pulled out of the talks, and it took about one day for the Bengals to figure out that Robertson wasn't going to renegotiate. Whats that tell you? I know it tells me that he's not willing to renegotiate.... period.

Of course it would be nice to get him. Of course we know we would have to spend big bucks to get him. But if he's not willing to renegotiate, he's not willing to renegotiate. He's not worth 10 million against the cap.

[fraguela09]

That is true. I'm sure DEN is willing to move the picks... and would get him if they wanted him... I'm sure they wont accept his contract. I'm not even sure we COULD take that hit this year, w/out going over the cap?

A shame... I think it would be a perfect fit for what we need.

Maybe we can work out a contract when/if he becomes a free agent.

[JoRo]

But you are ignoring the fact that Denver pulled out of the trade talks for a reason. That reason most probably was the realization that Robertson is unwilling to renegotiate his contract... period.

Do you honestly feel that the Bengals don't have a knowledge of the contracts and cap space? You think that you can figure something else out that the Bengals couldn't or didn't try?

The Broncos pulled out of the talks, and it took about one day for the Bengals to figure out that Robertson wasn't going to renegotiate. Whats that tell you? I know it tells me that he's not willing to renegotiate.... period.

Of course it would be nice to get him. Of course we know we would have to spend big bucks to get him. But if he's not willing to renegotiate, he's not willing to renegotiate. He's not worth 10 million against the cap.



So what do you think the odds are we get him after hes released at a lower cost?

[lancane]

So what do you think the odds are we get him after hes released at a lower cost?

I doubt we can touch him then, teams with more cap room will be gunning for him big time...lol.

IMHO I believe we will either sign some unknown defensive tackle, another Colbert-esq player, but more then likely just draft two solid nose prospects in the draft.

[BroncosTX77]

I nailed that right on the head this morning while everyone else was taking cover because the sky was falling.....


:coffee:

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

Check out this Report:


According to a source close to the Bengals, Cincinnati called off the trade because of concerns about Robertson's problematic left knee.
Remember in 2005, Robertson was having problems with the knee, and Herman Edwards shut him down for the season in December.

Well at the time, Edwards said that Robertson had "bone-on-bone" in the knee.

That can be a career-ending condition. Just ask Curtis Martin.

Well according to the Bengal source, after D-Rob took a physical, the team didn't like the reports they were given on the left knee. So the deal was called off.

The irony of this story is that Robertson played the last two years on that knee without missing a game.

But Robertson's left knee condition could make it hard for the Jets to get market value for D-Rob.


http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=2&c=734204

[JoRo]

I doubt we can touch him then, teams with more cap room will be gunning for him big time...lol.

IMHO I believe we will either sign some unknown defensive tackle, another Colbert-esq player, but more then likely just draft two solid nose prospects in the draft.


I can't see us hinging that much of the DT position on rookies Lanc...


I'm guessing the no name FA thing comes to fruit first....


That is if there is anyone even worth signing a no namers contract left :P

[lancane]

I can't see us hinging that much of the DT position on rookies Lanc...


I'm guessing the no name FA thing comes to fruit first....


That is if there is anyone even worth signing a no namers contract left :P

Very likely we will see some kid or very old veteran between 330 to 350lbs. who really has been nothing but a backup elsewhere be given a chance at the job.

[Ravage!!!]

Check out this Report:

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=2&c=734204

This makes me wonder if this is whats keeping Denver from jumping on this guy. Could be they are feeling the effects of Javon Walker and his knee to think about spending more draft picks for another knee.

[BroncosTX77]

The Bengals reportedly may have backed out of their proposed trade for Jets DT Dewayne Robertson due to a bone-on-bone condition in his knee.
The Bengals may have balked at giving him a long-term deal because of the knee. Robertson recently also had hand surgery, but that was a non-issue.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/03/04/2008-03-04_jets_try_to_deal_dewayne_robertson_to_be.html