Why Do we put up with these Lame Drafts that Sunkuist and Shanny Have???

[japfaff]

I want to begin this by saying that I am a life long Bronco fan, and I will forever love Shanny for the back to back.
However, why do we as bronco fans give Shanny such a pass when it comes to the Draft? I mean go back 5 years (those would be the players that would be the core of our team), and look at the trash that we have drafted. With the exception of 06, we drafted 30 players in 03-05, and 07. Of those players only 7 are still with the team, and only one (DJ Williams) is a starter. Also 4 of the 7 were 07 picks, so we will see about them. All Shanny seems to do is go for the quick fix with an old over priced vet, who has one good year and then we pay him tons of cash, only to be rewarded with nothing (see Gerrard Warren, and Javon Walker). What happened to our line, Our defense? I remember the Super Bowl years when we weren't the best but we got tons of heat on the qb and forced turnovers. Now all we do is try to retread players that were trash to begin with (see Courtney Brown, and Alvin McKinley).
GO down the list of our wonderful first day pick the last 5 years:
03
Rd1(20) George Foster
Rd2(51) Terry Pierce
04
Rd1(17) DJ Williams
Rd2(41) Tatum Bell
Rd2(54) Darius Watts
Rd3(85) Jeremy LeSueur
05
Rd2(56) Darrent Williams
Rd3(76) Karl Paymah
Rd3(97) Domonique Foxworth
Rd3(101) Maurice Clarett

So please tell me Bronco Fans.....Why do we have any belief that he wont screw up this draft????

[BroncosFan0226]

not to be rude or anything but whining and complaining about previous drafts will not give us the option to redraft those drafts

[Broncos724]

Because we don't actually own the team so we have no say whatsoever in who they draft? That's why I put up with it at least...no other choice.

Their drafting isn't terrible anyway, at least not any worse than the average NFL team.

[SethGrandpa]

The reason we put up with them is because this isn't a democracy. They're in charge and make the decisions. We can complain but that's it. Deal.

[thehorsesmouth]

I think the drafts were not overall that bad, especially 05. But even 04 wasn't bad at all.

[rusty_thomson]

i dont care who else shanny drafted
he drafted dwill and he IS the man!! R.I.P D-WILL

[Zanders76]

I think the drafts were not overall that bad, especially 05. But even 04 wasn't bad at all.

Diddo :rockon:

[japfaff]

I mean I agree that D-Will was gonna be great, and what happened sucked, but come on all those first day picks that never saw the field, heck never made it outa training camp. I pose this to you all, show me a team that has drafted worse than us?

[japfaff]

I think the drafts were not overall that bad, especially 05. But even 04 wasn't bad at all.

04 wasn't that bad? Are you high??

DJ Williams LB
Tatum Bell RB
Darius Watts WR
Jeremy LeShueur CB
Jeff Shoate CB
Triandos Luke WR
Josh Sewell C
Matt Mauck QB
Brandon Miree FB
Bradlee Van Pelt QB

Yeah that draft set our team up!:confused:

DJ was a nice pick, but he is far from a Pro Bowler, Van Pelt wasn't that bad for a 7th.....But Darius Watts? That guy couldn't catch a cold

[ItalianBronco]

DETROIT LIONS:smug:

[Bowie Man]

DJ was a nice pick, but he is far from a Pro Bowler

Are you kidding me? DJ should have gone to the Pro Bowl but he was ripped off. He led the AFC and was 2nd in the NFL in tackles with 141.:salute:

[PowderAddict]

Why exclude 06?

Look at 05-07 - almost all are either starting, or contributing. The last 3 drafts have been pretty darned good.

[Ravage!!!]

Its like the zoo folks.... DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

[str8jacket]

Its like the zoo folks.... DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

B-b-b-but........

[saltybuggah]

B-b-b-but........

im a life long broncos fan :sad:

[PowderAddict]

Its like the zoo folks.... DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

:laugh: Good call!

I owe you a few cp's, but by the time I spread enough around, I've given too much out in the last 24 hours :P

[CanDB]

I have been a bronco fan for many, many years, and I still believe in them, but my gut tells me that some of the leadership "magic" is gone (recently). Questionable transactions, less character, seemingly desparate moves at times. Maybe some of us expect too much.

BUT I STILL BELIEVE!

[myoung]

I would have agreed with this thread three years ago, but I am not so sure anymore. 2005 was good, 2006 was fantastic (may very well end up as our best draft ever), and last year should produce a couple to a few starters for a long long time.

I believe the drafts have gotten better the last few years and it gives me confidence for this year.

I have never been a fan of being critical of a process and excluding the most important piece of information (2006 draft) that counters your point.

[japfaff]

05 was a good draft?? Are you serious? All we have to show of it is 3 part time players. 07 Crowder showed a little. Moss did nothing before he was hurt. Harris has aligator arms, and is really only suited for guard (God help us if he is our left tackle this year). Thomas, in trouble already. Not worth the third round pick that we gave up for him.
The 06 Draft was a homerun for us...I cant say anything bad about it. Assuming that Marshall isnt the next Ashley Lelie (Because remember after Lelie's second year everyone was saying what a dynamic reciever he was). Cutler is solid (the best young Qb). Kuper....we will see...hopefully he can improve. Scheffler, love him in the passing game, and I think that he will learn to block. Dumervil will be the best pure pass rusher once we can get someone on the other side to take the double team off him.
But dont say Shanny's a genious, when his track record in the draft sucks. Who has shown you anything? He averages 1 solid player a draft, and no bonified pro bowlers.

As for Dj getting robbed with the pro Bowl.... Please, he was always out of position, and didnt seem at all like the leader that the Mlb needs to be. We went from a top 10 defense in 06, to #28 in 07 and the only difference was DJ in the middle, and Bly on the outside. Hopefully year two is a better year for him

[Bowie Man]

As for Dj getting robbed with the pro Bowl.... Please, he was always out of position, and didnt seem at all like the leader that the Mlb needs to be. We went from a top 10 defense in 06, to #28 in 07 and the only difference was DJ in the middle, and Bly on the outside. Hopefully year two is a better year for him

How can you say that? 141 tackles is not out of position. The only difference was NOT Williams in the middle and Bly at corner. We lost Wilson, Warren, Ekuban to injury, moving Williams left a hole at SAM that wasn't filled, Lynch and Ferguson were out with injuries half the time-that leaves Bailey, Bly, Williams, Gold, and bunch of second year players, backups, and rotational players. That looks very different than the year before.:salute:

[japfaff]

Still there was no leader out theree...You saw it in 06 when Al went down. yeah 141 tackles are great but how many tackles for loss? sacks?. I understand that the middle backer in our D isnt going to get to the qb, but when all his tackles are after 5 and 6 yard gains. That is a problem. He could shed his blocker. Gold was a HUGE problem. missed more tackles than he made. Ekuban and Warren never really did anything in 06 either. Williams was a tough loss emotionally, but lets call him what he was.... He was not anywhere near a great player. He was burned deep far more often than he made plays.

[Chidoze]

Looks like things are looking up for you japfaff. Sundquist is officially gone! :cool:

[kona bronco]

Because we sit in a chair and watch the draft they get paid to make all the decisions. Life just ain't fair.:P

[22cannon]

I want to begin this by saying that I am a life long Bronco fan, and I will forever love Shanny for the back to back.
However, why do we as bronco fans give Shanny such a pass when it comes to the Draft? I mean go back 5 years (those would be the players that would be the core of our team), and look at the trash that we have drafted. With the exception of 06, we drafted 30 players in 03-05, and 07. Of those players only 7 are still with the team, and only one (DJ Williams) is a starter. Also 4 of the 7 were 07 picks, so we will see about them. All Shanny seems to do is go for the quick fix with an old over priced vet, who has one good year and then we pay him tons of cash, only to be rewarded with nothing (see Gerrard Warren, and Javon Walker). What happened to our line, Our defense? I remember the Super Bowl years when we weren't the best but we got tons of heat on the qb and forced turnovers. Now all we do is try to retread players that were trash to begin with (see Courtney Brown, and Alvin McKinley).
GO down the list of our wonderful first day pick the last 5 years:
03
Rd1(20) George Foster
Rd2(51) Terry Pierce
04
Rd1(17) DJ Williams
Rd2(41) Tatum Bell
Rd2(54) Darius Watts
Rd3(85) Jeremy LeSueur
05
Rd2(56) Darrent Williams
Rd3(76) Karl Paymah
Rd3(97) Domonique Foxworth
Rd3(101) Maurice Clarett

So please tell me Bronco Fans.....Why do we have any belief that he wont screw up this draft????


Great now you got the guy fired............nice job

[garzjoe]

Looks like things are looking up for you japfaff. Sundquist is officially gone! :cool:

Great now you got the guy fired............nice job

Damn...the both of you beat me to it. I'm slow tonight! :D

-Joe

[beastlyskronk]

Still there was no leader out theree...You saw it in 06 when Al went down. yeah 141 tackles are great but how many tackles for loss? sacks?. I understand that the middle backer in our D isnt going to get to the qb, but when all his tackles are after 5 and 6 yard gains. That is a problem. He could shed his blocker. Gold was a HUGE problem. missed more tackles than he made. Ekuban and Warren never really did anything in 06 either. Williams was a tough loss emotionally, but lets call him what he was.... He was not anywhere near a great player. He was burned deep far more often than he made plays.

DUMBEST POST EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously Genos had 170 total tackles. At least 20 of them were for a loss. 16 tackles against Oakland then he followed it up with a terrible 3 against KC and then 9 at Houston and 12 at San Diego and finished the season with 8 against Minny. He got better towards the end of the season but that doesn't matter since he's moving back to WILL.

How was Gold a huge problem. Yeah he missed about 15 or so tackles over the year but really linemen weren't supposed to get to him and they did consistently so it was like having 2 SAM linebackers. In reality he would have had about 20 more tackles or so if the d-line didn't suck.

Ekuban had about 6 or 8 sacks in 06 and DTs aren't supposed to get a lot of sacks anyway even though he was a pass rushing DT. The average sack total for starting DTs is about 4 or 5.

D-Will made tons of plays and he hardly ever got beat for big plays. Sometimes he got beat in the redzone but that was because of Lynch being too slow to get over there to help him which he was expecting to come. In 2 years he had 4 TDs and 8 INTs. Not to mention his 160 tackles. He was going to be a great SHUTDOWN corner in the league.

[myoung]

05 was a good draft?? Are you serious? All we have to show of it is 3 part time players.

I hope you are not holding the draft folks accountable for the death of Darrent Williams. Come on he was a developing stud and the situation around that is unfortunate; but don't blame the draft for that.

We came away with one solid starter and our 3rd and 4th CB. Plus another contributor. Also keep in mind we did not have a first round pick. This was a good draft. The death of the best player has scewed the view of that draft now but I don't think that is Shanny's fault for drafting him.

[D.J.55]

Still there was no leader out theree...You saw it in 06 when Al went down. yeah 141 tackles are great but how many tackles for loss? sacks?. I understand that the middle backer in our D isnt going to get to the qb, but when all his tackles are after 5 and 6 yard gains. That is a problem. He could shed his blocker. Gold was a HUGE problem. missed more tackles than he made. Ekuban and Warren never really did anything in 06 either. Williams was a tough loss emotionally, but lets call him what he was.... He was not anywhere near a great player. He was burned deep far more often than he made plays.

Wow. I think what D.J. was amazing. The DT position was a revolving door. In Bates system the DT was really the focal point of the whole defense. They were meant to hold ground at the point of attack so it would allow the LBs to follow and make plays. But with so many guys in and out it was hard for that to happen. So half of the time D.J. wasnt protected so he had to fight off the blocks , s0 140 tackles is pretty amzing considering that. So with that said I would like to see you fight your way off a 6-3 320 guard and make a tackle on LJ or LT. Easier said than done.

Ekuban was one of the main players on our defense. So was Warren. Without Ekuban and Warren this year you saw what happened, no help for the LB so a poor run defense. Now think if both were back. See the diffence (see 06 run defense)?

[Maharishineo]

Great now you got the guy fired............nice job

It's official to all of you haters! The organization does read our posts, and we do have a say on what the team does! Bye, Ted. :cheers:

*sarcasm* :goofy:

[japfaff]

But you are all missing what I am saying.....I said DJ wasnt a pro bowl caliber player, I think he is a great WIL. I thought that he regressed a bit when Gold came back and he was shifted to SAM. But I would love him at the WIL. As for people saying that the line didnt help him out... I couldnt agree more. But it is his job to make plays. Hell after the Goose retiered Ray Lewis was still all world for years. Even with nobody to keep the blockers off him. It is part of his job to get free and make plays. Wilson had the same D-line, and he was everywhere.

[japfaff]

As for Sunquist being fired..... I dont blame Sunquist as much as i blame Shanny... We can definatly all agree that are drafts were terrible from like 99 to 2004. Sunquist's first draft as GM was 2005, and I think that we have had marked imprvement since then. I have been a bronco fan since I was 5, so just short of 30 years...The first few years we really sucked. But I just hate the fact that for the last 9 years we have 1 play-off win. The Chargers have as manny play-off wins. That is just wrong, they should always be our whipping boys. Where is the accountability with the coach cause something needs to get fixed. Or maybe some people are happy with 7-9 seasons.

[myoung]

But you are all missing what I am saying.....I said DJ wasnt a pro bowl caliber player, I think he is a great WIL. I thought that he regressed a bit when Gold came back and he was shifted to SAM. But I would love him at the WIL. As for people saying that the line didnt help him out... I couldnt agree more. But it is his job to make plays. Hell after the Goose retiered Ray Lewis was still all world for years. Even with nobody to keep the blockers off him. It is part of his job to get free and make plays. Wilson had the same D-line, and he was everywhere.

I agree with you that DJ did not have a pro bowl quality season last year and the number of tackles is very deceiving. His reaction time and ability to get off blocks is not great. He does have strong athleticism which makes up for some of it, but DJ ends up dragging guys down from behind alot instead of hitting them in the hole. In fact all of our LBs struggled with this last year. This results in players getting an extra couple yards on the running plays. The DLine did not keep the players away from our LBs and our LBs are not strong at shedding the blocks.

Let's be realistic here there was a reason we were so bad against the run last year.

[Bowie Man]

I agree with you that DJ did not have a pro bowl quality season last year and the number of tackles is very deceiving. His reaction time and ability to get off blocks is not great. He does have strong athleticism which makes up for some of it, but DJ ends up dragging guys down from behind alot instead of hitting them in the hole. In fact all of our LBs struggled with this last year. This results in players getting an extra couple yards on the running plays. The DLine did not keep the players away from our LBs and our LBs are not strong at shedding the blocks.

Let's be realistic here there was a reason we were so bad against the run last year.

And the reason was the D-line, not DJ. What you said is almost exactly what I'm saying. If we can fix the D-line DJ will be making tackles behind the LOS and not dragging them down from behind. As for reaction time, this is his FIRST year at MIKE. He got better as the season progressed but he has very little experience at it. I expect great things from him this season IF we improve the DTs.:salute: