Ryan Harris!!!

[KWHIT97]

I was rummaging through some old draft books I have and from looking through last year's collection I read some interesting stuff on Ryan Harris!

Sporting News: "Can be as mobile as any Tackle in the NFL when he plays with his knees bent. Has the quickness and athleticism to gain the perimeter in a flash. Slides easily out to corners and cuts off explosive pass rushers. Can be dominate when pass blocking with his leverage and agressive hands. Does a solid initial job on positional blocks and blocks well in the open field. Pulls and get's outside easily to lead blocks. Is strong enough to dominate but doesn't do it often."

Bottom Line: "Harris is a first round athlete but probably won't be a first round pick. He lacks competitive fire, a problem that seldom improves with coaching. If someone finds the switch he will become a dominant Left Tackle."

PFW: "Harris has all the tools and will be a starter in the NFL. Somewhat of an enigma who plays when he wants to. Superb at pass blocking and strong enough to hold up in the run game. Sometimes plays upright and can be blown off the ball but when he's on his game he can make a team's best pass rusher insignificant.

Our Take: "Harris has the talent and must be groomed in the right system. Attitude is a concern but good coaching can change that. While Joe Thomas is firmly entrenched as the number one tackle, Harris could push Levi Brown as the number two if he works out well. He will be a late first round pick and will need some time. In 2 to 3 years he should become a solid Left Tackle for someone."

Interesting, everyone in here is lobbying for a Tackle in round 1 but I think Shanahan feels he has his LT in place. If you look at the Tackles we could take in round 1; Ryan Clady (projects as a LT), Chris Williams (projects as a LT) and not that he would get to us but Jake Long projects as a LT.

I have been back and forth with this issue but Shanahan has stated that he likes his young tackles, so it is what it is. Shouldn't we give this guy a chance before we replace him, I think Shanny will and he will not take a Tackle in round 1!

I do feel however that the Broncos will look for a possible RT later in the draft. If Sam Baker or Gosder Cherilus are there in round 2 that would be perfect, but unlikely. The most likely scenario will be us taking a Tackle or 2 on Day 2, guys like Oniel Cousins, Kirk Barton, and King Dunlap come to mind.

Bottom line: Shanahan has something up his sleeve for that 1st round pick, and it has nothing to do with OT. For better or worse Harris will be protecting Jay's blind side, so learn to live with it!!! :coffee:

[CTM]

Thats why I believe we go OG with Albert in the first to help protect Jay. When we do go OT I like Kirk Barton in the 4th because he projects best at RT and could challenge to start if Pears doesnt play well.

Thats just my:2cents:

[BroncosTX77]

I think most of the 'experts' will tell ya 2 things.

Most if not all of the top OT prospects are better fits at RT. Chris Williams is the best LT according to many.

Denver wants Harris to win LT job outright. He was drafted to replace Lepsis. Harris and Pears will duke it out for LT loser most likely gets RT.

I believe Denver will still sign a FA OL or 2 for depth including drafting a couple OL for depth.

[gyldenlove]

Keep an eye out for Gosder Cherillus in the 2nd. He had 1st round grade early on, but didn't work out too well.

He is a natural RT, he is a very good run blocker and has excellent size and mobility.

He will drop because he isn't a good LT, which could play for us as a replacement for Pears and a long term solution across from Harris. Pears is a perfect backup, he can play both tackles, is young and has experience in the system.

[kona bronco]

I really think a trade down to pick up Brandon Albert and another 2nd could be our best bet.

[gyldenlove]

Why pick up an OG?

We actually have acceptable depth on the interior line, servicable guards are pretty cheap as seen last year by Cooper Carlisle who is no superstar but a decent depth guy.

On the other hand we have no, read that again, no, zip, nada, silch, nill, zero, the old goose-egg, donut backups on OT, and a starter who is probably better served being a backup.

[D.J.55]

Why pick up an OG?

We actually have acceptable depth on the interior line, servicable guards are pretty cheap as seen last year by Cooper Carlisle who is no superstar but a decent depth guy.

On the other hand we have no, read that again, no, zip, nada, silch, nill, zero, the old goose-egg, donut backups on OT, and a starter who is probably better served being a backup.

Because Albert can play tackle as well. He's 6'7 315. He ran 5.14 40 which is very impressive for his size. I wouldnt be surprised if we do move down to take him. He would push Montrae Holland and Ben Hamilton for a starting spot he was to stay at guard. If moved to tackle he would be a upgrade over Pears at RT and could would battle Harris for LT.

Albert is a better prospect at Guard then what Ben Grubbs was last year. And Grubbs was the 28th pick I believe.

Im hoping we move down and get Albert or WR Devin Thomas (who is flying up the boards).

[AC1]

I was rummaging through some old draft books I have and from looking through last year's collection I read some interesting stuff on Ryan Harris!

Sporting News: "Can be as mobile as any Tackle in the NFL when he plays with his knees bent. Has the quickness and athleticism to gain the perimeter in a flash. Slides easily out to corners and cuts off explosive pass rushers. Can be dominate when pass blocking with his leverage and agressive hands. Does a solid initial job on positional blocks and blocks well in the open field. Pulls and get's outside easily to lead blocks. Is strong enough to dominate but doesn't do it often."

Bottom Line: "Harris is a first round athlete but probably won't be a first round pick. He lacks competitive fire, a problem that seldom improves with coaching. If someone finds the switch he will become a dominant Left Tackle."

PFW: "Harris has all the tools and will be a starter in the NFL. Somewhat of an enigma who plays when he wants to. Superb at pass blocking and strong enough to hold up in the run game. Sometimes plays upright and can be blown off the ball but when he's on his game he can make a team's best pass rusher insignificant.

Our Take: "Harris has the talent and must be groomed in the right system. Attitude is a concern but good coaching can change that. While Joe Thomas is firmly entrenched as the number one tackle, Harris could push Levi Brown as the number two if he works out well. He will be a late first round pick and will need some time. In 2 to 3 years he should become a solid Left Tackle for someone."

Interesting, everyone in here is lobbying for a Tackle in round 1 but I think Shanahan feels he has his LT in place. If you look at the Tackles we could take in round 1; Ryan Clady (projects as a LT), Chris Williams (projects as a LT) and not that he would get to us but Jake Long projects as a LT.

I have been back and forth with this issue but Shanahan has stated that he likes his young tackles, so it is what it is. Shouldn't we give this guy a chance before we replace him, I think Shanny will and he will not take a Tackle in round 1!

I do feel however that the Broncos will look for a possible RT later in the draft. If Sam Baker or Gosder Cherilus are there in round 2 that would be perfect, but unlikely. The most likely scenario will be us taking a Tackle or 2 on Day 2, guys like Oniel Cousins, Kirk Barton, and King Dunlap come to mind.

Bottom line: Shanahan has something up his sleeve for that 1st round pick, and it has nothing to do with OT. For better or worse Harris will be protecting Jay's blind side, so learn to live with it!!! :coffee:

I'm sure this is a subjective matter, but reading this report has me more concerned than ever about Harris. I was previously just concerned about his ability to stay healthy and on the field with a back that has had two surgeries already. Now we hear that he plays when he feels like it. Serious cause for concern.

Now despite all this, there's still a possibility that Harris goes on to become a solid (maybe even a probowl) LT. Heck, it's also possible that Pears is just a late bloomer who takes off in his third year (I really hope he does; I love it when these low-round picks and undrafted guys make it). It still wouldn't be a wasted first-round pick to take an OT. For starters, right now we don't have anyone after Pears and Harris, and an injury to either would leave us in dire straits. Moreover, the chances of Harris and Pears turning into elite tackles are equal (if not lower) than their chances of not doing so.

Bringing in a guy like Clady or Williams (both guys with elite talent, great upsides, and strong motors), gives us elite competition at the position, which in turn increases the chances of finding ourselves an elite starter. The worst case actually would be that all three pan out and we have three solid tackles. That is a seriously enviable position to be in and you can bet teams will come knocking for one of them, offering a top draft pick in return.

[kona bronco]

So I guess the big debate is do we take a possible backup OT in Clady or Williams, a possible back up to Henry in Mendenhall or Stewart or trade down and get a guard like Brandon Alberts to possibly back up Holland and Hamilton and get an extra pick.

[odie333]

I really think a trade down to pick up Brandon Albert and another 2nd could be our best bet.

I am with you 100%. I think Albert would be a great addition to the OL. Mike Mayock from NFL network thinks he could be an elite tackle at the next level. He would provide competition at the tackle position, or at least be a dominant guard ala Faneca or Hutchinson.

[CTM]

I am with you 100%. I think Albert would be a great addition to the OL. Mike Mayock from NFL network thinks he could be an elite tackle at the next level. He would provide competition at the tackle position, or at least be a dominant guard ala Faneca or Hutchinson.

He is a beast with great pass protecting ability. After seeing Cutler getting roughed up and not having time to throw I think protection should be a top priority.

[Bowie Man]

I am with you 100%. I think Albert would be a great addition to the OL. Mike Mayock from NFL network thinks he could be an elite tackle at the next level. He would provide competition at the tackle position, or at least be a dominant guard ala Faneca or Hutchinson.

I like Albert, but I would want the draft to turn out just right if we did that and it would be really hard.:salute:

[kona bronco]

I am with you 100%. I think Albert would be a great addition to the OL. Mike Mayock from NFL network thinks he could be an elite tackle at the next level. He would provide competition at the tackle position, or at least be a dominant guard ala Faneca or Hutchinson.

I agree if Alberts is our pick and Harris is all that he's cracked up to be this could be a dominate left side. Pick up and extra 2nd for the trade down and solidify the right side with Sam Baker. Then go defense tackle with our 2nd.

[gyldenlove]

Because Albert can play tackle as well. He's 6'7 315. He ran 5.14 40 which is very impressive for his size. I wouldnt be surprised if we do move down to take him. He would push Montrae Holland and Ben Hamilton for a starting spot he was to stay at guard. If moved to tackle he would be a upgrade over Pears at RT and could would battle Harris for LT.

Albert is a better prospect at Guard then what Ben Grubbs was last year. And Grubbs was the 28th pick I believe.

Im hoping we move down and get Albert or WR Devin Thomas (who is flying up the boards).

Why take an OG an try to convert him when you can take someone who already has experience at OT?

Here is my point, Hollands is a better guard than Pears is a tackle. From the group of Hamilton, Myers and Kuper we can find someone who is a better guard than Pears is a tackle. Ryan Harris is a great unknown, he might be the next big thing or he might not. What we do know is that Myers did okay as LG, Holland did pretty good, Hamilton is acceptable, Kuper was a surprise at LG.

So the only conclusion must be that we have a much bigger need at OT than OG.

So why not pick an OT?

Albert has 2 starts at OT as a backup, that hardly makes him a top OT prospect. I agree he is a really good OG prospect, but there are many players I would draft ahead of him for OT.

Gosder Cherilus is the same size 6'61/2 weighs 314 and has a 40 of 5.14
Sam Baker is 6'5 weighs 309 and has a 40 of 5.09
Williams is 6'6 315lbs and has 5.13

There is nothing exceptional about Alberts numbers compared to other players who will be drafted around the same time, and those players are all experienced tackles.

[D.J.55]

Why take an OG an try to convert him when you can take someone who already has experience at OT?

Here is my point, Hollands is a better guard than Pears is a tackle. From the group of Hamilton, Myers and Kuper we can find someone who is a better guard than Pears is a tackle. Ryan Harris is a great unknown, he might be the next big thing or he might not. What we do know is that Myers did okay as LG, Holland did pretty good, Hamilton is acceptable, Kuper was a surprise at LG.

So the only conclusion must be that we have a much bigger need at OT than OG.

So why not pick an OT?

Albert has 2 starts at OT as a backup, that hardly makes him a top OT prospect. I agree he is a really good OG prospect, but there are many players I would draft ahead of him for OT.

Gosder Cherilus is the same size 6'61/2 weighs 314 and has a 40 of 5.14
Sam Baker is 6'5 weighs 309 and has a 40 of 5.09
Williams is 6'6 315lbs and has 5.13

There is nothing exceptional about Alberts numbers compared to other players who will be drafted around the same time, and those players are all experienced tackles.

Albert physically dominates opponents with great strenght. That something we need bad. I would rather have Albert than any of the ture Tackles in this draft. Reason being is because Albert has experience all over the line and can play on either side. Versatillity plays a big role in on Olinemen.

Plus to he bigger (height wise) than all the ture tackles and I would even say hes a better pass protector than all the Tackles. Even Jake Long (who struggles with speed rushers, Albert doesnt).

Long and Albert are the most dominate linemen in this draft. We need some who dominates in the run game and can keep Cutler upright in the pocket. Alberts fits the bill.

[gyldenlove]

Albert physically dominates opponents with great strenght. That something we need bad. I would rather have Albert than any of the ture Tackles in this draft. Reason being is because Albert has experience all over the line and can play on either side. Versatillity plays a big role in on Olinemen.

Plus to he bigger (height wise) than all the ture tackles and I would even say hes a better pass protector than all the Tackles. Even Jake Long (who struggles with speed rushers, Albert doesnt).

Long and Albert are the most dominate linemen in this draft. We need some who dominates in the run game and can keep Cutler upright in the pocket. Alberts fits the bill.

Of course, very few guards struggle with speed rushers because most DT's are not that fast and can't run around you because then they run into the C or T.

2 games in College doesn't count as experience at OT.

He is about 1 inch higher than the average OT in the draft, that is not much. Walter Jones is 6'5, Joe Thomas is 6'6 so you can be a very good OT at that height.

Albert allowed 5.5 sacks and was penalized twice this year, he had 54 knockdowns.

Chris Williams allowed 2 sacks over his entire college career. He allowed 1 sack this year and had 102 knockdowns.

I know what I think is more dominant.

[Sequence]

let's trade down in 1 to someone before Seattle's pick at what 25? and snag JC's old teamate and "protector" Chris Williams (the 'hawks have him pegged.) I cant think of a better LT to watch JC's blindside, a guy so strong and fundamentally sound, protection-wise, he could start. A Commodore reunion right here in D, and maybe moreso with Earl Bennett if possible....

I have a bad feeling about this Ryan Harris guy. Backs never heal right. And LOT's like CW are impossible to find. What he allowed 1 sack against Michigan in their first game last year, and not a single one in the next 11 games? In the SEC??

Then maybe we can get a high third and snare Old School Owen S before Buffalo does. Instant line upgrade right there at 1 and 3, since Schmitt has played line before, and will HAPPILY do anything coach requires of him.

All JC needs is one or two more seconds....

[kona bronco]

Of course, very few guards struggle with speed rushers because most DT's are not that fast and can't run around you because then they run into the C or T.

2 games in College doesn't count as experience at OT.

He is about 1 inch higher than the average OT in the draft, that is not much. Walter Jones is 6'5, Joe Thomas is 6'6 so you can be a very good OT at that height.

Albert allowed 5.5 sacks and was penalized twice this year, he had 54 knockdowns.

Chris Williams allowed 2 sacks over his entire college career. He allowed 1 sack this year and had 102 knockdowns.

I know what I think is more dominant.

Odds are Nalen will retire at the end of the 08 season. With Myers looking at Houston that leaves Hamilton to play center. Draft Brandon Alberts to take Hamiltons place or Get Steve Justice later. We can still get a guy like Zuttah in the 4th for depth at OT. Either way this could lead to finnaly rebuilding a dominate O-line

[kona bronco]

let's trade down in 1 to someone before Seattle's pick at what 25 and snag JC's old teamate and "protector" Chris Williams. I cant think of a better LT to watch JC's blindside, a guy so strong and fundamentally sound, protection-wise, he could start. A Commodore reunion right here in D, and maybe moreso with Earl Bennett....

I have a bad feeling about this Ryan Harris guy. Backs never heal right.

Then maybe we can get a high third and snare Old School Owen S before Buffalo does. Instant line upgrade right there at 1 and 3, since Schmitt has played line before, and will HAPPILY do anything coach requires of him.

Williams wont fall that low, probly wont get passed pick 20.

[Max Power]

Odds are Nalen will retire at the end of the 08 season. With Myers looking at Houston that leaves Hamilton to play center. Draft Brandon Alberts to take Hamiltons place or Get Steve Justice later. We can still get a guy like Zuttah in the 4th for depth at OT. Either way this could lead to finnaly rebuilding a dominate O-line

I prefer Clady/Williams in the 1st and then a G in the 4th/5th round.

[kona bronco]

I prefer Clady/Williams in the 1st and then a G in the 4th/5th round.

What gaurd in the 4th or 5th well be a nasty SOB like Alberts he is the type of football player we have been missing for years. He is to guards as Owen Schmitt is to FB and still get a good ZBS Ot in the fourth like Zuttah. ALso if we trade down that far we get a second rounder included. With that pixk pick up Sam Baker to secure the right side.

[AC1]

let's trade down in 1 to someone before Seattle's pick at what 25 and snag JC's old teamate and "protector" Chris Williams. I cant think of a better LT to watch JC's blindside, a guy so strong and fundamentally sound, protection-wise, he could start. A Commodore reunion right here in D, and maybe moreso with Earl Bennett....

I have a bad feeling about this Ryan Harris guy. Backs never heal right.

Then maybe we can get a high third and snare Old School Owen S before Buffalo does. Instant line upgrade right there at 1 and 3, since Schmitt has played line before, and will HAPPILY do anything coach requires of him.

If both Clady and Chris Williams are available past the 12th pick, the Panthers will take Clady and the Bears take Williams. Both will quite likely be gone by the 15th pick.

[Max Power]

What gaurd in the 4th or 5th well be a nasty SOB like Alberts he is the type of football player we have been missing for years. He is to guards as Owen Schmitt is to FB and still get a good ZBS Ot in the fourth like Zuttah. ALso if we trade down that far we get a second rounder included. With that pixk pick up Sam Baker to secure the right side.

I don't really care that much about getting a "nasty SOB" for a guard. I care about getting a guy who will provide depth and competition and will fit in this scheme more. Not saying that Albert doesn't, it's just my preference to go in a different direction.

I don't think Baker would make a good RT in the NFL, he is not big or physical enough. His best fit is at LT in a ZBS.

[AC1]

Odds are Nalen will retire at the end of the 08 season. With Myers looking at Houston that leaves Hamilton to play center. Draft Brandon Alberts to take Hamiltons place or Get Steve Justice later. We can still get a guy like Zuttah in the 4th for depth at OT. Either way this could lead to finnaly rebuilding a dominate O-line

Even if Nalen were to retire and Hamilton slides to takeover at center, we have Kuper to start at LG. I also don't think we lose Myers to Houston, because he is more valuable to us than to them (depending on how bad Hamilton's condition is). Interior OL is not as big a need as OT is.

[D.J.55]

Of course, very few guards struggle with speed rushers because most DT's are not that fast and can't run around you because then they run into the C or T.

2 games in College doesn't count as experience at OT.

He is about 1 inch higher than the average OT in the draft, that is not much. Walter Jones is 6'5, Joe Thomas is 6'6 so you can be a very good OT at that height.

Albert allowed 5.5 sacks and was penalized twice this year, he had 54 knockdowns.

Chris Williams allowed 2 sacks over his entire college career. He allowed 1 sack this year and had 102 knockdowns.

I know what I think is more dominant.


But go back to tape. Look at whos more physical. Albert by a long shot (over Williams). Virginia ran a simaliar sysytem to what we run this past season. They pulled alot, set alot of screens and used the zone blocking system.

Vanderbilt didnt do a whole lot of that. Albert is better in space than Williams. Albert finishes blocks on pulls and screens. We use alot of screens so Albert would be a asset.

2 games at OT is exprience weather or not you believe it. Elvis Dumervil played DT in a few games at Louisville. Even though he doesnt play that position Denevr still had tape of him playing DT.

Also watch the way Williams and Albert play. Albert is physical. Williams isnt. Up until the fight in the senior Bowl practices Williams was thought of as a technique player not a physical player. Willimas lacks the nasty disposition to finish blocks with power.

We can go on and on about this but you like Williams, I like Albert.

[japfaff]

No way can Harris play LT. Arms are to short. I actually like the Idea of him at the RT. Pears is a dog. He played ok in his rookie year, but last year he was worse than terrible. Even if he was #2 on the depth chart for both tackle spots it would make me nervious.
As for Williams....not going to happen. We would go with Otah. Williams is a pass Blocker, while Otah is more of a mauling Run Blocker.
What we do is we hope and pray that Clady drops to the 12th spot and take him. I think he is the only LT prospect that works for us. Knows the zone scheme, he would be a starter from day one for us

[gyldenlove]

We can go on and on about this but you like Williams, I like Albert.

Good point!

[hilife]

I was rummaging through some old draft books I have and from looking through last year's collection I read some interesting stuff on Ryan Harris!

Sporting News: "Can be as mobile as any Tackle in the NFL when he plays with his knees bent. Has the quickness and athleticism to gain the perimeter in a flash. Slides easily out to corners and cuts off explosive pass rushers. Can be dominate when pass blocking with his leverage and agressive hands. Does a solid initial job on positional blocks and blocks well in the open field. Pulls and get's outside easily to lead blocks. Is strong enough to dominate but doesn't do it often."

Bottom Line: "Harris is a first round athlete but probably won't be a first round pick. He lacks competitive fire, a problem that seldom improves with coaching. If someone finds the switch he will become a dominant Left Tackle."

PFW: "Harris has all the tools and will be a starter in the NFL. Somewhat of an enigma who plays when he wants to. Superb at pass blocking and strong enough to hold up in the run game. Sometimes plays upright and can be blown off the ball but when he's on his game he can make a team's best pass rusher insignificant.

Our Take: "Harris has the talent and must be groomed in the right system. Attitude is a concern but good coaching can change that. While Joe Thomas is firmly entrenched as the number one tackle, Harris could push Levi Brown as the number two if he works out well. He will be a late first round pick and will need some time. In 2 to 3 years he should become a solid Left Tackle for someone."

Interesting, everyone in here is lobbying for a Tackle in round 1 but I think Shanahan feels he has his LT in place. If you look at the Tackles we could take in round 1; Ryan Clady (projects as a LT), Chris Williams (projects as a LT) and not that he would get to us but Jake Long projects as a LT.

I have been back and forth with this issue but Shanahan has stated that he likes his young tackles, so it is what it is. Shouldn't we give this guy a chance before we replace him, I think Shanny will and he will not take a Tackle in round 1!

I do feel however that the Broncos will look for a possible RT later in the draft. If Sam Baker or Gosder Cherilus are there in round 2 that would be perfect, but unlikely. The most likely scenario will be us taking a Tackle or 2 on Day 2, guys like Oniel Cousins, Kirk Barton, and King Dunlap come to mind.

Bottom line: Shanahan has something up his sleeve for that 1st round pick, and it has nothing to do with OT. For better or worse Harris will be protecting Jay's blind side, so learn to live with it!!! :coffee:

You can also draft anyone of them and make them a RT. I personal think they would be a big improvement over Eric Pears at RT. Pears played ok but I believe he needed alot of help from the TE. He would be better served as a LT/RT backup.

[stnzed]

I couldn't help but notice that you've chosen to omit nearly every single negative word about him......way to be objective:

Scouts Inc (Both Positives AND Negatives):


Strengths: An experienced, battle-tested offensive lineman. Has developed into an extremely efficient offensive tackle at the highest collegiate level. Shows very good initial quickness and does a fine job with his first step and blocking angles. Technically sound lineman with good footwork and hand-placement. Rarely is out of position and does a good job of using leverage and angles to complete assignments as a run blocker. Possesses adequate upper-body power. Does a good job of cutting defenders when asked to and he also does a fine job of hitting the moving target in space. He is asked to pull more often than most OT's, and he shows very good quickness and mobility in that regard. He has long arms and big hands. Shows a quick set in pass pro. Is agile enough to mirror-and-slide with more athletic pass rushers. Rarely gets beat around the corner by pure speed.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size and dipped down under 280 pounds during his senior season. Possesses adequate but not good height for a left tackle prospect, and he must increase his bulk and prove he can maintain it moving forward. He lacks a wide base and does not show the consistent ability to anchor versus more powerful bull rushers. He doesn't play with a mean streak and he seems to be too much of a "finesse" blocker. He comes up short in terms of his ability to uproot defenders and drive them off the line of scrimmage as a run blocker. He also will leave his feet occasionally when he doesn't need to.

Overall: Harris received eight starts at right tackle during his true freshman season in 2003 and also saw extensive action on special teams. In 2004, he started at left tackle for all 12 of Notre Dames contests but still contributed on special teams. Harris once again started every game (12) for the Fighting Irish in 2005 at left tackle giving him 31 consecutive starts leading up to his senior season in 2006. Harris started in all 13 games at left tackle in 2006, giving him 44 consecutive starts to end his career.

Harris has great experience at the highest level as a three and a half year starter. He also is a fine athlete for the position. However, Harris lacks ideal size and strength. Even more concerning to us is that he seems to lack a certain degree of toughness that it takes to succeed as a starting offensive tackle in the NFL. As such, we think Harris is a bit of an overrated prospect and would not recommend selecting him before the third round.

[kona bronco]

I stil say we drop down get Alberts and a second, with that second get Baker. then with our second get either Rubin or Sims.:dance:

[KWHIT97]

I couldn't help but notice that you've chosen to omit nearly every single negative word about him......way to be objective:

Scouts Inc (Both Positives AND Negatives):


Strengths: An experienced, battle-tested offensive lineman. Has developed into an extremely efficient offensive tackle at the highest collegiate level. Shows very good initial quickness and does a fine job with his first step and blocking angles. Technically sound lineman with good footwork and hand-placement. Rarely is out of position and does a good job of using leverage and angles to complete assignments as a run blocker. Possesses adequate upper-body power. Does a good job of cutting defenders when asked to and he also does a fine job of hitting the moving target in space. He is asked to pull more often than most OT's, and he shows very good quickness and mobility in that regard. He has long arms and big hands. Shows a quick set in pass pro. Is agile enough to mirror-and-slide with more athletic pass rushers. Rarely gets beat around the corner by pure speed.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal size and dipped down under 280 pounds during his senior season. Possesses adequate but not good height for a left tackle prospect, and he must increase his bulk and prove he can maintain it moving forward. He lacks a wide base and does not show the consistent ability to anchor versus more powerful bull rushers. He doesn't play with a mean streak and he seems to be too much of a "finesse" blocker. He comes up short in terms of his ability to uproot defenders and drive them off the line of scrimmage as a run blocker. He also will leave his feet occasionally when he doesn't need to.

Overall: Harris received eight starts at right tackle during his true freshman season in 2003 and also saw extensive action on special teams. In 2004, he started at left tackle for all 12 of Notre Dames contests but still contributed on special teams. Harris once again started every game (12) for the Fighting Irish in 2005 at left tackle giving him 31 consecutive starts leading up to his senior season in 2006. Harris started in all 13 games at left tackle in 2006, giving him 44 consecutive starts to end his career.

Harris has great experience at the highest level as a three and a half year starter. He also is a fine athlete for the position. However, Harris lacks ideal size and strength. Even more concerning to us is that he seems to lack a certain degree of toughness that it takes to succeed as a starting offensive tackle in the NFL. As such, we think Harris is a bit of an overrated prospect and would not recommend selecting him before the third round.

Why look at the negatives, from what I've read he has all the potential in the world and could be our Franchise LT. Every player has negatives, if you look up Chris Williams you find plenty of negative stuff, yet everyone is in love with him because he played like 1 year with Jay Cutler well I've got news for you, Shanahan is commited to Harris and wants him to win the LT spot, Williams is not and never will be an option in round 1!

The only tackle we may take in round is Ryan Clady, but he will not make it past Baltimore at 8 so an OT in round 1 is not in the cards, the sooner all of you face that, the better off you'll be!!!

[japfaff]

Even if Nalen were to retire and Hamilton slides to takeover at center, we have Kuper to start at LG. I also don't think we lose Myers to Houston, because he is more valuable to us than to them (depending on how bad Hamilton's condition is). Interior OL is not as big a need as OT is.

Definatly....We look ok at center with myers, and LG with Kuper. I see Haris as a RT. I think that his arms are a little to short for LT. That makes Clady our best bet at 12. I like williams but he is from a passing offense, not a lot of run blocking experience. Guards are easy to find. anyone who picks a OG high in the first round is nuts. Besides the talent in this guard class is the weakest in a few years

[utebroncofan]

Thats why I believe we go OG with Albert in the first to help protect Jay. When we do go OT I like Kirk Barton in the 4th because he projects best at RT and could challenge to start if Pears doesnt play well.

Thats just my:2cents:

There is no way a NFL team would take a OG in the top 15 anymore.With the salary cap its to expensive to pay 1st rnd money to a OG that high OT maybe but not OG.

[stnzed]

Why look at the negatives, from what I've read he has all the potential in the world and could be our Franchise LT. Every player has negatives, if you look up Chris Williams you find plenty of negative stuff, yet everyone is in love with him because he played like 1 year with Jay Cutler well I've got news for you, Shanahan is commited to Harris and wants him to win the LT spot, Williams is not and never will be an option in round 1!

The only tackle we may take in round is Ryan Clady, but he will not make it past Baltimore at 8 so an OT in round 1 is not in the cards, the sooner all of you face that, the better off you'll be!!!


Typical.

The player you're describing does not last til the 3rd round......

[stnzed]

But go back to tape. Look at whos more physical. Albert by a long shot (over Williams). Virginia ran a simaliar sysytem to what we run this past season. They pulled alot, set alot of screens and used the zone blocking system.

Vanderbilt didnt do a whole lot of that. Albert is better in space than Williams. Albert finishes blocks on pulls and screens. We use alot of screens so Albert would be a asset.

2 games at OT is exprience weather or not you believe it. Elvis Dumervil played DT in a few games at Louisville. Even though he doesnt play that position Denevr still had tape of him playing DT.

Also watch the way Williams and Albert play. Albert is physical. Williams isnt. Up until the fight in the senior Bowl practices Williams was thought of as a technique player not a physical player. Willimas lacks the nasty disposition to finish blocks with power.

We can go on and on about this but you like Williams, I like Albert.

The Broncos drafting Branden Albert is too good to be true, a far more likely Guard "Prospect" for Shanahan would be somebody like Donald Thomas in the 6th round......

[SmokeBassett]

Of course, very few guards struggle with speed rushers because most DT's are not that fast and can't run around you because then they run into the C or T.

2 games in College doesn't count as experience at OT.

He is about 1 inch higher than the average OT in the draft, that is not much. Walter Jones is 6'5, Joe Thomas is 6'6 so you can be a very good OT at that height.

Albert allowed 5.5 sacks and was penalized twice this year, he had 54 knockdowns.

Chris Williams allowed 2 sacks over his entire college career. He allowed 1 sack this year and had 102 knockdowns.

I know what I think is more dominant.


Those stats are suspect.

First of all, where do they get "sacks allowed" and "knockdowns"? Those are not official NCAA statistics.

Secondly, the Vanderbilt Commodores were primarily a rushing team last season. They ranked 59th in rushing offense and 107th in passing offense. They attempted only 355 passes, and ran the ball 481 times. In comparison, every one of the top 35 offensive teams passed the ball between 400 and 700 times. Obviously, one reason Vanderbilt did not have many sacks was that they did not pass very much.

Vanderbilt was 2-6 in the SEC, and not a very good offensive team: 59th in rushing offense; 107th in passing offense; 103rd in total offense; 93rd in scoring offense. They were 24th in sacks allowed, but that has to be considered in light of how few passes they attempted. As for Williams' run blocking, Vanderbilt ranked 81st in tackles-for-loss allowed, meaning they allowed a lot of tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

I don't know who Williams was knocking down, but maybe it wasn't the right people.