Jack-o-Mock Draft (with our current picks)

[Jack-o-Lantern]

In a perfect world this would be my ideal draft.......:beer:

1) Chris Williams - OT

2) Trevor Laws - DT

4) Owen Schmitt - FB

4) Beau Bell - ILB

5) Arman Shields - WR

5) Frank Okam - DT

6) Taylor Mehlhaff - K

7) Mike Dragosavich - P

7) Husain Abdullah - FS

FA) Piotr Czech - K

What do you think?

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It's what I serve in a mock draft.

[japfaff]

In a perfect world this would be my ideal draft.......:beer:

1) Chris Williams - OT

2) Trevor Laws - DT

4) Owen Schmitt - FB

4) Beau Bell - ILB

5) Arman Shields - WR

5) Frank Okam - DT

6) Taylor Mehlhaff - K

7) Mike Dragosavich - P

7) Husain Abdullah - FS

FA) Piotr Czech - K

What do you think?

http://www.nccattle.com/Beef%20Check%20color2.jpg
It's what I serve in a mock draft.

I like it a lot...my only change would be take Clady with the #12 pick

[garzjoe]

In a perfect world this would be my ideal draft.......:beer:

1) Chris Williams - OT

2) Trevor Laws - DT

4) Owen Schmitt - FB

4) Beau Bell - ILB

5) Arman Shields - WR

5) Frank Okam - DT

6) Taylor Mehlhaff - K

7) Mike Dragosavich - P

7) Husain Abdullah - FS

FA) Piotr Czech - K

What do you think?

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It's what I serve in a mock draft.

Why two rookie kickers?

[Jack-o-Lantern]

One kicker as a free agent just to get some competition going. After all, we need a good replacement with Elam gone and I don't want a washup from another team. I would rather build for our future ...

[KobeChamp24]

do You really think Okam is going to last that long? I would love to have him but i though he was like a 4th rounder.

[Ravage!!!]

I would like Okam to fall that far, but just don't see that happening. Nor do I see Bell falling that far (although)...

Plus.. I have to agree with the above poster.... I don't think we draft two kickers. We can only keep one of them on the final roster. That means if we bring in a vet to compete for the starting job, then you spend two drafts on kickers.. you can STILL only keep the one that wins the starting position. After that, you put them on the practice squad where they could be picked by someone else.

So I personally don't see that happening. Not when we have too many holes to fill. I would like to see more OL in that draft.

**Edit**... you have three kickers. Two kickers and a punter... wow. If we were able to draft this, I wouldn't be 'screaming' mad or anything because it looks like we would have a lot of good players. I mean, Williams, Laws, Bell, Okam alone make it a good draft for us. But I wouldnt' spend three of our picks on ST kickers.

[Flatlander Fan]

One kicker as a free agent just to get some competition going. After all we need a good replacement with Elam gone and I don't want a washup from another team. I would rather build for our future ...

Yeah, I agree with this idea. Don't waste time bringing in an old leg trying to milk out a few more years of NFL $. Bring in someone who wants to prove he is able to make it. At least with a young kicker, some inaccuracy can be excused.

[Sequence]

JOL you the man :salute: you have 2 of my fave players in this draft, Williams and Schmitt, who would be instant O upgrades.:fight:

[Jack-o-Lantern]

As far as kickers go. We need a punter and a field goal specialist. That is why I have 2 in my mock. I then have the other as a free agent just to bring in competition. We need future kickers...I think they are usually looked over, as if any one will do.

As far as Okam and friends falling in the draft, we will just have to see. This is just my idea of a situational best case senario as I see it. All mocks are rediculous if you think about it. There are just too many unknowns. Anyway, enjoy my delusions.:D

[Jack-o-Lantern]

do You really think Okam is going to last that long? I would love to have him but i though he was like a 4th rounder.

Draft scout has him projected in the 5th round:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33733

and Beau Bell is projected in the fourth:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33379

.......so it may be possible. (however that is just in theory from this site)

[berlownacyo7s]

I would love for Beau Bell and Frank Okam to fall that far, but I doubt they will. I like Schmitt. I would rather have Clady and Simms than Williams and Laws, but I really wouldn't mind either way.

If we draft Melhalf, I don't think we need a FA. Sure competition is good, but would it really be a fair match if it's a 6th rounder vs a RFA, especially with Ks?

[Jack-o-Lantern]

the way I see it we are going to get competition in that area if we sign a vet (like Olindo Mare) or sign an extra rookie. So what harm can it do?:confused:

From the sound of things both of these kickers have a lot of upside and just because someone is projected higher doesn't necessarily mean they are the best player for the job.

I would rather get young talent for our future.

[Sequence]

hey JOL another poster made the comment in Help Me Im the GM thread that OS is not just overrated, but "highly overrated" and, as usual, did not offer any reasoning why. Take a look.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I would love for Beau Bell and Frank Okam to fall that far, but I doubt they will. I like Schmitt. I would rather have Clady and Simms than Williams and Laws, but I really wouldn't mind either way.

If we draft Melhalf, I don't think we need a FA. Sure competition is good, but would it really be a fair match if it's a 6th rounder vs a RFA, especially with Ks?

Here is another site projecting Okam as a mid 5th rounder:

"9. Frank Okam (Defensive Tackle, Texas) FAT, came in at 345 lbs and looked it. Was slow and didn't show the burst. Needs to lose 25 plus pounds. It's an absolute shame, so much talent and athleticism but lacks disciple and motor. (Pre Combine Projection: Mid/Late Third Round--Post Combine" Projection: Early/Mid Fifth Round)
http://www.nflsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=499&Itemid=1

:D...and another supporting my 4th rounder on Bell:

"UNLV's Beau Bell is still projected among the top senior linebackers in this year's NFL Draft.

But he would be ranked higher overall if so many junior stars hadn't chosen to skip their senior years for a chance to play on Sundays.

So instead of being a certain second-round pick for the draft on April 26 and 27 in New York, Bell was projected as a third- or fourth-rounder by ESPN draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. in a nationwide conference call" http://www.lvrj.com/sports/15760647.html

So maybe I'm not so crazy after all..:confused:...or am I...:O

Other than that, I already have delt with my rationale for the kickers in another post on this thread.:salute:

[KobeChamp24]

Draft scout has him projected in the 5th round:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33733

and Beau Bell is projected in the fourth:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33379

.......so it may be possible. (however that is just in theory from this site)

Well then I am happy we have two 5th rounders to use one of them on Okam. That guy is a beast.

[berlownacyo7s]

Here is another site projecting Okam as a mid 5th rounder:

"9. Frank Okam (Defensive Tackle, Texas) FAT, came in at 345 lbs and looked it. Was slow and didn't show the burst. Needs to lose 25 plus pounds. It's an absolute shame, so much talent and athleticism but lacks disciple and motor. (Pre Combine Projection: Mid/Late Third Round--Post Combine" Projection: Early/Mid Fifth Round)
http://www.nflsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=499&Itemid=1

:D...and another supporting my 4th rounder on Bell:

"UNLV's Beau Bell is still projected among the top senior linebackers in this year's NFL Draft.

But he would be ranked higher overall if so many junior stars hadn't chosen to skip their senior years for a chance to play on Sundays.

So instead of being a certain second-round pick for the draft on April 26 and 27 in New York, Bell was projected as a third- or fourth-rounder by ESPN draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. in a nationwide conference call" http://www.lvrj.com/sports/15760647.html

So maybe I'm not so crazy after all..:confused:...or am I...:O

Other than that, I already have delt with my rationale for the kickers in another post on this thread.:salute:


Dude, you are way too defensive. Read my post again, I don't call you crazy. You found some sites that say they are 5th/4th round picks respectively, but I bet there are also some sites that have them going sooner. I'm really not trying to throw your mock under the bus, but rather I said "I doubt they'll far that far". I like your mock and, as I said in my first post, I would love for it to happen. However, quality players seem to find themselfs off the board earlier than expected. Remeber last year, Marcus Thomas was I think projected as a 5th/6th because of his behavior, but Denver got him in the 4th. Weird stuff happens on draft day and I still doubt that they'll be available that late.

On the K issure. If you really think that the FA kicker has a good chance of beating out Melhalf then we should use our 6th rounder on someone else.

"just because someone is projected higher doesn't necessarily mean they are the best player for the job."
-This is true for every position except for 2: Kickers and Punters. There really isn't much influence that could change the way they play, if you are better you get ranked higher... there is no down-ranking because of division or anything, Ks and Ps just seem to seperate themselfs out accordingly.

**EDIT** - this is after I re-read your mock.
At the end of the original post you say "What do you think?" - if you are just going to get offended by what other people have to say then don't ask their opinion.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

For people wanting to see more o-line in the draft:

I'm all for the trenches being a priority, but just because we loose a man to the texans and we have some older vets is no reason to freakout on our o-line. Sure, maybe a good pick in this draft would do us good, but we have a lot of young guys that have a year or two of experience under their belts already on our line..


Shouldn't we give our young talent experience and support....

...and you must respect the vets for who they are, they can still contribute for another year or two....

Bottom line; we shouldn't be too quick to attack one area and forget the rest and that is how I tried to build my mock.
*(Keep in mind it is best case senario for players to fall where they do within reason)

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Dude, you are way too defensive. Read my post again, I don't call you crazy. You found some sites that say they are 5th/4th round picks respectively, but I bet there are also some sites that have them going sooner. I'm really not trying to throw your mock under the bus, but rather I said "I doubt they'll far that far". I like your mock and, as I said in my first post, I would love for it to happen. However, quality players seem to find themselfs off the board earlier than expected. Remeber last year, Marcus Thomas was I think projected as a 5th/6th because of his behavior, but Denver got him in the 4th. Weird stuff happens on draft day and I still doubt that they'll be available that late.

On the K issure. If you really think that the FA kicker has a good chance of beating out Melhalf then we should use our 6th rounder on someone else.

"just because someone is projected higher doesn't necessarily mean they are the best player for the job."
-This is true for every position except for 2: Kickers and Punters. There really isn't much influence that could change the way they play, if you are better you get ranked higher... there is no down-ranking because of division or anything, Ks and Ps just seem to seperate themselfs out accordingly.

**EDIT** - this is after I re-read your mock.
At the end of the original post you say "What do you think?" - if you are just going to get offended by what other people have to say then don't ask their opinion.

I'm not offended, just highly opinionated....I also like to say why I post the things I post and would like you to know that I totally respect your opinion...:rockon:


Thanks for contributing.....sometimes I just think to much for my own good...:sad:

I just love this team that's all...:cheers:

P.S. I just my be crazy.

[armchair scout]

i certainly wouldn't complain if it went down like this, but I do have two changes.

I understand your scenario with the kicker, but I would rather draft two wide receivers for the same reason you gave for kickers. That is why I have the kicker that I do in my sig. He doesn't miss and should be good enough without competition.

I would also take a RB instead of a second DT. Trevor Laws may get the job done. We have alot of depth there, we just need a stud. Someone like Dre Moore or Red Bryant could solidify DT with a single pick.

That said, this is the mock I would be happiest with other than my own. Great work!

-AC

[berlownacyo7s]

I'm not offended, just highly opinionated....I also like to say why I post the things I post and would like you to know that I totally respect your opinion...:rockon:


Thanks for contributing.....sometimes I just think to much for my own good...:sad:

I just love this team that's all...:cheers:

P.S. I just my be crazy.

Yeah it's all good. I wish more people on here thought more like you, there are some pretty bad thinkers floating out there.

PS - Thanks for not doing trades in your mock, I hate it when people do that.

[samparnell]

...in fact I like the way you all are thinking because IT DOESN'T INVOLVE DRAFTING DESEAN JACKSON WITH THE FIRST PICK!

[Sequence]

Re DSJ: hear hear!! :rockon:

Any md that includes a FB, either Schmitt or Hillis, is a knowledagble md that understands our deficiencies are not limited to the line or at skill positions, we also have a "smashmouth" need as well:cheers:

[samparnell]

In '07 the Giants drafted Ahmad Bradshaw w/#250. Garcon's combine measurables were impressive (top 5 in each category, I think). His college production was great while playing at D.III dynasty, Mount Union. I agree that he would be worth a 7th, and not just training camp fodder, but worth a real look. He also returns kicks & punts.

[Sequence]

Sam, not only is Pierre Garcon my draft sleeper, you gotta love that name. :D

[BuckNekkid57]

I dig your draft order J.O.L. I agree, we must "steal" my boy "O" @ 100! I have a weird feeling that he may not last that long though. The K.C.-Allen trade with the Vikings gave the "chefs" way too many 3rd round selections and options... Man, it would piss me off if Schmitty went to K.C... :fight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/bash2724/juggerschmitt_951edc1c.gif

[BuckNekkid57]

:thumb: WE GOTTA GET SCHMITTY!!! :thumb:


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[Sequence]

well, I certainly went out on limb didnt I with OS at 42? I wish we had a high third to use on him instead, for he may not be there come the 4th round. Coaches love smart, intense, and versatile players that dont have overinflated views of their self-worth, which describes Schmitty to the word.

hey at least I know my second rounder wont be a project, and will be on the field knocking raider heads, pancaking raider defenders, and bringing his infectious enthusiasm and love for the sport on the MNF opener. We need this guy, and im willing to spend 42 to get him and beat all the other teams to the punch :fight: hey Brian Leonard went in the 2nd last year, so there is precedence.

ultimately, I think he may be better than the very $$$ Daniel Graham.

[TheStoll]

I like this draft expectually taking Owen Schmitt in the fourth, if he is there we have to take him.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Nice Draft. I think that if Bell is not there, Goff is a good alternative

[BuckNekkid57]

It's no coincidence that Owen Schmitt and Beau Bell are both represented by BTI Sports Advisors. They love the "Blue Collar", "Character", athletes! Check out these to links...

http://btisports.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/schmitt-happens/

http://btisports.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/beau-bell-named-mwc-defensive-player-of-the-year/.

The keys words spoken about both of these kids are "Toughness", "Character", "Leadership", "Play Maker", .... The list goes on and on...

I gotta tell you, if the Broncos picked up both of these guys, they will have pulled off nearly impossible task... I really dig the idea of spending #42 on "Big Schmitty"...

My wish is, while sitting in front of the idiot box, enjoying some wings and a few cold one's this weekend... Commish Goodell slowly walks toward the podium, pulls a document from his folder and clears his voice.... "Thank you ladies and gentleman...". "With the 42nd pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, The Denver Broncos select.... West Virgnia University fullback, Owen Schmitt..." The crowd goes WILD!!!!

If I can keep my composure for the first couple of seconds, I will be fine... After that, I will proceed to do "The Running Man", "The Smurf", "The Sprinkler" and finish off with "The Robot"... If I don't have a stroke by that time, I'm going to get a mohawk, go online and order a new authentic Bronco jersey with "Big O's" name on it and then proceed to "party like a rockstar" for the rest of the weekend...

I admit it..... I'm a "Schmitt-Head"...

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm17/BuckNekkid57/TheIronFaceOfToughness.jpg