No Chris Williams today

[hilife]

Among the draft-eligible players visiting the Broncos this week is Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams, who was in Sunday. The college visit period ends Friday.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8914836

Dang it, and I really wanted them to draft Williams. You can find it midway through the article that elevation inc posted on the board. I didn't want to hijack their thread so I started a new one.

[elevation INC]

good stuff i trying to think about sepearting the stories from the post but your idea of a seperate thread is better.:rockon:


i agree chris williams wont be a bronco i think it is a ploy for what we will really do in the 1st and thats get a playmaker.


I actually feel that the broncos may not be interested in a tackle untill after the second rd.



I will say this though while williams has talent i think the majority of his link with denver is that he played with jay at vanderbilt. personally i get tired of the jay played with him at vanderbilt thing.....lol

[LarryDean]

I started to shy away from OT-Chris Williams a few weeks back...

Here is a few reasons why...

After drafting George Foster im scared of the idea of drafting OT in the first.

I want the Broncos to draft the best player they can with the #12 pick..

Who is to say he is going to turn out any better then other OT at later draft values.

He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together..

I want a player that can make immediate impact...I think if we draft him their is a good chance he will not start.

If he is better then Pears,Harris,Kuper its not by much and w/o pro xp I would give them guys the edge

[no-pseudo-fan]

Denver is an enigma. We can go so many ways on Day 1. We can draft OL(Clady, Williams, Albert), we could draft DT(Ellis,cross my fingers, Baulmer), maybe LB(Rivers, Mayo), RB(Mendenhall, Stewart), WR (Thomas,Jackson).

We could hold the key on how the middle of the first is shaped. That is 11 players that could be an option. We might we primed to more down in the draft, and if we play our cards right, we could get a sweet deal.

[LarryDean]

Denver is an enigma. We can go so many ways on Day 1. We can draft OL(Clady, Williams, Albert), we could draft DT(Ellis,cross my fingers, Baulmer), maybe LB(Rivers, Mayo), RB(Mendenhall, Stewart), WR (Thomas,Jackson).

We could hold the key on how the middle of the first is shaped. That is 11 players that could be an option. We might we primed to more down in the draft, and if we play our cards right, we could get a sweet deal.

:goofy: I shall contemplate this on the tree of woe.

[hilife]

The more I hear on Denver the more I think they will draft a WR :mad:. There is talk of trading back and WR is the only thing that I have not heard of them looking out which tells me they will draft a WR in the first :mad:.

Edit: that or he is trading back for a DT but I don't like any of the first round DT expect the top 10 ones.

[no-pseudo-fan]

:goofy: I shall contemplate this on the tree of woe.

I hate to plant the seed, or feed the roots of your tree of woe, but we have no sure idea what the Broncos are thinking for that 1st pick. If we sign Jackson and Parker, I doubt we draft WR on day 1, same with a trade for Robertson at DT. That still leaves us with RB,LB, OL. We have no real glaring need for RB, we very rarely draft OL in the First and we signed 2 LB early in FA. So now what? Or is this a clever ruse to get a team to move up. I know what you know. We can look at need, draft history, and the reports(true or not) that come in from different sources.

You can see this as a positive or a negative. Negative, we have many needs and are not drafting kigh enough to select one of the elite prospects. Positive, we are mobile and can go in many directions, and could just go BPA. Teams picking 13-19 have to worry that Denver just might take the player that they covet.

[LarryDean]

I hate to plant the seed, or feed the roots of your tree of woe, but we have no sure idea what the Broncos are thinking for that 1st pick. If we sign Jackson and Parker, I doubt we draft WR on day 1, same with a trade for Robertson at DT. That still leaves us with RB,LB, OL. We have no real glaring need for RB, we very rarely draft OL in the First and we signed 2 LB early in FA. So now what? Or is this a clever ruse to get a team to move up. I know what you know. We can look at need, draft history, and the reports(true or not) that come in from different sources.

You can see this as a positive or a negative. Negative, we have many needs and are not drafting kigh enough to select one of the elite prospects. Positive, we are mobile and can go in many directions, and could just go BPA. Teams picking 13-19 have to worry that Denver just might take the player that they covet.

No I totally agree with you im as strungout as can be on who will be the first pick...

I like the Avatar that you are using and I thought you would like the Conan quote.

[kratos_godofwar]

I too no longer think that Denver will be looking at any OT seriously in the first 3 rounds unless all of the targeted players are taken. I think by Mike saying that Myers is starter at LT is a smokescreen as is bringing in Williams for a visit. Our real starter may be Harris and Mike is downplaying it so teams will think we need a LT.

I think Mike is looking hard at WR, RB and CB. So don't be surprised if our 1st pick in the draft is Mike Jenkins, Cromartie, or Leodis McKelvin. Which ever one drops to our spot. I expect 2 of them to be picked by the time we pick. All three are also good returners, so CB isn't out of the question. But I think if there is 1 postion Mike would love to upgrade over any other, that would be RB. He's been looking for a stud RB ever since Portis left.

[AC1]

good stuff i trying to think about sepearting the stories from the post but your idea of a seperate thread is better.:rockon:


i agree chris williams wont be a bronco i think it is a ploy for what we will really do in the 1st and thats get a playmaker.


I actually feel that the broncos may not be interested in a tackle untill after the second rd.



I will say this though while williams has talent i think the majority of his link with denver is that he played with jay at vanderbilt. personally i get tired of the jay played with him at vanderbilt thing.....lol

Maybe this year Shanahan pulls the double bluff. He scouts the players he likes, and has everyone thinking "Shanahan scouted this guy, Denver's not going to take him" and then actually goes ahead and takes him. Imagine the surprise when Denver drafts a player that they indicate they like.

As for Chris Williams, I think the fact that he hails from Vanderbilt is a very small bonus and possibly a tie-breaker, that's all. He would be on our radar even if he played for any other school. He is the third-best OT in the draft (some think he is better than Clady), has played against some of the best defensive ends in the SEC, is extremely smart, has a ton of character, and best of all, fits our system very well.

He is also a legitimate BPA at 12, and in fact might very well be taken before we pick (by Baltimore or even KC, ahead of Clady). None of the playmakers, barring Mendenhall deserve to be picked at 12. All the WRs would be reaches, and it would be twice as unwise to pick one at 12 when you consider that the likes of Kelly, Hardy and Doucet will in all probability slide to the second round.

My guess though is that the reason we're waiting on completing the Robertson trade during draft weekend is to see if Ellis or Dorsey fall past the Jets, in which case we will move up and get him. Barring that, I think it's a toss-up between OT and Mendenhall (with the former much more likely).

[Gr3yStreet]

If we don't go for a lineman in the first, I would like to see Jerod Mayo. He is flying up the draft boards, almost to the point of him being worth a 12 pick.

Boss-Mayo-DJ, would be a SOLID linebacker corps, and Mayo would be a huge asset against the run.

[rockrules40]

If we don't go for a lineman in the first, I would like to see Jerod Mayo. He is flying up the draft boards, almost to the point of him being worth a 12 pick.

Boss-Mayo-DJ, would be a SOLID linebacker corps, and Mayo would be a huge asset against the run.

I think #12 is a little high for Mayo, but his stock is soaring. I do think it wouldn't be a bad pick though because I think Mayo will be the best LB in this class.

[pipes]

I too no longer think that Denver will be looking at any OT seriously in the first 3 rounds unless all of the targeted players are taken. I think by Mike saying that Myers is starter at LT is a smokescreen as is bringing in Williams for a visit. Our real starter may be Harris and Mike is downplaying it so teams will think we need a LT.

I think Mike is looking hard at WR, RB and CB. So don't be surprised if our 1st pick in the draft is Mike Jenkins, Cromartie, or Leodis McKelvin. Which ever one drops to our spot. I expect 2 of them to be picked by the time we pick. All three are also good returners, so CB isn't out of the question. But I think if there is 1 postion Mike would love to upgrade over any other, that would be RB. He's been looking for a stud RB ever since Portis left.

I think that you can scratch WR off of the list now, with the info that has been posted today.......Denver close to signing two more veteran WR's.

Obviously they're not 100% yet, but IF they are signed then look for Denver to NOT draft a WR in the first.

Marshall, Stokley, Colbert, Jackson, Parker, Martinez, Shephard.........

I guess my hypothesis would be that Denver would now be happy with their QB, WR, TE, C, DE, CB, S......with possible help needing at RB, OT, DT, K, P, and returner. Linebacker could also be a key position.

Obviously they MAY be happy with their current K and P, and if they are to upgrade or add competition it would logically be with VERY late draft picks, undrafted free agents or unsigned veterans.

That (IMO) would leave 4 or 5 positions left to address in the draft. Who knows maybe that's why they signed Edell Shephard (returner)?! I think if Denver does in fact acquire D-Rob, D-Jax, and Parker, then Shanny has done a beautiful job this offseason especially w/o breaking the bank.

[kratos_godofwar]

I think that you can scratch WR off of the list now, with the info that has been posted today.......Denver close to signing two more veteran WR's.

Obviously they're not 100% yet, but IF they are signed then look for Denver to NOT draft a WR in the first.

Marshall, Stokley, Colbert, Jackson, Parker, Martinez, Shephard.........

I guess my hypothesis would be that Denver would now be happy with their QB, WR, TE, C, DE, CB, S......with possible help needing at RB, OT, DT, K, P, and returner. Linebacker could also be a key position.

Obviously they MAY be happy with their current K and P, and if they are to upgrade or add competition it would logically be with VERY late draft picks, undrafted free agents or unsigned veterans.

That (IMO) would leave 4 or 5 positions left to address in the draft. Who knows maybe that's why they signed Edell Shephard (returner)?! I think if Denver does in fact acquire D-Rob, D-Jax, and Parker, then Shanny has done a beautiful job this offseason especially w/o breaking the bank.

Yes, he would have done a nice job addressing the team. Quitely and cheaply. I forgot that the WR's were being brought in.

[draco193]

I started to shy away from OT-Chris Williams a few weeks back...

Here is a few reasons why...

After drafting George Foster im scared of the idea of drafting OT in the first.

I want the Broncos to draft the best player they can with the #12 pick..

Who is to say he is going to turn out any better then other OT at later draft values.

He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together..

I want a player that can make immediate impact...I think if we draft him their is a good chance he will not start.

If he is better then Pears,Harris,Kuper its not by much and w/o pro xp I would give them guys the edge

I completely disagree. The argument about George Foster is foolish. The picking of him was a mistake, but, it does not make picking an OT a mistake, neccassairly.

The arguments about how do we know if Williams will be better make no sense either. Who is to say Mendenhal or Stewart will be better than Tashard Choice or Matt Forte? They are expected to be, because they have shown more talent. Williams has shown more talent than a majority of OTs in this draft. The draft is based on pedicting the most likely outcome. Many times, these predictions are wrong. Many times, they are correct.

Willimas might not start this year, but, so might not any other pick. We have very little proven talent at OT. Harris was injured for a lot of last year, Pears played poorly at RT, and Kuper has no real experience playing tackle. Bringing in Williams or Clady wuld give more depth, and give us an option if Pears leaves next year during free agency.

I think this pick, if we pick at 12, comes down to either the best available OT (Clady or Williams imho), or the most ltalented running back (Mendenhall or Stewart). If we trade back, I think a LB and DT become possibilities.

[Ian]

Among the draft-eligible players visiting the Broncos this week is Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams, who was in Sunday. The college visit period ends Friday.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8914836


I know what the title says, but Denver has since changed it, Williams was definitely one of the people that visited. I put in Bold the main point in that blurb.

[LarryDean]

I completely disagree. The argument about George Foster is foolish. The picking of him was a mistake, but, it does not make picking an OT a mistake, neccassairly.

The arguments about how do we know if Williams will be better make no sense either. Who is to say Mendenhal or Stewart will be better than Tashard Choice or Matt Forte? They are expected to be, because they have shown more talent. Williams has shown more talent than a majority of OTs in this draft. The draft is based on pedicting the most likely outcome. Many times, these predictions are wrong. Many times, they are correct.

Willimas might not start this year, but, so might not any other pick. We have very little proven talent at OT. Harris was injured for a lot of last year, Pears played poorly at RT, and Kuper has no real experience playing tackle. Bringing in Williams or Clady wuld give more depth, and give us an option if Pears leaves next year during free agency.

I think this pick, if we pick at 12, comes down to either the best available OT (Clady or Williams imho), or the most ltalented running back (Mendenhall or Stewart). If we trade back, I think a LB and DT become possibilities.

All very good points indeed.
First let me point out to you I have no arguments...this is just my opinion...

As foolish Thanks for that BTW as it mite sound...That is some of my reasoning for not thinking the Broncos will draft Williams...

We all have our reasons why we think the Broncos will or wont draft certain players..

Forgive me for taking a lite hearted comical view on why we wont draft Williams.(With a Foster joke)

I think Williams is probably one of the better OT in the years draft yes...

Since I didnt explain myself clearly the first time to satisfy your message boards needs..

That part how do we know if he is better...??

Was meaning even though Williams is rated higher I dont think his talent level is much greater,

Then lets say someone like OT Gosder Cherilus who mite be a Late 1st or 2nd or OL -Sam Baker,OT Kirk Barton in the 3rd.

Im also well aware that Williams himself mite be drafted before the #12.

We can debate that but first you will need tell me have you ever watched more then 2 complete games of Williams in the NCAA ??

Or im I just wasting my time replying to thread from a fan that is following the Norm....

If I broke it down like it was a exact science would it matter no.?

Because you and I neither really know who the Broncos are going to draft..

Now like I said at the top All very good points indeed....

I want you to go back and look at these threads and see if you are telling me something im not all already well aware of..

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=112445 Date 3/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114014 Date 4/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114062
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114079:coffee:

I notice you didnt chime in then to say great 1st round pick HB...

I myself dont think the Broncos will draft Chris Williams I thought that since 4/3 the day I put out the 2nd thread..

I apologize if my 7:00 AM while im working post was not a good enough brakedown on why not..

[broncos1997]

Sorry but i'm confused, if williams visited them, why does that mean we are definatly not drafting him? i thought that was supposed to be a good sign that we will get him. Anyway i wouldn't really mind cause i think OL in college is too different from in nfl. I'd want to get mendenhall and get someone like kirk barton or zuttah in the later rounds.

[stnzed]

I started to shy away from OT-Chris Williams a few weeks back...

Here is a few reasons why...

After drafting George Foster im scared of the idea of drafting OT in the first.

I want the Broncos to draft the best player they can with the #12 pick..

Who is to say he is going to turn out any better then other OT at later draft values.

He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together..

I want a player that can make immediate impact...I think if we draft him their is a good chance he will not start.

If he is better then Pears,Harris,Kuper its not by much and w/o pro xp I would give them guys the edge

Why? What difference does that make?

Who's to say the player you would like is going to turn out any better than a player with later draft values?

This comment: "He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together" pretty much includes every single player in the draft.

And if Williams wasn't much better than Pears/Harris/Kuper he wouldn't be going in the first round to begin with. He is going in the 1st round because he does have more talent.

Btw, Harris has a whopping 11games of pro xp, with a single play on the offensive unit.

Your logic is subjective......

[str8jacket]

I started to shy away from OT-Chris Williams a few weeks back...

Here is a few reasons why...

After drafting George Foster im scared of the idea of drafting OT in the first.

I want the Broncos to draft the best player they can with the #12 pick..

Who is to say he is going to turn out any better then other OT at later draft values.

He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together..

I want a player that can make immediate impact...I think if we draft him their is a good chance he will not start.

If he is better then Pears,Harris,Kuper its not by much and w/o pro xp I would give them guys the edge

If you use that philosophy then no one would get drafted.

[LarryDean]

Why? What difference does that make?

Who's to say the player you would like is going to turn out any better than a player with later draft values?

This comment: "He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together" pretty much includes every single player in the draft.

And if Williams wasn't much better than Pears/Harris/Kuper he wouldn't be going in the first round to begin with. He is going in the 1st round because he does have more talent.

Btw, Harris has a whopping 11games of pro xp, with a single play on the offensive unit.

Your logic is subjective......

You can not tell me about a single player that has been mentioned during this offseason and the draft im sorry.

I was projecting Williams as a first pick B4 many..

So if that is your 2 cents and all the draft insight you have for me then why did you even bother ???

I have posted my thoughts on almost every single mock this season track them back..

Did you not read the part that clearly stated these following things ??

Forgive me for taking a lite hearted comical view on why we wont draft Williams ?

I apologize if my 7:00 AM while im working post was not a good enough brakedown on why not..

I think Williams is probably one of the better OT in the years draft yes...

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=112445 3/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114014 4/3


He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together

Well lets see
1.Jake Long, Michigan
2.Ryan Clady, Boise State
3.Jeff Otah,/Williams
4th.Gosder Cherilus
5th.Duane Brown
6th Kirk Barton, Ohio State
The suck all together means we get George Foster..

I dont think he is better then Long and Clady thats 1 and 2 so now we are at 3 Notice I left that out.
then started with 4,5,6 look at this list now we know Otah is not a option for us but for other teams he is..

Now are you going to sit here and tell me that you know so much about Chris Williams that he is better then any of these players ??

Looking at the draft subjectively and your point is ??

Lets see some of them insightful draft day threads that you have put out before you want to flame on me for what I wrote...

What difference does make what reason why I think the Broncos will not draft Williams.If they dont they dont if they do they do..

If had to guess you fit into this category

We can debate that but first you will need tell me have you ever watched more then 2 complete games of Williams in the NCAA ??

Or im I just wasting my time replying to thread from a fan that is following the Norm....

[hilife]

I know what the title says, but Denver has since changed it, Williams was definitely one of the people that visited. I put in Bold the main point in that blurb.

I think you miss understood. When I said "no Chris Williams today" I meant we are not going to draft him BECAUSE we brought him in for a visit. It's always been against Shanahan's policy to bring in anyone that he might want to draft. Ex. DJ Williams, Jay Cutler, Jarvis Moss all stated that they had no idea Denver was going to draft them because they NEVER once spoke to them. I'm not sure about the other first rounders but I know those for sure didn't.

[draco193]

As foolish Thanks for that BTW as it mite sound...That is some of my reasoning for not thinking the Broncos will draft Williams...

We all have our reasons why we think the Broncos will or wont draft certain players..

Forgive me for taking a lite hearted comical view on why we wont draft Williams.(With a Foster joke)


Sorry, I ddnt get it was a joke. There are people on here that actually believe that to be a valid reason.


That part how do we know if he is better...??

Was meaning even though Williams is rated higher I dont think his talent level is much greater,

Then lets say someone like OT Gosder Cherilus who mite be a Late 1st or 2nd or OL -Sam Baker,OT Kirk Barton in the 3rd.


Hes rated higher becaue he has shown more talent at the college level. He has had better workouts. Your opinion is that he isnt as talented. This is contrary to a majority of analysts.


Im also well aware that Williams himself mite be drafted before the #12.

We can debate that but first you will need tell me have you ever watched more then 2 complete games of Williams in the NCAA ??

Or im I just wasting my time replying to thread from a fan that is following the Norm....


I did not have the pleasure of seeing him play in actual game play. I live in Colorado, and dont have the money to pay for extra games. However, I have just about every draft article I can find, and I read these boards often. Not an expert, but, I do know a thing or two.


I want you to go back and look at these threads and see if you are telling me something im not all already well aware of..

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=112445 Date 3/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114014 Date 4/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114062
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114079:coffee:

I notice you didnt chime in then to say great 1st round pick HB...


I dont get that comment. But, you do create some quality mocks.


I myself dont think the Broncos will draft Chris Williams I thought that since 4/3 the day I put out the 2nd thread..

Thats fine, I jut didnt agree with your opinions, and how you articulated them. That was all my post was about.

[stnzed]

You can not tell me about a single player that has been mentioned during this offseason and the draft im sorry.

I was projecting Williams as a first pick B4 many..

So if that is your 2 cents and all the draft insight you have for me then why did you even bother ???

I have posted my thoughts on almost every single mock this season track them back..

Did you not read the part that clearly stated these following things ??

Forgive me for taking a lite hearted comical view on why we wont draft Williams ?

I apologize if my 7:00 AM while im working post was not a good enough brakedown on why not..

I think Williams is probably one of the better OT in the years draft yes...

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=112445 3/3
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=114014 4/3


He could be the best or he could be the 4th,5th,6th or just suck all together

Well lets see
1.Jake Long, Michigan
2.Ryan Clady, Boise State
3.Jeff Otah,/Williams
4th.Gosder Cherilus
5th.Duane Brown
6th Kirk Barton, Ohio State
The suck all together means we get George Foster..

I dont think he is better then Long and Clady thats 1 and 2 so now we are at 3 Notice I left that out.
then started with 4,5,6 look at this list now we know Otah is not a option for us but for other teams he is..

Now are you going to sit here and tell me that you know so much about Chris Williams that he is better then any of these players ??

Looking at the draft subjectively and your point is ??

Lets see some of them insightful draft day threads that you have put out before you want to flame on me for what I wrote...

What difference does make what reason why I think the Broncos will not draft Williams.If they dont they dont if they do they do..

If had to guess you fit into this category

We can debate that but first you will need tell me have you ever watched more then 2 complete games of Williams in the NCAA ??

Or im I just wasting my time replying to thread from a fan that is following the Norm....

No! I thought I'd sit at my computer and make up ambiguous, mindless and thoughtless reasons for not drafting a player that I don't want, that is if you don't mind the competition.

To be honest with you, I've never seen Chris Williams play, not once, not one single play......Now tell me why that matters, why should that have anything to do with questioning the logic in not drafting Williams because Shanahan screwed the pooch by drafting Foster?

I'm not questioning your Mel Kiper skillz there, sweetheart, I asked you a few simple questions.....What TF does George Foster have to do with Chris Williams? How is "He could be Great, He could be Good, He could be a Bust" supposed to be an actual, fully formed opinion on whether or not to draft a certain player? What makes HumpKiper think that some "later round value" scrub has a chance of being the player Williams can be?

Before you get your panties in a bunch, maybe you should sleep on it Princess, and when you decide to respond, try making sense......

[LarryDean]

First let me say thanks for replying back in decent manner.I have no problem with any of the opinions that you have to offer...

Sorry, I ddnt get it was a joke. There are people on here that actually believe that to be a valid reason.

No I dont think that is valid reason on why or why not draft a player.Again everyone has their reasons.Some way more vaild then others.However if this is the case why be so suprised that I would make that comment..Even though I say that all in good fun and I dont truely believe that...I wish I could say Williams,Clady was the next Joe Thomas but I really dont know that.All I can do is pray that if draft either one they dont turn out like Big George.


Hes rated higher becaue he has shown more talent at the college level. He has had better workouts. Your opinion is that he isnt as talented. This is contrary to a majority of analysts.

Im not saying his not talented.Im well aware of where he is projected in about 30 different mocks.I have been following him since before the end of season.When we had no idea what all the player values would be.I can show atleast 20+ post where I say I think that he is one.I can also show some of my post where I start to decline from the idea of drafting him..None of which has anything to do with his overall talent level..I see nothing wrong with a fan hoping that Pears and Kuper and Harris can be starters.Im not as down on the Broncos Oline as alot of fans on here.At no time I have I said the Broncos do not need to draft OLine this year.I do question what round the Broncos can look at drafting Oline however...Nothing wrong with that at all..


I did not have the pleasure of seeing him play in actual game play. I live in Colorado, and dont have the money to pay for extra games. However, I have just about every draft article I can find, and I read these boards often. Not an expert, but, I do know a thing or two

Fair enough I can believe that.I will take your word that you know your stuff and have done the research and are not just some fan following the Norm...I apologize

Again if you look back at some my post on others mocks.You will see I dont ever downgrade Broncos Fans about who they think we will draft.I try to encourage all to get involed in the draft process..I think it is fun and their is no need for negativity at all.


I dont get that comment. But, you do create some quality mocks.

THANKS !!! What I meant by that I was projecting Williams as a draft pick since 3/3 I didnt wake up on 3/2 and say I think Williams is the one.I had been eyeing him since before the end of the season.First I thought Kenny Phillips well I was wrong.Then I switched to Williams.I deleted my first Kenny Phillips mock because of others negativity.Im not saying I was the first to project Williams as our pick.I did put my nose out there before many though supporting him as the 1st pick.


Thats fine, I jut didnt agree with your opinions, and how you articulated them. That was all my post was about.

Well put and I understand.

Im cool with a little healthy debate about players..
I dont think the Broncos will draft Williams now.I did for somethime though and thats because I like the guy and the idea of pick.If I say the Broncos will not draft him that is all..I think the 3,4,5 or just suck at all comment was took out of context from what I really meant.I think I did ok in my following post trying to explain what I meant.It reminds me of last year where we mite be taking the 3rd or 4th best player at that position.I dont like the idea of that at all with the 12th pick.Way to much offensive talent in this draft to be doing that.Im not someone that just came on here and said no to Williams.Even if I was my opinion is as valid as the rest..

Thanks Draco193 for a decent reply back to a topic that me and you as Broncos fans mite not see eye to on.You keeped it cool and shared your opinions with me.Making it worth my while and giving me some enjoyment in replying to you back...

Unlike Stnzed comments for me on the topic which really deserve no reply at all...

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I dont think we will draft chris williams regardless of any stories or what anyone heard. unless we trade up with buffalo we will not get williams, philly will trade lito sheppard and their 19th pick to buffalo for their 11th pick. and philly will seelct ryan clady or chris williams at that pick. chris williams being their primary.


i wont divulge my source but the guy was the first 1 to drop the asante samuel trade before anyone even had a clue......so......we shall see


so in end it doesnt matter because we wont get williams:D

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I dont think we will draft chris williams regardless of any stories or what anyone heard. unless we trade up with buffalo we will not get williams, philly will trade lito sheppard and their 19th pick to buffalo for their 11th pick. and philly will seelct ryan clady or chris williams at that pick. chris williams being their primary.


i wont divulge my source but the guy was the first 1 to drop the asante samuel trade before anyone even had a clue......so......we shall see


so in end it doesnt matter because we wont get williams:D

Teams are scared they are going to miss their guy when Denver picks at 12. We can trade down, we can take RB,OL,LB,maybe even CB or DE. We can hold some team hostage. By putting it out there that we are looking to trade down, it gives us flexiblity. Teams are going to be afraid that a team will trade up with us to get someone. I see Denver being a player in this years draft. We either trade down a couple, or we are going to take BPA.