Ron Brace > BJ Raji

[broncofansd]

In terms of value for our Draft , I believe that trading down to select Ron Brace is a much better idea than trading up to get BJ Raji.

Scenario - Ron Brace

Denver trades it's 1st Round Pick(1200 Points) to Philadelphia for it's 1st Round Pick(21st(800 points) + 2nd Round Pick(370 points) and it's 5th Round Pick(31 points)


My reasoning for the trade is Philadephia's 2 Starting Tackles - Jon Runyon(35 years old who just had surgery) and Tra Thomas is a Free Agent. Philadelphia also has 2 1st Round Picks so drafting a Tackle will be very important to them.


Denver then drafts Ron Brace NT 6'3" 329lbs
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2007-11/33624708.jpg



or Scenario #2 - BJ Raji


The Broncos will most likely have to trade it's 1st and 3rd Round Pick to Jacksonville for it's 8th Pick in the NFL Draft.


BJ Raji----6'2" 334lbs NT
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BJ Raji's numbers 42 Tackles , 16 tackles for loss , 8 Sacks.

Ron Brace's numbers 54 Tackles , 18.5 tackles for loss , 5.5 Sacks.

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This is why is see Ron Brace > BJ Raji

[getlynched47]

:incomplete:

I wonder why Raji is considered a top pick in the draft BY EXPERTS while Brace is considered a late 1st to mid 2nd round pick?

FAIL......

[BroncosNL]

Philly will never trade their 1st, 2nd AND 5th for our first rounder... cant see that happening

[CanadianBroncoFan]

Who would philly target when they moved up? They already have a top defense and a stud RB in westbrooke? the motivation for them to jump up doesnt make sense even if the point value in the picks do.

With the other tackles under contract still, they can find developement projects in the second round, as well as a change of pace back in the second and third rounds.

It makes alot more sense for philly to trade OUT of the first round to pick up more second and third rounders

[Bronkster]

I mean that would be sweet if it happened. But why do you keep doing these things? You offer a new elaborate trade scenario like every hour it seems like. Just chill.

[broncofansd]

BJ is more explosive but at DT but for Denver the NT position it isn't as much a penetrating position.


Ron Brace + extra 2nd and 5th Round Pick would be AMAZING!!!!!!

[broncofansd]

If you don't like my posts , just don't read them!!!!


It is very easy my fellow Bronco fan.

Also there was ATLEAST 5 1st Round Draft Trades last year. So for us to trade down is entirely possible.

I hate people who say things can't happen when they do all the time.

Heck in the past 3 years we have traded 2 times in the 1st Round. Once for Jay Cutler and for Jarvis Moss


I just think this would be the best case scenario.

[SDSU#1]

I can't see the 1st, 2nd, and 5th either. What I can see is a first, second, and a 6th next year or something like that. I think we might have to give up at least 2 picks in order to trade down.

Maybe something like this:

Denver Gets:
1.)#21 -> 800
2.)#53 -> 370
6.)#181 -> 19 ('09 or '10)
total: 1189
Philly Gets:
1.)#12 -> 1200
5.)#141 -> 35.5
total:1235.5

This trade works for philly and us better than yours did, not that yours was so far off.

[broncofansd]

SDSU!!! When Philly wants to trade up they typically pay more than the Draft value chart.

Like when we got raped with Jacksonville to get Jarvis Moss.

My scenario is much more likely.

What do you think of getting Ron Brace at NT?????

Also I live in San Diego!!! I have met Terrell Davis here a couple of times. He bought his BMW from my store.

[Cutler4tw]

:incomplete:

I wonder why Raji is considered a top pick in the draft BY EXPERTS while Brace is considered a late 1st to mid 2nd round pick?

FAIL......

just like alot of experts said Vernon Gholston was a beast and he faild Bj Raji will be a FAIL Brace will be waaay better wright it down

[getlynched47]

just like alot of experts said Vernon Gholston was a beast and he faild Bj Raji will be a FAIL Brace will be waaay better wright it down

*write :coffee:

[getlynched47]

If you don't like my posts , just don't read them!!!!


It is very easy my fellow Bronco fan.

Also there was ATLEAST 5 1st Round Draft Trades last year. So for us to trade down is entirely possible.

I hate people who say things can't happen when they do all the time.

Heck in the past 3 years we have traded 2 times in the 1st Round. Once for Jay Cutler and for Jarvis Moss


I just think this would be the best case scenario.

well stop posting so many damn threads! damn....people used to complain about my thread-making habits.......but u definitly take the cake :incomplete:

[humphrey26]

i will say this. recent history has shown that when 2 good d-linemen come out the same year, one turns into a bust (the first to come to mind is Peppers and Sims from UNC). so id like to stay away from both Raji and Brace to be honest. we dont know who made who better. plus they are both shorter than you would like for a NT. we should just wait till next years draft and get "Mount" Cody from Bama. 6-5 350 would be a great NT. we should sign a veteran NT who has played in the 3-4 for a while, someone we can have on the roster for 3 years. then draft D. Scott from Clemson this year in a later round to learn and then Cody next year who is already playing NT in a 3-4 at Bama and we will be set for years.

now as far as the DE/OLB. if we had been running the 3-4 for a few years i could see taking one of those hyprid DE's from college but the whole team is going to be learning a new system no need to complicate it with a dumb rookie trying to learn a new position when no one on the team knows the position either.

1st Rd. Maualuga-ILB-USC (nice fit next to DJ on the inside)
2nd Rd. Sintim-OLB-UVA or Kruger-DE/OLB-Utah (one of them will fall)
(Kruger went to Utah so he is far from dumb like some other DE/OLBs)
3rd Rd. Jarron Gilbert-DE-San Jose St. (i hope he is still there 3rd Rd)
4th Rd. J. Byrd-CB/FS-Ore.

2009 Broncos defense

LE (usually big DEs) Peterson, Gilbert, Crowder fight it out
NT (6-4 plus 330 plus) FA, D. Scott
RE (usually a converted quick DT) M.Thomas
LOLB Sintim or Kruger
ILB Maualuga
ILB DJ
ROLB Doom, Moss, Boss see who works out the best
CB Champ
CB J. Bell (yea i think he will be starting, ouch)
FS J. Sanders-New England or J. Byrd
SS Woodyard or Barrett


p.s. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE DONT DRAFT CHRIS WELLS. big 10 RBs dont have a good track record and he cant stay healthy. not what we need. later round SEC RB's are better, TD, O. Gary have worked for us.

[mopatt24]

We wouldn't have to trade anything and this is also the way I hope the first two rounds go. Stay at 12 and pick Rey Maualuga, then with 48 take Ron Brace. Good value and solid picks IMO

[broncos SB2010]

i will say this. recent history has shown that when 2 good d-linemen come out the same year, one turns into a bust (the first to come to mind is Peppers and Sims from UNC). so id like to stay away from both Raji and Brace to be honest. we dont know who made who better. plus they are both shorter than you would like for a NT. we should just wait till next years draft and get "Mount" Cody from Bama. 6-5 350 would be a great NT. we should sign a veteran NT who has played in the 3-4 for a while, someone we can have on the roster for 3 years. then draft D. Scott from Clemson this year in a later round to learn and then Cody next year who is already playing NT in a 3-4 at Bama and we will be set for years.

now as far as the DE/OLB. if we had been running the 3-4 for a few years i could see taking one of those hyprid DE's from college but the whole team is going to be learning a new system no need to complicate it with a dumb rookie trying to learn a new position when no one on the team knows the position either.

1st Rd. Maualuga-ILB-USC (nice fit next to DJ on the inside)
2nd Rd. Sintim-OLB-UVA or Kruger-DE/OLB-Utah (one of them will fall)
(Kruger went to Utah so he is far from dumb like some other DE/OLBs)
3rd Rd. Jarron Gilbert-DE-San Jose St. (i hope he is still there 3rd Rd)
4th Rd. J. Byrd-CB/FS-Ore.

2009 Broncos defense

LE (usually big DEs) Peterson, Gilbert, Crowder fight it out
NT (6-4 plus 330 plus) FA, D. Scott
RE (usually a converted quick DT) M.Thomas
LOLB Sintim or Kruger
ILB Maualuga
ILB DJ
ROLB Doom, Moss, Boss see who works out the best
CB Champ
CB J. Bell (yea i think he will be starting, ouch)
FS J. Sanders-New England or J. Byrd
SS Woodyard or Barrett


p.s. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE DONT DRAFT CHRIS WELLS. big 10 RBs dont have a good track record and he cant stay healthy. not what we need. later round SEC RB's are better, TD, O. Gary have worked for us.

I completely agree with a vet NT and then one in later rounds. gabe watson is my choice if the compensation isn't too high. If not him than Colin Cole, Grady Jackson, or Kenderick Allen. Then draft a NT next year.

[Broncosinindy]

:incomplete:

I wonder why Raji is considered a top pick in the draft BY EXPERTS while Brace is considered a late 1st to mid 2nd round pick?

FAIL......

I think we finally found someone that starts more threads then you.

[Broncosinindy]

If you don't like my posts , just don't read them!!!!


It is very easy my fellow Bronco fan.

Also there was ATLEAST 5 1st Round Draft Trades last year. So for us to trade down is entirely possible.

I hate people who say things can't happen when they do all the time.

Heck in the past 3 years we have traded 2 times in the 1st Round. Once for Jay Cutler and for Jarvis Moss


I just think this would be the best case scenario.
With the "depression" we are going through, Look for teams to ]SAVE their draft picks. This will be intersting going forward. This could get interesting, If players dont get the megabucks. and seats are selling.

[myoung]

Who would philly target when they moved up? They already have a top defense and a stud RB in westbrooke? the motivation for them to jump up doesnt make sense even if the point value in the picks do.

With the other tackles under contract still, they can find developement projects in the second round, as well as a change of pace back in the second and third rounds.

It makes alot more sense for philly to trade OUT of the first round to pick up more second and third rounders

Runyan and Thomas are not under contract. Philly may keep one or both but if they do it will just be for a year or two. Both of them are old and the time is showing on them. Winston Justice is not an option. They need two tackles.

Reid always pays for OL. He drafts them and will move up to get them. Go and view the Philly draft history they move up and down based on needs. I don't see them moving up to get a RB or WR but I definitately could see them picking up a stud tackle. This is exactly the type of thing Philly could do.

I would expect them to sign Stacy Andrews (but we are not sure how quickly he will recover from the injurye) to play next to his brother. I believe they will also draft one OT early in the draft.

[Cutler2007]

Runyan and Thomas are not under contract. Philly may keep one or both but if they do it will just be for a year or two. Both of them are old and the time is showing on them. Winston Justice is not an option. They need two tackles.

Reid always pays for OL. He drafts them and will move up to get them. Go and view the Philly draft history they move up and down based on needs. I don't see them moving up to get a RB or WR but I definitately could see them picking up a stud tackle. This is exactly the type of thing Philly could do.

I would expect them to sign Stacy Andrews (but we are not sure how quickly he will recover from the injurye) to play next to his brother. I believe they will also draft one OT early in the draft.

I have seen Philly as a team that could trade up for a while.

As for trading up for Raji...No. He has a chance to be a great 4-3 DT, but as a NT, he has a much lower grade IMO. I rank him top 5 if he goes to a 4-3 team, but he drops to around 20th best prospect as a NT.

We do not have enough talent on defense to be giving away any picks in the first 5 rounds, we need more of those not less.

[Cugel]

Runyan and Thomas are not under contract. Philly may keep one or both but if they do it will just be for a year or two. Both of them are old and the time is showing on them. Winston Justice is not an option. They need two tackles.

Reid always pays for OL. He drafts them and will move up to get them. Go and view the Philly draft history they move up and down based on needs. I don't see them moving up to get a RB or WR but I definitately could see them picking up a stud tackle. This is exactly the type of thing Philly could do.

I would expect them to sign Stacy Andrews (but we are not sure how quickly he will recover from the injurye) to play next to his brother. I believe they will also draft one OT early in the draft.

Well, that's a probelm isn't it? The Broncos pick at #12, but 4 OTs are expected to go in the top 10. Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Andre Smith and Jason Smith. SO, Philly would have to trade up into the top 10 to get one of them. They probably couldn't trade with the Broncos and expect to get a LT.

Otherwise they could just sit tight and wait and see which OT fell to them, which is what I think they'll do. :coffee:

[IgorBStrange]

I think Brace will be a far better choice than Raji in the long run. Raji reminds me too much of Shaun Rogers and Haynesworth pre-FA. Big, inconsistent and a total meh. Teamed with Brace he looks awesome, but who made who look better?

I'm still all for grabbing Sammie Hill in the 4th or 5th round also. I really think he'll be a true stud here.

[dragster69]

I mean that would be sweet if it happened. But why do you keep doing these things? You offer a new elaborate trade scenario like every hour it seems like. Just chill.

That's the fantasy football mentality around here....
For one thing we're sitting pretty at #12. There's a lot of great prospects that will available to us when our turn comes around...
BJ Raji unless picked by us or Jax, he may end up being a late 1st round pick or early 2nd