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MarshallMoss
03-12-2009, 08:18 PM
Any excuse to break away from the Cutler soap opera...here is an interesting scouting report on Wesley from last year...many are calling for Rey to be drafted at 12 for us...I think between Larsen and Wesley I feel we have a couple of high octane hungry players ready to lay down some lumber!
Oohh and are great tacklers as well...
http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2008wwoodyard.php
Wesley Woodyard's Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
Strengths: Is always making plays and always around the football…A great tackler who plays bigger than his frame indicates …Can probably add 15-20 more pounds of muscle in the next few years…Has long arms… A true leader who pumps up his defense…Loves the game and is one of those prospects you label as a “true football player”…Will probably be a good special teamer in the NFL…Has four years of starting experience in the toughest conference in football…Second in the SEC in 2006 with 122 tackles.
Weaknesses: Doesn’t have great coverage skills…Needs to fill out his frame and bulk up if he wants to play linebacker at the NFL…...Has the instincts all great linebackers have but does he have the physical tools?...A late-round prospect.
Notes: If you watch Kentucky football you keep hearing “Woodyard” because he makes so many plays in the box on defense…Was a projected safety coming into college but former defensive coordinator Mike Archer moved him to weak-side linebacker and has thrived since…Can he play inside linebacker?...Scouts are going to love to watch tape on this kid because he plays the game with heart, although he might just be a great collegiate player not cut out for the pros.
Woodyard is a very tricky player to project (I am telling you!) because of his lack of bulk...maybe he can play the WLB psoition with his 4.4 speed at UK's pro day but in my personal opinion I think he can really bulk up and play ILB into a 3-4 defense with his instincts and toughness. Woodyard was the ONLY player last year that got a solo tackle on Michael Bush on UK's defense (remember, he ended Bush's season and sent him to Day 2 of the draft).
Player Comparison: Ryan Nece.
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Bronco Timcat
03-12-2009, 08:45 PM
love Woodyard. The problem is the linebacker talent at # 12 is pretty darn deep. The Dline is not unless Raji falls, and I just dont see it happening. They could take an outside backer here also, but how do you pass Rey?
Roddoliver
03-12-2009, 08:48 PM
Maybe. But a big MAYBE, and I am sure that Mike Nolan does not like the idea. I like Wesley Woodyard a lot. He needs to be on the field. He is a football player. Last season, he was one of our best defensive players. There were games when he was the best defensive player on the field. Despite his size, he was shedding blocks and making a lot consecutive tackles, laying some big hits, making 3rd down stops, deflecting passes... He was gaining a lot of momentum.
Even Jake Delhomme said that Woodyard was playing great. In my humble opinion, it was a huge mistake to remove him from the starting lineup. I also like DJ Williams, but he was still banged up and had awful, awful games late in the season. Woodyard was flying on the field, giving hope to a dreadful defense. He should have played the whole game against the Panthers, and as a linebacker. 8-9 snaps as a SS? Are you kidding me?
I even dare to think that if he had played the 16 games as a starter, he would have made as many tackles as Jerod Mayo. He was averaging 10 per game, and getting better week after week. I still remember when he started against the Browns, he was looking nervous and rusty, missing some plays. When he calmed down, he became a beast and never looked back.
WOODYARD, YOU ARE THE MAN! :salute:
Bronco Rambler
03-12-2009, 09:02 PM
I also love Woodyard and am a big proponent of seeing him starting in the orange and blue in the near future. Sure he is small...but like the article said he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER with a lot of heart; something that cannot be measured through the combine.
He led the SEC in tackles 2 years in a row (junior and senior campaigns) and his the fire that I love to see on the defensive side of the ball.
I think we all saw last year that he can play...
I would love to see:
OLB:Brian Cushing (12th pick in the draft)
ILB: DJ Williams
ILB: Wesley Woodyard
OLB: Jarvis/Doom or another draft aquisition.
Andra Davis and LArsen provide healthy competition and depth (Davis also provides experience and leadership)
The OLB also offers Reid (new aquisition from the Colts)
...that would be very nasty for opposing offenses to see.
TXBRONC
03-12-2009, 09:27 PM
I really don't think Woodyard could get big enough to play on the inside.
hardcorebronco
03-12-2009, 09:27 PM
Between D.J. Williams, Spencer Larson, Wesley Woodyard, and Andra Davis, I really don't see us going with an ILB in the first day. OLB and DE are much bigger needs imo. :salute!:
Cutler4tw
03-12-2009, 09:45 PM
I also love Woodyard and am a big proponent of seeing him starting in the orange and blue in the near future. Sure he is small...but like the article said he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER with a lot of heart; something that cannot be measured through the combine.
He led the SEC in tackles 2 years in a row (junior and senior campaigns) and his the fire that I love to see on the defensive side of the ball.
I think we all saw last year that he can play...
I would love to see:
OLB:Brian Cushing (12th pick in the draft)
ILB: DJ Williams
ILB: Wesley Woodyard
OLB: Jarvis/Doom or another draft aquisition.
Andra Davis and LArsen provide healthy competition and depth (Davis also provides experience and leadership)
The OLB also offers Reid (new aquisition from the Colts)
...that would be very nasty for opposing offenses to see.
i Agree Woodyard needs to be on the field on Sundays hes a Ballhawk im sooooo Big on Woodyard i just love seeing him play i honestly think hes probably the best LB we have but thats just a maybe, im more than willing to give him a shot at getting the starting ILB position with time his motabolism will slow down and he will gain the weight he needs to gain cant wait to see this guy out on the field this upcoming year
TXBRONC
03-12-2009, 09:52 PM
Between D.J. Williams, Spencer Larson, Wesley Woodyard, and Andra Davis, I really don't see us going with an ILB in the first day. OLB and DE are much bigger needs imo. :salute!:
Woodyard's isn't big enough for to play every down in a 3-4, at least I don't think he is and there better inside linebacker than Andra Davis. His stats are rather mediocre for guy who had pro bowl nose tackle playing in front of him. Maualuga is available I take him in a heart beat.
hardcorebronco
03-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Woodyard's isn't big enough for to play every down in a 3-4, at least I don't think he is and there better inside linebacker than Andra Davis. His stats are rather mediocre for guy who had pro bowl nose tackle playing in front of him. Maualuga is available I take him in a heart beat.
Size < Ability / Desire
Al Wilson was undersized, and so are a great many all pro caliber players. Woodyard would make a very good 3-4 inside backer if he can shed blocks well. We have a ton of depth right now at inside backer compared to the rest of our defense, and Rey isn't even a projected top 15 player. If we take him at #12 I'll be very disappointed, because that would be an extreme reach, and I don't think he'll be that good anyway.
Wesley Woodyard - 230 Pounds (frame capable of carrying more)
Rey Rey Maualuga - 255 Pounds
Woodyard could easily gain 10 pounds or so, and then he wouldn't be so "undersized" as many people think. ;)
dragster69
03-12-2009, 10:12 PM
I also love Woodyard and am a big proponent of seeing him starting in the orange and blue in the near future. Sure he is small...but like the article said he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER with a lot of heart; something that cannot be measured through the combine.
He led the SEC in tackles 2 years in a row (junior and senior campaigns) and his the fire that I love to see on the defensive side of the ball.
I think we all saw last year that he can play...
I would love to see:
OLB:Brian Cushing (12th pick in the draft)
ILB: DJ Williams
ILB: Wesley Woodyard
OLB: Jarvis/Doom or another draft aquisition.
Andra Davis and LArsen provide healthy competition and depth (Davis also provides experience and leadership)
The OLB also offers Reid (new aquisition from the Colts)
...that would be very nasty for opposing offenses to see.When the Broncos signed Ronnie Fields from SF, that pretty much ruled out Raji. Fields is only 27 yrs old and can play nose tackle at 6-2 315lbs
I wanted Raji with our 12th pick, but I can see us going for a LB, and yes, I like Cushing to be that guy
Besides LB's this year's draft has a couple of 1st round cornerbacks material as well. We'll see...
Senses Fail
03-12-2009, 10:17 PM
When the Broncos signed Ronnie Fields from SF, that pretty much ruled out Raji.
Then why did they bring in Raji for personal workouts? :incomplete:
Bronco Rambler
03-12-2009, 10:27 PM
I agree that with Fields...Raji might not be our first choice. Plus I still think the time to get our anchor NT is next year's draft...there is much more depth at the position.
We can still even add more depth with Terrence Taylor or someone of the likes in the later round.
broncsfan21
03-12-2009, 10:35 PM
I love woodyard, he has that fire to compete in him, and while i think he would produce if he was on the field, I dont think nolan will put him out there because of his size.
He impressed me with his play against the browns, he took down Jamal Lewis by himself and kept him from getting a first down. Pretty impressive for a guy only weighing 220 taking down a RB who is 240.
I hope the kid gets a chance though
Bronco Timcat
03-12-2009, 10:37 PM
Well in my opinion Raji simply wont be there. I also think they brought Raji in because they thought he might still be there at twelve. Fields was signed because its pretty clear Raji wont make it that far down the boards. Im ok with Rey. The boards are all over the place on him though. Ive seen him going as high as five and as low as in the mid twentys. I'm not sure how anyone thinks he is not going to be a great pro. (your certanly entitled to your opinion.) I personally think He is a beast. I watched him a lot last year against the best compitition college has to offer and he was the man. Sure he has holes in his game but there isnt a college player and very few pros that don't. All that being said, while Im not as confident that we are deep at ILB as some of you, I wouldnt mind seeing Cushing be the pick there. A corner would make sense also but like I said before this backer class is something else this year. Its Rey or Cushing. Bank on it.
urinal_cake
03-12-2009, 10:47 PM
He's too small at any LB position in a 3-4- If we were staying 4-3, then I'd have a different opinion.
dragster69
03-12-2009, 11:05 PM
Then why did they bring in Raji for personal workouts? :incomplete:
Hey, you never know. My point is, we already signed a NT. I was hoping we would draft Raji to anchor our DL for many years to come.
Raji may not be available at #12, but if he is, I wouldn't be disappointed if we got him, but then again, why did we sign Fields?
Roddoliver
03-12-2009, 11:10 PM
You think we will carry 1 NT for the entire season? Especially Fields, who is not a great NT. The other guy we signed (Parker) is practice squad material for now. Raji would be perfect for us.
dragster69
03-12-2009, 11:35 PM
You think we will carry 1 NT for the entire season? Especially Fields, who is not a great NT. The other guy we signed (Parker) is practice squad material for now. Raji would be perfect for us.First of all, I'm NOT saying I would be against drafting Raji, I loved to have him, no question
To answer your question, the other possible back-up at NT would be Marcus Thomas. He's a rotational player, and can play NT as well
IgorBStrange
03-13-2009, 02:06 AM
When I see Raji and read his reviews I hear the words Haynesworth and Shaun Rogers. Takes plays off, tends to underperform, etc..
Now when I see guys like Dorel Scott and Sammie Lee Hill, read about them and see what little video I can get, I think Kris Jenkins, Rubin Carter. Good citizens, great motor, never takes plays off, coachable. Basically everything you want. Plus, with Hill comes the words "athletic and versatile".
As for Woodyard, I think of guys like Joe Rizzo, Bob Swenson. Undersized? So what? He is a player. He gets to the ball and makes plays. Just put him in and watch him go. Like a previous poster said, he stopped Jamal Lewis in his tracks. Give him time to grow, get a good LB rotation going and he'll thrive.
That is what made the original Crush so deadly. If the starters were resting, the 2nd team would beat you up almost as badly. When Alzado, Carter and Chavous took a breather in came Smith, Grant and Manor. All smaller, quicker and just as nasty. There were pieces interchangeable everywhere in the Crush when Collier coached them.
And for all of you who think McDaniels FA pickups sucketh. Remember, even the original Crush had role players, mid grade players and supposed scrubs who molded the unit that those of us old enough remember as arguably the best defense in the late 70's and early 80's.
Keep them fresh and tire out the opponents. Works every time.
swankattack86
03-13-2009, 05:19 AM
It would be hard for him to put on the 20-30 pounds me might need to play ILB but i say its worth a ****, i like this kid.
kona bronco
03-13-2009, 05:53 AM
Woodard is a Ball Player no questions about it and the kids heart will never be brought in to question BUT for an ILB in the 3-4 he is just way to small. Inside Linbackers need to be able to shed 300+ lbs linemenoff and still stop the run or penitrate to provide QB pressure. We had undoubtly had one of the best lines in football last year, this offseason is where he needs to prove himself.
mooncamping
03-13-2009, 08:08 AM
In a 3-4, as an inside linebacker, Wesley Woodyard from the Kentucky Wildcats? Yes, absolutely. He has the proper proportions and he´s a
ballhawk.
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/252740.jpg
Cutler4tw
03-13-2009, 03:06 PM
Size < Ability / Desire
Rey isn't even a projected top 15 player. If we take him at #12 I'll be very disappointed, because that would be an extreme reach, and I don't think he'll be that good anyway.
Wesley Woodyard - 230 Pounds (frame capable of carrying more)
Rey Rey Maualuga - 255 Pounds
Woodyard could easily gain 10 pounds or so, and then he wouldn't be so "undersized" as many people think. ;)
Woodyard is only 220 Pounds at most i love the guy and hope he gets a shot at a starting position but to say that Rey is not a top 15 players is rediculous this guy is a straight up player and i asure you he will be a monster in the NFL
japfaff
03-13-2009, 03:51 PM
Woodyard is way to small to play ILB in the 3-4. I agree with some that he has a place in a 4-3. I think the best thing to do with him is to play him at MLB when we are in 4-3. I still think that we are going to spend most of 2010 in the 4-3 cause that is what our personel is going to lead us to play. Let the league see what he can do, and then after next season maybe we can move him for something.... Either that, or make him a SS
japfaff
03-13-2009, 03:54 PM
As for you Raji fans.... He isnt a NT.... Looking at his skill sets, he is a natural fit for a 4-3. He is just a big two gap penatrator, He isnt the type of player that we would be looking for if we make the transition. But it is kind a moot point since there is only about a 5% chance that he makes it out of the top 5 let alone all the way to 12
Botan
03-13-2009, 04:17 PM
Hey, you never know. My point is, we already signed a NT. I was hoping we would draft Raji to anchor our DL for many years to come.
Raji may not be available at #12, but if he is, I wouldn't be disappointed if we got him, but then again, why did we sign Fields?
Just because we have one NT doesn't mean we don't need competition at the position. Usually at the very least a team wants 2 at the position.
It could be argued at this point that barring any last red flags Rajii won't even make it to our pick. Some also argue he isn't a NT. But if you consider him a NT, us signing Fields has nothing to do with it.
Cugel
03-13-2009, 08:13 PM
I also love Woodyard and am a big proponent of seeing him starting in the orange and blue in the near future. Sure he is small...but like the article said he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER with a lot of heart; something that cannot be measured through the combine.
He led the SEC in tackles 2 years in a row (junior and senior campaigns) and his the fire that I love to see on the defensive side of the ball.
I think we all saw last year that he can play...
I would love to see:
OLB:Brian Cushing (12th pick in the draft)
ILB: DJ Williams
ILB: Wesley Woodyard
OLB: Jarvis/Doom or another draft aquisition.
Andra Davis and LArsen provide healthy competition and depth (Davis also provides experience and leadership)
The OLB also offers Reid (new aquisition from the Colts)
...that would be very nasty for opposing offenses to see.
Perhaps, but unfortunately, THIS won't be very nasty for opposing offenses:
LDE: God-knows because nobody on the Broncos qualifies. :coffee:
NT: Ron Brace. A backup with the 49ers. No pass-rush threat at all.
RDE: Marcus Thomas?
Backing up these marginal players are: Kenny Peterson + Various scrubs. :coffee:
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