Discussion of our #12 and #18 picks

[Broncos_ATX]

Well, now that we sent Jay Cutler to Chicago and got their first round picks of both 2009 and 2010, I wanted to make a thread that we can talk about our 2009 Two 1st rounders.

1st round: #12 overall pick
1st round: #18 overall pick (from Chicago)


So, start talkin people. Who should we take with these two picks? Should we trade up? Discuss :coffee:

FYI: Here's who picks between us 13-17
13: Washington
14: New Orleans
15: Houston
16: San Diego
17: New York Jets

[OrangeBlueCrew]

If we draft a QB, the trade makes no sense, if you want to draft a QB, you send him to the lions for all the picks they will give you

[cloud of dust]

If we draft a QB, the trade makes no sense, if you want to draft a QB, you send him to the lions for all the picks they will give you

Josh Freeman at 18 may make sense. He is rising. 6'5" 245 and rocket armed-but a Junior.

[OrangeBlueCrew]

Josh Freeman at 18 may make sense. He is rising. 6'5" 245 and rocket armed-but a Junior.

So then why didn't you trade the Lions for more picks and no Orton for the 20th, just doesn't make sense to me. Seems like Orton is just a filler with one year left on his contract.

[IHSD]

Josh Freeman at 18 may make sense. He is rising. 6'5" 245 and rocket armed-but a Junior.

I would kill myself.

[pzmire]

Josh Freeman at 18 may make sense. He is rising. 6'5" 245 and rocket armed-but a Junior.

NOOOOOOOOOOO - IMHO Freeman is just an atheltic freak - He is not accurate enough and way too much of a project :logo:

[pzmire]

If we draft a QB, the trade makes no sense, if you want to draft a QB, you send him to the lions for all the picks they will give you

I agree if it's before the 3rd round - I wouldn't mind one 3-7 if he fits the system and has the ability :logo:

[OrangeBlueCrew]

I agree if it's before the 3rd round - I wouldn't mind one 3-7 if he fits the system and has the ability :logo:

Ya ya, my fault, i meant with one of the first rounders. I know Pat White is a no just cause he doesn't seem like a McDaniels guy, but guy won 4 bowl games and MVP of the Senior Bowl

[Hoserman117]

So then why didn't you trade the Lions for more picks and no Orton for the 20th, just doesn't make sense to me. Seems like Orton is just a filler with one year left on his contract.

Orton was actually good for the Bears last year. 18 TD's in that offense stink hole isn't bad at ALL.

[Broncos_ATX]

Good Lord. Not Josh Freeman.


I think we need to trade up #12 and #18 to Seattle at 4 or Cleveland at 5 and get Aaron Curry or Brian Orakpo. If we don't do that, we could go after Andre Brown at #12 to help solidify some serious bulk on our O Line and have two monsters at LT and RT with Ryan Clady and Andre Smith for the next ten years. Then at #18 we could go to Tyson Jackson at DE from LSU to build up our defense.

[Atwnbroncfan]

I think Raji at 12 and English at 18 if not English then id want Smitin.

I believe we get a QB in round 5 or later.

[OrangeBlueCrew]

Orton was actually good for the Bears last year. 18 TD's in that offense stink hole isn't bad at ALL.

Ya, my point was that if your going to draft a QB with a 1st, Orton is not your solution in a few years, therefore you should have worked a trade that didn't involve a QB

[broncos1997]

Ya, my point was that if your going to draft a QB with a 1st, Orton is not your solution in a few years, therefore you should have worked a trade that didn't involve a QB

yeah, especially after we just signed an apparent backup for 3 mil a year. to be honest, i'd rather just leave orton starting this year and draft a QB next year. maybe we can get white as a project who can revert to slot reciever if needed

[Pubs07]

Good Lord. Not Josh Freeman.


I think we need to trade up #12 and #18 to Seattle at 4 or Cleveland at 5 and get Aaron Curry or Brian Orakpo. If we don't do that, we could go after Andre Brown at #12 to help solidify some serious bulk on our O Line and have two monsters at LT and RT with Ryan Clady and Andre Smith for the next ten years. Then at #18 we could go to Tyson Jackson at DE from LSU to build up our defense.

If we do that and get Brown what do we do with Harris? Maybe move him to guard, but that seems like too much of a luxury pick for a team with as many needs as we have. I completely agree with trying to move up to get Curry or Orakpo. Curry will be in the Pro Bowl within 3 years and Orakpo would give us the one thing we haven't had since Simon Fletcher, a true pass rusher!

[Broncos_ATX]

If we do that and get Brown what do we do with Harris? Maybe move him to guard, but that seems like too much of a luxury pick for a team with as many needs as we have. I completely agree with trying to move up to get Curry or Orakpo. Curry will be in the Pro Bowl within 3 years and Orakpo would give us the one thing we haven't had since Simon Fletcher, a true pass rusher!

Honestly, I wouldn't mind dealing Harris for a 3rd or 4th rounder. He is sub-par I believe. But yes, I know what you mean about that being a bit of a luxury pick.

We could try and get Brian Cushing at #12 and then get Tyson Jackson at #18. That would fill both of our biggest needs, being LB and DE.

[Den615]

Good Lord. Not Josh Freeman.


I think we need to trade up #12 and #18 to Seattle at 4 or Cleveland at 5 and get Aaron Curry or Brian Orakpo. If we don't do that, we could go after Andre Brown at #12 to help solidify some serious bulk on our O Line and have two monsters at LT and RT with Ryan Clady and Andre Smith for the next ten years. Then at #18 we could go to Tyson Jackson at DE from LSU to build up our defense.
First i think you mean Andre Smith

Second, Ryan Harris played at a all pro level last year. Tackle is the most unlikely pick in the 1st. We may draft a guy for depth later on, but thats it.

Also if we traded up that high it would most likely be for Sanchez

[Broncos_ATX]

First i think you mean Andre Smith

Second, Ryan Harris played at a all pro level last year. Tackle is the most unlikely pick in the 1st. We may draft a guy for depth later on, but thats it.

Also if we traded up that high it would most likely be for Sanchez

My bad, I meant Smith. I've been kind of sleepy recently because of a pain reliever I've been taking cuz I had surgery on my leg 5 days ago :P

But good lord, we would never trade up for Sanchez. We don't need him.

[Den615]

My bad, I meant Smith. I've been kind of sleepy recently because of a pain reliever I've been taking cuz I had surgery on my leg 5 days ago :P

But good lord, we would never trade up for Sanchez. We don't need him.

Thats cool, you get some good meds for leg surgery. I've had 5 leg surgeries (4 in the last year), and will have another next week. So i know how that goes.:salute:

I dunno Sanchez just seems like a McDaniels kind of guy

[OrangeCrushX]

Let make this as easy as possible (My Hope)

#12 Best D Player Available (Brown,Orakpo,Raji,Davis) If no one is there worth it trade back for picks this and next year.
#18 Best D Player Available (T.Jackson,Rey,)

The first Offensive Player I want to see come off the board is a Center.

[Broncos_ATX]

Thats cool, you get some good meds for leg surgery. I've had 5 leg surgeries (4 in the last year), and will have another next week. So i know how that goes.:salute:

I dunno Sanchez just seems like a McDaniels kind of guy

I had a hernia operation cuz I herniated my groin during basktball season this year. But good gosh, 5 leg surgeries? You are a trooper bro. :go:

But we won't trade up to get Sanchez, because we would lose value in trying to get him, because it's not like he is a starter day-1 material that would bring so much firepower to our offense to where we would win 10 games automatically. He is like any other QB coming out of a draft. I don't think he is good enough to go that high.

We need to go get Aaron Curry though. He had a stellar college career, better than most defensive players I can remember in the last 3 or 4 years. And he is such a raw athlete, he could sit there at our ILB position and we can finally move DJ Williams back outside and we would have 2 of the best headhunters on defense in the NFL (not to mention Brian Dawkins!)

[shumway]

i think we could go with jenkins at 12 we need a cb or get him to play safety after dawkins goes in a few years. then address the dline at 18.

[DiehardinAlaska]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind dealing Harris for a 3rd or 4th rounder. He is sub-par I believe. But yes, I know what you mean about that being a bit of a luxury pick.


You mean the RT that gave up all of 1.5 sacks even though we threw 4 out of 5 plays?

[Cheeseking]

Sorry Orton, but Sanchez has serious potential if McD doesn't decide to piss him off too.

18- Trade it + 2nd or 3rd and try to move up to 4 or 5.

12- Hopefully Raji will fall to this point (with the drug rumors it could be a legitimate possibility), but if not, take the best def player on the board

[DeanZ]

looking at this draft there are too many defensive choices with 2 first rounders.

I'm going to say this right now and say I am NOT a fan Raji, and would not want to use that high of a pick on a NT, the man played a 4-3, and although he has the size to work in a 3-4 its really a waste having him here

now players to go after

I am a huge fan of Rey, and he can be the next staple of our LB core, a potentially better Wilson...I want to see him at 12th

with 18th we are getting into serious issues, we have potential to have one of the best secondaries out there with Champ and Dawkins, but our problem was that a CB or S can only cover for so long, pressure needs to be there.

We have Elvis on one side and look to see what DE drops this low, as this seems to be the draft for them (maybin, brown, jackson, johnson)...personally I am a fan of Brown and Jackson, although I don't see Brown dropping that far (maybe) I feel we can get Jackson to put some serious pressure on the QB, which has the potential to fix our pass problems. Then there is the potential that Malcolm Jenkins will drop...which could be the most tempting thing in the draft, a big corner with amazing footwork would benefit from leadership from Champ and Dawkins, but I still feel that DE is more important

At 48th overall is where we have the option to get Ron Brace, although there are other options at later times in the draft (Chris Baker or Moala from USC with 3rd rounder) alphonso smith and DJ moore are other options to look at thsi pick for similar reasons to 18th

Cliffs
12- Rey
18 - Brown or Jackson (they can fall)
48 - Smith or Moore
3rd - Baker or Moala

that maybe fixes the defense!

[rbagcfab]

I think there are too many pain killers going around! We shouldn't draft a Qb in the 1st. Raji is a piece of trash. Cushing didn't play on third down in college. And English isn't worth it.

For all of you Rey haters, how did he do on his pro day?

12. Rey maualuga ILB
18. Knowshon Moreno RB
48. Lawrence Sidbury OLB
79. Sammie Lee Hill NT
85. Alex Magee DE

[DURANGO BRONCO]

If I am the GM

Trade pick 12 (1,200 points) and pick 84 (170 points) to GB (GB pick 9 worth 1,350) move ahead of SF and take Sanchez.

pick 9 - Sanchez - new franchise QB
pick 18 - Tyson Jackson - 5 Tech DE
pick 48 - Ron Brace - DT
pick 76 - Lawrence Sidbury DE -acquired from the Jets for Kyle Orton
pick 79 - Eric Wood - Center

4th - 7th BPA

[Warhawk]

For all of you Rey haters, how did he do on his pro day?

He did fine, but Matthews and Cushing looked better.

Rey is a reach at 12, because even more than Cushing he's a 2-down LB. Cushing is actually well suited to battling the TE, both in terms of blocking and coverage. Rey is strictly a thumper (though a good one).

[rbagcfab]

He did fine, but Matthews and Cushing looked better.

Rey is a reach at 12, because even more than Cushing he's a 2-down LB. Cushing is actually well suited to battling the TE, both in terms of blocking and coverage. Rey is strictly a thumper (though a good one).

Rey ran a 4.69 and he did play on third down in college. He is great at blitzing up the middle and he wouldn't have to be matched up in man to man he would mainly drop to a spot. I am sorry but the best ILB is not a reach.

[DeanZ]

He did fine, but Matthews and Cushing looked better.

Rey is a reach at 12, because even more than Cushing he's a 2-down LB. Cushing is actually well suited to battling the TE, both in terms of blocking and coverage. Rey is strictly a thumper (though a good one).

I think that this is exactly what this team needs though, seriously last year we had no players that could change the game with a big hit (sad to see lynch go) but if we get him and dawkins going, I think they can produce those plays that really turn the game around

[DURANGO BRONCO]

If you really like Rey, he will probably be available at pick 18

[Jack-o-Lantern]

If you really like Rey, he will probably be available at pick 18

No, we have to get him at 12 if we want him.......and I hope we do.

Unfortunately, the Chargers will grab him in a heart beat.

[swankattack86]

We can get so many good players with these picks!

How bout Rey and English? Rey and Jackson? Mathews and Jackson? so many good options

[broncofansd]

This is easy. Our 2 Biggest needs. NT and OLB



12th------------Bj Raji - should be there especially after positive test.

18th------------Clay Mathews - OLB

or trade down 8 picks down and get a extra 2nd Round Pick and select Connor Barwin OLB.


Denver 2 Biggest Needs NT / OLB

[jc13]

deffense:

12. b.j raji if hes there or tyson wackson

18: rey muaafagalgaga or clay or cushing

QB draft

12: trade 12th and 3d and next years 2nd to seatle for it 4th and get Sanchez

18: rey maualaga or clay or cushing

[ChampPik4Six]

1) I think we need to draft defense defense defense. As long as we have our O-line and marshall, sheffler, royal and stokley I think out O will be fine. We need a pass rush and secondary help and linebackers.

2) However, I would love some skill position players and Im dying for a franchise RB.. So i say Beanie Wells with the 18th and draft Ray Malaluga with the 12th.. IMO that would be perfect to actually have a run game if we going with Orton at QB

12- Ray M.

18-Beanie wells

[Bronco in UT]

Don't be surprised if you see two buckies in the first round, Jenkins and Laurinitis (sp?).

[Papa-pwn]

Don't be surprised when you see knowshon or beanie donning a broncos cap..

[Bronco in UT]

Don't be surprised when you see knowshon or beanie donning a broncos cap..

Do you really think we would pick a running back with one of our first rounders? I would really hope that we would dedicate those picks in an area of need (defense). Plus we have a stable of rb's currently that don't merit a first round selection. I don't know, I just don't see it. Convince me?

[Broncos_ATX]

Do you really think we would pick a running back with one of our first rounders? I would really hope that we would dedicate those picks in an area of need (defense). Plus we have a stable of rb's currently that don't merit a first round selection. I don't know, I just don't see it. Convince me?

The only thing that would qualify us selecting a RB in the first round would be that we have 0 injury-free RB on our roster, but I think having 7 or 8 RB on our roster currently is fine enough to where we don't need to draft a first rounder :P

[expatRick]

I'm convinced now that someone will trade into the top 10 to draft Wells and someone may trade up to get one of the OT's. If this happens the Broncos have a legit shot at Brown, who I think will be better than Orakpo. I also think that #18 is good bait to lure the Browns into some sort of deal involving Rogers. I'm all for building through the draft but they'll need some proven defensive talent to compete this season.

[dieselpower]

Could get Raji if he drops. Then grap Maualga, Cush..er maybe Crush, Matthews, any of the multitutde of great picks in this year. Trade the best to get more......Return of the Orange Crush...............

Pitt style.

[new_era_in_denver]

Get Jenkins with the 12th pick to compete with Goodman were going to need a young corner soon so why not snag this one why we can. Then with the 18th pick take the best LB avaliable. Don't worry about QB I'm sure Orton will have no problem playing catch with Denvers receivers. Bailey, Jenkins, Dawkins, Hill, B. Bailey, Williams, Davis, Dummerville, Moss, A. Davis. Any of the USC LB) sounds like a pretty scary rebuilding defense to me.

[Snarfalicious]

Unlike most, I'm actually not too worried about the QB situation in Denver. Orton's physical attributes compare pretty similarly to Matt Cassell (Not especially great with the arm strength, but can manage a game effectively, etc.).

Also, with our RB situation, we have guys who can fit the mold of what the NE patriots do on a 3-down basis. We have the 3rd down/Kevin Faulk back (Arrington) and also the Laurence Maroney 1st-2nd down back (Correll Buckhalter/Ryan Torain?) as well. We also have the RB's who can get the ball in the endzone from within the 5 yard line (Lamont Jordan/Peyton Hillis (FB)). A big-time RB has never been a huge need in the Patriots Offense so I don't think it warrants a first-round pick this year. It would be nice to be able to help out Orton with a "legit" feature back, but I think there are more important needs (Specifically on the D) at this point.

As for the first couple of rounds. I still wouldn't rule out the chance of us possibly moving down with our 12th overall to a team like the Eagles who would love a shot at one of the premier LT's in exchange for one of their 1sts and a 2nd rounder. It would definetly make sense and the 12th pick (Unless a Raji/Orakpo/Etc drops to the 12th) seems like a No-Man's-Land pick when looking for a front-7 player.

When the draft rolls around, unless they have their eye on Mark Sanchez, we might see our FO looking for opportunities to trade back from the 12th, keep the 18th, and try to acquire another pick in the 2nd round in an attempt to really get the ball rolling on the rebuilding effort. Plenty of LT-hungry teams will be looking to jump in front of a team like the Redskins who are looking to upgrade possibly at LT.

[kona bronco]

This is easy. Our 2 Biggest needs. NT and OLB



12th------------Bj Raji - should be there especially after positive test.

18th------------Clay Mathews - OLB

or trade down 8 picks down and get a extra 2nd Round Pick and select Connor Barwin OLB.


Denver 2 Biggest Needs NT / OLB
Why don't we take everyone who can't pass a piss test, hell lets bring travis henry back and maybe trade for ricky williams.

[myoung]

This is easy. Our 2 Biggest needs. NT and OLB



12th------------Bj Raji - should be there especially after positive test.

18th------------Clay Mathews - OLB

or trade down 8 picks down and get a extra 2nd Round Pick and select Connor Barwin OLB.


Denver 2 Biggest Needs NT / OLB

If Mathews failed a drug test due to roids there is no way we should take him. He has been moving up the board because of athleticism that most didn't anticipate from him. The roids may be the reason. I say steer clear unless he is on the board in round 3.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Take Raji or the BPA at #12 (Moreno, Wells, Cushing, Rey, Jackson, etc). Trade #18 to Carolina for Julius Peppers. Instant defensive improvement. Package both first round picks next year (we may not need to if we stink it up this year) and draft McCoy or Bradford in the first round. Go defense with the majority of our remaining picks unless we trade Scheffler in which case we'll also need to bring in a young TE.

That's what I'd do. :logo:

[Gbt31]

Why not hope Sanchez is there at 12...or package a third and our 12th and move down to 8 and make sure we jump SF to get him. He is not the answer for next year, but with a year riding the pine and learning McDaniels playbook he could very well be. My only concern about QB next year is out of the top 3(which I still only see two that could fit McDaniels system as a franchise QB) is that Bradford is the guy.....but he will be a top 3 pick. Now, I really don't think we are going to be a 1-15 or a 3-13 team next year, and neither are the Bears. So I say we get the offensive players we need and draft the defense next year because next years draft class is loaded.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Why not hope Sanchez is there at 12...or package a third and our 12th and move down to 8 and make sure we jump SF to get him. He is not the answer for next year, but with a year riding the pine and learning McDaniels playbook he could very well be. My only concern about QB next year is out of the top 3(which I still only see two that could fit McDaniels system as a franchise QB) is that Bradford is the guy.....but he will be a top 3 pick. Now, I really don't think we are going to be a 1-15 or a 3-13 team next year, and neither are the Bears. So I say we get the offensive players we need and draft the defense next year because next years draft class is loaded.

I'm just not a big Sanchez fan. One year starter in a bad conference with a great defense and weapons at his disposal. He just hasn't proven to me (I've seen several USC games from this past year) that he's really worth a high first round pick or long term commitment. Other than Carson palmer, these overhyped USC QBs haven't excactly been stellar in the NFL. USC is like the Patriots: their system works, but their players don't seem to live up to the hype and reputation elsewhere.

[BroncoRy]

nothing but defense. Id love to see something like Raji at 12 and Malauga at 18. that would solidify the middle of the defense with two big strong players.

The Broncos have 5 of the top 85 or so. I am hoping for at least 3 if not 4 players taken to come in and compete on defense.

[dieselpower]

Raji mauaeuga. or cushing maueluga, or cushing matthews or...plenty of D there.

[Gbt31]

Raji might be a great player and all, but he really scares me. As for his junior year and now failing a drug test at the combine. I really don't know if I would rather spend one of our first round picks on a guy who has been successful in his one year of starting, or a guy who was redshirted academically two years ago and then fails a drug test before one of the biggest interviews of his life.

[Gbt31]

I'm just not a big Sanchez fan. One year starter in a bad conference with a great defense and weapons at his disposal. He just hasn't proven to me (I've seen several USC games from this past year) that he's really worth a high first round pick or long term commitment. Other than Carson palmer, these overhyped USC QBs haven't excactly been stellar in the NFL. USC is like the Patriots: their system works, but their players don't seem to live up to the hype and reputation elsewhere.

There has only been one overhyped QB since Carson, and well I think we can both agree Shanny made the right pick and not drafting him. I really think Sanchez is going to be a great QB....just not his rookie year. And we have a bridge that gap QB with Orton.

[dieselpower]

Unlike most, I'm actually not too worried about the QB situation in Denver. Orton's physical attributes compare pretty similarly to Matt Cassell (Not especially great with the arm strength, but can manage a game effectively, etc.).

Also, with our RB situation, we have guys who can fit the mold of what the NE patriots do on a 3-down basis. We have the 3rd down/Kevin Faulk back (Arrington) and also the Laurence Maroney 1st-2nd down back (Correll Buckhalter/Ryan Torain?) as well. We also have the RB's who can get the ball in the endzone from within the 5 yard line (Lamont Jordan/Peyton Hillis (FB)). A big-time RB has never been a huge need in the Patriots Offense so I don't think it warrants a first-round pick this year. It would be nice to be able to help out Orton with a "legit" feature back, but I think there are more important needs (Specifically on the D) at this point.

As for the first couple of rounds. I still wouldn't rule out the chance of us possibly moving down with our 12th overall to a team like the Eagles who would love a shot at one of the premier LT's in exchange for one of their 1sts and a 2nd rounder. It would definetly make sense and the 12th pick (Unless a Raji/Orakpo/Etc drops to the 12th) seems like a No-Man's-Land pick when looking for a front-7 player.

When the draft rolls around, unless they have their eye on Mark Sanchez, we might see our FO looking for opportunities to trade back from the 12th, keep the 18th, and try to acquire another pick in the 2nd round in an attempt to really get the ball rolling on the rebuilding effort. Plenty of LT-hungry teams will be looking to jump in front of a team like the Redskins who are looking to upgrade possibly at LT.

manager ehhh...still luv the rick james gettin kicked into the mirror though:D

[KWHIT97]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind dealing Harris for a 3rd or 4th rounder. He is sub-par I believe. But yes, I know what you mean about that being a bit of a luxury pick.

We could try and get Brian Cushing at #12 and then get Tyson Jackson at #18. That would fill both of our biggest needs, being LB and DE.

Ryan Harris is a fantastic RT and should be a guy we think about locking up long-term soon.

Andre Smith is a FAT, sloppy bear with MAJOR maturity issues. We just got rid of one child, why acquire another! Harris is better than Smith will ever dream of being!

[Gbt31]

Ryan Harris is a fantastic RT and should be a guy we think about locking up long-term soon.

Andre Smith is a FAT, sloppy bear with MAJOR maturity issues. We just got rid of one child, why acquire another! Harris is better than Smith will ever dream of being!

This doesnt happen often KWHIT, but I agree with you...on both accounts.

[dieselpower]

Ryan Harris is a fantastic RT and should be a guy we think about locking up long-term soon.

Andre Smith is a FAT, sloppy bear with MAJOR maturity issues. We just got rid of one child, why acquire another! Harris is better than Smith will ever dream of being!

Notre Dame boss and 1 of the standouts on a fairly weak team....at Dame and with the Broncos as well. Guy is pretty good in my opinion. Harris

[rbagcfab]

[QUOTE=broncofansd;2685525]This is easy. Our 2 Biggest needs. NT and OLB



12th------------Bj Raji - should be there especially after positive test.

18th------------Clay Mathews - OLB

or trade down 8 picks down and get a extra 2nd Round Pick and select Connor Barwin OLB.


Denver 2 Biggest Needs NT / OLB[/QUOTE

A roid freak and a guy that can't stop smoking pot to make millions. Good choices for the first round. You are so smart I wish I were you!

[JDAcord]

Draft Raji if he is there, I still would like to see Maleuga if Raji is gone at the #12.


Trade the #18 over all to the Carolina Panthers straight up for Julius Peppers.

Get a guy like Peppers and all this pretty much goes away and the Cutler trade is solidified into being a great trade.


Plus Raji, Peppers, DJ, Davis, Dawkins and Champ does not sound like a bad foundation for a defense huh???

[15thebeast]

I say we trade number 12 and our number 79 to the Jaguars for there number 8 and select Mark Sanchez. This would give Mcdaniels a proper quaterback and not the scrubs we currently have

[myoung]

Draft Raji if he is there, I still would like to see Maleuga if Raji is gone at the #12.


Trade the #18 over all to the Carolina Panthers straight up for Julius Peppers.

Get a guy like Peppers and all this pretty much goes away and the Cutler trade is solidified into being a great trade.


Plus Raji, Peppers, DJ, Davis, Dawkins and Champ does not sound like a bad foundation for a defense huh???

If we didn't want to lay out the cash and cap space for the #1 pick in the draft why would we think we have the money to give to Peppers?

I don't think this is an option based on the way we spent so much of our cap space already.

[Snarfalicious]

manager ehhh...still luv the rick james gettin kicked into the mirror though:D

Most would put Cassell into the "Game-Manager" catagory in terms of any other offense apart from the Patriots. His stats for 2009: 63.4 cmp. %, 3693 yards, 21 TD, 11 INT. Those are good numbers no matter what title they are given. The QB in a McDaniels Offensive system must be able to read, react, and deliver the ball to the receiver on the run to a receiver to maximize YAC. We have two of the best WR's with the ball after the catch in Marshall and Royal. Our O-Line is solid, we have 4 good WR's, 2 good TE's (For now), and 2 guys who can catch the ball out of the backfield (Hillis/Arrington) like a WR can.

To put it bluntly, the last worry on my mind coming from this trade isn't whether or not Orton will perform, but more so, what will we do with the extra picks. Orton will surpise a lot of us who are down on the trade and prospect of Orton being our starting QB. I guarantee you that McDaniels is ecstatic over getting Orton because the intangibles of Orton compare greatly to Cassel, and his leadership and drive is just icing on the cake. Despite what some people on here think, Orton might be just what this Team needs.

[SweetFeet Clady]

I think the broncos need to go defense/defense with their two first round picks.

With the 12th overall pick i see the broncos taking either B.J. Raji or Brian Cushing.

And with the 18th overall pick i see them either taking Tyson Jackson from LSU or Rey Maualuga from USC if he can somehow slip by the chargers.

[Pruke]

Understanding the need for impact players, I'm guessing they will actually focus more on needs and less on BPA (unless they cannot justify a 'need' selection at one of the spots and cannot trade down).

As a result, I'm thinking:
- QB / DT / DE / ILB / OLB / S

If they get caught in a pickle and cannot trade out of the slot, then:
- CB / RB / OL / WR / TE

In no particular order.

[Lomax]

Understanding the need for impact players, I'm guessing they will actually focus more on needs and less on BPA (unless they cannot justify a 'need' selection at one of the spots and cannot trade down).

As a result, I'm thinking:
- QB / DT / DE / ILB / OLB / S

If they get caught in a pickle and cannot trade out of the slot, then:
- CB / RB / OL / WR / TE

In no particular order.

I still fail to see how QB is seen as a "need". Unless we deal Orton, he's going to get the starting job.

I don't see DT as a "need" either. Fields and Powell right now look like our #1 and #2 at NT. That's not to say that we won't grab one who's seen as better value, but that will probably only be if there are no viable options at DE, and you have to think that Tyson Jackson, as the best 3-4 DE prospect, would be high on our list.

We need LBs like nobody's business. Lucky for us, it's a deep LB draft.

Way too many needs on D to worry about a QB in the first.

[badaxe]

:logo: Quite a few good defensive players on the board....Orton will be the QB this year, and where we go from there, in 2010, depends upon his performance. No need to "reach" for another QB via trade-up etc.

Gotta get smart, tough defenders who have a nose for the football and can make plays. I really like the two Ohio State players, Laurinaitis and Jenkins.

That said, Raji, Maybin, Jackson, Cushing and Maualuga will "work" too.

This has got to be the draft where we begin build an aggressive, swarming, kick butt defense that leads this league in lowest PPG & TAKEAWAYS!

[bronco4life88]

in my opionion drafting a half back in the first round would be stupid.there is so much depth at halfback.

in the 12th Draft Raji or he doesnt fall to us then draft jackson,or one the 4-3 3-4 hybrid rushing types

in the 18th draft so if dont get raji get his fraternity brother ron brace it is reaching yes,if we get raji then draft english, moss isnt going to cut it this year at olb our best olb as of right now i believe is dumervil

[kona bronco]

in my opionion drafting a half back in the first round would be stupid.there is so much depth at halfback.

in the 12th Draft Raji or he doesnt fall to us then draft jackson,or one the 4-3 3-4 hybrid rushing types

in the 18th draft so if dont get raji get his fraternity brother ron brace it is reaching yes,if we get raji then draft english, moss isnt going to cut it this year at olb our best olb as of right now i believe is dumervil

Sorry bud but Raji wont be there and a OLB would be useless if we CANT STOP THE RUN. Rey at 12 and TJax at 18 hope Brace will be there at 48th.

[bronco4life88]

Sorry bud but Raji wont be there and a OLB would be useless if we CANT STOP THE RUN. Rey at 12 and TJax at 18 hope Brace will be there at 48th.

there is to main things we need to do stop the run and get to the passer.how is rey going to stop the run?spencer larson is much better than ray at least he can tackle ray misses alot of tackles all he does is blitz. if you have to trade up for raji do it as long as he slips past the browns if not draft jackson and brace at 18 you cant just hope he will be there.thats like saying hope we stop the run with the guys we have.for the second it would be a toss up we could draft jarron gilbert or jennings a hb or we could wait til the third to get green

[MHS]

i am a huge fan of rey. But lets not rule a reach at one our picks. McD comes from the patriots who take a player they like no matter where they are picking. Logan Mankins comes to mind.

[japfaff]

I want Rey with the #12, take Cush #18, #48 I take gilbert. I would also like to see someone like Harrell in the 5th round

[Ravage!!!]

I want Rey with the #12, take Cush #18, #48 I take gilbert. I would also like to see someone like Harrell in the 5th round

If we could get both Rey and Cushing.. that woudl be AWESOME.... although I'mnot sure two LBs are the greatest of needs since our DL is pathetic.

[bronco4life88]

whats with all this linebacker talk we need d-line it has been our weakness forever im tired of our guys getting pushed around i cant stand it.linebackers are nothing with out a line just like a running back with out a line they would be useless there is a lot of depth at lb that we can get in the 3rd.

[MHS]

whats with all this linebacker talk we need d-line it has been our weakness forever im tired of our guys getting pushed around i cant stand it.linebackers are nothing with out a line just like a running back with out a line they would be useless there is a lot of depth at lb that we can get in the 3rd.

we need help at pretty much every position on defense. It depends on who the best player at that spot is. It seems like it will be a LB.

[lottaphil]

I've never been a fan of moving up in the draft, especially in the first round. You usually end up giving way too much for an unproven player (aka Jarvis Moss) and the talent level is fairly even within the first 20 picks or so.

I think if Sanchez falls to #12 we should consider him, but there's no need to sell the farm when we're not even sure we need another QB. Orten could very well pan out to be a good QB for our new system.

I like what we did last year with our draft. We sat back, let the draft unfold, and took the BPA at our picks.

We have so many picks and we have so many needs, we need to be conservative and IMO the draft seems to get deeper every year. Just look at the impact some of our UDFA had last year! Our 3rd-7th round picks are too valuable to throw around for unproven players.

I think if Raji, Orakpo, Everette Brown, and Aaron Maybin are gone at #12 we could look into trading down, but I wouldn't be too upset to take Jenkins, Maualuga, or Jackson.

My first few picks look like this right now:
#12 Everette Brown
#18 Tyson Jackson
#48 Ron Brace

[joeguy11]

Sorry bud but Raji wont be there and a OLB would be useless if we CANT STOP THE RUN. Rey at 12 and TJax at 18 hope Brace will be there at 48th.

OLB-D.J. Williams

[Pruke]

I still fail to see how QB is seen as a "need". Unless we deal Orton, he's going to get the starting job.

I don't see DT as a "need" either. Fields and Powell right now look like our #1 and #2 at NT. That's not to say that we won't grab one who's seen as better value, but that will probably only be if there are no viable options at DE, and you have to think that Tyson Jackson, as the best 3-4 DE prospect, would be high on our list.

We need LBs like nobody's business. Lucky for us, it's a deep LB draft.

Way too many needs on D to worry about a QB in the first.

I'm not saying Orton isn't the second coming of Tom Brady - although he isn't - I'm just saying that he's a guy who's got 1 more year until FA and than McD still has to think about what the long-term solution at QB is.

This means that he needs to start looking now, rather than later. 99% of the time, it pays to develop your QB - Orton will no doubt be a serviceable stand in until the whole position picture plays itself out a little better.

Do you disagree?

[broncofansd]

This is easy


12th Pick-------------------BJ Raji - NT - 6'2" 334lbs


18th Pick-------------------Clay Mathews - OLB - 6'3" 245lbs


Our 2 Biggest needs NT and OLB.

[Momentum]

I've never been a fan of moving up in the draft, especially in the first round. You usually end up giving way too much for an unproven player (aka Jarvis Moss) and the talent level is fairly even within the first 20 picks or so.

I think if Sanchez falls to #12 we should consider him, but there's no need to sell the farm when we're not even sure we need another QB. Orten could very well pan out to be a good QB for our new system.

I like what we did last year with our draft. We sat back, let the draft unfold, and took the BPA at our picks.

We have so many picks and we have so many needs, we need to be conservative and IMO the draft seems to get deeper every year. Just look at the impact some of our UDFA had last year! Our 3rd-7th round picks are too valuable to throw around for unproven players.

I think if Raji, Orakpo, Everette Brown, and Aaron Maybin are gone at #12 we could look into trading down, but I wouldn't be too upset to take Jenkins, Maualuga, or Jackson.

My first few picks look like this right now:
#12 Everette Brown
#18 Tyson Jackson
#48 Ron Brace

Id run the streets if we made out like that.

My draft board is

12- BJ Raji, Rey M., Darius Butler, Beanie Wells, T. Jackson
18- Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim, Ron Brace, Donald Brown, Evander Hood

I'm not a huge Tyson Jackson fan because he isn't versatile but I wouldn't be mad if we picked him.

[Lomax]

I'm not saying Orton isn't the second coming of Tom Brady - although he isn't - I'm just saying that he's a guy who's got 1 more year until FA and than McD still has to think about what the long-term solution at QB is.

This means that he needs to start looking now, rather than later. 99% of the time, it pays to develop your QB - Orton will no doubt be a serviceable stand in until the whole position picture plays itself out a little better.

Do you disagree?

I don't disagree that we can start looking now. I just disagree that it should be in the 1st round. I wouldn't be surprised if a QB isn't somewhere on our board. But that would be for depth and development, not because it's a position of need right now.

[broncofansd]

Id run the streets if we made out like that.

My draft board is

12- BJ Raji, Rey M., Darius Butler, Beanie Wells, T. Jackson
18- Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim, Ron Brace, Donald Brown, Evander Hood

I'm not a huge Tyson Jackson fan because he isn't versatile but I wouldn't be mad if we picked him.


You have a Eye for Talent

[Lomax]

Id run the streets if we made out like that.

My draft board is

12- BJ Raji, Rey M., Darius Butler, Beanie Wells, T. Jackson
18- Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim, Ron Brace, Donald Brown, Evander Hood

I'm not a huge Tyson Jackson fan because he isn't versatile but I wouldn't be mad if we picked him.

I'm reading that the knock on Jackson is that he lacks explosiveness and has a limited motor. He barely got any sacks last season. Maybe we should pass and go heavy at OLB/rush DE.

[bronco4life88]

i would have to agree ziggy is the best bet for 3-4 de