Jack-o-Mock Draft (Post Cutler Trade)

[Jack-o-Lantern]

WARNING: Before you read this mock draft here are a few things to keep in mind:

a) There is no predicting where people will be drafted. There are only rough estimates unless you can read the future, so I look to the rough estimates as a basic guideline. Thus, it is called a mock draft and not an actual draft.

b) These are my ideal picks and not McDaniels or Xanders, so some guys probably won't be what "The Man" takes interest in.

c) An early round NT is a big need, but there are better options next year just as there is at the QB position. We have two firsts next year, so hopefully we will be able to better fulfill both of those needs.

d) My thoughts on Raji. Raji is a 4-3 DT and hasn't been tested as a NT. He may turn out to be something good, but not if he plays like he did at the Senior bowl; getting manhandled one on one. He will also take time to develop as he hasn't played NT before, so It would be a couple years before we see how good he can truly be. There are just better options next year like Boo Robinson, Mt. Cody, Suh Ndamukong or possibly even Vince Oghobaase.

c) This is for fun.....so enjoy, make comments and ask any questions you might have. Just remember these are my thoughts and my thoughts alone. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them.


JACK-O-MOCK DRAFT

1-12) Rey Maualuga - ILB
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f924c5 (Vignette)

Our biggest problem on defense is that we can't stop the run. If you can't stop the run then the opposing team will not pass as much, will control the clock and have more control over the overall dictation of the game. If we don't pick Rey here the Chargers will draft him before our next pick. Rey is the best 3-4 SILB in the draft and will make a major impact against stopping the run, giving us a reason to draft an OLB at our next pick as the opposing team will be forced to pass more frequently. Most of all, Maualuga is a playmaking leader and is as disruptive as they come in the backfield. He is definitely a good option at #12.

1-18) Larry English - OLB
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f8d9de (Vignette)

This pick could also very easily be Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews. One thing is for sure, one of these talents will be around when we pick giving us a major upgrade to our current OLB corps. We do need a pass rush and here is the opportunity to pick it up in the first with a few good options still left on the board to choose from.

2-48) Louis Delmas - FS ; Patrick Chung or William Moore - SS
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f87d4f (Vignette)
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f87f63 (Vignette)
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f88173 (Vignette)

Louis Delmas would be a serious upgrade as a FS and complete our tandem with Dawkins at SS. He is great in coverage and can play bigger than his size. However, Brian Dawkins only has a couple years left in him and with little good depth we could use another good SS to groom. William Moore had a down year partially because of injury and was considered a ball-hawking first round talent last year. Patrick Chung is a the harder hitter of the two and is more in the mold of Dawkins. I would be extremely happy with either of these picks in the second.

3-79) Shonn Greene - RB
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f8db07 (Vignette)

This is a guy that McDaniels probably won't go for even though he can make a major impact. He has a hard running style and doesn't go down on first contact. Shonn has the ability to keep the sticks moving. I really think bigger backs work better with our ZBS as our linemen aren't the biggest guys in the NFL. Unfortunately, McDaniels comes from the school of the Patriots and probably likes sissy elusive backs with baby soft hands that go down on first contact.

3-84) David Veikune or Zach Follett - OLB
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f34ba9 (Combine)
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f2e129 (Combine)

We could use a little extra comfort in the OLB department and these guys are great pickups at this point. Zach is a very productive OLB in the 3-4 and can lay a big hit. While, David Veikune dominated but is untested with top tier talent, however, has the potential to be a good surprise pickup.

4-114) Mitch King - DE
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f8db28 (Vignette)

We will be playing a Hybrid Defense next year. With that in mind I could see King lining up as a DT in the 4-3 or a DE in the 3-4. He will never be a 320 lb. lineman, currently at 280 lbs., but makes up for it with his violent aggressive play and great technique. He will make it, against the odds, at the next level.

5-149) A.Q. Shipley - C
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f33832 (Combine)

I think he is the best prospect for our ZBS and we need it. With our aging center and only Lichtensteiger as an option Shipley will bring solidity to our line for years to come. His accomplishments at the collegiate ranks speak volumes of the man.

6-185) Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Taylor - NT
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f334c6 (Combine)
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f34b72 (Combine)

We aren't going to get a superstar NT this year, it's just probably not in our cards. However, these guys have the ability to be project players and could make for some good depth. Terrance Taylor was considered a first round pick before his downhill slide of a bad year, but still could work out at either NT or maybe even DE in the 3-4. Sammie Lee Hill is big and athletic but untested as a NT and against top competition. Either guy would at least give us some depth and hope for the future.

7-225) Graham Harrell - QB
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f92d86 (Vignette)

A late round QB that I can see McDaniels picking up as a project to develop. Sure his numbers are inflated due to the spread and the competition he faced, but there is something to be said for his poise and accuracy he showed in the pocket throughout the years. Also, he was a Heisman candidate.
"Harrell, who has thrown for 4,700-plus yards this season, didn't get a ticket to the Heisman ceremony. Harrell had more passing yards than Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy of Texas and defending Heisman winner Tim Tebow of Florida. He also led his team to the same 11-1 record those three quarterbacks engineered."

7-235) Rulon Davis - DE
VIDEO: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f3003e (Combine)

Rulon Davis has an injury history, but at this point in the game nobody has a first round resume. When Rulon is healthy he is a disruptive force and has very high character. He has the ideal height and size and intangibles to make it as a good DE in the 3-4.

FA) Rich Ohrnberger - OG

A fellow O-lineman that dominated in the trenches with A.Q. Shippley. We could use a little more competition at OG as we will soon need a replacement. I think Rich is underrated as he has held his own over the years in the ZBS.

:DIf the draft happened anything like this......I might just crap my pants.:D

[Blue Thunda]

haha I like your quote at the end.

It is a pretty nice draft CP to you! :peace:

[broncofansd]

Wow you think that Mitch King( a undersized DE ) and Terrance Taylor ( a guy who struggled at the East West Shrine Game against 2nd Level Centers) is going to help our Defensive Line???????


I think NT and OLB are the 2 most important positions.

I think out of your draft 3 players might be selected by Denver.


Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews - OLB -Have to go Mathews for OLB , Cushing is ILB in a 3-4


A.Q. Shipley - definete possibility


Zach Follett - Good player


Sammie Lee Hill is shooting up draft boards and some have him in 3rd Round.

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________________________

1st ----------BJ Raji
1st-----------Clay Mathews
2nd-----------Lawerence Sidbury
3rd-----------Dorrell Scott/Sammie Lee Hill
3rd-----------Chip Vaughn
4th-----------Collie Austin
5th-----------Chris Baker
6th-----------Gatrell Johnson


McDaniels is from The Patriots. During his press conference he said he likes BIGGER Players. Watch Denver to Go BIG

[OrangeCrushX]

Nice Draft Jack-O

[DeanZ]

I like it, this team needs the orange crush back and a solid LB core is where it starts...although I think we have enough runningbacks, its impossible to get 7 RB's on IR...again...hopefully

[ItalianBronco]

1-12) Rey Maualuga - ILB

1-18) Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews - OLB

2-48) Patrick Chung or William Moore - SS

3-79) Shonn Greene - RB

3-84) David Veikune or Zach Follett - OLB

4-114) Mitch King - DE

5-149) A.Q. Shipley - C

6-185) Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Taylor - NT

7-225) Rich Ohrnberger - OG

7-235) Rulon Davis - DE


:DIf the draft happened anything like this......I might just crap my pants.:D



We are on the same page on almost everything...Just a question though...

What if Raji falls to 12, and REY REY gets us at 18...WOW!!!!

Our NT and ILB with Shonne Greene and William Moore in the next few rounds...

#12 RAJI
#18 REY REY
#48 Shonne Greene
followed by William Moore

Holy crap I think I just Turtled...

[pzmire]

1-12) Rey Maualuga - ILB

1-18) Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews - OLB

2-48) Patrick Chung or William Moore - SS

3-79) Shonn Greene - RB

3-84) David Veikune or Zach Follett - OLB

4-114) Mitch King - DE

5-149) A.Q. Shipley - C

6-185) Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Taylor - NT

7-225) Rich Ohrnberger - OG

7-235) Rulon Davis - DE


:DIf the draft happened anything like this......I might just crap my pants.:D

Me too but not for delight - I'd be disgusted

[Endzo]

Rey Maualuga is a second round talent. and definitely not a 3 down backer, how can you possibly consider him a #12 talent? A big headhunter who has some highlights on youtube because he did well with a very good supporting cast. No thanks, maybe in the second?

No offense but the Rey fan boys need to get real.

[Broncos Bassist]

Count me in the Rey not-fan column, but the question I have is whether or not Hill or Taylor will be available in the 6th? From what I've seen, most people have them going no later than the 5th, and usually earlier.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

We are all entitled to our own opinions my friends.

I promise I have listened to all the anti-Rey theories and taken then into consideration. After much debating I still conclude that Maualuga is still a possibility and a good fit for our team whether people like it or not. You should read the threads on Rey and form your own oppinion.

It seems people are really one way or the other for the guy. It seems strange to me that people don't want the best 3-4 SILB in the draft, but like I said we all have our own opinions.

Keep the comments coming and I'll try to get you my reasoning for the picks later.

Any other questions or thoughts are welcome as well!!!:D

[kerkhoff1]

I would love it if we were to get Mitch King. Four yaer starter at Iowa, undersized DT but very good sized DE for the 3-4, has a motor like no other, makes plays behind the line, and plays the game with great passion. If he is avalible 4th,5th,6th round I will be extremly dissapointed if we pass

[BrOnCoMaNiAc53]

i like rey rey a lot, but i think we should take raji at 12 if hes available for sure then take mathews or ohios LB.(had a brain fart cant think of his name for some reason) but OLB should b priority

one thing i dont want to happen is the bolts take rey rey and he turns out to be a ray lewis...that would blow then i would not like all of you anti rey ppl lol

[Dpaparelli]

Round 1 (12) - BJ Raji - NT
Round 1 (18) - Rey Maugula - OLB
Round 2 - Pat White - QB (just incase this whole orton thing dosent work)
Round 3 - Shonn Green - RB
Round 4 - Chip Vaughan/William Moore - SS
Round 5 - Larry English - ILB
Round 6 - Jarron Gilbert/Paul Kruger/David Veikune - DE
Round 7 - AQ shipley - C
Round 8 - Nick Reed - ILB

Then I'd move Peyton Hillis back to fullback, I'd Release Spencer Larsen/Ryan Torain
Also make a clean sweep of the training staff because you shouldnt have that many running backs go down in one season.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I have updated my mock with more info.

Some of my reasoning has been added to help you figure out my thought process when creating this mock..

enjoy.

[housemouse]

Round 1 (12) - BJ Raji - NT
Round 1 (18) - Rey Maugula - OLB
Round 2 - Pat White - QB (just incase this whole orton thing dosent work)
Round 3 - Shonn Green - RB
Round 4 - Chip Vaughan/William Moore - SS
Round 5 - Larry English - ILB
Round 6 - Jarron Gilbert/Paul Kruger/David Veikune - DE
Round 7 - AQ shipley - C
Round 8 - Nick Reed - ILB

Then I'd move Peyton Hillis back to fullback, I'd Release Spencer Larsen/Ryan Torain
Also make a clean sweep of the training staff because you shouldnt have that many running backs go down in one season.
Larry English in the 5th? :laugh:

He will be a 1st round MAYBE 2nd round pick. Oh and he will be the best 3-4 OLB in the draft.

#12 is too high for Rey. Like said earlier, he IS NOT a 3 down line backer, and I disagree with him being the best ILB in the draft. Go Brinkley

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Larry English in the 5th? :laugh:

He will be a 1st round MAYBE 2nd round pick. Oh and he will be the best 3-4 OLB in the draft.

#12 is too high for Rey. Like said earlier, he IS NOT a 3 down line backer, and I disagree with him being the best ILB in the draft. Go Brinkley

Rey is both more productive and more athletic than Jasper Brinkley. He is a three down line backer, you will see.

Brinkley had a major injury and hasn't played the same since. Rey Maualuga is the top prospect for good reason.

I think that guys mock needs a little work as well.

[housemouse]

Rey is both more productive and more athletic than Jasper Brinkley. He is a three down line backer, you will see.

Brinkley had a major injury and hasn't played the same since. Rey Maualuga is the top prospect for good reason.

I think that guys mock needs a little work as well.

More athletic.......?
How so?


Maualuga- 40 time= 4.70........Bench reps=23....20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59....Broad Jump: 08'11"

Brinkley - 40 time= 4.67........Bench reps=26....20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55....road Jump: 09'06"

[Jack-o-Lantern]

More athletic.......?
How so?


Maualuga- 40 time= 4.70........Bench reps=23....20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59....Broad Jump: 08'11"

Brinkley - 40 time= 4.67........Bench reps=26....20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55....road Jump: 09'06"

Maualuga's best time at USC's pro day was 4.59 and that was with a blister the size of a quarter on his foot and a hamstring that is still not 100%. Take a look for yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4034272

So yes, I would say he is more athletic than Brinkley. You must also take a look at production and Maualuga is easily better in that department.

[housemouse]

Maualuga's best time at USC's pro day was 4.59 and that was with a blister the size of a quarter on his foot and a hamstring that is still not 100%. Take a look for yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4034272

So yes, I would say he is more athletic than Brinkley. You must also take a look at production and Maualuga is easily better in that department.

Brinkleys low 40 was also 4.59.

Maualugas production is higher because of Brinkleys knee injury. But when I watch them play, I admit I see more intensity out of Rey, but Brinkley is a sure tackler and plays smart.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Brinkleys low 40 was also 4.59.

Maualugas production is higher because of Brinkleys knee injury. But when I watch them play, I admit I see more intensity out of Rey, but Brinkley is a sure tackler and plays smart.

I like both of them; they are both beasts. It's just if the choice was mine to make it would be Ray. Ray just needs to learn to wrap up better and take better angles and he will be a better football player.

The problem is, you can't teach a player to play with more intensity or passion and that is why I don't believe Brinkley is the better prospect. He has the measurables but is missing the intangibles.

[housemouse]

As for your mock. If we do get Rey at #12, than the only way I'd be happy is if we got English with #18. And that seems very reasonable.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

As for your mock. If we do get Rey at #12, than the only way I'd be happy is if we got English with #18. And that seems very reasonable.

Actually, I like English better too. I think I'm going to change that.

[housemouse]

Woo.

I guess the reason I never liked Rey much, was because the first time I saw him play this year he overran a play and got knocked on his ass. And after that I've been biased towards him. I guess that now we have two firsts I have slowely inched my way to taking him at #12 and English at #18.

But I still debate that he is not a 3 down backer, and you shouldn't use a first rounder on some one who isn't.

Well I am going to take some time off and think about it, and make a mock soon.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Woo.

I guess the reason I never liked Rey much, was because the first time I saw him play this year he overran a play and got knocked on his ass. And after that I've been biased towards him. I guess that now we have two firsts I have slowely inched my way to taking him at #12 and English at #18.

But I still debate that he is not a 3 down backer, and you shouldn't use a first rounder on some one who isn't.

Well I am going to take some time off and think about it, and make a mock soon.

Well here is some food for thought....

Your opinion is he’s not a 3 down player and I couldn’t disagree more. Rey is known for his ability to blitz from the ILB position. In fact, I would argue that he’s the best blitzing LB in this draft. So imagine if you have a passing situation on 3rd down and long. Why would he be on the bench when at the very least he could blitz the QB forcing a quick pass to the hot read and enabling the defensive backs to make the quick stop and force the punt.

or maybe...

Maualuga didn’t play 3rd down on tape BECAUSE USC HAD 3 OTHER LBs WHO WILL BE DRAFTED IN THE FIRST 40 PICKS OR SO....Immense talent around him...

Just some things to ponder.

Really, any man of that size is going to be a little stiff in the hips, but he impressed the scouts that had doubts at the Senior Bowl practices and I think he will continue to get better with more experience.

[berlownacyo7s]

WARNING:

d) My thoughts on Raji. Raji is a 4-3 DT and hasn't been tested as a NT. He may turn out to be something good, [B]but not if he plays like he did at the Senior bowl; getting manhandled one on one. He will also take time to develop as he hasn't played NT before, so It would be a couple years before we see how good he can truly be. There are just better options next year like Boo Robinson, Mt. Cody or possibly even Vince Oghobaase.




Umm. I heard that Raji was a beast at the Senior Bowl.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Umm. I heard that Raji was a beast at the Senior Bowl.

I didn't think so. I think even his fellow team mate Ron Brace played better. I watched the whole game and didn't really even notice him and he was playing in a 4-3 as a DT, one on one, with an opposing lineman. However, he did impress during senior bowl practices.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Updated with Harrell!!!!

How do you like it now...

[JDDJDD123]

WARNING: Before you read this mock draft here are a few things to keep in mind:

a) There is no predicting where people will be drafted. There are only rough estimates unless you can read the future, so I look to the rough estimates as a basic guideline. Thus, it is called a mock draft and not an actual draft.

b) These are my ideal picks and not McDaniels or Xanders, so some guys probably won't be what "The Man" takes interest in.

c) An early round NT is a big need, but there are better options next year just as there is at the QB position. We have two firsts next year, so hopefully we will be able to better fulfill both of those needs.

d) My thoughts on Raji. Raji is a 4-3 DT and hasn't been tested as a NT. He may turn out to be something good, but not if he plays like he did at the Senior bowl; getting manhandled one on one. He will also take time to develop as he hasn't played NT before, so It would be a couple years before we see how good he can truly be. There are just better options next year like Boo Robinson, Mt. Cody or possibly even Vince Oghobaase.

c) This is for fun.....so enjoy, make comments and ask any questions you might have. Just remember these are my thoughts and my thoughts alone. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them.


JACK-O-MOCK DRAFT

1-12) Rey Maualuga - ILB

Our biggest problem on defense is that we can't stop the run. If you can't stop the run then the opposing team will not pass as much, will control the clock and have more control over the overall dictation of the game. If we don't pick Rey here the Chargers will draft him before our next pick. Rey is the best 3-4 SILB in the draft and will make a major impact against stopping the run, giving us a reason to draft an OLB at our next pick as the opposing team will be forced to pass more frequently. Most of all, Maualuga is a playmaking leader and is as disruptive as they come in the backfield. He is definitely a good option at #12.

1-18) Larry English - OLB

This pick could also very easily be Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews. One thing is for sure, one of these talents will be around when we pick giving us a major upgrade to our current OLB corps. We do need a pass rush and here is the opportunity to pick it up in the first with a few good options still left on the board to choose from.

2-48) Patrick Chung or William Moore - SS

Brian Dawkins only has a couple years left in him and with little good depth we could use a good safety to groom. William Moore had a down year partially because of injury and was considered a ball-hawking first round talent last year. Patrick Chung is a the harder hitter of the two and has major upside. I would be extremely happy with either of these picks in the second.

3-79) Shonn Greene - RB

This is a guy that McDaniels probably won't go for even though he can make a major impact. He has a hard running style and doesn't go down on first contact. Shonn has the ability to keep the sticks moving. I really think bigger backs work better with our ZBS as our linemen aren't the biggest guys in the NFL. Unfortunately, McDaniels comes from the school of the Patriots and probably likes sissy elusive backs with baby soft hands that go down on first contact.

3-84) David Veikune or Zach Follett - OLB

We could use a little extra comfort in the OLB department and these guys are great pickups at this point. Zach is a very productive OLB in the 3-4 and can lay a big hit. While, David Veikune dominated but is untested with top tier talent, however, has the potential to be a good surprise pickup.

4-114) Mitch King - DE

We will be playing a Hybrid Defense next year. With that in mind I could see King lining up as a DT in the 4-3 or a DE in the 3-4. He will never be a 320 lb. lineman, currently at 280 lbs., but makes up for it with his violent aggressive play and great technique. He will make it, against the odds, at the next level.

5-149) A.Q. Shipley - C

I think he is the best prospect for our ZBS and we need it. With our aging center and only Lichtensteiger as an option Shipley will bring solidity to our line for years to come. His accomplishments at the collegiate ranks speak volumes of the man.

6-185) Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Taylor - NT

We aren't going to get a superstar NT this year, it's just probably not in our cards. However, these guys have the ability to be project players and could make for some good depth. Terrance Taylor was considered a first round pick before his downhill slide of a bad year, but still could work out at either NT or maybe even DE in the 3-4. Sammie Lee Hill is big and athletic but untested as a NT and against top competition. Either guy would at least give us some depth and hope for the future.

7-225) Graham Harrell - QB

A late round QB that I can see McDaniels picking up as a project to develop. Sure his numbers are inflated due to the spread and the competition he faced, but there is something to be said for his poise and accuracy he showed in the pocket throughout the years. Also, he was a Heisman candidate and led his team to an undefeated season.

7-235) Rulon Davis - DE

Rulon Davis has an injury history, but at this point in the game nobody has a first round resume. When Rulon is healthy he is a disruptive force and has very high character. He has the ideal height and size and intangibles to make it as a good DE in the 3-4.

FA) Rich Ohrnberger - OG

A fellow O-lineman that dominated in the trenches with A.Q. Shippley. We could use a little more competition at OG as we will soon need a replacement. I think Rich is underrated as he has held his own over the years in the ZBS.

:DIf the draft happened anything like this......I might just crap my pants.:D


I really like this draft. The first pick is of course my favorite and I think we would absolutely want Rey Maualuga. Larry English is a good pick even though we might be able to get Everette Brown or even go RB. Your second round pick is off because we need DL's and unfortunately you think we could just get scrubs to plug in there. We are very likely to either get Gilbert or Brace in the second round. However, I wouldn't really care much if we went safety in the second round.

[JDDJDD123]

Brinkleys low 40 was also 4.59.

Maualugas production is higher because of Brinkleys knee injury. But when I watch them play, I admit I see more intensity out of Rey, but Brinkley is a sure tackler and plays smart.

If Maualuga is a big hitter, how is he not a sure tackler????
Maualuga is the captain of the most talented defense in the nation but yet Brinkley is better. Brinkley has a terrible knee injury and doesn't do as great when he comes back and Maualuga leads his team in tackles that year but Brinkley makes more of an impact? I don't think you think logically.

[MHS]

If Maualuga is a big hitter, how is he not a sure tackler????
Maualuga is the captain of the most talented defense in the nation but yet Brinkley is better. Brinkley has a terrible knee injury and doesn't do as great when he comes back and Maualuga leads his team in tackles that year but Brinkley makes more of an impact? I don't think you think logically.

i think he means that rey can deliver the hit but at times does not wrap his arms around the player well making it easy for the player to get out of the tackles

[Dr. Incredible!]

i like the mock jack
you have reallly good picks just about every where
but i really want orakpo:td:

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I really like this draft. The first pick is of course my favorite and I think we would absolutely want Rey Maualuga. Larry English is a good pick even though we might be able to get Everette Brown or even go RB. Your second round pick is off because we need DL's and unfortunately you think we could just get scrubs to plug in there. We are very likely to either get Gilbert or Brace in the second round. However, I wouldn't really care much if we went safety in the second round.

The fact is that we have 8 DL guys, that are 300+ lbs.(Okay 1 is at 288 lbs.), on the roster right now that are going to compete for 3 positions on the d-line in the 3-4. That right there is some pretty good competition. I have a lot of hope that Powell and Thomas will thrive in the 3-4.

I admit that we need impact players, but I really think it is going to take a couple years before we can truly meet all of our needs on defense.

So, what I notice is people are either focusing on the d-line early in the draft or focusing on the LBs.

I personally think that there is a better pool of talent for the D-line in next years draft. I feel Raji is just the best of a weak class. That being said I really wouldn't mind if we go DL early in the draft this year, but feel we will better meet our needs in the long run if we wait until next year.

In the end it is all just personal oppinion. Really, if we go D-line early then I expect us to go with Lbs next year (ala Brandon Spikes) and vice versa.

....and a top notch saftey in the 2nd round to groom would also be nice; you have to admit.:D

I think the problem is a lot of people think we can solve all of our problems in a single off season. Unfortunately, we are in a lot of tranzition right now and nobody really knows where we stand. We will just have to see how it pans out, but it will take time before we work all the kinks out of the new system. Just don't expect us to fill all of our holes overnight because it probably isn't going to happen.

...that being said......

GO BRONCOS!!!

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Jack-o-Mock is now updated with video vignettes or combine drills, if vignettes weren't available, from NFL.com . :D

AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIGNETTES!!!!

[JDDJDD123]

The fact is that we have 8 DL guys, that are 300+ lbs.(Okay 1 is at 288 lbs.), on the roster right now that are going to compete for 3 positions on the d-line in the 3-4. That right there is some pretty good competition. I have a lot of hope that Powell and Thomas will thrive in the 3-4.

I admit that we need impact players, but I really think it is going to take a couple years before we can truly meet all of our needs on defense.

So, what I notice is people are either focusing on the d-line early in the draft or focusing on the LBs.

I personally think that there is a better pool of talent for the D-line in next years draft. I feel Raji is just the best of a weak class. That being said I really wouldn't mind if we go DL early in the draft this year, but feel we will better meet our needs in the long run if we wait until next year.

In the end it is all just personal oppinion. Really, if we go D-line early then I expect us to go with Lbs next year (ala Brandon Spikes) and vice versa.

....and a top notch saftey in the 2nd round to groom would also be nice; you have to admit.:D

I think the problem is a lot of people think we can solve all of our problems in a single off season. Unfortunately, we are in a lot of tranzition right now and nobody really knows where we stand. We will just have to see how it pans out, but it will take time before we work all the kinks out of the new system. Just don't expect us to fill all of our holes overnight because it probably isn't going to happen.

...that being said......

GO BRONCOS!!!

I'm sorry but you have too much faith in our players. You might even be biased towards them. You expect us to have Ron Fields/Marcus Thomas starting at NT? Who will even be our DE in the 3-4? The fact is we have the worst line in all of football. We cannot go through a whole year expecting to win with no NTs and questionable DEs. We need to get one in the second round if not in the first round. We just need depth in the backfield. You just WANT a DB in the early rounds, when it is not actually a need. We need DLs and LBs. BJ Raji and Ron Brace are the only NT prospects in the draft and we need to get at least one of them unless we get a DE instead.

[WestwoodsBronco]

I like rey...but not at 12 but other then that the mock is like whatever to me

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I like rey...but not at 12 but other then that the mock is like whatever to me

We will most likely not be able to get ray later in the draft at pick #18. He may even go before we pick. I promise that the Chargers will grab him in a second if he is still there.

There is more first round talent at all of the other positions to consider, such as D-line, OLB, even CB if we choose to go that route. All of these positions will have talent available for us to choose from at the 18th pick.

If we don't get Rey this year I would want Spikes next year, but who knows if we will be in position to get him next year. This year we were lucky enough to have a pick high enough to consider Maualuga.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I'm sorry but you have too much faith in our players. You might even be biased towards them. You expect us to have Ron Fields/Marcus Thomas starting at NT? Who will even be our DE in the 3-4? The fact is we have the worst line in all of football. We cannot go through a whole year expecting to win with no NTs and questionable DEs. We need to get one in the second round if not in the first round. We just need depth in the backfield. You just WANT a DB in the early rounds, when it is not actually a need. We need DLs and LBs. BJ Raji and Ron Brace are the only NT prospects in the draft and we need to get at least one of them unless we get a DE instead.

Okay, here we go........:D

I'm sorry but you have too much faith in our players. You might even be biased towards them.

Just because I say I have hope doesn't mean that I think we are talented on the line. Hope is just showing support; it does not connote not upgrading our current talent. If I could pick any player to be on our line at any position, then none of the current names would be on our roster.

You expect us to have Ron Fields/Marcus Thomas starting at NT?

As it stands right now it is between Ron Fields, J'Vonne Parker, Marcus Thomas and Matthias Askew. We will add someone from the draft, I can almost guarantee it, but probably in later rounds.
Here is the reasoning behind this. If there is a better talent pool next year, and there is, why pick second tier talent high in the draft this year to develop. It just doesn't make sense. In the long run we will be better off picking superior talent in next year's draft at the NT position.

Who will even be our DE in the 3-4?

Our current possibilities for DE in the 3-4 are Carlton Powell, Kenny Peterson, Nick Clemons, Darrell Reid, Marcus Thomas, Matthais Askew, Ryan McBean and possibly Tim Crowder.
Now, do we need an upgrade? Yes, but we won't know to what extent until we put these guys to the test. That being said, I wouldn't be upset if we did get someone like Ziggy Hood or Tyson Jackson to help on our line.

The fact is we have the worst line in all of football. We cannot go through a whole year expecting to win with no NTs and questionable DEs. We need to get one in the second round if not in the first round.

We do need a major overhaul all over the field! The fact is we can not fill all of our needs in this one draft and offseason. I think people have really high and unreasonable expectations for a single offseason. If we are smart we will fill any of our positions of need with the best player available, while looking at talent of future drafts and FA. We can then gauge the talent and see if it is a position that we should wait on or draft now with the current players available.

We aren't going to be a superstar team overnight.......It just doesn't happen.

We just need depth in the backfield. You just WANT a DB in the early rounds, when it is not actually a need.

We have no talent in the backfield after this year, unless you believe Dawkins will last forever and Barrett is our next star in the backfield. Even if Barrett does turn out to be good we will still need another safety. What will happen if one of them get injured? Then we will have very mediocre talent on the field. We can get the top safety prospects in the second round and I think they would make a fine addition to our team.

We need DLs and LBs.

....and a QB, RB, OG, SS, CB among other things. We have needs all over the field. However, I agree that our priorities should be focued in the DL and LB's. Again, don't expect us to fill all of our needs in just one draft. It is simply unrealistic.

BJ Raji and Ron Brace are the only NT prospects in the draft and we need to get at least one of them unless we get a DE instead.

I don't mind if we go D-line early in the draft, but I would rather not waste a high draft pick on a NT when there are better prospects next year. Again, have patience and wait until next year and we will be highly rewarded. Patience is a virtue. If you must get a NT in this draft there are other later round prospects to look at. It just doesn't make sense to waste a high draft pick on lesser talent just because of supply and demand.

[Orange-and-Blue]

i am 100% sold on patrick chung and will be jumping like a mad man in my living room if we pick him up he is a ballhawk and also loves to bring the wood
perfecct compliment to dawkins smash mouth football two safeties that make recievers think twice about coming over the middle.. dawkins is slowing down so i expect him more coming up in the box but chung has 4.5 speed and is an absolute ballhawk my perfect mock would be

1 raji/rey/ziggy hood

1b connor barwin/tyson jackson

2 patrick chung/maybe ron brace but prefer chung

3a macho harris

3b shonn green

4 BPA

5 BPA

6 graham harrel/rhett bomar

7 graham gano

patrick chung below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_37qMvwSMwo

[housemouse]

Wait I have a question..


People say Rey IS a 3 down backer, why do we need one?
Don't we have DJ for that?

[Goatmaster]

Wait I have a question..


People say Rey IS a 3 down backer, why do we need one?
Don't we have DJ for that?

you are right, they are wrong

[Jack-o-Lantern]

Wait I have a question..


People say Rey IS a 3 down backer, why do we need one?
Don't we have DJ for that?

If we don't get a three down linebacker, then chances are that we will have to make quick substitutions at certain points in the game which could make us call more unnecessary time-outs just to get situated on the field.

I really don't know why people are so hard on Rey when it comes to coverage. You know, he played on third downs at USC and did just fine, but could work a little more on the man to man coverage. I think he will only get better as he gets more seasoned.

However, do you know who got pulled off the field on third downs????

Brian Cushing!!!!!.....and some people are super high on him around here....Makes you wonder; doesn't it?!?!?

[dogman67156]

This draft here makes me think of a person getting ready for the senior prom and going out and buying a swimsuit and sandles to wear to it! Denver has no NT and poor excuses for 3-4 DE's so lets not address the problems areas until the 4th round for DE and 6th round for NT??? If Denver drafts this way, the owner ought to fire the entire staff! Denvers LB's are at much better than their front line, so lets draft two of them in the first round and three in the first 3 rounds? I could see drafting a safety early (due to th age of our DB's) but totally ignoring the DL????

[broncofansd]

Not the best mock draft I have seen



I like Rey Maualuga - he would bring the Hard Hitting back like Al Wilson use to.


Larry English at 18????? No thanks. Will take a couple of years to transition to OLB. 2nd Round Pick only.


Patrick Chung in the 2nd Round is OK but you have done nothing at the D Line. Ron Brace is the pick.


David Veikune is the same type player as English.


Just overall not a great day. Our #1 need NT and #2 OLB

[housemouse]

Not the best mock draft I have seen



I like Rey Maualuga - he would bring the Hard Hitting back like Al Wilson use to.


Larry English at 18????? No thanks. Will take a couple of years to transition to OLB. 2nd Round Pick only.


Patrick Chung in the 2nd Round is OK but you have done nothing at the D Line. Ron Brace is the pick.


David Veikune is the same type player as English.


Just overall not a great day. Our #1 need NT and #2 OLB


If you actually watched players play than you'd have some respect around here.

For example, your saying that Veikune and English are the same type of player.
Why because they don't have 40's as fast as Matthews?
These players play differently, very differently.

This just shows your ignorance.

[JDDJDD123]

Not the best mock draft I have seen



I like Rey Maualuga - he would bring the Hard Hitting back like Al Wilson use to.


Larry English at 18????? No thanks. Will take a couple of years to transition to OLB. 2nd Round Pick only.


Patrick Chung in the 2nd Round is OK but you have done nothing at the D Line. Ron Brace is the pick.


David Veikune is the same type player as English.


Just overall not a great day. Our #1 need NT and #2 OLB


100% agree here. Jack, you fail to understand the main needs of our defense. If you want to just keep adding on DBs and get late round DLs, then we would be nowhere. We need a DL that can pass the rusher and stop the run. Thats why people aren't so high on Tyson Jackson. However, you are forgetting that the draft isn't just to get the BPA, it's to actually fill your needs. The fact is we have absolutely no certain starter on the line. Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Andre' Goodman and Renaldo Hill are our starters in the backfield (would you change anything here?). We have only 2 certain starters (or maybe even one) in front 7. LB is a big need and I think we need to address that first. But we must also address DL early as we just need depth in the backfield. This years DB class is very weak and we can address safety next year with one of our first round picks or even with one of our 3rd round picks this year. No matter what, we must get a DL early this year. I would rather have Maualuga, Tyson Jackson and Clint Stintim/Connor Barwin/Ron Brace for the first 3 picks of our draft. (Who's with me?)

[housemouse]

100% agree here. Jack, you fail to understand the main needs of our defense. If you want to just keep adding on DBs and get late round DLs, then we would be nowhere. We need a DL that can pass the rusher and stop the run. Thats why people aren't so high on Tyson Jackson. However, you are forgetting that the draft isn't just to get the BPA, it's to actually fill your needs. The fact is we have absolutely no certain starter on the line. Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Andre' Goodman and Renaldo Hill are our starters in the backfield (would you change anything here?). We have only 2 certain starters (or maybe even one) in front 7. LB is a big need and I think we need to address that first. But we must also address DL early as we just need depth in the backfield. This years DB class is very weak and we can address safety next year with one of our first round picks or even with one of our 3rd round picks this year. No matter what, we must get a DL early this year. I would rather have Maualuga, Tyson Jackson and Clint Stintim/Connor Barwin/Ron Brace for the first 3 picks of our draft. (Who's with me?)
LB is a big need and you think we need to address it first?
You do relize that the first two picks are LB's, and he drafts 3 in the first 3 rounds. Does that not cover the need for LB

Stop adding DB's? He drafted one. Dawkins will be here for I would guess 2 more years, although I think FS should be chosen instead of SS we need youth in the secondary.

I agree with you that Dline is very important, especially NT. Maybe the reason he didn't a pick up a NT that early is because THERE ARE NONE AVAILABLE. Raji would be gone by 12, and the only other high round NT would be Brace, and we'd have to take him at 18 which would be a major reach. And I think he'll be gone by #48.

As for you Jack, I am still iffy about Rey. I don't think I am going to hate on him, or like him. Because I rarely watched him play and haven't seen enough of him.
I think you should change the second round pick to a FS. Dawkins has 2 years, and Barrett should take over by then.

I don't like taking a RB, especially a down-hill runner. I think we have enough RB's on our roster.

[miguel_fdz92]

Larry English in the 5th? :laugh:

He will be a 1st round MAYBE 2nd round pick. Oh and he will be the best 3-4 OLB in the draft.

#12 is too high for Rey. Like said earlier, he IS NOT a 3 down line backer, and I disagree with him being the best ILB in the draft. Go Brinkley

hopefully we do get larry english in the 5th :P

[JDDJDD123]

LB is a big need and you think we need to address it first?
You do relize that the first two picks are LB's, and he drafts 3 in the first 3 rounds. Does that not cover the need for LB

Stop adding DB's? He drafted one. Dawkins will be here for I would guess 2 more years, although I think FS should be chosen instead of SS we need youth in the secondary.

I agree with you that Dline is very important, especially NT. Maybe the reason he didn't a pick up a NT that early is because THERE ARE NONE AVAILABLE. Raji would be gone by 12, and the only other high round NT would be Brace, and we'd have to take him at 18 which would be a major reach. And I think he'll be gone by #48.

As for you Jack, I am still iffy about Rey. I don't think I am going to hate on him, or like him. Because I rarely watched him play and haven't seen enough of him.
I think you should change the second round pick to a FS. Dawkins has 2 years, and Barrett should take over by then.

I don't like taking a RB, especially a down-hill runner. I think we have enough RB's on our roster.

First of all let me make my points clear. I'm not opposed to taking multiple DBs, I'm opposed to taking one in the first two rounds. You obviously agree with me that we need DLs and we need to pick one early. I did not mean that we need to get Ron Brace specifically, I meant that we needed to get a DL early, no matter who it is. Now LB is a big need, not meaning that we need many (a bigger need doesn't necessarily mean more), but rather that we need the best we can get. So yes we do have a big need at both DL and LB and I agree DL is a bigger need. However, as you said, this is a weak class of DLs, so therefore he went LB with the first pick. My main point is that one of the next two must be a DL. Let me make a comparison to help you understand my point. The Lions have many needs. However, to build a franchise, you first must have a franchise quarterback. No matter how good or bad this QB class is, the Lions need to pick a QB with the #1. The same with the Broncos, no matter how bad the DL class is, we need to take one with one of the first three picks.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

First of all let me make my points clear. I'm not opposed to taking multiple DBs, I'm opposed to taking one in the first two rounds. You obviously agree with me that we need DLs and we need to pick one early. I did not mean that we need to get Ron Brace specifically, I meant that we needed to get a DL early, no matter who it is. Now LB is a big need, not meaning that we need many (a bigger need doesn't necessarily mean more), but rather that we need the best we can get. So yes we do have a big need at both DL and LB and I agree DL is a bigger need. However, as you said, this is a weak class of DLs, so therefore he went LB with the first pick. My main point is that one of the next two must be a DL. Let me make a comparison to help you understand my point. The Lions have many needs. However, to build a franchise, you first must have a franchise quarterback. No matter how good or bad this QB class is, the Lions need to pick a QB with the #1. The same with the Broncos, no matter how bad the DL class is, we need to take one with one of the first three picks.

First of all let me make my points clear. I'm not opposed to taking multiple DBs, I'm opposed to taking one in the first two rounds.

Why? We have aging DB's and little depth. The only hope for our future is Josh Barrett. Why not get someone to study under Dawkins? If Dawkins goes down then who will we put in. The reason I chose a SS is because there really isn't anyone special at FS this year. I really think Barrett can play FS and is better than anyone in this draft, so take a SS like Chung who has a similar playing style as Dawkins and we will be set for the future.

You obviously agree with me that we need DLs and we need to pick one early. I did not mean that we need to get Ron Brace specifically, I meant that we needed to get a DL early, no matter who it is.

Why pick up D-linemen when they are in demand so you get 5th round talent
in the 2nd round? Do you understand what I'm saying? If there is a low pool of talent in a draft at a position then players are going to go obscenely high just because of lack of supply. You get less bang for your buck. It makes more sense to wait a year when there will be a plethora of talent for the d-line. Right now we have plenty of untested competition to try out for DE in the 3-4 and even a few guys fighting for the NT spot. That being said, I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if we do pick-up someone like Ziggy Hood or Tyson Jackson with our #18 pick or someone like Moala later in the draft. I just don't want to reach on guys just because they are the only talents in the draft.

Now LB is a big need, not meaning that we need many (a bigger need doesn't necessarily mean more), but rather that we need the best we can get. So yes we do have a big need at both DL and LB and I agree DL is a bigger need.

Sure, you need to get the best players you can get for every pick. The LB class is stacked this year with top tier talent, therefore, we can get great LBs this year with our top picks. Are you starting to understand how I pick players? DL is a need which, unless certain players fall in the draft, we would not be wise to pick. With the demand for the DL high and the supply low, chances are, we would be getting ripped off just because we are impatient and can't wait a year for better talent.

Let me make a comparison to help you understand my point. The Lions have many needs. However, to build a franchise, you first must have a franchise quarterback. No matter how good or bad this QB class is, the Lions need to pick a QB with the #1. The same with the Broncos, no matter how bad the DL class is, we need to take one with one of the first three picks.

So......you're telling me that no matter how good the qb is that you will get, you should get him just because it is a need and you have the first pick in the draft?!?!?!?

No way!!!! Not unless you are totally convinced that the QB is talented enough for that pick. Every team has different needs and different degrees of need at each position. Now, if you can get a star player at a position you go for it, even if it is a position that isn't on top of the need list. As long as you are filling a need and it is with a player that fits you're scheme then you go for it.

If the Lions don't believe that Stafford is a franchise QB then I could very easily see them going with Aaron Curry if they believe he is the better option in the long run.


The bottom line is; if you are willing to settle for a lower level of talent just because it is a need and it is available to you then you are going to have a very mediocre team in the long run.

I'm not saying, "Don't draft for needs". I'm saying,"Draft for needs while considering the level of talent in front of you".

[JDDJDD123]

First of all let me make my points clear. I'm not opposed to taking multiple DBs, I'm opposed to taking one in the first two rounds.

Why? We have aging DB's and little depth. The only hope for our future is Josh Barrett. Why not get someone to study under Dawkins? If Dawkins goes down then who will we put in. The reason I chose a SS is because there really isn't anyone special at FS this year. I really think Barrett can play FS and is better than anyone in this draft, so take a SS like Chung who has a similar playing style as Dawkins and we will be set for the future.

You obviously agree with me that we need DLs and we need to pick one early. I did not mean that we need to get Ron Brace specifically, I meant that we needed to get a DL early, no matter who it is.

Why pick up D-linemen when they are in demand so you get 5th round talent
in the 2nd round? Do you understand what I'm saying? If there is a low pool of talent in a draft at a position then players are going to go obscenely high just because of lack of supply. You get less bang for your buck. It makes more sense to wait a year when there will be a plethora of talent for the d-line. Right now we have plenty of untested competition to try out for DE in the 3-4 and even a few guys fighting for the NT spot. That being said, I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if we do pick-up someone like Ziggy Hood or Tyson Jackson with our #18 pick or someone like Moala later in the draft. I just don't want to reach on guys just because they are the only talents in the draft.

Now LB is a big need, not meaning that we need many (a bigger need doesn't necessarily mean more), but rather that we need the best we can get. So yes we do have a big need at both DL and LB and I agree DL is a bigger need.

Sure, you need to get the best players you can get for every pick. The LB class is stacked this year with top tier talent, therefore, we can get great LBs this year with our top picks. Are you starting to understand how I pick players? DL is a need which, unless certain players fall in the draft, we would not be wise to pick. With the demand for the DL high and the supply low, chances are, we would be getting ripped off just because we are impatient and can't wait a year for better talent.

Let me make a comparison to help you understand my point. The Lions have many needs. However, to build a franchise, you first must have a franchise quarterback. No matter how good or bad this QB class is, the Lions need to pick a QB with the #1. The same with the Broncos, no matter how bad the DL class is, we need to take one with one of the first three picks.

So......you're telling me that no matter how good the qb is that you will get, you should get him just because it is a need and you have the first pick in the draft?!?!?!?

No way!!!! Not unless you are totally convinced that the QB is talented enough for that pick. Every team has different needs and different degrees of need at each position. Now, if you can get a star player at a position you go for it, even if it is a position that isn't on top of the need list. As long as you are filling a need and it is with a player that fits you're scheme then you go for it.

If the Lions don't believe that Stafford is a franchise QB then I could very easily see them going with Aaron Curry if they believe he is the better option in the long run.


The bottom line is; if you are willing to settle for a lower level of talent just because it is a need and it is available to you then you are going to have a very mediocre team in the long run.

I'm not saying, "Don't draft for needs". I'm saying,"Draft for needs while considering the level of talent in front of you".

I hope you don't become our GM. We only need depth in the backfield for the moment and even after next year. I don't see Bailey, Goodman or Dawkins retiring any time soon, maybe Dawkins in 2-3 years. With that said, your logic of us getting a CB/S early (meaning first two rounds) is terrible. We just need a solid #3 and we are fine. The reason to get DL early is because we have no certainty at DE as well as DT. No one is starting material and we need great help. In fact, our #1 need going into this draft is DL. I understand that DL is in great demand and that the lack of talent forces to teams to take 5th round talent in the 2nd round (although that is an exaggeration). However, this works similar to QBs this year. It is similarly in great demand and must be taken by the Lions. Taking Curry #1 would be the stupidest pick ever unless Curry becomes a Hall of Famer. No one wants to pay that much money to a LB and especially someone who won't bring wins. QB is a must for the Lions. Its either trade out and get someone else or get Stafford/Sanchez. QB is their biggest need and they need one now. Yes, im telling you if a team has a need so big, that they need to pass on the so called "safest pick in the draft" to take their position of need, they need to do it. To give you an idea, the Raiders took Jamarcus Russell with the #1 pick in 2007. Calvin Johnson was the greatest talent seen in many years (not even comparable to Curry) and the Raiders took Russell instead. So yes, teams rebuilding a franchise will tend to take QBs #1 overall even if they can get the best talent. Im not saying every team would do this, only teams rebuilding a franchise. (Only in this case)

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I hope you don't become our GM. We only need depth in the backfield for the moment and even after next year. I don't see Bailey, Goodman or Dawkins retiring any time soon, maybe Dawkins in 2-3 years. With that said, your logic of us getting a CB/S early (meaning first two rounds) is terrible. We just need a solid #3 and we are fine. The reason to get DL early is because we have no certainty at DE as well as DT. No one is starting material and we need great help. In fact, our #1 need going into this draft is DL. I understand that DL is in great demand and that the lack of talent forces to teams to take 5th round talent in the 2nd round (although that is an exaggeration). However, this works similar to QBs this year. It is similarly in great demand and must be taken by the Lions. Taking Curry #1 would be the stupidest pick ever unless Curry becomes a Hall of Famer. No one wants to pay that much money to a LB and especially someone who won't bring wins. QB is a must for the Lions. Its either trade out and get someone else or get Stafford/Sanchez. QB is their biggest need and they need one now. Yes, im telling you if a team has a need so big, that they need to pass on the so called "safest pick in the draft" to take their position of need, they need to do it. To give you an idea, the Raiders took Jamarcus Russell with the #1 pick in 2007. Calvin Johnson was the greatest talent seen in many years (not even comparable to Curry) and the Raiders took Russell instead. So yes, teams rebuilding a franchise will tend to take QBs #1 overall even if they can get the best talent. Im not saying every team would do this, only teams rebuilding a franchise. (Only in this case)

I hope you don't become our GM. We only need depth in the backfield for the moment and even after next year. I don't see Bailey, Goodman or Dawkins retiring any time soon, maybe Dawkins in 2-3 years. With that said, your logic of us getting a CB/S early (meaning first two rounds) is terrible. We just need a solid #3 and we are fine.

Here is how I reason it. Dawkins, while he is good, is getting older. Just like John Lynch, whom lost his job the final year because he could not play at the high level he once could. Also, as you get older you are more injury prone. It is just a sad fact of life. We would be wise to think for the future and draft a good SS to learn under Dawkins while he is still around. We would then have young players incase someone goes down and a very solid #3 for the year. I think Patrick Chung best fits the mold for this scenario as Josh Barrett is definitely capable of playing as FS. I was impressed how he shut down Tony Gonzalez last year as a rookie and think he will only get better in coverage situations.

The reason to get DL early is because we have no certainty at DE as well as DT. No one is starting material and we need great help. In fact, our #1 need going into this draft is DL.

As I posted earlier, I would not mind if we draft for the d-line early. I understand it is a need, but I don't want to reach on talent if it's not around. I would rather wait a year and get better talent for my picks. That is the difference between our draft philosophies. You feel that just because it is a top need we need to draft high for it. I feel we have many needs and we should use our picks to draft top talent players at any position of need on the team.

Do you see the difference this will make in the long run? Your way of picking, you will be almost constantly settling for a player instead of picking the player you feel is a best fit for the team. Down the road this could lead to a long list of mediocre talent as the player you end up with is only a shadow of the player that would have fit the system. Do you really want to fill your top needs with average talent instead of waiting a year and getting a better prospect for your top priority? It just doesn't make sense.

I understand that DL is in great demand and that the lack of talent forces to teams to take 5th round talent in the 2nd round (although that is an exaggeration). However, this works similar to QBs this year. It is similarly in great demand and must be taken by the Lions. Taking Curry #1 would be the stupidest pick ever unless Curry becomes a Hall of Famer. No one wants to pay that much money to a LB and especially someone who won't bring wins. QB is a must for the Lions. Its either trade out and get someone else or get Stafford/Sanchez. QB is their biggest need and they need one now. Yes, im telling you if a team has a need so big, that they need to pass on the so called "safest pick in the draft" to take their position of need, they need to do it. To give you an idea, the Raiders took Jamarcus Russell with the #1 pick in 2007. Calvin Johnson was the greatest talent seen in many years (not even comparable to Curry) and the Raiders took Russell instead. So yes, teams rebuilding a franchise will tend to take QBs #1 overall even if they can get the best talent. Im not saying every team would do this, only teams rebuilding a franchise. (Only in this case)

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I feel you should try to do your best at picking a pro bowl type player in a position of need with top picks. You would rather draft for priority of need while not addressing the talent level of the players, just picking from who is in front of you. There are different teams that draft by different philosophies and that is just the way it is, just like we have different draft philosophies.

I'm not saying that I am right, but my way of picking players just makes more sense to me. I'm sure you feel the same way about your way of picking players.

[chazoe60]

I really like your draft a lot Jack. I am in agreement with you on Raji, I just think he is a bust waiting to happen and is benefiting from being the best in a very weak class of DT/NT types. I never like grabbing a player just because he fills a need. It's just my opinion, but I think Raji will end up upsetting wichever team drafts him.

The one question I have is; it seems to me we have a lot of SS talent on the team both old and young. I like Barret and thought he played pretty well and I believe he is a SS and not a FS. Is there maybe a FS option in round two instead of SS? I have heard of the guy from Alabama Rashad Johnson:confused: could he be a good FS option in round two?

[kerkhoff1]

I agree with Jack, lets face it we are in a semi rebuilding mood, we will still be competive but right now we have about 3-4 good defenders is all and noone knows how Orton and the new system will work. We HAVE to look at this as a two year project! We have needs everywhere on defense, take the best value we can get at that pick its the only way down the road we become great defensively

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I really like your draft a lot Jack. I am in agreement with you on Raji, I just think he is a bust waiting to happen and is benefiting from being the best in a very weak class of DT/NT types. I never like grabbing a player just because he fills a need. It's just my opinion, but I think Raji will end up upsetting wichever team drafts him.

The one question I have is; it seems to me we have a lot of SS talent on the team both old and young. I like Barret and thought he played pretty well and I believe he is a SS and not a FS. Is there maybe a FS option in round two instead of SS? I have heard of the guy from Alabama Rashad Johnson:confused: could he be a good FS option in round two?

Maybe I am being a little bias when it comes to the SS prospects. I really like both William Moore and Patrick Chung as players.

I do believe that Barrett is athletic enough in coverage to be a FS, but perhaps his more natural position is SS.

I am going to throw in Louis Delmas as a 2nd round option in my mock....................................Eventually I listen when things get banged into my skull hard enough.:hammer:

[beastlyskronk]

I don't see how anyone could say any big DT can't play the 3-4 in the NFL because hardly any of them do in college. Raji can play the NT in the NFL. And he had a great week at the Senior Bowl. He was the one manhandling people. He went in a mid to late first round pick and came out a top 15 pick. Here's a little article about his Senior Bowl

B.J. Raji/DT/Boston College: Raji walks away from Senior Bowl practices as the unquestionable big winner. He was unblockable each and every day. Raji manhandled opponents in one-on-one drills then collapsed the pocket in scrimmage when he faced double team blocks. Coming into the week Raji was considered a mid-to-late first-round pick but he enters the game now ranked as a top 15 selection.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

I don't see how anyone could say any big DT can't play the 3-4 in the NFL because hardly any of them do in college. Raji can play the NT in the NFL. And he had a great week at the Senior Bowl. He was the one manhandling people. He went in a mid to late first round pick and came out a top 15 pick. Here's a little article about his Senior Bowl

I think there is a possibility he may work out at NT, but I see better prospects next year. He did good in practice, but I didn't see him drawing double teams at the senior bowl game itself. They contained him well in the 4-3 as a DT and that is a little worrisome to me.

Plus, we will probably have to trade up to get him; losing valuable picks just because it is a weak draft class for NT prospects. I promise that Raji wouldn't be the top prospect if there was a bigger pool of players like there will be next year.

[beastlyskronk]

This draft class is just as strong as next year's at NT. Next season I only see 3 real NTs and those are Cody, maybe Boo Robinson, and Kellen Heard. Also Mike Nolan apparently loves BJ Raji so don't be too surprised if we take him.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

This draft class is just as strong as next year's at NT. Next season I only see 3 real NTs and those are Cody, maybe Boo Robinson, and Kellen Heard. Also Mike Nolan apparently loves BJ Raji so don't be too surprised if we take him.


The top prospects at NT are Raji and his backup Brace.....that says something right there.

Next draft class you have the following prospects to look at:


Dan Williams

Ekom Udofia

Torrell Troup

Jarvis Jenkins

Boo Robinson

Vince Oghobaase

Kellen Heard

Ndamukong Suh

Trey Bryant

Kade Weston

Ect......

[beastlyskronk]

The top prospects at NT are Raji and his backup Brace.....that says something right there.

Next draft class you have the following prospects to look at:


Terrence Cody - NT

Jarvis Jenkins - needs to put on a little more weight but could play it

Boo Robinson - same as Jenkins

Vince Oghobaase - too small, 4-3 NT

Kellen Heard - NT

Ndamukong Suh - too small

Torrell Troup - Could play NT

Trey Bryant - too small

Kade Weston - needs to add a little more weight until then 4-3 NT

Ect......

The top 3-4 NTs in this draft are

Raji
Brace
Baker
Sammie Lee Hill
Vaugn Martin
Antonio Dixon

But if we were going by your standards of a 3-4 NT it would be

Raji
Brace
Baker
Dorell Scott
Hill
Knighton
Roy Miller
Nader Abdullah
Myron Pryor
Martin
Khaliff Mitchell
Dixon
Marlon Favorite

[Jack-o-Lantern]

The top 3-4 NTs in this draft are

Raji
Brace
Baker
Sammie Lee Hill
Vaugn Martin
Antonio Dixon

But if we were going by your standards of a 3-4 NT it would be

Raji
Brace
Baker
Dorell Scott
Hill
Knighton
Roy Miller
Nader Abdullah
Myron Pryor
Martin
Khaliff Mitchell
Dixon
Marlon Favorite

I think there is a higher talent level next year. Size isn't everything...and still think we are better off waiting instead of trading up for Raji.

I would choose Mt. Cody or Boo Robinson over Raji any day and chances are one will fall to one of our first round picks next year.