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MindField
04-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Here are my projections on the first two rounds of the draft, as well as the Broncos selections. No trades, etc, just picks based on their value as I see it.
First Round:
1.) Detroit: QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia 6'2 1/2"-228
NFL player comparison: Chicago QB Jay Cutler.
I am sure Detroit does not want to make this pick, and who can
blame them? The draft system is broken, and there is no way you should have to pay the kind of contract Stafford will command. If I were the Lions, I would seriously consider not making a selection with this pick, and taking Stafford or Sanchez after four or five picks. The NFL has to get this flawed system fixed.
2.) St. Louis: OT Jason Smith, Baylor 6'5"-308
NFL player comparison: Seattle OLT Walter Jones.
At 6'5"-308, Smith has the incredible athetic skills you look for in a LT, and the last time the Rams made this kind of pick they selected Orlando Pace, and got a ten year run out of him. Smith has that kind of potential.
3.) Kansas City: OLB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
NFL Comparision: Tennessee OLB Keith Bullock
Curry may be the best player in the entire draft, and is an obvious pick here for the Chiefs. However, he is not a great fot for a 3-4, because you typically would not make this kind of pick if you are going to move him inside, and Curry has not shown he is a pure pass rusher to come off the edge. Like Glen Dorsey a year ago, Curry just does not seem to fit what the Chiefs want to do, but he will be the 'best player available' when the Chiefs make this pick.
4.) Seattle: DT B.J. Raji, Boston College 6'1 1/2"-334
NFL comparison: Former Seahawk DT Cortez Kennedy.
Mark Sanchez may get some consideration here, as I am sure Eugene Monroe will, but in the end, Mora is a defensive guy, and with the loss of Rocky Bernard among others, the D-Line needs an infusion of talent. The wildcard here is the alleged failed drug test for Raji. However he and his agent are denying it. If it is true, all bets are off for Raji. If it isn't, I expect he will go Top 5 because DT's of his grade are typically overdrafted.
5.) Cleveland: QB Mark Sanchez, USC 6'2 1/2"-225
NFL Comparison: NY Giants QB Eli Manning
In a bit if a suprise, I think the Browns take the USC QB. Reports are that Mangini is not enamored with Brady Quinn, and I tend to believe that. Sanchez is the answer if that is the case, because there are teams interested in trading for Quinn (although I hope the Broncos aren't one), and Derek Anderson still has two years left on his contract to allow Sanchez to grow into the job. Also, look for Braylon Edwards to be traded to the NY Giants.
6.) Cincinnati: OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia 6'5"-315
NFL Comparison: Pittsburgh OLT Marvel Smith.
To me, this pick really has to come down to the choice between Monroe,
and Texas Tech WR Michael Crabtree. Crabtree would allow the Bengals to
move Ocho Stincho, but the Bengals also have serious issues at OT. In the end, I think Marvin Lewis goes with the solid choice in Monroe.
7.) Oakland: WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech 6'1"-204
NFL comparison: Indianapolis WR Reggie Wayne
After taking JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden before him, Crabtree will give the Raiders their very expensive version of the 'triplets.' If you are a Raider fan, you are hoping Crabtree works out better than the other two have so far.
8.) Jacksonville: OLT Andre Smith, Alabama 6'4"-332
NFL comparison: Former Cowboy OT Erik Williams
This is a perfect fit for Smith. He is best suited for a power running team
that asks their OT's to be better run blockers than pass blockers. The Jaguars also have a major need at this position, and current Alabama Head Coach Nick Saban is telling anyone who will listen what kind of player someone will be getting with Smith. Someone is going to listen.
9.) Green Bay: OLB Brian Orakpo, Texas 6'3"-263
NFL Comparison: San Diego OLB Shawne Merriman.
Orakpo is the kind of player the Packers need in a move to a 3-4. They have not been able to pressure the QB, and their defense paid the price last year. A rusher of Orakpo's talent is must if they want to turn that around.
10.) San Francisco: OLB Aaron Maybin, Penn St. 6'3 1/2"-250
NFL comparison: Detroit OLB Julian Peterson
To me, this choice will come down to Maybin, or Florida St. DE/OLB Everette Brown. The 49ers absolutley HAVE to have a pass rusher. Manny Lawson has been a bust, and beyond him, there just is not much else. In the end, I think Brown will be slightly discounted for his lack of height (6'1 1/2"), and Maybin has shown he can rush from either side, and has one of the quickest first steps in the draft. Maybin has flaws in his game, but rushing the QB is not one of them.
11.) Buffalo: CB/S Malcom Jenkins, Ohio St. 6'0"-202
NFL Comparison: Arizona DB Antrelle Rolle.
This pick will simply fall under the 'best player available' category, and Jenkins will grade out as that. He will probably be converted to Safety, but will add much needed cover skills in nickle packages, and will give the Bills some depth in their secondary.
12.) Denver: DE Tyson Jackson, LSU 6'4 1/2"-298
NFL comparison: New England DE Ty Warren
Jackson is probably a slight reach here, but Head Coach Josh McDaniels has said he wants to get bigger and more physical along the D-line, and to run a 3-4, you have to do that. At least the Broncos would get the No. 1 5-technique DE in the draft, and a legit anchor for the strong side. Jackson is also well groomed for NFL battle hailing from the SEC, and has the versatilty to play in 3-4 or 4-3 sets. You would also get Jackson under a six year contract, so he is a piece you can re-build the defense around.
13.) Washington: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri 6'0"-202
NFL comparison: New England WR Joey Galloway
Again, the 'best player available' concept is in play here, and Santana Moss
is getting older. Maclin is a dynamic player that can help right away on kick returns, and be a deep threat for Jason Campbell. He has the kind of playmaking ability that can change games.
14.) New Orleans: DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee 6'3"-272
NFL Comparison: NY Giants DE Justin Tuck
Ayers has enjoyed a meteoric rise up the draft charts. I am not sure it is justified for a guy that did it for just one year, but he has had a sensational offseason. The Saints always seem to be searching for that DE that can give them consistency on the edge of their D-line, and Ayers would provide another option. Ohio St RB Chris 'Beanbag' Wells may be in play here as well.
15.) Houston: ILB Rey Maualuga, USC 6'2 1/2"-255
NFL Comparison: Miami ILB Channing Crowder
The Texans are seemingly always searching for defense, and have added some more parts on the D-line this offseason. Maualuga is a 4-3 MLB at heart, and a great fit for the Texans. It would also keep him away from the Chargers.
16.) San Diego: LB Brian Cushing, USC 6'3"-255
NFL comparison: Former NFL LB Bill Romanowski
The Chargers are a little thin at LB with Merriman's recovery still a question mark, and Cushing can play inside or out. Like Luis Castillo is a positive steroid test waiting to happen.
17.) NY Jets: OLB/DE Everette Brown, Florida St. 6'1 1/2"-256
NFL comparison: Pittsburgh OLB/DE James Harrison
Brown is still a little too one-dimensional right now, but Rex Ryan loves
pass rushers and believes you can never have enough. Additionally, last years No. 1 pick, Vernon Gohlston was disappointing. The Jets could also reach for Kansas St. QB Josh Freeman with this pick.
18.) Denver: RB Donald Brown, UConn 5'10"-210
NFL Comparision: Former NFL RB Emmitt Smith
Aside from Tennessee DE Robert Ayers, Brown could realize the greatest rise of any player in the draft. He has already gone from the late second round to late first, and is gaining momentum from there. Personally, I am convinced he won't last past New England's pick at #23. Brown is cut from the same mold as Emmitt Smith...a smaller guy that avoids the knockout hit, and has incredible durability. He can also catch the ball, and has home run speed if he gets a crease. He is also a great fit for a zone-blocking system. Brown is simply one of my favorite players in this draft, and my bet for Rookie of the Year if he lands with a decent team. The Broncos also need to stop, once and for all, their merry-go-round at RB. Brown would also be the best player available since there would be no D-line or LB prospects worth taking here.
This could also be a pick that the Broncos may be able to trade down with.
19.) Tampa Bay: QB Josh Freeman, Kansas St. 6'5"-230
NFL Comparison: Former NFL QB Randall Cunningham
Freeman may end up being the Jets selection at #17, but if he gets to 19, I would be suprised if former K State assistant, and new Bucs Head Coach Raheem Morris, does not make him their pick.
20.) Detroit: OT Michael Oher, Mississippi 6'5"-310
NFL comparison: Indianapolis OLT Tony Ugoh.
Oher is talented but raw. I would not feel comfortable taking him in the first round, but the Lions can afford the risk with their multiple selections on day one.
21.) Philadelphia: RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia 5'11"-212
NFL comparison: Redskins RB Clinton Portis without the 4.4 speed.
Moreno is tough and durable, and if he had home run speed, would be a higher pick. Still, he is very good value for the Eagles at 21.
22.) Minnesota: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland 6'2"-210
NFL comparison: Browns WR Braylon Edwards.
The Vikings always seem to need WR help, and Heyward-Bey is a talented, if unpolished WR prospect.
Picks 23-32, Round 2 and a complete Broncos Mock to follow.
MindField
04-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Round 1 cont., picks 23-32
23.) New England: OLB Clay Matthews, USC 6'3"-242
NFL comparison: His Dad, and former Browns LB Clay Matthews, Sr.
Bill Belichick is an NFL historian, and knows what kind of player Clay Matthews, Sr
was. Clay Jr. is cut from the same cloth, and provides the kind of versatility and
team play Wild Bill wants from his LB's.
24.) Atlanta: TE Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma St. 6'5"-262
NFL comparison: Former NE TE Ben Coates
Only a pedestrian 40 time has pushed Pettigrew down into the 20's,
allowing a team like the Falcons to get a very good player.
25.) Miami: CB Vontae Davis, Illinois 5'11"-198
NFL comparison: Baltimore CB Samari Rolle
A good player that could go higher, and one that has a nose for the ball.
26.) Baltimore: WR/KR Percy Harvin, Florida 5'11"-192
NFL comparison: New Orleans' multi-faceted Reggie Bush
When in doubt, take a playmaker.
27.) Indianapolis: DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi 6'1"-298
NFL comparison: Former Bucs/Colts DT 'Booger' MacFarland
Jerry is exactly what the Colts look for in their DT's.
28.) Philadelphia: S Louis Delmas, Western Michigan 6'0"-201
NFL comparison: NY Giants S Kenny Phillips
Delmas could suprise some and sneak into the first round, and is also a good
choice to replace Brian Dawkins.
29.) NY Giants: WR Kenny Britt, Rutgers 6'2"-210
NFL comparison: Atlanta WR Michael Jenkins
Look for the Giants to try and make a deal with Cleveland for Braylon
Edwards.
30.) Tennessee: 'Ziggy' Hood, Missouri 6'3"-300
NFL comparison: Chicago DT Tommie Harris
Hood is an under-rated player, and a good choice to replace Haynesworth.
31.) Arizona: RB Chris 'Beanbag' Wells, Ohio St. 6'1"-233
NFL comparison: Cincinnati RB Cedric Benson
Wells is a soft player that has not proven he can stay healthy. Once considered
a sure-fire lock for the Top 10, no player has fallen as far.
32.) Pittsburgh: OT Eben Britton, Arizona 6'5"-310
NFL comparison: Atlanta OT Jon Baker
The Steelers have a knack for picking up players they can develop for a year before they are asked to contribute, and Britton has the athletic skills to become a starter.
Round 2:
33) Detroit: LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio St
34) New England: DE/OLB Connor Barwin, Cincinnati
35) St Louis: WR Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina
36) Cleveland: OLB/DE Larry English, No. Illinois
37) Seattle: S William Moore, Missouri
38) Cincinnati: C Eric Wood, Louisville
39) Jacksonville: DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
40) Oakland: OT Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma
41) Green Bay: NT Ron Brace, Boston College
42) Buffalo: C Alex Mack, CAL
43) San Francisco: CB Darius Butler, UConn
44) Miami: LB Clint Sintim, Virginia
45) NY Giants: WR Brian Robiske, Ohio St.
46) Houston: Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
47) New England: OG Max Unger, Oregon
48) Denver: OLB/DE Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 6'3"-265
A big, strong, athletic OLB/DE that can start from day one on the strong side in a 3-4.
Very similar to Pittsburgh's LaMarr Woodley. His best football is ahead of him, and when paired
with Tyson Jackson will make Denver much more formidable on the strong side.
49) Chicago: WR Mohammed Massaquoi, Georgia
50) Cleveland: S Patrick Chung, Oregon
51) Dallas: DE Jarron Gilbert, San Jose St
52) NY Jets: RB LeShon McCoy, Pitt
53) Philadelphia: OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma
54) Minnesota: QB/WR Pat White, West Virginia
55) Atlanta: CB Sean Smith, Utah
56) Miami: TE Jared Cook, South Carolina
57) Baltimore: CB Jairus Byrd, Oregon
58) New England: FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama
59) Carolina: DE Paul Kruger, Utah
60) NY Giants: TE Shawn Nelson, So. Miss
61) Indianapolis: TE Cornelius Ingram, Florida
62) Tennessee: CB DJ Moore, Vanderbilt
63) Arizona: OG Andy Levitre, Oregon
64) Pittsburgh: OLB/DE Cody Brown, UConn
Denver's MocK Draft:
1.) DE Tyson Jackson, LSU 6'4 1/2"-298
1.) RB Donald Brown, UConn 5'10"-210
2.) OLB/DE Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 6'3"-265
3.) CB Keenan Lewis, Oregon St. 6'0"-202
Versatile defender with good size well versed in pass coverage. Could also play S.
3.) NT Dorell Scott, Clemson 6'3"-312
Player that came on late in the season, playing a very strong game against the run vs Nebraska.
Could easily grow into the 320lb range.
4.) CB Brandon Hughes, Oregon St. 5'10"-182
Under-rated player, who, along with Keenan Lewis played a superb game in the upset
against USC.
5.) LB Zach Follett, Cal 6'2"-238
Versatile performer that all he does is make plays.
6.) TE Kory Sperry, Colorado St. 6'5"-252
Great athlete that has been extremely productive. Could become a contributor if
Tony Scheffler is traded, which I expect.
7.) DE Rulon Davis, Cal 6'4"-268
7.) RB Ian Johnson, Boise St. 5'11"-203
broncofansd
04-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Definetely DIFFERENT
SheerCold
04-10-2009, 10:55 AM
I love how you did the player comparisons. Anyways, I can't believe i'm saying this, but I actually like the Donald Brown pick. Also, do you think Brown is better than Moreno?
housemouse
04-10-2009, 10:57 AM
18.) Denver: RB Donald Brown, UConn 5'10"-210
NFL Comparision: Former NFL RB Emmitt Smith
Aside from Tennessee DE Robert Ayers, Brown could realize the greatest rise of any player in the draft. He has already gone from the late second round to late first, and is gaining momentum from there. Personally, I am convinced he won't last past New England's pick at #23. Brown is cut from the same mold as Emmitt Smith...a smaller guy that avoids the knockout hit, and has incredible durability. He can also catch the ball, and has home run speed if he gets a crease. He is also a great fit for a zone-blocking system. Brown is simply one of my favorite players in this draft, and my bet for Rookie of the Year if he lands with a decent team. The Broncos also need to stop, once and for all, their merry-go-round at RB. Brown would also be the best player available since there would be no D-line or LB prospects worth taking here.
This could also be a pick that the Broncos may be able to trade down with.
Just wondering, with McDaniels in are we still doing ZB?
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-10-2009, 11:00 AM
Just wondering, with McDaniels in are we still doing ZB?
Yes
Two things point to us continuing the ZBS. 1. Rick Dennison was resigned. 2. McDaniels said we would! :D
xX-Bronco-Xx
04-10-2009, 11:00 AM
I love how you did the player comparisons. Anyways, I can't believe i'm saying this, but I actually like the Donald Brown pick. Also, do you think Brown is better than Moreno?
Well if he picked Donald to go before Moreno then obviously he does.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-10-2009, 11:08 AM
Well done mock. There is a reason I don't do these. I couldn't really get too far down past the middle of the 1st without running out of answers. I also wouldn't really know how determine who might be available talent for the Broncos past the 2nd round. So, I don't even usually do Broncos mocks.
The only two things I don't necessarily agree with are:
I don't see Seattle taking Raji because of the money they now have in their two new tackles, Cory Redding and Colin Cole.
I also would be very surprised with the Browns taking Sanchez, but you laid out your argument well.
I really hope the Broncos don't take Tyson Jackson at 12 because I think Jaron Gilbert at 18 is a better value with more upside, but I know there is a probability Denver takes Jackson there. Alot of the experts have us doing so.
Well, it's still probably better than I could do. Thanks for the read.
MindField
04-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Well if he picked Donald to go before Moreno then obviously he does.
I do.
Nothing against Moreno, and if the Bronco took him at 18, I would not be disappointed, because I am tired of the RB x committee deal.
I am just a big Donald Brown fan. Great kid, great character, has proven he can carry the mail, smart, good receiver...comes from a similar background as Carolina's Deangelo Williams did when folks were discouinting him, and all he did was continue his success in the NFL, and I think Brown is a better player than Williams.
I am not exaggerating when I say he has alot of the same characteristics of Emmitt Smith.
PaperBagBronco
04-10-2009, 11:37 AM
Im sorry MindField but if we reach for Jackson that early I will cry. We could get either Hood and Perry and 18 Why would we need Jackson at 12.
And then getting a RB at 18? To go with the other 20 we have, no way in hell... We will stick with BuckAriLamTorHillis this season we DO NOT NEED TO take a RB this eary nor will we.
Look for us to go Defense Defense unless somehow Sanchez falls at 12. If he does he will be way to hard to pass up. And Yes I like him but I do not think we need him but agian if he falls how can you pass on him.
Broncos Bassist
04-10-2009, 11:39 AM
Great start -- I'm looking forward to the second round and the Broncos mock. Better analysis and thought process than some of the other stuff that's floated around the last week or so. Can't wait for the friggin' draft. :salute!:
MindField
04-10-2009, 12:06 PM
Im sorry MindField but if we reach for Jackson that early I will cry. We could get either Hood and Perry and 18 Why would we need Jackson at 12.
And then getting a RB at 18? To go with the other 20 we have, no way in hell... We will stick with BuckAriLamTorHillis this season we DO NOT NEED TO take a RB this eary nor will we.
Look for us to go Defense Defense unless somehow Sanchez falls at 12. If he does he will be way to hard to pass up. And Yes I like him but I do not think we need him but agian if he falls how can you pass on him.
You are entitled to your opinion, but to confuse career backups like Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain, etc with a potential franchise tailback is silly.
You can continue to think you can 'get by' with avg. Joe's at RB, and what you will get is similar results.
I understand the hesitation about Jackson, and I share alot of those concerns, however, the Broncos are in the position of drafting out of need, and Jackson is the best fit for a 3-4 when they select.
Peria Jerry and Ziggy Hood do not fit a 3-4.
Sequence
04-10-2009, 12:56 PM
Mindfield, I'm with all all the way on this one. I swear U and I seem to be two of the only ones that understand 1) our current crop of FA and holdover scrubs/outpatients at RB are overrated, and that RB by committee ultimately will not get U anywhere except inconsistent play, and 2) D Brown may have more inherent all-around smarts and talent than Wells or Moreno--and goads of character. I swear if we pick him he'll be this year's Eddie Royal. :logo:
Re Jackson: Im still on the fence with selecting defensive line players so high. I want instant impact, a starter, and most of the time lineman are projects that take a year or two to develop--or maybe never. A safer bet would be the best OLB/ILB available at 12, those guys can step in right away and contribute.
Still I like yr mock! :go:
Sequence
04-10-2009, 01:03 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but to confuse career backups like Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain, etc with a potential franchise tailback is silly.
It's beyond silly, it's a skewed view of the bigger picture. It would be like comparing Davis, Portis, or even Anderson and Droughns with these scrubs, what an insult! :logo: (altho I think Arrington will stick because of his KR skills, and Hillis will stick obviously.)
1st round = starter on D, starter on O. That's all I ask for.
Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-10-2009, 01:07 PM
Nice Job as always Mindfield, now for my thoughts:
1. I think Seattle goes OT. Walter Jones just had a setback of sorts and doesn't know when he'll be ready to play now.
2. I don't really see Cleveland taking Sanchez.
3. Micheal Lombardi, the former Raiders exec that worked with Al Davis for 10 years or so, said on NFLN that he would bet his life Al will never take a WR in the 1st Round, it will be DL or OL he said. I guess I believe him.
4. I really dont think Aaron Maybin goes in the 1st Round. And if he does it will be the late part of it. SF is probably the last team to take him because he is a close of Manny Lawson in every way.
5. A 3-4 DE almost never goes in the Top 25 and has only gone in the Top 12 once in the last 10-15 years. I just don't see Tyson Jackson's value that high. We might take him at 18, but if not, I think he goes in the 20s.
6. I dont think Maclin goes to the Redskins. They just took three WRs essentially with their 1st 3 picks last draft (Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Fred Davis). They also only have one selection in the first 2 Rounds, and they need an instant starter at SLB, DE, or RT.
7. Houston has a Pro Bowl calibur MLB in Demeco Ryans. I suppose they could move him, but they just signed Cato June to play WILL, and Zac Diles looks like a stud at SAM.
8. I don't mind taking Donald Brown at #18, but not over Knowshon, and probably not before Beanie. Personal opinion.
9. Micheal Oher will go in the Top 15. He's been dynamite in his offseason just like Stafford. I think he can go as high at #6 to as low at #13. I am EXTREMELY confident about this.
10. I really like the last half of your draft, you make sense with alot of the selections, but I think Eben Britton goes in the Top 20. He also has had very good workouts and starting calibur OTs are money in the 1st Round. Personally, I think San Diego takes him to start at RT at #16. He certainly will not get past the Vikings at #22.
CoryWinget81
04-10-2009, 01:07 PM
I like Donald Brown at 18. I hope this really happens, I'm so sick of RBBC I could vomit.
SheerCold
04-10-2009, 01:09 PM
What are the chances of us landing D.Brown in the 2nd round?
broncobuss
04-10-2009, 01:11 PM
Yes
Two things point to us continuing the ZBS. 1. Rick Dennison was resigned. 2. McDaniels said we would! :D
accually "the coach" said although he wants to still use the zone blocking system to some extent, that he wants to bring in his running sceme of gaurd pulling from the patriots that he said he developed....translation goodbye zone blocking system because "the coach" knows everything. that and mcdaniels lies...
VABronco37
04-10-2009, 01:13 PM
On a scale of 1-10 on how I like Denver's portion of the Draft for the first two rounds.
I give it a 8:salute!:.
Not bad but think Brown maybe a stretch and just REALLY THINK defense for atleast the whole first two rounds is the best way to go.
MindField
04-10-2009, 01:17 PM
Nice Job as always Mindfield, now for my thoughts:
1. I think Seattle goes OT. Walter Jones just had a setback of sorts and doesn't know when he'll be ready to play now.
2. I don't really see Cleveland taking Sanchez.
3. Micheal Lombardi, the former Raiders exec that worked with Al Davis for 10 years or so, said on NFLN that he would bet his life Al will never take a WR in the 1st Round, it will be DL or OL he said. I guess I believe him.
4. I really dont think Aaron Maybin goes in the 1st Round. And if he does it will be the late part of it. SF is probably the last team to take him because he is a close of Manny Lawson in every way.
5. A 3-4 DE almost never goes in the Top 25 and has only gone in the Top 12 once in the last 10-15 years. I just don't see Tyson Jackson's value that high. We might take him at 18, but if not, I think he goes in the 20s.
6. I dont think Maclin goes to the Redskins. They just took three WRs essentially with their 1st 3 picks last draft (Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Fred Davis). They also only have one selection in the first 2 Rounds, and they need an instant starter at SLB, DE, or RT.
7. Houston has a Pro Bowl calibur MLB in Demeco Ryans. I suppose they could move him, but they just signed Cato June to play WILL, and Zac Diles looks like a stud at SAM.
8. I don't mind taking Donald Brown at #18, but not over Knowshon, and probably not before Beanie. Personal opinion.
9. Micheal Oher will go in the Top 15. He's been dynamite in his offseason just like Stafford. I think he can go as high at #6 to as low at #13. I am EXTREMELY confident about this.
10. I really like the last half of your draft, you make sense with alot of the selections, but I think Eben Britton goes in the Top 20. He also has had very good workouts and starting calibur OTs are money in the 1st Round. Personally, I think San Diego takes him to start at RT at #16. He certainly will not get past the Vikings at #22.
Cool, and thanks for the feedback. I just do this for fun as I know my picks won't reflect the draft very closely.
Sequence
04-10-2009, 01:19 PM
What are the chances of us landing D.Brown in the 2nd round?
zero to zilch. he'll be lone gone by the time we reach our 2nd. His stock is rising as fast as Wells' is dropping.
Ive watched college clips of D Brown and yes he looks just like E Smith in his style of play and abilities. I drool when I think about a starting backfield of he and Hillis.
MindField
04-10-2009, 01:46 PM
OK, Rounds 1/2 are done, along with the Broncos Mock.
Hoserman117
04-10-2009, 01:54 PM
I don't see Brown going as the first RB going in the draft, and I'd be a little upset if we chose him with our 18th pick over Moreno.
Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-10-2009, 01:56 PM
OK, Rounds 1/2 are done, along with the Broncos Mock.
I like the picks in rounds 3-5, but being a BSU homer I am not thinking Ian will last that long. I think he's gone by the end of the 5th.
By the way, he's 212 lbs. now. :P
MindField
04-10-2009, 01:59 PM
I don't see Brown going as the first RB going in the draft, and I'd be a little upset if we chose him with our 18th pick over Moreno.
Until you saw Brown suit up and play anyway...something tells me after that you would be pleasantly suprised.
HorseStance
04-10-2009, 02:01 PM
Denver's MocK Draft:
1.) DE Tyson Jackson, LSU 6'4 1/2"-298
1.) RB Donald Brown, UConn 5'10"-210
2.) OLB/DE Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 6'3"-265
3.) CB Keenan Lewis, Oregon St. 6'0"-202
Versatile defender with good size well versed in pass coverage. Could also play S.
3.) NT Dorell Scott, Clemson 6'3"-312
Player that came on late in the season, playing a very strong game against the run vs Nebraska.
Could easily grow into the 320lb range.
4.) CB Brandon Hughes, Oregon St. 5'10"-182
Under-rated player, who, along with Keenan Lewis played a superb game in the upset
against USC.
5.) LB Zach Follett, Cal 6'2"-238
Versatile performer that all he does is make plays.
6.) TE Kory Sperry, Colorado St. 6'5"-252
Great athlete that has been extremely productive. Could become a contributor if
Tony Scheffler is traded, which I expect.
7.) DE Rulon Davis, Cal 6'4"-268
7.) RB Ian Johnson, Boise St. 5'11"-203
Wow.. 2 RB's lol i guess you really don't think much of BuckHalter, Arrington or Torain. 1 i could live with especially if it's in the first 3 rounds but two i think is over kill.. ;)
Generally i like it, I would be OK with Jackson as i think he will greatly improve our D line but as other people said i'm not sure that the value is there at 12 for him. Especially with lots of other 4-3 DTs/3-4 DE's tweeners available through rounds 1-4.
I would be pretty happy with either Moreno or Brown in the first at 18.
Sidbury has potential and i like Lewis as well especially because he can play saftey also... I wouldn't mind a pure saftey like Chip Vaughn at that point either.. He could really excel under Dawkins tutorige. I also like Scott and included him in my mock.. Good pick IMO. I would also include a QB in there some where because we have a hole at 3rd stringer where Hackney used to sit.
Not too sure about the last couple of guys but i really haven't done so much research on the 6-7 round guys.
Overall a good mock!
PaperBagBronco
04-10-2009, 02:07 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but to confuse career backups like Buckhalter, Arrington, Torain, etc with a potential franchise tailback is silly.
You can continue to think you can 'get by' with avg. Joe's at RB, and what you will get is similar results.
I understand the hesitation about Jackson, and I share alot of those concerns, however, the Broncos are in the position of drafting out of need, and Jackson is the best fit for a 3-4 when they select.
Peria Jerry and Ziggy Hood do not fit a 3-4.
If this was still the same old offense with the same old coach behind it then I could see going after a RB in the first. But while we will still have the Zone Blocking sceme coach you better believe it that we will eventually phaze that out as well.
The RB is/will not be the focal point of McDaniels offense so drafting a guy that you THINK will be the next best thing is not the answer. We need backs that can Block better then they can run in this new offense.
Not to mention that our Defense is a mess up front we need pieces that can and will step in immediately. As for Jackson he is nothing more then a beefed up Ekuban if you ask me, which is why his stock is dropping. The guy is solid but a #12 pick he is not.
Lets not forget that we still have 2 number 1 picks next year. We can use one of both of those on a RB. But right now we need to fix this weak and small Defense to give us a chance to win games NOW!
Anyways thats my opinion, which ever way we go I just hope we get some guys that can have a positive impact.
broncos1997
04-10-2009, 02:13 PM
Yes
Two things point to us continuing the ZBS. 1. Rick Dennison was resigned. 2. McDaniels said we would! :D
oh mcdaniels said we would? wow that makes me feel so reassured :laugh:
Northern Lights
04-10-2009, 02:20 PM
Donald Brown at 18?
CoryWinget81
04-10-2009, 02:26 PM
I wouldn't mind Ian Johnson. Tough as nails and smart as a whip. Plus it seems BSU players do pretty well here.
Momentum
04-10-2009, 03:25 PM
Nice mockness. Everything is justified... EXCEPT FOR..
Mark Sanchez!!!!
Are you kidding me?!!! Big time money at three QB's? What if there isn't a market for Quinn? They would be stuck holding the tab for 3 huge contracts at the QB position where only one can play.
Momentum
04-10-2009, 03:26 PM
I wouldn't mind Ian Johnson. Tough as nails and smart as a whip. Plus it seems BSU players do pretty well here.
Ian Johnson sucks.
MindField
04-10-2009, 08:33 PM
I wouldn't mind Ian Johnson. Tough as nails and smart as a whip. Plus it seems BSU players do pretty well here.
Yeah, I threw him in there.
Ya gotta root for a kid like Johnson. I hope he makes it.
MindField
04-10-2009, 08:34 PM
If this was still the same old offense with the same old coach behind it then I could see going after a RB in the first. But while we will still have the Zone Blocking sceme coach you better believe it that we will eventually phaze that out as well.
The RB is/will not be the focal point of McDaniels offense so drafting a guy that you THINK will be the next best thing is not the answer. We need backs that can Block better then they can run in this new offense.
Not to mention that our Defense is a mess up front we need pieces that can and will step in immediately. As for Jackson he is nothing more then a beefed up Ekuban if you ask me, which is why his stock is dropping. The guy is solid but a #12 pick he is not.
Lets not forget that we still have 2 number 1 picks next year. We can use one of both of those on a RB. But right now we need to fix this weak and small Defense to give us a chance to win games NOW!
Anyways thats my opinion, which ever way we go I just hope we get some guys that can have a positive impact.
All I can go by is the fact that New England did draft Laurence Maroney with a pick in the first round, and signed Corey Dillon as a free agent before that, so that tells me there is some thought that goes into having a primary RB in the NE system.
Sequence
04-11-2009, 09:07 AM
I remember last year the big debate on this forum was do we pick a RB (Stewart, Mendenhall,) with our first, or do we go with a massive LT (Clady, Williams) and the OT won out (and Im very pleased as are most of you.) :D
But we didnt pick a RB until Torain, and we know what a stud he is in the MD's office.:D Again, it was rbbc, and it proved absolutely nothing except incosistent play and not being able to sustain drives on the ground because no one could get warmed up and into the groove--and when they did, they got hurt. Cant anyone see the fallacy behind the rbcc philosphy?? :incomplete:
Then Hillis broke the starting RB spot, and >PRESTO< for a short spell we looked like a respectible team on both sides of the ball, Jay played well, plus the D had their best games of the year when Hillis and the O were able to sustain drives, eat the clock, get that tough yardage, and most importantly keep the D off the field and rested. :td:
Kinda like when Portis was our feature back. :salute!:
Well, all I have to say is this: If we dont draft a feature back and return to the rbcc philosophy, then I hope y'all are happy to have these career backup mediocre-at-best medical cases trying to carry the load, because we will struggle--no matter how we drafted on D.
MindField
04-12-2009, 12:57 PM
I remember last year the big debate on this forum was do we pick a RB (Stewart, Mendenhall,) with our first, or do we go with a massive LT (Clady, Williams) and the OT won out (and Im very pleased as are most of you.) :D
But we didnt pick a RB until Torain, and we know what a stud he is in the MD's office.:D Again, it was rbbc, and it proved absolutely nothing except incosistent play and not being able to sustain drives on the ground because no one could get warmed up and into the groove--and when they did, they got hurt. Cant anyone see the fallacy behind the rbcc philosphy?? :incomplete:
Then Hillis broke the starting RB spot, and >PRESTO< for a short spell we looked like a respectible team on both sides of the ball, Jay played well, plus the D had their best games of the year when Hillis and the O were able to sustain drives, eat the clock, get that tough yardage, and most importantly keep the D off the field and rested. :td:
Kinda like when Portis was our feature back. :salute!:
Well, all I have to say is this: If we dont draft a feature back and return to the rbcc philosophy, then I hope y'all are happy to have these career backup mediocre-at-best medical cases trying to carry the load, because we will struggle--no matter how we drafted on D.
Exactly, especially when the Broncos have extra picks to address it.
The Broncos were a different team when Hillis was going well last season.
If you go with the current cast of characters, and what you will have is a mediocre running game that can't help the team win.
RunYouOver
04-12-2009, 01:52 PM
I like this mock...it makes me wonder though...
Should we trade down from #12 if Raji isn't there (to later in the teens)...and then should we trade down from #18 to the mid 20s?
And wind up with possibly 2 more 3rd round picks?
Take Tyson Jackson at, say, 17 in a trade with the Jets...and we'd get third and fourth round picks.
Then trade down from #18 to #29 since the Giants are looking to move up...
We could then trade the #18 and a third rounder from the Jets for the Giants #29 and second round pick...we could get Brown or possibly even Moreno at #29.
Then we'd take Jackson and Brown, but wind up with 2 2nd round picks 2 third round picks and 2 4th round picks.
VERY complicated, but...possible?
Bowie Man
04-12-2009, 02:00 PM
I haven't read all the replies, but here are my thoughts:
1.) I'm not a big fan of Jackson, but I understand the pick.
2.) Would rather have Moreno(I think he's better), but I also like Brown so I'm not too upset.
3.) I like Sidbury and Scott, but I'm not too keen on two CBs.
Overall, good mock.
PaperBagBronco
04-12-2009, 03:11 PM
All I can go by is the fact that New England did draft Laurence Maroney with a pick in the first round, and signed Corey Dillon as a free agent before that, so that tells me there is some thought that goes into having a primary RB in the NE system.
And New England won 2 of there 3 Superbowls prior to Dillion ever becoming a Pat.
And haven't won 1 since Maroney has been there...
So agian why is it a must that we draft a RB in the first round this year?...
Blah this doesn't matter McDaniels is not retarded, I'll bet my account here we will not draft a RB in the first round, thats how much im sure he gets it.
Anyone want to take me up on that bet?...
MindField
04-12-2009, 04:48 PM
And New England won 2 of there 3 Superbowls prior to Dillion ever becoming a Pat.
And haven't won 1 since Maroney has been there...
So agian why is it a must that we draft a RB in the first round this year?...
Blah this doesn't matter McDaniels is not retarded, I'll bet my account here we will not draft a RB in the first round, thats how much im sure he gets it.
Anyone want to take me up on that bet?...
So you have your opinion, and I have mine.
I don't think there is any logical way to argue a good RB would not be an asset to any offense, including McDaniels'.
fraguela09
04-12-2009, 06:00 PM
Didn't they say Marcus Spears would be, well, like they're claiming Jackson is now. I'll pass on Jackson.
Weaknesses:
Average timed speed...Motor is inconsistent...Questionable instincts and awareness...Needs to do a better job of shedding blocks...Doesn't change directions well...Has some trouble in space...Not a threat off the edge...Just an average pass rusher and won't rack up a lot of sacks.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Tyson-Jackson.php
(Everything you don't want in a DE)...
I would prefer a Gilbert or something. Jackson doesn't do anything exceptionally well.
"Pro Day wrap, Player hurt their stock: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: For a player considered to be the elite 3-4 defensive end prospect of the 2009 draft, Jackson was alarmingly weak in the bench press at the LSU Pro Day, only pushing the bar up 20 times at 225 pounds. - Rob Rang, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com"
I grant you he might be a safe pick.... and DEN needs to land a defensive player....and I do agree he's a very likely selection for DEN.... If it were me, though, I would pass. Time will tell, or course.
draco193
04-12-2009, 07:59 PM
I like this mock. Im not really a fan of any back in the first, because of the money invested in a position that gets roughed up a lot in the league, and for a position that is becoming a little less relevant in the league. But, I do like Brown more than either Moreno or Wells. But, the rest I like.
Chris Wade
04-13-2009, 07:07 AM
Outstanding. The best I've seen.
broncofansd
04-13-2009, 07:18 AM
Looking at your Mock Draft again , you have a very good eye for Talent.
Donald Brown , Lawerence Sidbury , Dorell Scott , Keenan Lewis are all Excellent Picks.
I would rather trade down and select Jarron Gilbert. I think Tyson Jackson is a 2nd Round Player based on Production but is boosted up because he can play the 5 technique.
Also we don't need 2 CB's.
Overall very good draft.
draco193
04-13-2009, 11:14 AM
Also we don't need 2 CB's.
Overall very good draft.
We absolutley need more corners. JMFW and Bell are the only young guys on the roster, Champ has been injured for large portions of the past two seasons (although I think he rebounds this year with a solid year), and Goodman is average and is on the wrong side of 30. Two more young corners added would give us some good competition for this year, and for possibly years to come.
Goatmaster
04-13-2009, 12:06 PM
you make alot of good picks, i really like donald brown, but i have seen nothing from tyson jackson that makes him worth a first rounder. rey maualuga to the texans? they have huge needs all over the field and a pro bowl middle linebacker in demeco ryans. if the texans took him i think just about everyone in the building would puke
PaperBagBronco
04-13-2009, 02:02 PM
So you have your opinion, and I have mine.
I don't think there is any logical way to argue a good RB would not be an asset to any offense, including McDaniels'.
Ofcourse a Stud RB would be a good asset to this team, but we have way to many holes that need filled before we should be looking at drafting a RB in the first 2 rounds this year. Next year hopefully if the guys we pick up this year produce we can go get our guy.
MindField
04-17-2009, 08:48 AM
I have revised my Broncos Mock:
1.) (#12) ILB Rey Maualuga, USC 6'3"-255
An identity and a force in the middle of the defense. Great defenses are built
around personalities, and Maualuga is used to being the stud on the great USC defenses. He may have some perceived 'holes' in his game, but he also brings a ton of intangibles other prospects simply do not possess. I also like the idea of pairing Maualuga with DJ Williams to at least give the Broncos something of a strength on defense....and remember, Mike Nolan drafted Patrick Willis for the same reasons.
1.) (#18) NT Ron Brace, Boston College 6'3"-335
Simply put, Ron Brace is NOT going to be around at #48, just as BJ Raji is not going to be around at #12. It's simply not going to happen. Brace is a PERFECT 3-4 NT, and I put him in the same basic category as Jamal Williams and Casey Hampton, who the Chargers and Steelers drafted in the first round. The Broncos are in the position of having to take some risks to improve their defense, and get the kind of players they are looking for, and after Brace, you are looking at trying to 'get by' with Ronnie Fields, or a third round prospect like a Dorell Scott. I like the idea of Brace better, so I don't care if Mel Kiper's hair bursts into flames on the set, I take Brace and get the guy I want where I can get him. You also get him with a six year contract that will be for reasonable money, so I don't have to worry about free agency until then. If you take him in the second round, you have to revisit his contract in four years.
2.) #48 OLB Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 6'3"-255
A perfect strong-side OLB for a 3-4 in the Lamarr Woodley mold.
3.) CB Keenan Lewis, Oregon St. 6'0"-202
A bigger CB that could eventually replace Champ Bailey.
3.) (From Chicago) C Antoine Caldwell, Alabama 6'3"-308
One of my favorite players in the draft and one that can transform the Broncos from Shanahan's preference for finese, in favor of power.
The rest of my previous mock remains the same.
no-pseudo-fan
04-17-2009, 09:08 AM
I have revised my Broncos Mock:
1.) (#12) ILB Rey Maualuga, USC 6'3"-255
An identity and a force in the middle of the defense. Great defenses are built
around personalities, and Maualuga is used to being the stud on the great USC defenses. He may have some perceived 'holes' in his game, but he also brings a ton of intangibles other prospects simply do not possess. I also like the idea of pairing Maualuga with DJ Williams to at least give the Broncos something of a strength on defense....and remember, Mike Nolan drafted Patrick Willis for the same reasons.
1.) (#18) NT Ron Brace, Boston College 6'3"-335
Simply put, Ron Brace is NOT going to be around at #48, just as BJ Raji is not going to be around at #12. It's simply not going to happen. Brace is a PERFECT 3-4 NT, and I put him in the same basic category as Jamal Williams and Casey Hampton, who the Chargers and Steelers drafted in the first round. The Broncos are in the position of having to take some risks to improve their defense, and get the kind of players they are looking for, and after Brace, you are looking at trying to 'get by' with Ronnie Fields, or a third round prospect like a Dorell Scott. I like the idea of Brace better, so I don't care if Mel Kiper's hair bursts into flames on the set, I take Brace and get the guy I want where I can get him. You also get him with a six year contract that will be for reasonable money, so I don't have to worry about free agency until then. If you take him in the second round, you have to revisit his contract in four years.
2.) #48 OLB Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 6'3"-255
A perfect strong-side OLB for a 3-4 in the Lamarr Woodley mold.
3.) CB Keenan Lewis, Oregon St. 6'0"-202
A bigger CB that could eventually replace Champ Bailey.
3.) (From Chicago) C Antoine Caldwell, Alabama 6'3"-308
One of my favorite players in the draft and one that can transform the Broncos from Shanahan's preference for finese, in favor of power.
The rest of my previous mock remains the same.
I love each one of the picks, but I would rather have Rashard Jennings with the 1st third. If the team is set on taking Brace, I think they just might trade back and get another 3rd so that pick can be Lewis.
MindField
04-17-2009, 09:09 AM
I love each one of the picks, but I would rather have Rashard Jennings with the 1st third. If the team is set on taking Brace, I think they just might trade back and get another 3rd so that pick can be Lewis.
It would be ideal for the Broncos to trade into the early 20's, add a third rounder, and then take Brace there, but for this MOCK, I assumed no trades.
no-pseudo-fan
04-17-2009, 09:16 AM
It would be ideal for the Broncos to trade into the early 20's, add a third rounder, and then take Brace there, but for this MOCK, I assumed no trades.
I know. I was just stating that I would rather have Jennings with that pick. What are we going to do once the draft is over?
MindField
04-17-2009, 11:22 AM
I know. I was just stating that I would rather have Jennings with that pick. What are we going to do once the draft is over?
Well, undoubtedly, there will be some Josh-haters that will ***** about the draft picks, so there will be a few weeks of that...
Charlie Brown
04-17-2009, 01:51 PM
Do not like the Browns picks at all. Shouldn't come as any surprise to any of you.
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