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Den615
04-11-2009, 10:15 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/nfp-specialty-rankings-3-4-defense/

NFP Specialty Rankings: 3-4 Defense
In the final part of the National Football Post’s position analysis, we take a closer look at the nation’s top 3-4 defensive prospects. Every year, more NFL teams are in need of unique 3-4 position players, so let’s break down the top guys at each spot.


3-4 DE

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 288)
Tyson Jackson, LSU (6-4, 296)
Alex Magee, Purdue (6-3, 298)
Fili Moala, USC (6-4, 305)
Everette Pedescleaux, Northern Iowa (6-6, 305)
Zach Potter, Nebraska (6-7, 279)
Khalif Mitchell, East Carolina (6-5, 318)
Kyle Moore, USC (6-5, 272)
Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin (6-5, 266)
Pannel Egboh, Stanford (6-6, 276)

The top two five-technique defensive ends in this year’s draft are Gilbert and Jackson. Both are tall, long-armed linemen with good base strength and an ability to stack blocks on the outside. Gilbert is a better athlete and offers teams a much higher ceiling. Jackson reminds me a bit of former first-round pick Marcus Spears and will likely come in and start from day one — but he doesn’t offer as much upside.

Defensive tackles Moala and Magee may both be best suited to play in a 4-3 scheme, but with a lack of capable five-technique ends in the draft, I can definitely see a team taking a chance on one of these two linemen. Magee is a DT/DE tweener who is only 6-3 but has long arms (35 inches) and a strong upper body. Moala’s transition to the 3-4 DE position may take some time since he doesn’t use his hands as well as Magee. But he does have a strong base, good length and the stack-and-shed ability needed for the position.

One guy to keep an eye on is Pedescleaux. The 6-6, 305-pound lineman has ideal size, athletic ability and length but needs time to develop in an NFL scheme. He possesses a very intriguing skill set for the position and could definitely develop into a starter.

Nose Tackles

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 337)
Ron Brace, Boston College (6-3, 330)
Dorell Scott, Clemson (6-3, 312)
Chris Baker, Hampton (6-2, 326)
Roy Miller, Texas (6-1, 310)
Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman (6-4, 329)
Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario (6-3, 331)
Myron Pryor, Kentucky (6-0, 319)
Terrance Taylor, Michigan (6-0, 306)
Antonio Dixon, Miami (6-3, 324)

Interior linemen Raji and Brace take the top two spots on the nose tackle board; both possess the size, girth and base strength to hold the point of attack and eat up blockers inside. Raji is a more explosive athlete and will be able to play three downs at the next level, while Brace is more of a two-down plugger who is best suited to clog run lanes inside. Clemson’s Scott has been consistently overlooked throughout the draft process but showcases some intriguing tools and athleticism for his size to develop inside. He’s a surprisingly polished nose tackle and has the base strength and technique to control blockers at the point of attack. He definitely has the athletic ability to two-gap and should be able to add a little more weight and not lose much athleticism.

Small-school prospects Baker and Hill both have the size for the position, but what makes them intriguing is their natural athleticism and quickness inside. Baker played the five-technique position at Hampton and could be asked to play anywhere along the defensive line at the next level. However, his short, squatty frame and natural leverage will likely draw some interest among teams in need of a nose. Hill, on the other hand, was an absolute man among boys last season at Stillman, but he still has a way to go from a technique standpoint. However, all the tools are there and he likely will be drafted a bit higher than most think because of his immense upside.

Finally, one guy who has really climbed up drafts boards of late is Western Ontario’s Martin. He possesses a big, thickly built frame with good upper body strength and athleticism for his size. He, like any other small-school prospect, is still raw and has a learning curve, but the physical skill set is there. You have to believe a team would be interested in developing a 6-3, 331-pound specimen who can run a sub-5.0 40.

3-4 OLB

Everette Brown, Florida State (6-2, 256)
Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256)
Clay Matthews, USC (6-4, 240)
Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 255)
Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)
Lee Robinson, Alcorn State (6-2, 249)
Cody Brown, Connecticut (6-2, 244)
Julius Williams, Connecticut (6-2, 252)
Victor Butler, Oregon State (6-2, 248)
Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois (6-4, 269)
Slade Norris, Oregon State (6-2, 232)
Jovan Belcher, Maine (6-2, 243)
Phillip Hunt, Houston (6-1, 244)
Moise Fokou, Maryland (6-1, 233)
Jamaal Westerman, Rutgers (6-2, 257)

One of the toughest evaluations for any NFL team is the ability to predict the success of an undersized DE to the 3-4 OLB position. I purposely left USC’s Brian Cushing off the list because I firmly believe he’s best suited to play inside in a 3-4 scheme. I don’t think he possesses the fluidity to play in space or will offer as much as most scouts think as a pass rusher.

Everette Brown is considered the nation’s top rush linebacker as he showcases the first step burst and closing speed to consistently be a force off the edge. He’s a bit undersized to be an any every down DE but has the quickness and fluidity to play in space and rush off the edge. Barwin, Matthews and English all fall into that next tier of pass rushers and should come off the board in the mid/late first or second round range and eventually become starters.

Small-school prospects Walters, Robinson and Belcher have experience rushing the passer and showcase the athleticism to stand-up in the 3-4 OLB role. Robinson offers the most intriguing skill set to me, as he plays with a strong base, good flexibility and natural leverage off the edge. He exhibits a good first step and has the upper body strength to disengage from blockers on the outside. Robinson is being viewed as a mid/late round pick in most draft circles, but I think he has a lot of added value to a 3-4 defense as an outside or even an inside linebacker.


3-4 ILB

Rey Maualuga, USC (6-2, 249)
Brian Cushing, USC (6-3, 243)
Frantz Joseph, Florida Atlantic (6-1, 242)
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (6-2, 252)
Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)
Antonio Appleby, Virginia (6-4, 243)
Nick Reed, Oregon (6-2, 245)
Mortty Ivy, West Virginia (6-2, 248)
Josh Mauga, Nevada (6-2, 243)
Ronnie Palmer, Arizona (6-2, 245)

USC’s Maualuga and Cushing are the top two middle linebackers on our board, but both bring different skill sets to the position. Maualuga is a physical, downhill linebacker who loves to attack the ball and create collisions at the line of scrimmage. He needs to become a bit more disciplined but also offers the ability to create a pass rush inside. Cushing is a more instinctive linebacker who diagnoses plays quickly and will always be flowing toward the ball. He does offer some versatility to kick outside, but I feel his best spot will be inside a 3-4.

Another versatile prospect is Sintim, a pass rushing OLB in Virginia’s 3-4 defense who is now also being considered as a 3-4 inside linebacker. Sintim really struggled with his fluidity in space at this year’s Senior Bowl and did not show the type of explosive pass rush ability I expected. However, he possesses a strong frame, smooth footwork and, like Cushing, will add some versatility to a defensive scheme.

Reed, a former defensive end at Oregon, was never given a chance by NFL scouts, no matter how productive he was in college. But after posting a 4.71 40 time at his pro day, he’s now being taken more seriously. At 6-2, 245 pounds, Reed is undersized for the defensive end position, but he plays with reckless abandon, works hard and I think his skill set might be best suited to play inside linebacker in a 3-4. Reed is considered more of a late-round prospect who doesn’t possess much upside, but all the guy has ever done is produce. He should get a shot somewhere at the next level.

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I thought he missed a few prospects but overall its a very good evaluation.

Hoserman117
04-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Good evaluation but where the heck is Orakpo.

Den615
04-11-2009, 10:24 AM
Good evaluation but where the heck is Orakpo.

He thinks he is too stiff to be an every down OLB....he thinks he will be a much better player as a 4-3 DE

Jay2Javon4life
04-11-2009, 11:19 AM
where is Sidbury? I think he can be a stud olb.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Why isn't Aaron Curry listed at OLB?

Don't tell me that they don't think he projects well as a 3-4 OLB.

Den615
04-11-2009, 11:35 AM
Why isn't Aaron Curry listed at OLB?

Don't tell me that they don't think he projects well as a 3-4 OLB.

I think he would play ILB in a 3-4....that doesnt mean he couldnt play OLB, but he wasnt asked to blitz much at WF so its an unknown

broncos SB2010
04-11-2009, 11:38 AM
The players mentioned here that I am most high on are

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 288)
Alex Magee, Purdue (6-3, 298)
Both of these guys would make ideal DEs

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 337)
Dorell Scott, Clemson (6-3, 312)
Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario (6-3, 331)
Antonio Dixon, Miami (6-3, 324)
Raji would be my first choice obviously but I have been calling for Dorrell Scott as an alternative for a long time. Martin and Dixon are both great late round developmental picks. Dixon was a 3rd round projection before he got injured and played poorly afterwards. He could become a dominant NT.

Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256)
Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)
Brian Cushing, USC (6-3, 243)
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (6-2, 252)
Ronnie Palmer, Arizona (6-2, 245)
Cushing and Sintim are both capable of playing ILB or OLB, Cushing is tougher and a 1st round pick, Sintim is a 4 year starter as a 34 OLB. Barwin is so athletic and versatile you just have to love his potential where ever he plays. Brinkley is a solid ILB who could be the best MLB in the draft. Palmer has played very solid for AZ and could also be a great ILB in a 34. I have had him in my mocks since day 1 as a 7th round pick.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-11-2009, 12:18 PM
The players mentioned here that I am most high on are

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 288)
Alex Magee, Purdue (6-3, 298)
Both of these guys would make ideal DEs

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 337)
Dorell Scott, Clemson (6-3, 312)
Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario (6-3, 331)
Antonio Dixon, Miami (6-3, 324)
Raji would be my first choice obviously but I have been calling for Dorrell Scott as an alternative for a long time. Martin and Dixon are both great late round developmental picks. Dixon was a 3rd round projection before he got injured and played poorly afterwards. He could become a dominant NT.

Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256)
Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)
Brian Cushing, USC (6-3, 243)
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (6-2, 252)
Ronnie Palmer, Arizona (6-2, 245)
Cushing and Sintim are both capable of playing ILB or OLB, Cushing is tougher and a 1st round pick, Sintim is a 4 year starter as a 34 OLB. Barwin is so athletic and versatile you just have to love his potential where ever he plays. Brinkley is a solid ILB who could be the best MLB in the draft. Palmer has played very solid for AZ and could also be a great ILB in a 34. I have had him in my mocks since day 1 as a 7th round pick.

I like your thoughts there. I am extremely high on Gilbert; almost as high as I was on Clady last year. I really hope we take him at 18 instead of taking Jackson at 12. I believe he has more upside and would provide a much better value from the draft.

I'm also really high on Sintim. He doesn't seem to be making any noise in the offseason, but he really looks like he knows how to play the game on tape.

As far as Brinkley goes, I think he answered a lot of questions about his health at the combine. He did better than any LB not named Aaron Curry, being a top finisher in 5 different categories.

I would be thrilled if we got just one of these players.

Den615
04-11-2009, 12:28 PM
I like your thoughts there. I am extremely high on Gilbert; almost as high as I was on Clady last year. I really hope we take him at 18 instead of taking Jackson at 12. I believe he has more upside and would provide a much better value from the draft.

I'm also really high on Sintim. He doesn't seem to be making any noise in the offseason, but he really looks like he knows how to play the game on tape.

As far as Brinkley goes, I think he answered a lot of questions about his health at the combine. He did better than any LB not named Aaron Curry, being a top finisher in 5 different categories.

I would be thrilled if we got just one of these players.

There is a chance we could land all 3. Although we'd have to reach for Gilbert for it to happen.

1a. BJ Raji
1b. Jarron Gilbert
2. Clint Sintim
3a. Rashad Johnson
3b. Jasper Brinkley

You could do a lot worse:salute!:

berlownacyo7s
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
whoa there. I thought you were broncofansd for a while because your text was bold, then I saw that Everette Brown was higher than Matthews and Barwin and realized it could not be. I like the evaluation, but I think you should put on Orakpo, Curry, and Sidbury. They are all going to be solid players, even if they go to a 3-4 team. I'd be happy with your mock though Den615.

Den615
04-11-2009, 03:12 PM
whoa there. I thought you were broncofansd for a while because your text was bold, then I saw that Everette Brown was higher than Matthews and Barwin and realized it could not be. I like the evaluation, but I think you should put on Orakpo, Curry, and Sidbury. They are all going to be solid players, even if they go to a 3-4 team. I'd be happy with your mock though Den615.

that may be the worst insult i have ever received:sad:

Although i did use his strategy of sneaking in a mock into my post...lol

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-11-2009, 06:24 PM
that may be the worst insult i have ever received:sad:

Although i did use his strategy of sneaking in a mock into my post...lol


I hope he sees this and notices that Clint Sintim is cited as an ILB in the 3-4. I tried to tell him that some NFL personnel viewed him as such and Broncosfansd told me I was a moron.

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-11-2009, 07:42 PM
I hope he sees this and notices that Clint Sintim is cited as an ILB in the 3-4. I tried to tell him that some NFL personnel viewed him as such and Broncosfansd told me I was a moron.

Where would you prefer to see Sintim?

I would love to see him at OLB in a 3-4. He has posted a lot of sacks.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
04-11-2009, 07:51 PM
Where would you prefer to see Sintim?

I would love to see him at OLB in a 3-4. He has posted a lot of sacks.


I think he can probably play outside and be solid, I think he could be great inside. I actually like Sintim, I just have no idea if he's good enough to be effective at OLB in a 3-4. My guess would be yes. But quite a few high profile draft gurus think otherwise, so who knows...

fraguela09
04-11-2009, 08:42 PM
I, too, would reach for Gilbert at 18.... Guy is a monster and has tons of upside! Big, strong, fast. Perfect fit for the 3-4, with a guy like Powell on the other side!

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
04-11-2009, 08:50 PM
I think he can probably play outside and be solid, I think he could be great inside. I actually like Sintim, I just have no idea if he's good enough to be effective at OLB in a 3-4. My guess would be yes. But quite a few high profile draft gurus think otherwise, so who knows...

He looks great on tape. He has excellent pass rush moves. He also has good size for the position. His numbers from the combine were not great, but not bad. So, what's the nock on him playing OLB in a 3-4?

fraguela09
04-11-2009, 09:15 PM
Where is Robert Ayers?

RickyVoorhees
04-12-2009, 02:38 AM
Good list. Our front office needs this list on draft day and just sit back and take the best plays available off it lol. . .:helmet:

broncos SB2010
04-12-2009, 05:24 AM
He looks great on tape. He has excellent pass rush moves. He also has good size for the position. His numbers from the combine were not great, but not bad. So, what's the nock on him playing OLB in a 3-4?

From the little they have written about his off season it seems like he covered poorly at the senior bowl and didn't show his pass rush very well. I personally, don't buy that. They were playing a 43 defense in the senior bowl and he has played his whole career in a 34 and that is what he would be playing in Denver. So I am going by what I saw of him in games, not the senior bowl since he was consistently productive all 4 years in college.

berlownacyo7s
04-12-2009, 09:47 AM
that may be the worst insult i have ever received:sad:

Although i did use his strategy of sneaking in a mock into my post...lol

haha. sorry about that. Every time I see more than a sentence in bold, I automatically think it's broncofansd. But your post is way to informed and unbiased to be him.

berlownacyo7s
04-12-2009, 09:48 AM
I believe Sintim can play wheerever his team need him to. The Broncos need an OLB more than an ILB, so if we drafted him he would play outside.