You guys who are complaing are overlooking quite a bit

[beastlyskronk]

You say we need to go defense but in actuality our defense wasn't really all that bad. The fact that our offense had quick scoring drives and a lot of 3 and outs in the 2nd half tired our defense out a lot and I think that more than anything resulted into the poor play especially late in the season. And last season we were devastated with injuries defensively, losing Bailey, Williams, Webster, Larsen, Bailey, Shaw, and having Thomas, Robertson, and Bly hurt pretty much all season but playing through pain.

And then you bring up us switching to the 3-4 but guess what? We're not fully switching to the 3-4. You can't adapt a defense built for a 4-3 in one draft to make it a 3-4. I really don't even think Denver will play the 3-4 all that much this season, probably about 15-20% of the time tops. The fact that we haven't taken a NT, ILB, or OLB pretty much backs this up too. We're a lot closer to being a good 4-3 defense than a good 3-4 defense. Nolan is a talented DC and knows what he's doing, he can adapt and play the 4-3.

You guys say why take a RB when we already have a whole bunch, well again last season all of our RBs got injured and we added a bunch of RBs, that is true but all of them are injury prone as well. Moreno isn't really injury prone and is imo a Clinton Portis clone right now.

The blocking TE just proves that McD is committed to pounding the rock and keeping opposes offenses off of the field which helps our defense by keeping them rested and giving the offense less time to rack up yards. Plus he fits the system and Scheffler now become a valuable playing card in this draft.

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Those that are complaining are 1) prob still stinging over their pouty gunslinging mental midget being gone, so they have to dig up more issues to try and support their complaining, and the draft is a convineint venue, and 2) dont understand the basics of Football, esp in regard to an effective, punishing ground game and how that helps a defense.

Did not anyone watch the Broncos last year, and SEE how Hillis and the ground game, when he was a starter, helped the D?

I just ignore the complainers. Not worth the effort. Yeah I didnt get all my guys (except Moreno), but Im not going to sit in the corner and pout and whine about it. :logo:

Good points all! :salute!:

[fraguela09]

I concur. We were 16th in scoring. Not like we couldn't use Moreno-Quinn. See RZ problems please.

[09blowup]

Yeah I bet thats it! Or maybe, passed the second pick nothing we did made sense, outside of trading away our 1st round pick to Seattle for a 37th that happens to be a slow, short DB. Sorry guys this is indefensible, no rationale can be applied. I for one am getting tired of seeing this Raiders logic being applied to our team.

[beastlyskronk]

Yeah I bet thats it! Or maybe, passed the second pick nothing we did made sense, outside of trading away our 1st round pick to Seattle for a 37th that happens to be a slow, short DB. Sorry guys this is indefensible, no rationale can be applied. I for one am getting tired of seeing this Raiders logic being applied to our team.

You just contradicted yourself saying we took a slow short CB and then said we draft with Raiders logic which is taking the fastest player available.

Anyway Smith plays a lot faster than his 40 time suggests. I'm sure you thought Rice would be bad too because he had a bad 40 time. Everything we did filled a need and helped our team in multiple facets of the game. And that 1st round pick next season is going to be in the bottom half of the first round anyway. We still got the good 1st round pick

[09blowup]

You just contradicted yourself saying we took a slow short CB and then said we draft with Raiders logic which is taking the fastest player available.

Anyway Smith plays a lot faster than his 40 time suggests. I'm sure you thought Rice would be bad too because he had a bad 40 time. Everything we did filled a need and helped our team in multiple facets of the game. And that 1st round pick next season is going to be in the bottom half of the first round anyway. We still got the good 1st round pick

Maybe this will frame it better for you. Stupid is as stupid does.

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Smith is an interception ballhawk on the same level as Tyrone Braxton. Solid pick.:logo:

[beastlyskronk]

Maybe this will frame it better for you. Stupid is as stupid does.

Fact is, you have no proof that Smith is going to be a bad player. He was a great player in college. His combine doesn't match up with his on field measurables. Smith can be a great nickleback, immediately in his first season. Would you rather have him or Jack Williams who was terrible last season?

[lvbronx]

Those that are complaining are 1) prob still stinging over their pouty gunslinging mental midget being gone, so they have to dig up more issues to try and support their complaining, and the draft is a convineint venue, and 2) dont understand the basics of Football, esp in regard to an effective, punishing ground game and how that helps a defense.

Did not anyone watch the Broncos last year, and SEE how Hillis and the ground game, when he was a starter, helped the D?

I just ignore the complainers. Not worth the effort. Yeah I didnt get all my guys (except Moreno), but Im not going to sit in the corner and pout and whine about it. :logo:

Good points all! :salute!:

Yep. I agree. The same when Pittman was healthy. The key was how the offense performed in the red zone when either Hillis or Pittman were playing. Which is exactly why we don't need Moreno.

You said it yourself, we did well when Hillis was playing. So, play Hillis and resign Pittman, instead of bringing in 3 retread FA RBs and spending a #1 on another.

Now, did you notice how our D affected our O? There were games last year when we never had the ball. Spend the #1 on a D player that can help end drives and get the ball back to our O.

[09blowup]

Good point and I hope your right. I just get so pissed about some of this stuff. I guess I am not much into change after all. :salute!:

[lvbronx]

You guys say why take a RB when we already have a whole bunch, well again last season all of our RBs got injured and we added a bunch of RBs, that is true but all of them are injury prone as well. Moreno isn't really injury prone and is imo a Clinton Portis clone right now.


If by clone you don't count their speed:

Portis ran a 4.3 coming out and was one of the fastest players in the draft that year. Moreno runs a 4.6.

Plus, we got Portis in the 2nd and recent history shows there's plenty of very good RBs available after the first round.

[beastlyskronk]

Yep. I agree. The same when Pittman was healthy. The key was how the offense performed in the red zone when either Hillis or Pittman were playing. Which is exactly why we don't need Moreno.

You said it yourself, we did well when Hillis was playing. So, play Hillis and resign Pittman, instead of bringing in 3 retread FA RBs and spending a #1 on another.

Now, did you notice how our D affected our O? There were games last year when we never had the ball. Spend the #1 on a D player that can help end drives and get the ball back to our O.

Didn't Pittman have a neck injury? I don't think he could come back if he wanted but then again our crackheaded medical team would probably pass him to play. Hillis, Torrain, and Jordan can play the role of a goalline back. Moreno is more than likely going to be splitting time with either Buckhalter or Aarington as our main back. He'll also get a lot of 3rd down plays since he's probably the most complete back on our team right now.

Yeah our D affected our O but do you remember that stretch where our offense was really struggling and our defense was keeping us in games? But then in the 2nd half they started tiring out and we started having close games? It was around the time of our loss to KC. I think the affect our O had on our D was much larger than the other way around.

[beastlyskronk]

If by clone you don't count their speed:

Portis ran a 4.3 coming out and was one of the fastest players in the draft that year. Moreno runs a 4.6.

Plus, we got Portis in the 2nd and recent history shows there's plenty of very good RBs available after the first round.

Moreno ran a 4.55 at his Pro Day but anyone can look at his game tape and realized he plays around 4.4 and not 4.5. Not as fast as Portis but just about everything else is the same. Portis should have been a first round pick though.

And Philly would have likely traded up to get him if we didn't take him at 12. I really didn't want Moreno at first but after I thought about I realized how much it would help our team.

[lvbronx]

Fact is, you have no proof that Smith is going to be a bad player. He was a great player in college. His combine doesn't match up with his on field measurables. Smith can be a great nickleback, immediately in his first season. Would you rather have him or Jack Williams who was terrible last season?

And, you have no proof Smith is going to be a good player.

Let's assume the Bronco's pick will be 15-16 next year, which is average. It could be better, it could be worse, but this is in the middle.

I'll bet there's a better player at 16 next year than Smith is.

Truth is, this is NOT the Patriot way, it is the exact opposite. Notice what the Pats did? They traded #3s this year for #2s next and have 3 #2s in the 2010 draft.

This is also how we got Cutler...Shanny traded a #1 one year for more value the next.

[draco193]

I concur. We were 16th in scoring. Not like we couldn't use Moreno-Quinn. See RZ problems please.

We were tenth in offensive scoring. Defense and special teams scoring we were pretty much bottom of the barrel. RZ became an issue after losing our designated pounders of Pittman and Hillis. Tatum Bell never was a red zone threat.

Moreno is a good player, but, I dont think his value added will be as agreat to the overall team as if we had added either Orakpo or Jenkins at that twelfth pick.

[beastlyskronk]

And, you have no proof Smith is going to be a good player.

Let's assume the Bronco's pick will be 15-16 next year, which is average. It could be better, it could be worse, but this is in the middle.

I'll bet there's a better player at 16 next year than Smith is.

Truth is, this is NOT the Patriot way, it is the exact opposite. Notice what the Pats did? They traded #3s this year for #2s next and have 3 #2s in the 2010 draft.

This is also how we got Cutler...Shanny traded a #1 one year for more value the next.

Smith played great in college so I have more backing me when I say he'll be a good player than you do when you say he won't be.

We're not playing for next year, we're playing for this season. McD wants to win now and that is what he is building our team for. And all at the same time he's building for the future as well.

This isn't the Patriot way? Hah I'm pretty sure the Patriots have never had as many holes as we do now. They can trade back and back and back until the get a whole bunch of picks for next year's draft but we can't do that. We have to many holes to fill NOW. The Patriots can do things like this and still be good for the upcoming season, we can't do that, we have to get as many picks as possible to fill holes so we can compete for the upcoming season.

[DIEHARDCANADIAN]

The blocking TE just proves that McD is committed to pounding the rock and keeping opposes offenses off of the field which helps our defense by keeping them rested and giving the offense less time to rack up yards. Plus he fits the system and Scheffler now become a valuable playing card in this draft.[/QUOTE]

I am starting to accept Moreno as being a decent pick and he will definitely help out our running game. I just felt that Orakpo was available we were going to draft him and when we didn't I was choked. But I understand that Mcdaniels and Xanders felt highly about him that I will learn to accept it.

Ayers was a good pick. But I am seriously questioning trading our number 1 and not Chicago's next year for Alphonso Smith. Everything I have seen about Smith looks good. He's a ballhawk, but that pick could turn out to be a top 5 or 10 pick next year. I was hoping we would draft Cutler's replacement with that pick.

I like the pick of the safety aswell. I would rather of had Rashad Johnson or Will Moore but at least they are addressing a need on our defense with our aging secondary and he may turn out to be better.

The TE pick was ridiculous though. He could easily of been had with our first pick in the third round and we would of had another chance to draft someone that could compete for a roster spot. I mean come on 12 catches in his career he may even of been there in the 4th round.