MMA vs BOXING

[jaycuthroat]

So is MMA going to take over and is boxing going to die out. Or is boxing the better sport and more humane sport which will keep it as #1 combat sport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JePV1Lb8SWU Joe Rogans opinion.
Thoughts?

[ebsoria]

Boxing has been limping along for quite awhile now. There is no "hero"; No Ali. No Tyson. No one really to hang a hat on to get excited about. To the casual observer it is slow and the fights usually lumber on. To the true fan they are exciting.... but you need to draw the casual fan in order to grow your sport.

MMA, right now is young and exciting. It is full of action and, sad to say, blood. With society headed the way it is with energy drinks, bigger faster scarier amusement park rides, riskier thrills and living on the edge, MMA is capturing the imagination of the casual and hardcore fan. It's being marketed properly and training gyms are springing up EVERYwhere. The 30 year old d-bag who wishes he could fight is watching these exciting fights and dreaming of getting his boy into fighting at a younger age.

You've got a variety of disciplines converging into one sport(hence the mixed in MMA), thus creating an arena where the best of the best get to test their mettle and abilities against other disciplines. In boxing you've got.... well.... boxing. In MMA you can whoop out your boxing ability if it is your strength.

In my eyes there will always be boxing. But it is going to get relegated to the back seat; kinda like the NFL has done to "America's Pastime" with baseball.

[jaycuthroat]

Boxing has been limping along for quite awhile now. There is no "hero"; No Ali. No Tyson. No one really to hang a hat on to get excited about. To the casual observer it is slow and the fights usually lumber on. To the true fan they are exciting.... but you need to draw the casual fan in order to grow your sport.

MMA, right now is young and exciting. It is full of action and, sad to say, blood. With society headed the way it is with energy drinks, bigger faster scarier amusement park rides, riskier thrills and living on the edge, MMA is capturing the imagination of the casual and hardcore fan. It's being marketed properly and training gyms are springing up EVERYwhere. The 30 year old d-bag who wishes he could fight is watching these exciting fights and dreaming of getting his boy into fighting at a younger age.

You've got a variety of disciplines converging into one sport(hence the mixed in MMA), thus creating an arena where the best of the best get to test their mettle and abilities against other disciplines. In boxing you've got.... well.... boxing. In MMA you can whoop out your boxing ability if it is your strength.

In my eyes there will always be boxing. But it is going to get relegated to the back seat; kinda like the NFL has done to "America's Pastime" with baseball.

I think boxing needs some more young great american boxers to get there mojo back lol

[ebsoria]

I think boxing needs some more young great american boxers to get there mojo back lol

I dont think that's gonna happen anytime soon. That "young, great American" that you speak of is going to get into an octogon before he get's into the ring. He's gonna be multi-faceted in his training and sticking to just boxing isn't gonna happen. He may prove to be a whiz in the boxing ring... but the eight sided cage is gonna pull him.

What would save boxing would be an up and comer in the boxing circles getting into MMA and dominating both sports. Then, and only then, do I think boxing will stand a chance.

[jaycuthroat]

I dont think that's gonna happen anytime soon. That "young, great American" that you speak of is going to get into an octogon before he get's into the ring. He's gonna be multi-faceted in his training and sticking to just boxing isn't gonna happen. He may prove to be a whiz in the boxing ring... but the eight sided cage is gonna pull him.

What would save boxing would be an up and comer in the boxing circles getting into MMA and dominating both sports. Then, and only then, do I think boxing will stand a chance.
But theres alot more money in boxing to pull them in.

[GridironChamp]

But theres alot more money in boxing to pull them in.

And that is what is keeping boxing a float.

Younger people (30 and below) would much rather watch the fast paced fighting
of MMA than the slow dancing decisions of boxing.

In 10 years MMA will pass boxing as the #1 combat sport, IMO, because if you
go ask any person in a frat house, at college, or just out of college which they
prefer theyw ill say MMA. I never once heard someone try to talk boxing in 4
years of highschool. All the younger people like MMA.

[jaycuthroat]

And that is what is keeping boxing a float.

Younger people (30 and below) would much rather watch the fast paced fighting
of MMA than the slow dancing decisions of boxing.

In 10 years MMA will pass boxing as the #1 combat sport, IMO, because if you
go ask any person in a frat house, at college, or just out of college which they
prefer theyw ill say MMA. I never once heard someone try to talk boxing in 4
years of highschool. All the younger people like MMA.

Ya im in highschool lol. I try and talk boxing but all i hear is " Roy Jones jr stil boxing? or Mike Tyson was beast" no1 watches it any more. But as of right now those pacman fighta and mayweather fights wont be matched by mma in a while but i enjoy mma more and it is going to pass boxing.

[// / yardo]

A few years ago if you asked boxing advocates this same question, they would have said "MMA is just the newest fad... blah blah blah. It'll burn out and boxing will always be number one."

My thoughts on MMA have always been that it will surpass boxing and it's going to grow and grow and grow.

It's so much more of an entertaining sport. You get all facets of a full on fight. I mean, it's hard not to appreciate a fight ending with a kick to the face or a flying knee or even some dudes elbow being bent beyond its capacity.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

I'm not a huge fan of either, but I think if MMA ever becomes bigger than Boxing it will epitomize the stupidity of America. To me the only thing worse than how barbaric and stupid MMA is, is how people get enjoyment and satisfaction out of watching someone get hurt like that. I don't really like Boxing either for similar reasons, but at least they fight with gloves and there seems to be actual rules.

When I see a bunch of morons freaking out over two guys beating the living hell out of eachother, I take a step back and realize how ignorant most people really are. I mean I know football is a pretty barbaric sport, but it's not two guys beating the living hell out of eachother to the point where they are bleeding.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

And that is what is keeping boxing a float.

Younger people (30 and below) would much rather watch the fast paced fighting
of MMA than the slow dancing decisions of boxing.


Call me an exception.

[// / yardo]

I'm not a huge fan of either, but I think if MMA ever becomes bigger than Boxing it will epitomize the stupidity of America. To me the only thing worse than how barbaric and stupid MMA is, is how people get enjoyment and satisfaction out of watching someone get hurt like that. I don't really like Boxing either for similar reasons, but at least they fight with gloves and there seems to be actual rules.

When I see a bunch of morons freaking out over two guys beating the living hell out of eachother, I take a step back and realize how ignorant most people really are. I mean I know football is a pretty barbaric sport, but it's not two guys beating the living hell out of eachother to the point where they are bleeding.

But yet you're a football fan. LMAO!

I've seen blood on the field plenty of times and there are BY FAR worse injuries on the football field than there are in MMA.

Quite frankly the rest of the world, that is apparently on a pedestal compared to us "stupid" Americans, have similar if not worse and less sanctioned contact fighting sports.

[jaycuthroat]

But yet you're a football fan. LMAO!

I've seen blood on the field plenty of times and there are BY FAR worse injuries on the football field than there are in MMA.

Quite frankly the rest of the world, that is apparently on a pedestal compared to us "stupid" Americans, have similar if not worse and less sanctioned contact fighting sports.

Dont compare football to mma. You were pads and a HELMET, and the objective is not to beat the hell out of the other guy. I no theres been bad injuries but there not going out there to injure others as you are in MMA. I love mma but cmon

[Nightwing]

I'm not a huge fan of either, but I think if MMA ever becomes bigger than Boxing it will epitomize the stupidity of America. To me the only thing worse than how barbaric and stupid MMA is, is how people get enjoyment and satisfaction out of watching someone get hurt like that. I don't really like Boxing either for similar reasons, but at least they fight with gloves and there seems to be actual rules.

When I see a bunch of morons freaking out over two guys beating the living hell out of eachother, I take a step back and realize how ignorant most people really are. I mean I know football is a pretty barbaric sport, but it's not two guys beating the living hell out of eachother to the point where they are bleeding.

You're entitled to your own opinion and you have the right to express it. However, calling people ignorant for enjoying mixed martial arts or boxing, is in fact ignorance in and of itself.

Combat sports, such as those two, are sports are the purest form. There is no team. If you win, it's all on you, and it's the same if you lose. I would most definitely say 'barbaric and stupid' is an exaggeration. If you're unable to see the technique in striking or grappling, I think that's an example of ignorance towards the sport. To use Muay Thai as an example, has been around since ancient times. Like I said, you're more than entitled to your opinion, but showing contempt for a sport far older than any of our own is a little strange to me.

Also, boxing has actually been proven to have much more detrimental long term health problems. The rules that you mentioned (which MMA has plenty of, that's why they are sanctioned by an athletic commission) are some of the causes for brain damage. The standing count would be a good example. Taking repeated blows and then given a chance to stand up, only to have it repeat again is going to have worse long term effects. In MMA if you're knocked down and out of it, it's done, over, no standing count.

More than that mixed martial arts is far more than two guys standing in the middle of the octagon and slugging it out. That would be the view point of someone who hasn't seen very many fights. Just as much happens on the ground, and when you have two BJJ masters, it's just as exciting as any knock out.

There are also far more debilitating injuries that take place on the football field. You'll see more spinal cord and serious neck injuries take place there. in that sense I would say it's just as barbaric...though I don't view either as being remotely barbaric.

[jaycuthroat]

You're entitled to your own opinion and you have the right to express it. However, calling people ignorant for enjoying mixed martial arts or boxing, is in fact ignorance in and of itself.

Combat sports, such as those two, are sports are the purest form. There is no team. If you win, it's all on you, and it's the same if you lose. I would most definitely say 'barbaric and stupid' is an exaggeration. If you're unable to see the technique in striking or grappling, I think that's an example of ignorance towards the sport. To use Muay Thai as an example, has been around since ancient times. Like I said, you're more than entitled to your opinion, but showing contempt for a sport far older than any of our owns is a little strange to me.

Also, boxing has actually been proven to have much more detrimental long term health problems. The rules that you mentioned (which MMA has plenty of, that's why they are sanctioned by an athletic commission) are some of the causes for brain damage. The standing count would be a good example. Taking repeated blows and then given a chance to stand up, only to have it repeat again is going to have worse long term effects. In MMA if you're knocked down and out of it, it's done, over, no standing count.

More than that mixed martial arts is far more than two guys standing in the middle of the octagon and slugging it out. That would be the view point of someone who hasn't seen very many fights. Just as much happens on the ground, and when you have two BJJ masters, it's just as exciting as any knock out.

There are also far more debilitating injuries that take place on the football field. You'll see more spinal cord and serious neck injuries take place there. in that sense I would say it's just as barbaric...though I don't view either as being remotely barbaric.
Totally agree, It is true competition no1 to bail you out or to make you look good its all on you. When mma is fought right its beautiful, nice judo throws, takedowns, sprawls, submissions. But very often it becomes a barbaric brawl.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

I learned that wrestling is what you'd consider one of the toughest sports but when you mix in every other type of fighting there is there's no comparing how tough the sport is and how much you should respect it.

This sport is a thing of beauty if you think about it. It's man vs man, no teams no help, just yourself against another opponent to see who is the better fighter. It's basically you vs your opponent but most especially you vs yourself.

Calling it barbaric is totally wrong, if you're talking about before when groin kicks, headbutts, etc were allowed then yes I too would call it barbaric but now it's an organized sport with rules to protect the fighters so no I wouldn't consider it barbaric at all.

[Spice 1]

There are only two guys in MMA that I even bother with. Saint Pierre and Diego Sanchez. Most of the MMA fighters really aren't very good fighters at all. I remember back in the day, when there were no rules, and fighters were unique. Now, it seems like all these guys are brown belts in Jujitsu, or Tai fighters. None of them seem to be very good at either though. The heavyweights are the worst, from what I've seen. Guys like Lesner are big, and athletic. They are not very good fighters though. All it's going to take is one punch to put them on the mat. That's what Happened to Liddel. All he did was throw haymakers at people, he left himself wide open. I don't think there should be rules in MMA. The best fighters would come back. I don't think it's better than boxing, but it has the potential to be.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

But yet you're a football fan. LMAO!

I've seen blood on the field plenty of times and there are BY FAR worse injuries on the football field than there are in MMA.

Quite frankly the rest of the world, that is apparently on a pedestal compared to us "stupid" Americans, have similar if not worse and less sanctioned contact fighting sports.

Right... cause in football they condone beating someone until they are bleeding. :rolleyes:

Sure injuries happen in contact sports like Football, but they are not the GOAL of the entire sport. The Goal of MMA is to defeat the other person by hurting them. How is that not barbaric?

[Nightwing]

Right... cause in football they condone beating someone until they are bleeding. :rolleyes:

Sure injuries happen in contact sports like Football, but they are not the GOAL of the entire sport. The Goal of MMA is to defeat the other person by hurting them. How is that not barbaric?

When two mixed martial artists enter the ring it isn't their intention to 'beat someone until they are bleeding'. You're displaying tremendous levels of ignorance, which is something you brought up in the first place

As for the goal of the entire sport? How could you possibly know that when you've shown that you don't understand the sport itself. And actually, one of the main points of defense is tackling, is it not? When you not consider that a violent action? Do crowds not 'oooh and ahh' when the quaterback takes a vicious sack?

Let's use an example of a guillotine choke. It's a blood choke, not a wind choke, which means it's blocking off blood flow to the brain. Sounds barbaric? Let's consider what actually happens. The fighter caught in the choke either taps within a few seconds of it being locked it, or is out for a very small amount of time. No damage done. He can get back up and be none the worse for wear. A quaterback gets hits low, ala Carson Palmer, and their knee is blown. Which is more violent?

[// / yardo]

Right... cause in football they condone beating someone until they are bleeding. :rolleyes:

Sure injuries happen in contact sports like Football, but they are not the GOAL of the entire sport. The Goal of MMA is to defeat the other person by hurting them. How is that not barbaric?

The outspoken goal of a linebacker is to "kill the quarterback". How is that not barbaric. A blindsided, full speed, all out hit to a QB is worse than any punch or kick.

Furthermore, in MMA if the guy is knocked out, he's done. He won't see contact for at least six weeks whereas a QB could be back on the field after a few plays and most likely the next week.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

When two mixed martial artists enter the ring it isn't their intention to 'beat someone until they are bleeding'. You're displaying tremendous levels of ignorance, which is something you brought up in the first place


I said that it was condoned. If you want to talk ignorance, learn how to read and interpret sentences, then come back here.

I hardly watch MMA fights, but I have seen them before, bloodshed is common. MMA is where direct and intentional blows to the head happen. See the difference is, this may happen in football, but unlike MMA, it's not allowed.

In the NFL, the goal of a linebacker sometimes may be to sack a Quarterback, but there's a reason for the roughing the passer penalty. The sport does not condone roughing the quarterback .

Don't start bringing up all of these absurdly stupid choke moves.
Did you say cuts off bloodflow to the brain? WOW AWESOME! Sign me up. :rolleyes:

[Nightwing]

I said that it was condoned. If you want to talk ignorance, learn how to read and interpret sentences, then come back here.

I hardly watch MMA fights, but I have seen them before, bloodshed is common. MMA is where direct and intentional blows to the head happen. See the difference is, this may happen in football, but unlike MMA, it's not allowed.

In the NFL, the goal of a linebacker sometimes may be to sack a Quarterback, but there's a reason for the roughing the passer penalty. The sport does not condone roughing the quarterback .

Don't start bringing up all of these absurdly stupid choke moves.
Did you say cuts off bloodflow to the brain? WOW AWESOME! Sign me up. :rolleyes:

First, you may want to look up the definition of ignorance, because it means something entirely different than the way you're using it. Just thought you might want to know.

You hardly watch MMA fights at all. There you go. You have little to no knowledge of what mixed martial arts actually involves. You don't have an educated opinion on the subject so lets stop pretending that you do.

Bloodshed isn't as common as you think. And are you aware of what causes the majority of cuts? Probably not. It's elbows, if you were wondering. Not 'two guys slugging it out in a barbaric manner', like you want to believe. And the way that one cuts someone with an elbow isn't by brute force. Slamming your elbow into someone's face? You don't see that. But I don't expect an uneducated and ignorant person in the ways of MMA to understand that.

When helmet to helmet contact happens in the NFL, and it does, don't try to pretend otherwise, you risk serious injury. Spinal cord damage, broken neck, you name it. It's entirely different than throwing a jab to keep distance. Not even a decent comparison.

Actually the majority of NFL defenders are against the roughing the passer penalty that you're trying to use an example. And defensive ends are granted more lucrative contracts depending on their sack total. That's a fact. So yes, you better believe they have bad intentions for the quaterback on every play. But it's semantics, because you're trying to compare two completely different things.

And once again you display you're complete lack of knowledge by referring to 'stupid choke holds'. I definitely think you would have a new found respect for those 'stupid choke holds' if you were a participant in a BJJ class for five minutes of your life.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

I'm not hiding anything, I don't watch MMA and I don't know a lot about it. But there are many things you can pull out by watching MMA even if you only watch it once. I admit I may have gone a little far, I just see things an entirely different way than you. But you're right, it's not worth arguing because I don't know MMA well enough, and I loathe it far too much to ever watch it.

[Nightwing]

I'm not hiding anything, I don't watch MMA and I don't know a lot about it. But there are many things you can pull out by watching MMA even if you only watch it once. I admit I may have gone a little far, I just see things an entirely different way than you. But you're right, it's not worth arguing because I don't know MMA well enough, and I loathe it far too much to ever watch it.

That's an opinion that I can understand. You don't like mixed martial arts and you don't have to, by any means. I can see why you would perceive it as barbaric because in the early days of the sport it most definitely was. It's done a tremendous amount of growing in the past few years.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I love football, I don't want anyone to think otherwise from my posts. They are just two completely separate animals.

[TRUEBRONCOFAN24]

That's an opinion that I can understand. You don't like mixed martial arts and you don't have to, by any means. I can see why you would perceive it as barbaric because in the early days of the sport it most definitely was. It's done a tremendous amount of growing in the past few years.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I love football, I don't want anyone to think otherwise from my posts. They are just two completely separate animals.

I can respect that :salute!: Honestly I really shouldn't be ripping into something I really don't know much about, even if it's not my cup of tea. I apologize for crossing the line a bit there.

[jcdavey]

So is MMA going to take over and is boxing going to die out. Or is boxing the better sport and more humane sport which will keep it as #1 combat sport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JePV1Lb8SWU Joe Rogans opinion.
Thoughts?boxing is more humane for sure

but it's also shadier and the judges suck far worse

it's just not as exciting anymore, part of that is, society grows more brutal by the day

[tpryce93]

Boxing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MMA


I wanna watch 2 guys slugging the crap out of each other. Not rolling around on the ground half-naked with each other. Just my opinion.

[OaklandxxRaider]

Boxing just continues a downward spiral. As many have pointed out in previous posts, theres not really anything to grab people anymore. MMA is new and fresh, and provides alot of action. So, even for the untrained eye, its often fun to watch two men display such great abilities. I would have to say at this point in time, MMA is better than boxing. Boxing will never go away however.

[jcdavey]

in fact, MMA is really, boxing plus more disciplines

so in reality, boxing is part of MMA, which means MMA is better

[OaklandxxRaider]

in fact, MMA is really, boxing plus more disciplines

so in reality, boxing is part of MMA, which means MMA is better

Very true. It will be almost impossible IMO for boxing to surpass such a diverse sport. Considering, as you said, boxing is a part of MMA, and then some... that makes it an uphill fight for the boxing world.

[armedequation]

boxing is anything but boring, you just have to know who to watch. Just like its always beendont tell me that mma isnt slow. Sometimes its 15 minutes of positioning

[jaycuthroat]

in fact, MMA is really, boxing plus more disciplines

so in reality, boxing is part of MMA, which means MMA is better

Not true. Mma fighters try to box but most of there boxing is horrible. See the best striker with his hands in the sport, Chuck Liddells boxing is pretty horendous.But I do like mma more.

[LbloodOjunkieG]

Boxing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MMA


I wanna watch 2 guys slugging the crap out of each other. Not rolling around on the ground half-naked with each other. Just my opinion.

I totally agree. I love watching boxing matches, but MMA, or UFC, just doesn't do it for me. I don't see the appeal. My brother watches the UFC and idk, I just don't get it. To me, boxing is much more entertaining.

[Bronco_Armada]

I prefer boxing. Combination of speed, elegance, coordination, and intelligence.

MMA has always reminded me of bar room brawls. People claim that they are trained in this martial art or that but when they fight, very little evidence of it, a kick or 2 and they are on the ground.

[Bronco_Armada]

boxing is more humane for sure

but it's also shadier and the judges suck far worse

it's just not as exciting anymore, part of that is, society grows more brutal by the day

Or are we going back to our original roots?

[LarryDean]

What do you guys think about the hand speed of a champion boxer as compaired to the avg MMA striker ... ???

[LbloodOjunkieG]

What do you guys think about the hand speed of a champion boxer as compaired to the avg MMA striker ... ???

Well I would assume the boxer has faster hand speed.

[LarryDean]

Well I would assume the boxer has faster hand speed.

Good to see ya bro ...

So would I .

[LbloodOjunkieG]

Good to see ya bro ...

So would I .

How you doing meng? :salute:

As far as your original question, you are comparing a CHAMPION boxer, to an AVERAGE MMA fighter. In that case I think the boxer definitely has faster hands. If the boxer was a champion boxer, and the MMA fighter was also a champion fighter, I'd still think the boxer has faster hand speed.

[LarryDean]

How you doing meng? :salute:

As far as your original question, you are comparing a CHAMPION boxer, to an AVERAGE MMA fighter. In that case I think the boxer definitely has faster hands. If the boxer was a champion boxer, and the MMA fighter was also a champion fighter, I'd still think the boxer has faster hand speed.

Same .. Boxing is was the worst managed sport in history ... dunno mafia maybe ...

Still the lengends will always remain ... As the badest man on the planet ...

MMA though really was much needed .... Still though dont confuse someone like foreman and frazier as anything less then ....bad ass


edit

For istance .... Boxing and MMA is sport .....

the sport of boxing is fist only and with that .... its a different story because ....Someone like Lesnar would get ktfo

[Nightwing]

It's not really a fair comparison between striking in MMA and boxing.

A boxer gets to dedicate himself to a single discipline. His training is completely centered around boxing and so when he reaches world champion levels, his striking skills are obviously going to be very honed and sharp.

A mixed martial artists has to train in several different disciplines. Even if his base were to be boxing his stance is going to be completely different as he has to defend the take down. And I agree that a world class boxer is going to have the faster hand speed than a world class mixed martial artist 99.9 percent of the time

But if we were speaking strictly on striking? K1 Max has the best strikers in the world. That'd be a better comparison but even then most of the K1 strikers have a background in kickboxing or muay thai, generally. Which fought under K1 rules would be a huge disadvantage to a boxer. And sorry if there are tons of typos, I'm half asleep.

[LarryDean]

It's not really a fair comparison between striking in MMA and boxing.

A boxer gets to dedicate himself to a single discipline. His training is completely centered around boxing and so when he reaches world champion levels, his striking skills are obviously going to be very honed and sharp.

A mixed martial artists has to train in several different disciplines. Even if his base were to be boxing his stance is going to be completely different as he has to defend the take down. And I agree that a world class boxer is going to have the faster hand speed than a world class mixed martial artist 99.9 percent of the time

But if we were speaking strictly on striking? K1 Max has the best strikers in the world. That'd be a better comparison but even then most of the K1 strikers have a background in kickboxing or muay thai, generally. Which fought under K1 rules would be a huge disadvantage to a boxer. And sorry if there are tons of typos, I'm half asleep.

No I'm talking about taking the language out of striking and striker and call it what it is ....

Right jab,left cross is just that .... The sport of boxing is just that and not many MMA fighters would fare well there vice versa

And we will never know how a champion boxer would do in MMA like Wladimir Klitschko and thats fine by me

because Klitschko is very bad man and no worries about the typos coming from me ever unless its Shanhhan .. Mechlenburg

I think MMA as a sport is better then boxing and will continue to grow in popularity .....

[GridironChamp]

Not true. Mma fighters try to box but most of there boxing is horrible. See the best striker with his hands in the sport, Chuck Liddells boxing is pretty horendous.But I do like mma more.

Well you have to look at these things

1) An MMA stance is different than a traditional boxing stance

2) Liddell is actually a bad boxer, he is a good striker but not boxer.

3) You have to worry about far to many things in MMA, you can't just watch for
punches.

[GridironChamp]

What do you guys think about the hand speed of a champion boxer as compaired to the avg MMA striker ... ???

Pound for pound fastest hands is probably a boxer, but Vitor Belfort would give
them a run for the money.

[GridironChamp]

And we will never know how a champion boxer would do in MMA like Wladimir Klitschko and thats fine by me
.....

Well you can get a slight idea...

Ray Mercer was 36-7 in his Pro boxing career, then went and lost his first MMA
fight to a scrub, ala Kimbo Slice. Now he redeemed himself by beating an ex-UFC
Champion in Tim Sylvia... But Sylvia is soooo bad now it's not even funny.

[LarryDean]

Ray Mercer has been around so freaking long him vs real deal was such a great fight first heavy weight to knock down holyfield if I member correct ....

I would say for the most part a really good MMA fighter would own the avg boxer but that is kinda of taking the thread topic out of text ...

I think MMA will and has alrdy surpassed boxing as far as taking over ...

I thinking boxing will actually benefit from mma but will not be as big as it was or what mma will turn out to be ...

Boxing needs reformed bad ...

[conannilsen]

Speaking of MMA 4 ex Football players will be part of the next TUF.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

Speaking of MMA 4 ex Football players will be part of the next TUF.

Speaking of football players look at good old Johnny Morton of the Chiefs in his mma debut a while ago :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mniHJAQmNG8

[tpryce93]

I would say for the most part a really good MMA fighter would own the avg boxer but that is kinda of taking the thread topic out of text ...


Nah. I think any boxer worth his weight would have the MMA knocked the eff out before the MMA guy even had a chance to grapple or attempt a takedown.

And the only way somebody in the MMA is gonna beat a pro boxer is on the ground.

[Nightwing]

Nah. I think any boxer worth his weight would have the MMA knocked the eff out before the MMA guy even had a chance to grapple or attempt a takedown.

And the only way somebody in the MMA is gonna beat a pro boxer is on the ground.

The main reason I disagree with that is that elite strikers in mixed martial arts have many more weapons at their disposal. Keeping it strictly on the feet still puts the boxer at a disadvantage if his opponent decides not to box with him.

My main example would be a prime Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipovic. He can generate more power with his kicks than the average boxer can with a punch. One head kick is pretty much lights out, instant KO.

Then you include elbows, knees, thai clinch...the striking is just much more diverse and the boxer would be at a disadvantage because he is confined to only punches. I just think it would be unfair. A boxer hasn't been trained to check leg kicks, and if he were to get hit with even just two or three, he's not going to be able to walk

If they're in a boxing match, boxer wins hands down. But if it's a match contested under K-1 style rules then the other fighter wins.

[tpryce93]

The main reason I disagree with that is that elite strikers in mixed martial arts have many more weapons at their disposal. Keeping it strictly on the feet still puts the boxer at a disadvantage if his opponent decides not to box with him.

My main example would be a prime Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipovic. He can generate more power with his kicks than the average boxer can with a punch. One head kick is pretty much lights out, instant KO.

Then you include elbows, knees, thai clinch...the striking is just much more diverse and the boxer would be at a disadvantage because he is confined to only punches. I just think it would be unfair. A boxer hasn't been trained to check leg kicks, and if he were to get hit with even just two or three, he's not going to be able to walk

If they're in a boxing match, boxer wins hands down. But if it's a match contested under K-1 style rules then the other fighter wins.

I just don't know how an MMA fighter is going to defend against the flurry of head shots coming there way. Not to mention they have HORRIBLE stance and leave there head open constantly. And the boxer doesn't have gloves on so he's gonna be hitting twice as hard as he does in a boxing match. And it seems like every MMA fight i watch that ends in a knockout, the guy gets punched in the face a few times and he's out or they stop the match. Whereas boxers are taking very hard hits to the head for multiple rounds.

It's all pretty much moot because it's not like there's ever gonna be a Boxing VS. MMA tournament or something.

Though that would be pretty cool.

[LarryDean]

Nah. I think any boxer worth his weight would have the MMA knocked the eff out before the MMA guy even had a chance to grapple or attempt a takedown.

And the only way somebody in the MMA is gonna beat a pro boxer is on the ground.

I think an avg boxer mite have a punchers chance and thats about it ... Its hard to say really though each fight is different ...

results may vary

[Nightwing]

I just don't know how an MMA fighter is going to defend against the flurry of head shots coming there way. Not to mention they have HORRIBLE stance and leave there head open constantly. And the boxer doesn't have gloves on so he's gonna be hitting twice as hard as he does in a boxing match. And it seems like every MMA fight i watch that ends in a knockout, the guy gets punched in the face a few times and he's out or they stop the match. Whereas boxers are taking very hard hits to the head for multiple rounds.

It's all pretty much moot because it's not like there's ever gonna be a Boxing VS. MMA tournament or something.

Though that would be pretty cool.

The reason that you see more knockouts in mixed martial arts is exactly because of the gloves they wear. The 4 oz gloves provide no padding to the punches. The reason they are used is to prevent the fighter from breaking his knuckles. The gloves used in boxing are much larger, and while the punches certainly still hurt a lot, they are able to absorb more because of that.

You're right though, it's all hypothetical, and there are too many variables to really be able to say definitively what would happen.

What I believe is that 99 percent of the time a boxer would win in a boxing match, and the MMA fighter would win an MMA fight. Outside of that it's just speculation.

More power in general are created by kicks so the majority of the time I'm going to lean towards a kickboxer or Muay Thai fighter being able to win the striking contest. They just have more weapons and a lot of them are equal in speed. At the same time a boxer could land a flush shot on the jaw and end it.

I love both boxing and MMA. Boxing is corrupted almost beyond repair though. They have so many titles that none of them really mean anything anymore. And in general no one cares about the undercard on a boxing PPV. They don't do a good job marketing future stars. I think that's what needs to change for boxing to become huge again.

[licence_to_kill]

I love boxing and can't stand MMA. It's just not structured enough for me (Not to mention many MMA fans are huge tools).

The reason boxing is on the down turn is because the money. Why would our great athletes go out and get themselves killed when they could make more playing football, baseball, and basektball?

[jaycuthroat]

woaaaahhh Mayweather took a serious shot at MMA
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jul/21/mayweather-badmouths-mma-arum/

[LbloodOjunkieG]

woaaaahhh Mayweather took a serious shot at MMA
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jul/21/mayweather-badmouths-mma-arum/

I happen to agree with him. I hope there is a Mayweather - Pacquiao fight too.

[Nightwing]

Mayweather is just doing what he always does...talking trash, trying to hype a fight. But can you imagine the backlash if one of the Klitschko brothers had basically said the same thing?

Hope he does get his fight with Pacquiao