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jocool

09-01-2004, 08:21 PM

YUP!!! He should lose millions to her in the civil suit!!!!My 2 cents. Hes deserves what ever bad **** happened to him during and after all this. I mean, he cheated on his wife, as well as not wearing a condom.

As for her, so shes a little slut. I say Its good, that she exposed, the SUper high paid athlete, traveling from town to town cheating on there wife and children. I say good for that, mabye itll help keep the dumber Sports PROS from flipping --IT-- out, every 10 seconds. Seriously, though just get a hooker. Heh, millions of dollars Fame, fortune and most are as dumb as a freaking rock. Whats worse is KOby spoke 2 languages, nice going KOBE!:confused: :duh:

16milehigh87

09-01-2004, 09:23 PM

who cares go Broncos. What a waste of taxpayers money.

bleedbluorange

09-01-2004, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by jocool
YUP!!! He should lose millions to her in the civil suit!!!!My 2 cents. Hes deserves what ever bad **** happened to him during and after all this. I mean, he cheated on his wife, as well as not wearing a condom.

As for her, so shes a little slut. I say Its good, that she exposed, the SUper high paid athlete, traveling from town to town cheating on there wife and children. I say good for that, mabye itll help keep the dumber Sports PROS from flipping --IT-- out, every 10 seconds. Seriously, though just get a hooker. Heh, millions of dollars Fame, fortune and most are as dumb as a freaking rock. Whats worse is KOby spoke 2 languages, nice going KOBE!:confused: :duh: His wife got the ring for 4 mil. She's not mad, neither should anyone else be. All single or married guys should pay attention. This is what a skank can do. So fella's be careful, you dont have millions to defend yourselves.

theshiverman

09-01-2004, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by baileyforprez.
umm, kobe got out of paying that skank because he knew he didnt do anything that illegal, hes not a dumazz, you are.

Ah, yeah, sure man, ill take your word on that because you know so much about the legal system as we can all see.

orangenblue420

09-01-2004, 10:24 PM

There is something fishy about this - and he could not pay her in regards to a criminal suit - that is illegal - but it doesnt mean it didnt happen - the world may never know - it is being reported that he is going to vehimently defend himself in the civil matter, ie, he is not going to settle, as we all know, thanks to OJ, it is easier to be found guilty in a civil matter than it is a criminal - I dont know if you all saw the "apology" I saw bits n pieces, I wanna see the whole thing and fromwhat I heard he was asked/told to do this as a condition...

I also cant see how you backout 6 days before trial after a whole year of pursuing this, I honestly do not see that - but hey everyone is different

db32

09-02-2004, 01:20 AM

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I wasn't involved in the case. That said, I'm about to be a hypocrite on two counts.
First-couldn't we accuse the media of impeding due-process? (yes, that's regurgitation) Couldn't the media present the case in such a way that we beleive the antithesis to "innocent until proven guilty"?
Secondly-People conspire and will exploit another for personal gain without regard for their own conscience. They do this both knowlingly and without scruples.
Nothing was disclosed. Who knows anything of substance about what happened? 8 months from now, on good morning America, think we'll see a tell all book? If we do that's gonna prove this whole thing's a setup. If a year from now we forget this whole thing happened and the "victim" is still inconspicuous, then there might have been some substance to it.

OrangePeel

09-02-2004, 03:41 AM

maybe if you watched espn, the legal analysts says kobe will come out not paying anything. guess im right.

TXBRONC

09-02-2004, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Booher
OK I'm gonna say this slow for you

A CIVIL LAWSUIT IS DIFFERENT THAN A CRIMINAL LAWSUIT . THE CIVIL LAWSUIT IS STILL PENDING. He will be paying her off.

IMO I think that is the real reason she's backed out of the crimminal proceeding.

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
I also cant see how you backout 6 days before trial after a whole year of pursuing this, I honestly do not see that - but hey everyone is different

The prosecution dropped the case because there isn't a case there to begin with. Something smelled fishy in this case ever since the beginning. I (and many others think) that little Miss Sleazebag consented to bumpin' uglies with Mr. Sports Star then decided to go after his money. Getting the criminal case into court only sets up the civil case. The strategy hasn't been to lock Kobe up but to get a piece of his bank acct.

It's too bad that a woman can cry rape and automatically the man is guilty (in the media) regardless of the evidence! Just another reason to stick to the person you married and only that person (before or after the wedding.)

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by baileyforprez.
maybe if you watched espn, the legal analysts says kobe will come out not paying anything. guess im right.

ok kreskin - nobody knows yet whether kobe will pay anything - the civil trial has yet to happen - the analyst said Kobe will not settle - he will fight her in civil court - therefore it will be up to a jury to decide if he will be paying her anything -

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by TheGlue Factory
The prosecution dropped the case because there isn't a case there to begin with. Something smelled fishy in this case ever since the beginning. I (and many others think) that little Miss Sleazebag consented to bumpin' uglies with Mr. Sports Star then decided to go after his money. Getting the criminal case into court only sets up the civil case. The strategy hasn't been to lock Kobe up but to get a piece of his bank acct.

It's too bad that a woman can cry rape and automatically the man is guilty (in the media) regardless of the evidence! Just another reason to stick to the person you married and only that person (before or after the wedding.)

You cant assume that he is innocent just because she refused to testify either - this is going to one of those deals where we will probably never know the truth - its irritating to see people come to any conclusion in these types of situations

NJBRONCOSFAN

09-02-2004, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Booher
think again he's gonna pay.......civil suit is still pending......
what do you think her chances are in a civil suit when she wasn't even willing to go through with the criminal case?

Booher

09-02-2004, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
what do you think her chances are in a civil suit when she wasn't even willing to go through with the criminal case?

pretty good i'd say

jocool

09-02-2004, 09:41 AM

1) Does she have the guts to go full out after him, after all she has a good case, (the rumor is she consented to the sex, but he anal raped her and she said no to it! Thats where the blood came from!!!!

2) After all this does Koby have the where-with-all to out spend everyone and try to win??? Or, does he quitely pay her off to end the madness. I think If he settles out of court, hes afraid he will lose!

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 09:53 AM

Like I said earlier - you only need the greater weight of the evidence in a civil matter to prove guilt, meaning just 51%, so to speak, whereas in a criminal matter you need to be 100% sure, beyond a reasonable doubt - see the OJ criminal v civil matters -

Sometimes its confusing because how can a person be kind of guilty - but its the way it works -

and jo cool

to answer your first question - no she doesnt have the guts she already proved that by backing out - what is crazy is she is better protected from the media and such in a criminal matter than in a civil matter, so if she doesnt have the guts for a criminal trial I dont see how she thinks she will get through the civil, which is what I am sure they are hoping for - she is hoping they will want this to go away quick and therefore settle out of court - he has the advantage of money and being able to handle the press so to speak - she has the advantage of only having to prove a preponderance of the evidence

Kobe has plenty of money to defend this civil charge - no doubt - in her case i am sure the attorney is working on a contingent fee basis - so she wont have a problem taking this all the way either

jocool

09-02-2004, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
Like I said earlier - you only need the greater weight of the evidence in a civil matter to prove guilt, meaning just 51%, so to speak, whereas in a criminal matter you need to be 100% sure, beyond a reasonable doubt - see the OJ criminal v civil matters -

Sometimes its confusing because how can a person be kind of guilty - but its the way it works -

and jo cool

to answer your first question - no she doesnt have the guts she already proved that by backing out - what is crazy is she is better protected from the media and such in a criminal matter than in a civil matter, so if she doesnt have the guts for a criminal trial I dont see how she thinks she will get through the civil, which is what I am sure they are hoping for - she is hoping they will want this to go away quick and therefore settle out of court - he has the advantage of money and being able to handle the press so to speak - she has the advantage of only having to prove a preponderance of the evidence

Kobe has plenty of money to defend this civil charge - no doubt - in her case i am sure the attorney is working on a contingent fee basis - so she wont have a problem taking this all the way either

The civil trail doesnt have the burden of proof that a criminal trail has, its much easier to proof that what he did to here was wrong and that she should get compinsation for it. Criminal and Civil trails are 2 differnet areas of Law. O.J won the crimianl and lost the civil , I would think its gonna be the same way with this one. Especially if the rumor about the forced anal rape is true. It was supposedly the ACE- in - the- hole, the Prosecutution was holding back until the Criminal trail started.

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by jocool
The civil trail doesnt have the burden of proof that a criminal trail has, its much easier to proof that what he did to here was wrong and that she should get compinsation for it. Criminal and Civil trails are 2 differnet areas of Law. O.J won the crimianl and lost the civil , I would think its gonna be the same way with this one. Especially if the rumor about the forced anal rape is true. It was supposedly the ACE- in - the- hole, the Prosecutution was holding back until the Criminal trail started.

I am pretty sure I just said that but who knows :confused:

And just because they had anal sex doenst mean it was forced anal sex - she still has to make a jury believe that it was forced upon her - it may not be as easy as you think - it basically boils down to he said/she said - although I believe his "apology" will hurt him, although it supposedly wont be used against him in the civil matter - how are you going to find jurors who havent heard it - :rolleyes:

Mount-n-Groan

09-02-2004, 10:24 AM

Even if she doesn't win the civil case she'll make a ton of money off of her book - "Coming From Behind - How I got Kobe'd in the Back(side)"

;)

jocool

09-02-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Mount-n-Groan
Even if she doesn't win the civil case she'll make a ton of money off of her book - "Coming From Behind - How I got Kobe'd in the Back(side)"

;)

LOL!:D

broncos_chick

09-02-2004, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
what do you think her chances are in a civil suit when she wasn't even willing to go through with the criminal case?

Hard to say. I can't figure out why she initiated the criminal case to begin with, as criminal convictions have non-monetary results. On the other hand, all civil cases DO is go after money.

Maybe she thought a criminal conviction would be more "convincing" to the general public, and then afterward that same general public would shell out big $$$ for the book she would inevitably have written.

broncos4ever

09-02-2004, 10:40 AM

The problem is with her not going through with the criminal case is that it again proves "He who has the gold, makes the rules"

Many times her name was put out in public, as a mistake. Her entire life and character was assasinated. Her relationships were made known. All her "dirty laundry" was put out.

She was mentally, verbally beat down and possibly physically. Kobe did apologize for what happened "that night". We will never know what happened "that night."

She will probably win the civil case but if Kobe was guilty then that proves again "He who has the gold, makes the rules."

broncos_chick

09-02-2004, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by jocool
The civil trail doesnt have the burden of proof that a criminal trail has, its much easier to proof that what he did to here was wrong and that she should get compinsation for it. Criminal and Civil trails are 2 differnet areas of Law. O.J won the crimianl and lost the civil , I would think its gonna be the same way with this one. Especially if the rumor about the forced anal rape is true. It was supposedly the ACE- in - the- hole, the Prosecutution was holding back until the Criminal trail started.

I think the media was a huge factor in OJ's acquittal in the criminal proceeding. The evidence (in my humble Chick opinion) was overwhelming; yet the media, through constantly playing the race card and mixing innuendos and half-truths with the truth, was able to cast doubt into the minds of the jury. There was also (reportedly) more than one juror who was quoted as saying it wouldn't have mattered if OJ were caught on video in the act of decapitating his ex-wife; they would have acquitted him anyway.

That being said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even if the accuser does go ahead with the civil suit, she'll either dismiss it or Kobe's defense team will successfully move for summary judgment early on. Even if her story IS true, she just doesn't look very credible at this point, and I don't think she'll be able to withstand the strains a civil suit will bring.

AsianOrange

09-02-2004, 10:50 AM

Hey Chick, am I going to see ya in October?

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
You cant assume that he is innocent just because she refused to testify either.

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Umm.. That's EXACTLY what the US Judicial system REQUIRES. The phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty" is to protect Kobe from people like yourself! The prosecution dropped the case for crying out loud. That doesn't happen unless they know they don't have a chance of proving what happened!!! Ergo Kobe is still innocent (not acquited) of wrongdoing. OJ went to trial because the prosecution knew they had a case strong enough to get a conviction.

What ANGERS me about this whole story is that Kobe was crucified by the media for rape while little Miss Sleazeball gets a nod of approval. If Kobe did not rape her I hope Kobe files a suit against her that bankrupts her for the rest of her life!

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broncos_chick

09-02-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by AsianOrange
Hey Chick, am I going to see ya in October?

Would love to, but The Chick is overworked and underpaid right about now, so there's no going anywhere for me ... :(

Why not take a little road trip of your own, though? OB420 mentioned maybe meeting up here in OKC (halfway between us and you, if I remember correctly) ... :D

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by TheGlue Factory
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Umm.. That's EXACTLY what the US Judicial system REQUIRES. The phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty" is to protect Kobe from people like yourself! Nothing has been proven about what happened the night in question and the FACT that the prosecution is dropping the case shows that they don't even have a reasonable chance of proving a rape occurred. That is exactly what ANGERS me about this whole story. Kobe was crucified in the media and little Miss Sleazeball gets a nod of approval. If Kobe did not rape her I hope Kobe files a suit against her that bankrupts for the rest of her life!

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First if you read my replies I have stated I have not made a decision either way on his guilt or inncocence because I feel I personally do not know enough about the case and havent heard any evidence or testimony therefore can not make an educated and informed opinion on the matter - I do not believe I can assume his guilt or innocence - his RIGHT is to be presumed innocent - that is why he is now free - it doenst mean i have to BELIEVE he is innocent just because the charges were dropped and he says he is - nor do I have to believe she was raped because SHE said she was -

What I find funny is one person says she was crucified and the next person says he was the one crucified in the media - I dont form my opinions based on what the media tells me - that is why at this point I do not have one on the guilt/innocence matter -

And Kobe/judicial system doesnt need protection from people like me - its people like you, that have already made up their mind, either way, that the judicial system needs protection from - when you become a member of a jury you need to go in with an open mind - you cant go in already thinking the person being tried is guilty or innocent - you go in with the mindset of making that decision AFTER you have heard the testimony and evidence

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by broncos_chick
Would love to, but The Chick is overworked and underpaid right about now, so there's no going anywhere for me ... :(

Why not take a little road trip of your own, though? OB420 mentioned maybe meeting up here in OKC (halfway between us and you, if I remember correctly) ... :D

Yeah its the game on Nov 28th, I believe, against the raiders I was hoping to get together for :D

theshiverman

09-02-2004, 11:07 AM

He will end up paying something, he will settle on something that will keep her from writing a book or going on t.v and talking about it, one way or another the guy will cough up some cash. there will be an out of court settlement once the civil lawsuit is actually filed and the two sides sit down and talk about it. Its the only way to make this thing go away.

TXBRONC

09-02-2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
ok kreskin - nobody knows yet whether kobe will pay anything - the civil trial has yet to happen - the analyst said Kobe will not settle - he will fight her in civil court - therefore it will be up to a jury to decide if he will be paying her anything -

That's true, however the bar is set much lower for the accuser so if it goes to trial she will more than likely win. However I have hunch Kobe and this girl will come to a settlement.

bleedbluorange

09-02-2004, 11:31 AM

I am married now and would never cheat on my wife. But I know a skank when I see one. This girl has been a skank for a long time. She showed up with dirty underwear on. Come on, what women are that nasty. Some women are talking like the dirty underwear dont mean anything. But it means to me she is a skank. Many skanks and good women would easily have a fling with a star athlete. But the skank yells rape, and tries to get paid.

The sad part is there are women raped all the time. Women that dont go to the star athletes room. Women that are not crazy head cases. Women that have to try to come forward when there is no monetary gain. Women should be pi$$ed cause this skank should at the very least took Kobe to trial. She went all this way, with all this support and just dropped it. Leaving her supporters to try and explain why she dropped it. Gold digging in it's purest form, plain and simple.

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 11:39 AM

yes it is much easier, much much easier, to prove your case in a civil matter - BUT you still have to prove it by a preponderance of the evidence- she/they have to convince a jury that she said "no" to THAT part of their sexual encounter - someone please tell me how you would go about proving what someone said in a hotel room when there werent any witnesses or any type of recordings - it will come down to who the jury believes - obvioulsy there isnt enough physical evidence to prove his guilt or the prosecution would have continued with the case - its her decision on whether or not to testify its the STATES decision on whether or not to prosecute - they obviously felt they could not prove their case without her testimony - now if she is stating she wont testify in the criminal case because of the stress factor - I don’t see how she can testify in the civil matter - which she will have to do to prove her civil case because once again this has become a simple matter of he said/she said - and yet another factor that most don’t seem to realize is if this goes to jury in the civil matter, there is no way to predict what they will do - I have sat through jury trials where it seems as clear as day that there is only one outcome - but due to extenuating circumstances they came up with a different outcome - and when I say extenuating circumstances I am being sarcastic - I have seen jurors find a certain way just to end the trial so they could go home cause it was 5pm on a fri. night on a holiday weekend (this straight from a jurors mouth) - this thread should give you some insight into a jury - we have some people that will not budge either way on their opinion and they have only heard bits n pieces of what’s going on - there will be people who make the jury that already have their minds made up and no matter what they hear they wont change it, regardless of the oath they took before becoming the juror - this is America people - we lie, even under oath

bleedbluorange

09-02-2004, 11:47 AM

I hope this does go to trial. Kobe will loose more money fighting it, than he will pay out. But atleast he gets to expose a gold digging skank.

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
First if you read my replies I have stated I have not made a decision either way on his guilt or inncocence because I feel I personally do not know enough about the case and havent heard any evidence or testimony therefore can not make an educated and informed opinion on the matter - I do not believe I can assume his guilt or innocence - his RIGHT is to be presumed innocent

By everyone including yourself. Wish the media understood that. However, your comment that I quoted seems to imply that you presume him guilty regardless of the "victim's" desire to testify or not.

Originally posted by orangenblue420
And Kobe/judicial system doesnt need protection from people like me - its people like you, that have already made up their mind, either way, that the judicial system needs protection from - when you become a member of a jury you need to go in with an open mind - you cant go in already thinking the person being tried is guilty or innocent - you go in with the mindset of making that decision AFTER you have heard the testimony and evidence

The Judicial system doesn't need protection from anyone. It protects itself. It sounds like you haven't served as a juror. I have and been dismissed from serving a second time. The protection of the judicial system is that the Defense & Prosection can and will dismiss possible jurors for any reason that each deems would influence the juror one way or the other. Even for minor criminal cases this usually takes at least one day.

Kobe on the other hand does need protection from presumed guilt. There's a reason why slander and libel are crimes in the US.

JRWIZ

09-02-2004, 12:00 PM

Overall the clown is guilty of at least adultery. Unfortunately not a capital offense.

She was at least guilty of being stupid to even go to his room.

She would not testify after all the crap she went through, in the courts and papers. I don't blame her.
There are rape shield laws out there for a reason. The prosecution had NO other choice but to drop the charges.

She will sue in civil court and most likely win.

If he is stupid enough to go through a trial, he should pay 10’s of millions. He has to state that he will fight it to the end.

BUT he needs to settle it get a non-disclosure clause and make it go away. He will spend millions defending himself for being stupid and horny. Just pay it to the girl and get on with his life. Divorce is going to be one of the consequences of this dalliance.

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by TheGlue Factory
By everyone including yourself. Wish the media understood that. However, your comment that I quoted seems to imply that you presume him guilty regardless of the "victim's" desire to testify or not.

The Judicial system doesn't need protection from anyone. It protects itself. It sounds like you haven't served as a juror. I have and been dismissed from serving a second time. The protection of the judicial system is that the Defense & Prosection can and will dismiss possible jurors for any reason that each deems would influence the juror one way or the other. Even for minor criminal cases this usually takes at least one day.

Kobe on the other hand does need protection from presumed guilt. There's a reason why slander and libel are crimes in the US.

First I must appeal to you to READ everything I say - I said you cant assume he is innocent just because she refused to testify EITHER - implying you cant assume guilt or innocence - the LAW has to assume you are innocent - by that it means they cant lock you up and throw away the key just because someone accussed you, - it doesnt mean your innocent - you can be very guilty of a crime and never be found guilty of it - it doenst make you innocent of committing the crime it just means you dont get punished for it -

You are assuming Kobe is inncocent based on what FACTS? You cant say he is innocent just because he has the right to be presumed innocent - do you see the difference -

And BTW you dont need to have been on a jury or in a jury box or in a jury selection to know what its like to be a juror - the only qualification you need to be a juror is to be a registered voter - Anyone who works in the field of law and has been through jury selection understands what it takes to be a juror - I will prob never be one because I work for an attorney - but I guarantee you I know more about jurys and the law than someone who has been dismissed or even served on two, three or four jury panels

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 01:56 PM

AsianOrange

09-02-2004, 02:57 PM

I hate cheaters

JRWIZ

09-02-2004, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by TheGlue Factory
Now that you have expanded your comment I agree with you. I contend that because we don't know one way or the other AND the prosecution dropped the case that Kobe is innocent and did not do anything criminal.

Even had this gone to court and was found NOT GUITLY

that is not the same as innocent. It means just that he was found NOT guilty.

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Jrhampton
Even had this gone to court and was found NOT GUITLY

that is not the same as innocent. It means just that he was found NOT guilty.

Yes, acquited and innocent are two different concepts. Innocent is never having done the crime in the first place whereas acquited is having done the crime but found not guilty in court.

I am innocent of rape.
OJ was acquited of murder.

sKILLsAw

09-02-2004, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by baileyforprez.
maybe if you watched espn, the legal analysts says kobe will come out not paying anything. guess im right.

Actually, I saw that on ESPN also. Kobe still had to pay millions in legal costs. The only thing he gained was staying out of jail which, considering what he makes, was worth it. He will throw millions more into the civil suit if he has too. Probably would have cost less just to pay her off. I won't make any presumptions about whether he raped her or not. The real story here is the same old one, if ya got money you can buy your way out of jail, if ya don't your screwed.

TheGlue Factory

09-02-2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by sKILLsAw
The real story here is the same old one, if ya got money you can buy your way out of jail, if ya don't your screwed.

And right there is presumption of guilt. If I had that kind of money I'd spend millions to fight a bogus indictment & civil case afterwards too! I'd put myself in hoc for the rest of my life to fight a bogus indictment.

The sad fact of this story is that Kobe has been an assumed rapist ever since the story hit the press. REGARDLESS of any evidence to the contrary. Why do people always assume the worst about someone before giving that same person the benefit of the doubt?

sKILLsAw

09-02-2004, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
First I must appeal to you to READ everything I say - I said you cant assume he is innocent just because she refused to testify EITHER - implying you cant assume guilt or innocence - the LAW has to assume you are innocent - by that it means they cant lock you up and throw away the key just because someone accussed you, - it doesnt mean your innocent - you can be very guilty of a crime and never be found guilty of it - it doenst make you innocent of committing the crime it just means you dont get punished for it -

You are assuming Kobe is inncocent based on what FACTS? You cant say he is innocent just because he has the right to be presumed innocent - do you see the difference -

And BTW you dont need to have been on a jury or in a jury box or in a jury selection to know what its like to be a juror - the only qualification you need to be a juror is to be a registered voter - Anyone who works in the field of law and has been through jury selection understands what it takes to be a juror - I will prob never be one because I work for an attorney - but I guarantee you I know more about jurys and the law than someone who has been dismissed or even served on two, three or four jury panels

I have a friend who got in trouble this way once. He, his brother, and his brothers girl friend went out drinking one night. They got really hammered and went back to the girls house. She wanted a three way but my friend wanted no part of it. A fight ensued and the police were called. My friend left before they got there. The next day my friend was arrested for rape. He spent a couple days in jail then had to fork out 4k for bail. She recanted but the DA was going to prosecute anyways. The whole thing was handled very badly, concequences of living in a backwards hick town I guess. My friend ended up losing his car over it, all cause she said "boo". Justice is truly blind.

bronx_2003

09-02-2004, 04:38 PM

bleedbluorange - i agree with u 100%.

i have seen it happen in this country a few times. some slut sleeps around and then accuses the bloke of rape, even if it gets thrown out of court (which it does) she makes loads of money by selling her story to newspapers and magazines. this woman was probably a gold digging ***** too.

btw - i know alot of ppl will condemn kobe as he is a high profile athlete but i would guarantee that he is innocent. i would love him to sue this woman and see her bankrupt.

sKILLsAw

09-02-2004, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by TheGlue Factory
And right there is presumption of guilt. If I had that kind of money I'd spend millions to fight a bogus indictment & civil case afterwards too! I'd put myself in hoc for the rest of my life to fight a bogus indictment.

The sad fact of this story is that Kobe has been an assumed rapist ever since the story hit the press. REGARDLESS of any evidence to the contrary. Why do people always assume the worst about someone before giving that same person the benefit of the doubt?

I agree, but if you have money you stand a better chance of proving your innocence in court. If you have a public pretender, your screwed. Look at the Peterson case ( I worked for her step dad by the way). I don't know if he is innocent or guilty but I'll bet he has enough money to get off.

Booher

09-02-2004, 07:41 PM

The thing that is not fair about the whole situation is that just because she had sex the day before people discredit her. Hypotetical situation say you have sex with your wife/girlfriend then the next day she is raped are you gonna say she is a liar? The media making a big deal about this aspect has always rubbed me the wrong way from the onset.

ARBroncos

09-02-2004, 09:56 PM

she had sex with someone the day AFTER Kobe allegedly raped her.

It would be cheaper for Kobe to fight this than to settle because if he settles he is losing millions based on the damage it will do to his rep. I mean if he fights this and wins then the public perception will be that some jury found him innocent and he deserves an apology from the country and all the McDonalds and other family type endorsements will come rolling back.

I don't think the civil case will find him culpable simply because the case rests on the testimony of the girl and the perception of her is untrustworthy and gold digging for dropping the criminal case and going after the money.

Also what I think you forget is that in a civil case the rape shielf restrictions are much lighter as well. Kobe's lawyers should be able to introduce not only her permiscuity but also her mental health problems. They will also be able to call the prosecution's medical examiner that said her injuries were more consistent with those most closely associated consensual sex and not rape.

orangenblue420

09-02-2004, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Booher
The thing that is not fair about the whole situation is that just because she had sex the day before people discredit her. Hypotetical situation say you have sex with your wife/girlfriend then the next day she is raped are you gonna say she is a liar? The media making a big deal about this aspect has always rubbed me the wrong way from the onset.

I thought she had sex the day after? - Which IMO totally discredits her - if it was the day before then she is just a slut but sluts can get raped too -

Do you think if you are engaging in a consensual sexual act with another person and you ask to do something they dont want to do and you do it anyways - wouldnt you consider that rape? Hypothetically speaking

NJBRONCOSFAN

09-03-2004, 06:13 AM

like, if your going at it, and she's like "pull my hair"...and then you do it, but then she's like "you pulled way too hard...i'm calling the police and my lawyer immediately".

Booher

09-03-2004, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
I thought she had sex the day after? - Which IMO totally discredits her - if it was the day before then she is just a slut but sluts can get raped too -

Do you think if you are engaging in a consensual sexual act with another person and you ask to do something they dont want to do and you do it anyways - wouldnt you consider that rape? Hypothetically speaking

I must be taking this all wrong so let me get this straight if my wife or you for that matter has sex then the next day they get raped they are slut?.......cmon man a woman being raped is a horrible thing that she cannot control.

Lynch Bailey247

09-03-2004, 08:34 AM

kobes a fruit

orangenblue420

09-03-2004, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Booher
I must be taking this all wrong so let me get this straight if my wife or you for that matter has sex then the next day they get raped they are slut?.......cmon man a woman being raped is a horrible thing that she cannot control.

No - if she gets raped on, lets say Tues night, then on Weds she has sex - she is well IMO, a dirty skank ho who I wouldnt believe - if she has sex Tues night and gets raped on Weds she is a slut who got raped and the person that did it needs to go to jail, and I say she is a slut in the 2nd situation based on the Kobe circumstances - because she said yes to having sex just not the kind he wanted - if your wife, per se, has sex w/ you on Tues night and gets raped weds I would not consider her a slut, of course -

Did that make any more sense :confused: :goofy:

Lynch Bailey247

09-03-2004, 10:33 AM

lol nice one

Booher

09-03-2004, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Lynch Bailey247
lol nice one

nice what?

sKILLsAw

09-06-2004, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by orangenblue420
No - if she gets raped on, lets say Tues night, then on Weds she has sex - she is well IMO, a dirty skank ho who I wouldnt believe - if she has sex Tues night and gets raped on Weds she is a slut who got raped and the person that did it needs to go to jail, and I say she is a slut in the 2nd situation based on the Kobe circumstances - because she said yes to having sex just not the kind he wanted - if your wife, per se, has sex w/ you on Tues night and gets raped weds I would not consider her a slut, of course -

Did that make any more sense :confused: :goofy:

First of all if a guy is sexually permiscious, he's a stud. But if a girl is sexually pemiscious, she's a dirty skank. Not fair. Wat also isn't fair is tha a woman who has already concented to having sex but decides in the middle of intercourse that she has changed her mind can declare rape. At what point can you legally decide the difference. I could understand if the from the onset the woman realized shehad made a mistake, like say the man was violent. What if the guy just pulls her hair too hard like one poster said, is that cause for rape. OK, she says no and you have to stop but you don't, is jail an appropriate punishment for this? How severe should the punishment be. My girl friend irrationally changes her mind all the time and I don't always go along with it or even understand that I am doing anything wrong, should that be punishable by law?