Sign of the End of Days???

[Orange_Crush21]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/14/implantable.chip.ap/index.html

It seems that the world is moving more and more to implant chips in people, which some fear may be used for tracking etc. I don't know how many of you or religious or any of that, but this could be a sign of the end times....

[orangenblue420]

If the Red Sux win the World Series - I will then worry about it being the sign for the end of time :laugh:

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by orangenblue420
If the Red Sux win the World Series - I will then worry about it being the sign for the end of time :laugh:

Yeah, if that happens run for the hills!

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
it's not the end of times, believe me. if the world will end, it'll be due to some scientific catastrophe, long after our time.

anyway, they've been able to track people for awhile, implanting chips just makes a little easier for them(and really hits close for some people...feels more personal)

I don't know man, think about it. This is all in a book a couple thousand years old that predicted this would happen, I might believe the book more than you. Hey try not to get too set in your ways though, I was perfectly content believing in science until one day my eyes were opened. This is real.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Originally posted by Orange_Crush21
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/14/implantable.chip.ap/index.html

It seems that the world is moving more and more to implant chips in people, which some fear may be used for tracking etc. I don't know how many of you or religious or any of that, but this could be a sign of the end times.... They've tried using these chips for other things as well.
Abercrombie and Fitch has discussed putting chips on the inside of clothing underneath the label in order to prevent shoplifting.
In england, chips have been implaced in people at clubs, or at one specific club, with the purpose of using it as a bar tab.

[LDB]

Originally posted by Orange_Crush21
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/14/implantable.chip.ap/index.html

It seems that the world is moving more and more to implant chips in people, which some fear may be used for tracking etc. I don't know how many of you or religious or any of that, but this could be a sign of the end times....

I thought the same thing when I saw this. It is certainly interesting.

[chickennob2]

Originally posted by Orange_Crush21
I don't know man, think about it. This is all in a book a couple thousand years old that predicted this would happen, I might believe the book more than you. Hey try not to get too set in your ways though, I was perfectly content believing in science until one day my eyes were opened. This is real.

I think it was the aztecs, ended their calendar in... i think it was 2012. sorry i cant have any specifics, but i remember seeing it on discovery channel.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Now, i'm not trying to make this any sort of political debate or a repub vs. dem. thing, but i think this war on terror looks like the beginning of the end to me.
It just seems eerie to me...like we're gonna end up with a clash of civilizations.

[StlBroncosFan]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
Now, i'm not trying to make this any sort of political debate or a repub vs. dem. thing, but i think this war on terror looks like the beginning of the end to me.
It just seems eerie to me...like we're gonna end up with a clash of civilizations.

You may be closer than you think NJ. There will be a rise in power in the area (middle-east) we are in right now that will bring peace to the region and everyone will believe he is the Christ but will actually be the anti-christ and will decieve many. Every see the Omen movies?

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Originally posted by StlBroncosFan
You may be closer than you think NJ. There will be a rise in power in the area (middle-east) we are in right now that will bring peace to the region and everyone will believe he is the Christ but will actually be the anti-christ and will decieve many. Every see the Omen movies?
No, i haven't...is that where this idea comes from?

[Alastor]

Nor was the book written over 2000 years ago the first of its kind, and it oddly looks very similar to many books that pre-dated it.

Do a google search on "Zoroastrianism".

The Bible it seems, is plagiarized.

Alastor.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by Alastor
Nor was the book written over 2000 years ago the first of its kind, and it oddly looks very similar to many books that pre-dated it.

Do a google search on "Zoroastrianism".

The Bible it seems, is plagiarized.

Alastor.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You perhaps might want to do a "little" MORE research. Because The Bible was written far earlier than 2,000 years ago. That was just the NT.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
They've tried using these chips for other things as well.
Abercrombie and Fitch has discussed putting chips on the inside of clothing underneath the label in order to prevent shoplifting.
In england, chips have been implaced in people at clubs, or at one specific club, with the purpose of using it as a bar tab.


Exactly. That's what the Bible says they're used for. For Trading and being identified as citizens and followers of Antichrist.

In that time, you can only trade, buy or sell anything if you have the mark of the beast.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Originally posted by RealBronco
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You perhaps might want to do a "little" MORE research. Because The Bible was written far earlier than 2,000 years ago. That was just the NT.
what's so funny.
after doing a search, this is what i find.
"Their theology has had a great impact on Judaism, Christianity and other later religions, in the beliefs surrounding God and Satan, the soul, heaven and hell, savior, resurrection, final judgment, etc.

It may have been the first monotheistic religion.

The religion was founded by Zarathushtra (Zoroaster in Greek; Zarthosht in India and Persia). Conservative Zoroastrians assign a date of 6000 BCE to the founding of the religion; other followers estimate 600 BCE. Historians and religious scholars generally date his life sometime between 1500 and 1000 BCE on the basis of his style of writing. "

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Originally posted by RealBronco
Exactly. That's what the Bible says they're used for. For Trading and being identified as citizens and followers of Antichrist.

In that time, you can only trade, buy or sell anything if you have the mark of the beast.
The bible talks about computer chips?

[Alastor]

Thanks, NJB.

As NJB points out, most scholars that are into such areas of study largely indicate Zoroastrianism as the "prototype" for Judao-Christian beliefs.

Alastor.

[Alastor]

Zoroastrianism also had the same date of birth and death for its Mesiah that the Bible does. Easter and Christmas. Their Mesiah was also killed, and later resurrected.

Among just a mind-boggling other set of "coincidences".

Alastor.

[jamjeehunta]

Originally posted by Alastor
Zoroastrianism also had the same date of birth and death for its Mesiah that the Bible does. Easter and Christmas. Their Mesiah was also killed, and later resurrected.

Among just a mind-boggling other set of "coincidences".

Alastor.

Christ wasn't born on christmas, or even near that date--more like spring, so that nulifies that--i believe a lot was changed on the calendars based on the greeks, like instead of the real sabbath day being saturday, having it on sunday. correct me if i'm wrong, i dont feel like doing deep research right now.

[Alastor]

Um... spring in Jerusalem (and the region, to include Bethlehem) is fall/winter here.

Alastor.

[jamjeehunta]

is it? how is that? i know that in asia when its winter here, its winter there, december is december, january is january. maybe i am missing something. fill me in:confused:

[jamjeehunta]

alastor,
after research your dates seem to be confused.. in my research it seems this religion you mention may have been copycatted by others while the jews were captive in babylon. my dates seem to tell this and everything was mentioned b4, the coincidences, etc, so show me your proof of argument instead of the vague "do a google search."

[RealBronco]

Christ was not born in December...

[RealBronco]

Alastor,

You should read "The Case for Christ" In it is mentioned the very thing you are trying to prove. It talks about Christianity being "taken from other religions" when in fact, it was many other religions that took their "beliefs" and idealogies from Christianity. Plus, the earliest texts of the Old Testament predate secular historical work.

[jamjeehunta]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
lol proof

there is no proof in religion

read the pgph again before laughing. not proof in religion, but dates, written record and if your read the whole thing, PROOF OF HIS ARGUMENT. in history there is proof, i never said "prove to me christianity is wrong."

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
The bible talks about computer chips?

Not computer chips per se, but the fact that during the reign of Antichrist, his citizens won't be able to trade or any of that without his mark of loyalty.

Now, in today's time, we are technologically advanced (which the Bible says will continue to happen--described as an "increase in knowledge"). So it's not surprising that these computer chips are being used as "bar tabs" or will be used.

A foreshadowing perhaps of what it will all be like.

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
you probably opened your own eyes but you can believe what you want.

but i'll probably never believe a book written 2000 years ago, because if you take religion out of the equation, it sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I didn't open my own eyes, they were opened, hopefully it happens to you one day as well. It is the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Just try reading it, try to make it through the first couple of chapters, couldn't hurt could it?

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
lol proof

there is no proof in religion

To add on to it there have been many so called brilliant people and scientists who have read the bible with the sole intention of disproving it, sure enough, before it was all said and done they ended up converting.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by Orange_Crush21
To add on to it there have been many so called brilliant people and scientists who have read the bible with the sole intention of disproving it, sure enough, before it was all said and done they ended up converting.


Such as C.S. Lewis and Lee Strobel.

Both aethiests.

C.S. Lewis set out to write a book disproving the Bible and found that the only thing he could do was write one proving it's validity.

Lee Strobel, an award-winning, highly respected journalist in Chicago also set out to seek answers and to see if the stories in the Bible were true. What he found through intense investigation was that he too could not disprove it, but rather found more than enough documentation and FACTS to prove it right.

[Alastor]

There does indeed seem to be some controversy about which came first, or who influenced who between the two.

Okay, let me retreat a step. Let's try...

'Do a web search on "Animalism" and "Animas."'

It existed well before either Judaism or Zoroastrianism, and parts of it can clearly be seen in the foundations for each of the other two religions.

There, that should buy me some time to look into the previously mentioned controversy further.

Alastor.

[margerafanisbac]

ok, here's what i hear. I've heard multiple times that in the year 2088 a giant comet or something of that sort is gunna strike the earth and we'll all die...lol aint that nice? but hey, i dunno if its true, but thats what people tell me. and people do sometimes like to mess with me. but seriously, ive heard like 5 people say they saw somewhere that its gunna happen. lol..good times, good times

:rockon: rock chick :rockon:

[Alastor]

I think there is a large space object that will be in our neighborhood (if you define "neighborhood" as "within 500 million miles or more") at about that time. I've read that it's incredibly unlikely that it will come close to the Earth though, and it's being tracked so if there's a cause for alarm we'll know soon enough. In fact, the simple reality that I've not heard about it in over a year or so tells me they found out it wasn't coming near us, or I think we'd be discussing it more.

Alastor.

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by chickennob2
I think it was the aztecs, ended their calendar in... i think it was 2012. sorry i cant have any specifics, but i remember seeing it on discovery channel.

Yeah I saw something like that on a show years ago, I remember they said December 21st 2012, that stands out to me because it is my birthday. It was some sort of formula they came up with.... it was pretty weird.

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
Now, i'm not trying to make this any sort of political debate or a repub vs. dem. thing, but i think this war on terror looks like the beginning of the end to me.
It just seems eerie to me...like we're gonna end up with a clash of civilizations.

Yeah it's crazy, I mean our country itself is split almost 50/50 and is it just me or does it seem like natural disasters have been more numerous this year...

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
i'll believe that when i see it. if there's anything religion has taught me, it's that it's the only thing mankind will ever create that the human race will believe with no true evidence of any kind. any evidence you think you know, has more of a chance of being fraudulent than you know. religion is a mindset, not a religion-most accurate quote i ever heard. it's something for people to cling to in life, and was probably just created by man as a means to keep people in order, basically(VERY basically).

Hey man, I'm not going to argue with you on that because I used to think that exact thing. But you say that you'll believe it when you see it, well you're not going to see it until you try. Read the word, give it a chance, talk to someone you know who has strong religious beliefs, there is a lot more to it than you realize. I'll stress that again, you will believe it when you see it, trust me if you seek it, you will find the truth.

[StlBroncosFan]

Originally posted by Zack Morris
i'll believe that when i see it. if there's anything religion has taught me, it's that it's the only thing mankind will ever create that the human race will believe with no true evidence of any kind. any evidence you think you know, has more of a chance of being fraudulent than you know. religion is a mindset, not a religion-most accurate quote i ever heard. it's something for people to cling to in life, and was probably just created by man as a means to keep people in order, basically(VERY basically).

Hi Zack,

Check out this movie. It is very impressive in the way things pan out with the Bible. Read the description and if you have an open mind pick it up at a local Bible store.

You mentioned that you will believe it when you see it. How about 2 men setting out to see if the story of Moses and the exodus out of Egypt really happened and if they could find the real mount Sinai. Quite impressive actually. It is worth taking a look at. It is only about an hour long but it is a good documentary.

OC21, you sound like you would really like this movie as well.

http://explorationfilms.com/folders.asp?action=display&record=20

[Orange_Crush21]

Originally posted by StlBroncosFan


OC21, you sound like you would really like this movie as well.

http://explorationfilms.com/folders.asp?action=display&record=20

Thanks, I'll definitely have to check that out.

[PAINTERDAVE]

Alastor! Dude, who knew you were into the origins of monotheistic belief systems? We have so much in common! You are absolutly correct the the Zoarastrians preceded the Christian religion. They essentially became a footnote in religous history when they declined in numbers and disapeared in the face of competing religous choices, especially those forced on conquered societies by the Romans. Judaism managed to survive, and gave rise to one of the most influential religions the world has ever known! The man, Jesus of Nazarath, emerged from the tradition of Judaism, and Lord, did that man give the wheel of history a huge turn? His revolutionary concept of "turning the other cheek" indeed turned the world's religous structure on it's head. Believe of him what you will, son of god or not, that man changed history like no other before him. And yes, he was influenced, his culture was influenced by the Zoroastrians!

[PAINTERDAVE]

So, after the death of the man from Nazareth, his disciples scattered. It was over 300 years before their stories, passed down over generations, came to be written down. Peter, had become quite influential in Rome. His descendants and assigns became the popes. They were the ones who chose which books to put into the Bible. They chose scriptures that would help them maintain control over the populas. There was a group of Christians who beleived differently, they were known as gnostics. Gnostic is Latin for Knowledge. They beleived that all congregants had knowledge of God within their souls. They worshiped where one week a woman could be the speaker, the next, a shepard. Their belief was in "The Father, the Son, and the Mother" rather than the Roman Catholic version of the father,son, and holy ghost. The Gnostics were eliminated.

[PAINTERDAVE]

We would probably not even know of the gnostics, but for the find of a woman in a cave in IRAQ after WWII, around 1946. She found a clay jar, full of scriptures that had been rejected by the Roman catholics, for they challenged the authority of the almighty Pope, and they indicated that women were mens equals. The Gnostic Gospels ARE an incredible monument to a people who had been condemned to oblivian by the Catholic hierarchy in Rome, determined to wield power over the people. The survival of their alternate gospels, not included in the writing of the Bible, 300 years after the death of the man Jesus of Nazarath, is incredible. It brings to mind the mindset of the person who so preserved the gospels of his belief, in the hope that he would defeat the power grab of the catholics! That person is a hero!

[PAINTERDAVE]

To get the whole story, read Elaine Pagals, The Gnostic Gospels.

[PAINTERDAVE]

Sorry, guys. Dude got me started!

[Alastor]

No, don't read that, read Good Omens instead. It's a rocking satire on Catholicism, and I'm in the book. It's even not offensive to Catholics, and they actually tend to like it.

Trust me on this, I'm Catholic. The satire is that well done and that tasteful, yet still humurous and intellectual.

Now that's a good book right there. Good Omens.

Read it! Funny_as_Hell - pun intended.

Alastor.

[PAINTERDAVE]

Alastor! You tell people to "not read that?" You call yourself an historian, yet you encourage people to "not read that?" How about, also read this? I was thinking you are astute, and intelligent, but in your admonition to others to ignore the advice of a fellow historian, you reveal yourself to be no better than those Roman catholics I spoke of who did not want people to read a viewpoint different than one they espoused! My God, man! Do you not see that you are the modern day equivalent of the very Roman catholic christian faction I spoke of? Still to this day, there are those urging others to ignore the beliefs of the Gnostics! I am shocked!

[PAINTERDAVE]

I AM SHOCKED!

[PAINTERDAVE]

WHAT IS IT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS FEAR!

[Perry1977]

Paint fumes?

[GoDenver]

Originally posted by Orange_Crush21
Yeah, if that happens run for the hills!

"run for the hills"? isnt that a song by Judas Priest? hmm... thats odd, end of times.. Judas Priest... nevermind, the song's called "run to the hills." continue on......

[LDB]

Someone prove to me Christianity is a fraud. I am curious, why do you not believe in it? Did something happen in your lives to turn you away from Christ?

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Originally posted by RealBronco
Not computer chips per se, but the fact that during the reign of Antichrist, his citizens won't be able to trade or any of that without his mark of loyalty.


Ok, fair enough...however, the government would be implementing this...does that make the government the antichrist?:D or would it be some higher power...?

[LDB]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
Ok, fair enough...however, the government would be implementing this...does that make the government the antichrist?:D or would it be some higher power...?

The government is the devil. :D

It is just interesting that the technology for this prupose is out there. The capability exists now for the Anti-Christ to use when he steps onto the stage.

[Alastor]

Alastor! You tell people to "not read that?" You call yourself an historian, yet you encourage people to "not read that?" How about, also read this? I was thinking you are astute, and intelligent, but in your admonition to others to ignore the advice of a fellow historian, you reveal yourself to be no better than those Roman catholics I spoke of who did not want people to read a viewpoint different than one they espoused! My God, man! Do you not see that you are the modern day equivalent of the very Roman catholic christian faction I spoke of? Still to this day, there are those urging others to ignore the beliefs of the Gnostics! I am shocked!

Dave,

Seriously, get a grip. It wasn't a genuine "Don't read that". I was being cute.

You seriously have some issues. Calm yourself. I suggest decaff. In your case, a little sex might not hurt either.

I was just mentioning the other book and being a little sassy.

Controll yourself. You're like a hyper dog that pees itself every time a car passes by that it can't chase.

Alastor.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
Ok, fair enough...however, the government would be implementing this...does that make the government the antichrist?:D or would it be some higher power...?

You're pretty much right.

Antichrist will BE the government and he will run everything. Nothing will happen unless he says so. That's why, without his mark of loyalty, you won't be able to trade. In regard to the higher power, pretty much. You're right there too. Antichrist will be influenced by Satan and eventually indwelt by Satan himself.

But it's all for not because as soon as Christ returns, Antichrist is finished.

[RealBronco]

Painter,

There is so much stuff I could refute in your huge "rant" ;)

I wish my memory was better. You encourage people to read things, so I encourage you to read "The Case for Christ" and others should read it as well, as I keep saying.

The thing about Christianity is that it did NOT spring up 300 years after Christ's death like you say. Catholicism, contrary to popular belief was NOT the first Christian religion. Christianity was. The Bible describes it as "The Way."

This religion you talk about, Zoroastrianism (?)...you all say it preceded Christianity. Well so did the Jewish religion. Christianity is the belief in Christ as the Messiah. That's it. The problem was that Jewish law and the Jewish Bible pointed to that messiah, but the Jews didn't believe it, and are still blind to the obvious references and prophecies in their laws and writings that point directly to Christ.

If you're saying that Zoroastrianism came before Christianity, well a lot of religions did. And none came before Judaism.

"The Case for Christ" points out that (and this will lay your 300 year theory to rest) the earliest recorded writings of the New Testament were found to have been written within 20 years of Christ's Ressurrection. That's the smallest time gap of ANY historical document ever recorded. If you look at secular historical writings such as the works of Plato or the Odyssy or any of those, copies or manuscripts didn't even come into existence until well after 500 years (some 1,000 years) AFTER those stories were told or Plato died, etc.

In history (since you call yourself an historian) no other "historical" work has been proven more ACCURATE than the Bible and it's transcripts. And you can find that in secular research.

Another very "odd" fact is that no one...NO ONE has ever been able to disprove the Bible. But many have tried, and found that they could see no other alternative but that its contents are true and factual. Scientists and researchers have been at this for decades, if not centuries and not once has the Bible been proven inaccurate.

[LDB]

Originally posted by RealBronco
Painter,

There is so much stuff I could refute in your huge "rant" ;)

I wish my memory was better. You encourage people to read things, so I encourage you to read "The Case for Christ" and others should read it as well, as I keep saying.

The thing about Christianity is that it did NOT spring up 300 years after Christ's death like you say. Catholicism, contrary to popular belief was NOT the first Christian religion. Christianity was. The Bible describes it as "The Way."

This religion you talk about, Zoroastrianism (?)...you all say it preceded Christianity. Well so did the Jewish religion. Christianity is the belief in Christ as the Messiah. That's it. The problem was that Jewish law and the Jewish Bible pointed to that messiah, but the Jews didn't believe it, and are still blind to the obvious references and prophecies in their laws and writings that point directly to Christ.

If you're saying that Zoroastrianism came before Christianity, well a lot of religions did. And none came before Judaism.

"The Case for Christ" points out that (and this will lay your 300 year theory to rest) the earliest recorded writings of the New Testament were found to have been written within 20 years of Christ's Ressurrection. That's the smallest time gap of ANY historical document ever recorded. If you look at secular historical writings such as the works of Plato or the Odyssy or any of those, copies or manuscripts didn't even come into existence until well after 500 years (some 1,000 years) AFTER those stories were told or Plato died, etc.

In history (since you call yourself an historian) no other "historical" work has been proven more ACCURATE than the Bible and it's transcripts. And you can find that in secular research.

Another very "odd" fact is that no one...NO ONE has ever been able to disprove the Bible. But many have tried, and found that they could see no other alternative but that its contents are true and factual. Scientists and researchers have been at this for decades, if not centuries and not once has the Bible been proven inaccurate.

Just to chime in. As was stated the documents were written very soon after Christ's death and resurrection. The Gosple was being spread when critics of Christ (Jews/Pharisees) were still alive. People that witnessed Christ's ministry and death were still around. But none came forward to dispute any of the Gosple. If it wasn't true, why wouldn't someone say "hold on, I was there, it wasn't like that"?

RealBronco, I just finished Strobel's book. It was a very good read. I would also recommend it to anyone, Christian or not.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by luvdembroncs
Just to chime in. As was stated the documents were written very soon after Christ's death and resurrection. The Gosple was being spread when critics of Christ (Jews/Pharisees) were still alive. People that witnessed Christ's ministry and death were still around. But none came forward to dispute any of the Gosple. If it wasn't true, why wouldn't someone say "hold on, I was there, it wasn't like that"?


Exactly. No one did that. I think Strobel mentions that in "The Case for Christ" Not even the Jewish leaders came forward. Sure they tried to stop it and made claims about blasphemy, but none of them could prove any of it as lies or falsehood.

[PAINTERDAVE]

RealBronco, do not get me wrong. I do not dispute that Christianity arose immediatly in the wake of Jesus' years on this earth. I simply stated that it was over many, many decades and centuries that it was finnaly written down. That is undisputed. Many of the early cChristians believed the "rapture' and end of days was going to happen in their lifetime. Peter certainly did, and hence he did NOT write down the scriptures. The Christian faith and tradition was passed down by word of mouth for a long time. Fact.The gospels now accepted as the Bible were not recorded for nearly 300 years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth. At that point in time, Peters descendents in Rome CHOSE which gospels would be catholicised into the Bible. The Gnostic Gospels, and the gnostics themselves, were rejected.

[PAINTERDAVE]

No offense, guys, but you say "No one did that" as if it sets the record straight once and for all. I am here to tell you that yes, someone did dispute what the pope in Rome ,as the descendent of Peter, decreed. that is the point of my discussion. The christian sect, known as the gnostics DID dispute the Roman interpretation, and based their arguments and beliefs on the traditions handed down to them by their fathers who walked with Jesus, as surely as the Roman popes people did. All I am asking is for you to consider and read "The Gnostic Gospels" as an interesting historical tome, and to consider what it is that the old woman found in the clay jar in the desert, back in 1946. Are you so unsure of your faith that you can not examine some old historical documents?

[PAINTERDAVE]

Now, to get to you ALOSTAR!
You wanna lift your leg with the big dogs? Here goes, dude. Do not hide behind this little transparent excuse " It wasn't a genuine'don't read that' ". If it was not genuine, than neither are you! You spout crap, you 'oughta back it up , young man. Your mealy mouthed excuse simply makes your word worth nothing! You were being cute? Not by a long shot. How dare you attempt to diagnose me " I have issues"? on what would you stake your claim to be able to diagnose anyone? I am offended that you would diredt me to 'Calm myself' , and your immature attempt to appear mature and worldly by professing to be some kind of master at knowing when OTHERS need to have sex, is weak and childlike. You back pedal by saying " I just mentioned the other book to be sassy" is an outright lie! You specificly said, "Do not read that, read this!" if you are going to make a stand, do not back down you spineless pissant! The rest of your hyperbole is nothing more than pedantic pandering to the crowd, seeking to appear hip, and with-it. You are truly pathetic!

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
RealBronco, do not get me wrong. I do not dispute that Christianity arose immediatly in the wake of Jesus' years on this earth. I simply stated that it was over many, many decades and centuries that it was finnaly written down. That is undisputed. Many of the early cChristians believed the "rapture' and end of days was going to happen in their lifetime. Peter certainly did, and hence he did NOT write down the scriptures. The Christian faith and tradition was passed down by word of mouth for a long time. Fact.The gospels now accepted as the Bible were not recorded for nearly 300 years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth. At that point in time, Peters descendents in Rome CHOSE which gospels would be catholicised into the Bible. The Gnostic Gospels, and the gnostics themselves, were rejected.

What part of: "Within 20 years" don't you understand? Like I said, read "The Case for Christ" You'll find it. The earliest copy of the book of John was written less than 20 years after Jesus' Ressurrection. I'd like to know where you get your information. Where did you get this 300 year idea from? It's true that many copies and transcripts weren't copied down until later years, but the earliest transcripts and scrolls (i.e. the Dead Sea Scrolls) were written MUCH earlier than 300 years.

And again, Catholicism (which would be where the Popes derive from) didn't come about until long after Christianity began. Without Christianity, there would've been no Catholicism.

What you are refering to is the final version of the Bible we see today, which includes the gospels and the various letters, epistles and acts of the apostles... But that would mean they would have to have some "hard material" to go from and include. Which means they had to have been written before hand huh?

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
Now, to get to you ALOSTAR!
You wanna lift your leg with the big dogs? Here goes, dude. Do not hide behind this little transparent excuse " It wasn't a genuine'don't read that' ". If it was not genuine, than neither are you! You spout crap, you 'oughta back it up , young man. Your mealy mouthed excuse simply makes your word worth nothing! You were being cute? Not by a long shot. How dare you attempt to diagnose me " I have issues"? on what would you stake your claim to be able to diagnose anyone? I am offended that you would diredt me to 'Calm myself' , and your immature attempt to appear mature and worldly by professing to be some kind of master at knowing when OTHERS need to have sex, is weak and childlike. You back pedal by saying " I just mentioned the other book to be sassy" is an outright lie! You specificly said, "Do not read that, read this!" if you are going to make a stand, do not back down you spineless pissant! The rest of your hyperbole is nothing more than pedantic pandering to the crowd, seeking to appear hip, and with-it. You are truly pathetic!


Plus, I'm certain that with posts like this from you, they decrease your credibility. You are all for writing out huge posts that are full of all sorts of this and that and then the first time someone comes back and replies or disagrees, you go off and call them names. So, what is more child-like here?

If you can't handle Alastor's humor, then get off the playground.

[Vulcan]

Every second that passes by, is a second closer to the end of the world. Of course there is going to be an ending. If there is no ending, why have a beginning? If you have looked in the past, there have been several close-to-Armegeddons (aka, the Dinosaurs, and that Horseshoe-crab-thing), and there will be never be one that completely kills all life. Several species will survive and continue to evolve into new and exciting creatures. Plus, our technology will grow so advanced in the next century, that Earth will not be the only planet that'll host humans. Thus humans will be like a virus, sucking out life and resources from all planets, not just Earth. Our lifespan will most likely not end, but Earth's will.

[Javalon]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Thus humans will be like a virus, sucking out life and resources from all planets, not just Earth.
Hmm, that sounds just like Agent Smith in "The Matrix." ;)

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Javalon
Hmm, that sounds just like Agent Smith in "The Matrix." ;)

I can't believe people think the Matrix actually exists.

[Javalon]

Originally posted by Vulcan
I can't believe people think the Matrix actually exists.
It does exist...on DVD. I've seen it several times so I assure you, it does exist. ;)

Or do you mean the idea behind the movie? I can't believe that anyone would actually believe the plot of a sci-fi movie. If people DO believe it, perhaps that is a "Sign of the End of Days."

[rcsodak]

Originally posted by RealBronco
Plus, I'm certain that with posts like this from you, they decrease your credibility. You are all for writing out huge posts that are full of all sorts of this and that and then the first time someone comes back and replies or disagrees, you go off and call them names. So, what is more child-like here?

If you can't handle Alastor's humor, then get off the playground.

No, it goes back to run-ins we've both had with alostar and his 'almighty' opines......
His thinking is only his opinion is right and anyone else's is lacking of fundamental education and/or truth. Followed up by racid attempts at belittling.

I believe that would make him a narcissist. (sound familiar?)

[Booher]

Originally posted by Vulcan
I can't believe people think the Matrix actually exists.

I could never get into the matrix..never

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by rcsodak
No, it goes back to run-ins we've both had with alostar and his 'almighty' opines......
His thinking is only his opinion is right and anyone else's is lacking of fundamental education and/or truth. Followed up by racid attempts at belittling.

I believe that would make him a narcissist. (sound familiar?)


Well, I was just noticing all of daves comments where he insults people and calls them names and threatens them...And I don't think that's a very good way of trying to get your point across you know?

And if you're alluding to a comment that I'm suppose to be narcissistic, that's not true. I may be stubborn, but I'm not a narcissistic. ;)

[PAINTERDAVE]

REALBRONCO, you make a good point, and you are correct, and I did not make myself clear. I acknowledge your assertion that some of the gospels were written when you stated ,around 20 years later. My mistake. Many were written much later, and it was around the 300 year mark that the Roman Popes began to decide what would be included or not in their holy catholic bible. The word catholic itself roughly translates to "accepted" or "official". My point was that there were many gospels and christian interpretations of Jesus' message that were not included by the authoritarian Roman popes. I am interested in reading the book you recommended.-----------------As far as your defense of Alostar's immaturity, oh well. I think you might look at what I wrote. Dude was back pedaling, and did not have the courage to back up his statements. To say "Iwas only being cute" is weak, and I don't respect that. All we have here are our words, and if someone comes back with "Jeez, I did not mean it, lighten up" then how can any of us believe any of what he says? Words have power, and he was not being humorous, he was being disrespectful. Simple as that.

[PAINTERDAVE]

You point out to me where I have ever threatened anyone! I will stand behind any post I wrote, or will be man enough to acknowledge if I was wrong or out of line.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
You point out to me where I have ever threatened anyone! I will stand behind any post I wrote, or will be man enough to acknowledge if I was wrong or out of line.

Threatening is always out of line.

[PAINTERDAVE]

I believe the comment RCSODAK made was directed at ALOSTAR, not you, dude.

[PAINTERDAVE]

I agree. please point out where I ever threatened any one, so I can make amends.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
I believe the comment RCSODAK made was directed at ALOSTAR, not you, dude.


Hmm, well none-the-less...heh.

I don't remember what it was about, it was in General Discussion I believe...you were going off about someone hiding behind their computer and not being man enough to fight or something...

But then they called you out and told you to come on over.

[Booher]

Oh...pooey....It's aight guys.......:D

[PAINTERDAVE]

While i have on occasion "called people names", I have also worked on not doing that. Also, that is mostly over in the talking smack area. if you review my response (not a reaction) to Alostars disrespectful post, I believe you will find that I did not engage in name calling, but rather that I described behaviour. Do not confuse the two, for Alostar earned what it is I posted.

[PAINTERDAVE]

REALBRONCO, you are innacurate, SIR. I have never challenged anyone to "come over and fight" nor did I accuse anyone of hiding behind acomputer. we are all in the same boat here, that would have been a stupid thing to say, and I am anything but stupid. I would advise you to back up what you assert, or refrain from making assumptions. I have no beef with you, unless you want to make it more than it is. Unless you find a specific post you wish to challenge me on, i would ask that you cease to simply make up what you 'Kinda remember'.

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
REALBRONCO, you are innacurate, SIR. I have never challenged anyone to "come over and fight" nor did I accuse anyone of hiding behind acomputer. we are all in the same boat here, that would have been a stupid thing to say, and I am anything but stupid. I would advise you to back up what you assert, or refrain from making assumptions. I have no beef with you, unless you want to make it more than it is. Unless you find a specific post you wish to challenge me on, i would ask that you cease to simply make up what you 'Kinda remember'.


As soon as I find it, I will. But I believe you are trying to say it didn't happen.

[Booher]

You know these political discussions are great...I love all the opinions these threads are the only posts I actually read.......If we keep it civil they stay when we flame they go bye bye.

[heaney]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
REALBRONCO, you are innacurate, SIR.

hahahaha you sound like some pompous British guy

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
I be the Colorado Kid for years now. Do you suppose that a little pissant, slackjawed, lackluster, no good, no account, unheralded, low born, ill bred, good fer nothin' , mother butler like you can tell me what to do? You are damn lucky we are not in the same room right now. You can hide behind the script, but I bet you will not venture to meet me in person, little boy! You p-mail me right now you pissant! I'll meet you tommorrow!


Originally posted by GoDenver
neato! sorry pointydlck, i just noticed your response. seems to me as though you're the tough guy behind a computer screen. so tell me, was it the "old man" comment that pissed you off or the "you cant teach an old dog new tricks" one? whichever it may be.. seems as though i got under your skin. poor little you!

p-mail? im currently residing in Southern California. 14302 Murrieta Hot Springs rd. Murrieta, California. 92563. that's Riverside County, California, USA.

cruise on out this Sunday if you wish, i'll be here at 1:00 o'clock, west coast time of course to watch Denver destroy oakland (no caps.) so be a little early, do whatever you think it is you can to me, i'll help you up, shake your hand and then leave so i can watch my game. you can even stay at watch it with me if you'd like.

This should jog your memory DAVE.

I'm not trying to start anything, but you wanted the proof, so there's the "threats and name-calling"

[PAINTERDAVE]

Dude, good on you! I acknowledge that I was rude in that post. I am embarrassed that I did not use my mind better. I will strive to refrain from being such a boor in the future. It is good that I have a fellow poster like you to help me on my journey to be a better person tommorrow than I was today. Thank you. You were correct, and I stand corrected. Consider this a heartfelt apology with an eye towords modifying my online declarations. Good Lord, I really let my emotions run away with my Keyboard, Huh?

[RealBronco]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
Dude, good on you! I acknowledge that I was rude in that post. I am embarrassed that I did not use my mind better. I will strive to refrain from being such a boor in the future. It is good that I have a fellow poster like you to help me on my journey to be a better person tommorrow than I was today. Thank you. You were correct, and I stand corrected. Consider this a heartfelt apology with an eye towords modifying my online declarations. Good Lord, I really let my emotions run away with my Keyboard, Huh?


Oh, I don't deny that it happens. I've let myself go off before. I really try not to. Sometimes you just get heated up and go off. Your apology is accepted. I'm not sure I needed one from you but it's awesome that you own up. I think that everyone gets a little heated and over-zealous at times. Like I said, I've done it before and feel bad because I try to be neutral and just post on what I think and believe without bringing feelings into it.

Anyway, keep em comin' we're all quite opinionated on this board anyway. ;)

[PAINTERDAVE]

Like I said, Good on you, Dude! Hey, get this: i just read a post by Alostar where he pointed out that he has been complaining to the MODS about me, and smugly predicted he will have me kicked off! That says it all about him, to me. Nuff said.

[rcsodak]

Originally posted by RealBronco
Well, I was just noticing all of daves comments where he insults people and calls them names and threatens them...And I don't think that's a very good way of trying to get your point across you know?

And if you're alluding to a comment that I'm suppose to be narcissistic, that's not true. I may be stubborn, but I'm not a narcissistic. ;)

Nope. Not you..........

Hey, get this: i just read a post by Alostar where he pointed out that he has been complaining to the MODS about me, and smugly predicted he will have me kicked off! That says it all about him, to me. Nuff said.

...and I bet you're quaking in your boots.......:D

[PAINTERDAVE]

Yaba, simply quaking! Good thing I tied double knots! So I have stopped engaging young Alastor, and then when I read the threads he engages in, Iam quite amused. He seems to "Hold Court" directing and controlling the discussion as if a sage on high called upon to modrate. It cracks me up.

[rcsodak]

Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
Yaba, simply quaking! Good thing I tied double knots! So I have stopped engaging young Alastor, and then when I read the threads he engages in, Iam quite amused. He seems to "Hold Court" directing and controlling the discussion as if a sage on high called upon to modrate. It cracks me up.

He is/was quite full of himself.
BCollin's offspring?:)

He offends, but you can't.
He offers conjecture, but you can't.
He=aloststar.

[spacecowboy]

Implants are not the sign of the end. The lack of love is.

[Booher]

Originally posted by rcsodak
He is/was quite full of himself.
BCollin's offspring?:)

He offends, but you can't.
He offers conjecture, but you can't.
He=aloststar.

The problem is the posts are becomming too personal.......if someone disagrees it's you idiot then visa versa.

[orangenblue420]

Originally posted by rcsodak
He is/was quite full of himself.
BCollin's offspring?:)

He offends, but you can't.
He offers conjecture, but you can't.
He=aloststar.

If bcollin comes back in the same week as my baseball disaster - I will just have to die:ugh:

[Orange_Crush21]

If the Red Sux win the World Series - I will then worry about it being the sign for the end of time :laugh:

ummm............ :0

[orangenblue420]

ummm............ :0


Good - it cant come soon enough for me.