Marijuana Lobby Grows in Sophistication

[orangenblue420]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145534,00.html

Good story for those of you who are interested

I really think it will be legalized in my lifetime :D Not in the next four years cause of what it would look like if Bush were to let it happen - :cough: hypocrite :cough: but I can def. see it happening -

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

that's my mj!

[urinal_cake]

Lets hope it happens soon, OB420™

[EMCF]

I assume if it was legalized it would be the same as liquor. No public drunkeness, no driving while impaired. Etc.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

I assume if it was legalized it would be the same as liquor. No public drunkeness, no driving while impaired. Etc.
That's gonna happen whether it's legal or illegal.
and even trying to compare driving drunk and driving under the influence of mj shows how a great lack of information on the situation.

[orangenblue420]

If you saw me drive w/o the influence of MJ compared to with it - you would have me light up everytime - LMAO!!!!!!!!

[Dream]

I really don't have a problem with it nor do I think it's as bad as alcohol, however it'd be my assumption that if you legalized marijuana, more people would end up smoking it, thus more people wouldn't get the same high off of marijuana as they used to which would probably increase in the sale of harder drugs such as cocaine, lsd, etc. I know plenty of people who smoke up, and the reason they say they've done harder things is because it's hard for them to get the same sensation out of marijuana again and again. I don't think marijuana is any worse than alcohol, alcohol is probably by far more dangerous.

You don't hear about many people dying from marijuana.

You hear a lot of people dying from alcohol and alcohol related accidents.

I still don't get why alcohol is and marijuana isn't socially acceptable by most people.

I'm not sure about this issue, but I don't think drugs are a solution to anything.

[BIGD2oo4]

lets be real!This is a corporate America!Why is marijuana illegal?It would put the logging Industry in the tank!The Textile industry would also feel the burn!The Alcohol Industry as well!All the DRUG -makers at that,why get a Pfizer cure,when you can have a 'natural' cure?

...and the biggest reason.....

...the Federal govt.has no way to tax it other than making it a crime to possess,so why should they make it legal! :confused: :duh: :goofy:

[BroncoStampede]

I smoke marijuana regularly, and to me its a drug just like caffiene in coffee, nicotine in cigarettes, or chocolate. It is a safe drug, it doesnt cause hallucinations, it doesnt intoxicate you too much, and its effects arent very long lasting. Also, it doesnt really impair your ability to do anything you can do while sober.

Marijuana was outlawed in the 1930's because of a campaign of false information. If you ever saw the movie "reefer madness" which was a factor in getting pot made illegal, the drug they were depicting had more characteristics of crack cocaine such as uncontrollable violent and sexual urges, etc...

The US government should decriminalise pot and worry about cleaning up the real drugs on the streets, like methamphetamines, cocaine, herione, hallucinatory drugs, and any other dangerous drugs. As was mentioned in previous posts, i personally feel alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana is a plant that grows naturally all over the world and has been smoked or used by people for thousands of years. Alcohol on the other hand, is basically yeast excrement...alcohol is some nasty stuff. If this country was perfect, alcohol would be illegal and marijuana would be legal.

People who accept myths and stereotypes with no real information are the real problem in this country. Ignorance reigns supreme in the USA!!

[Dream]

I smoke marijuana regularly, and to me its a drug just like caffiene in coffee, nicotine in cigarettes, or chocolate. It is a safe drug, it doesnt cause hallucinations, it doesnt intoxicate you too much, and its effects arent very long lasting. Also, it doesnt really impair your ability to do anything you can do while sober.

Marijuana was outlawed in the 1930's because of a campaign of false information. If you ever saw the movie "reefer madness" which was a factor in getting pot made illegal, the drug they were depicting had more characteristics of crack cocaine such as uncontrollable violent and sexual urges, etc...

The US government should decriminalise pot and worry about cleaning up the real drugs on the streets, like methamphetamines, cocaine, herione, hallucinatory drugs, and any other dangerous drugs. As was mentioned in previous posts, i personally feel alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana is a plant that grows naturally all over the world and has been smoked or used by people for thousands of years. Alcohol on the other hand, is basically yeast excrement...alcohol is some nasty stuff. If this country was perfect, alcohol would be illegal and marijuana would be legal.

People who accept myths and stereotypes with no real information are the real problem in this country. Ignorance reigns supreme in the USA!!

You're saying pot doesn't cause hallucinations? I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.

You also says it doesn't impair your judgement? Yet I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.

[BIGD2oo4]

You're saying pot doesn't cause hallucinations? I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.

You also says it doesn't impair your judgement? Yet I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.


Broncology,its obvious Stampede has been smokin shwag for a very long time :laugh:

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Broncology,its obvious Stampede has been smokin shwag for a very long time :laugh:
hahahahahahahahaha....

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

You're saying pot doesn't cause hallucinations? I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.

You also says it doesn't impair your judgement? Yet I have dozens of friends who beg to differ.
It doesn't impair your judgement the way alcohol does, that's for sure.
The only thing i've ever heard that someone killed while high on mj is a bag of chips.

This reminds me of Harold and Kumar...who saw that ish?

They do a spoof a marijuana kills commercial...the guy takes a hit off a joint and he gets up, goes to his dad's gun cabinet...he's just laughing, 'i'm so high', as he's sticking a double barrel shotgun into his mouth!!! CLASSIC!!!!

[urinal_cake]

lets be real!This is a corporate America!Why is marijuana illegal?It would put the logging Industry in the tank!The Textile industry would also feel the burn!The Alcohol Industry as well!All the DRUG -makers at that,why get a Pfizer cure,when you can have a 'natural' cure?

...and the biggest reason.....

...the Federal govt.has no way to tax it other than making it a crime to possess,so why should they make it legal! :confused: :duh: :goofy:

Yeah the other side of the arguement is that it takes too much money out of too many policymakers and their corporate cronies' pockets™

[Dream]

It doesn't impair your judgement the way alcohol does, that's for sure.

You're right, but that wasn't the point I was making. I've seen those drunk and high, and I'd have to say those who were drunk were way more messed up compared to those on marijuana. The effects from both drugs are somewhat the same. I think it's a safe assesment to say that marijuana impairs your judgement period.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

You're right, but that wasn't the point I was making. I've seen those drunk and high, and I'd have to say those who were drunk were way more messed up compared to those on marijuana. The effects from both drugs are somewhat the same. I think it's a safe assesment to say that marijuana impairs your judgement period.
It definitely impairs your judgement...your right, but it doesn't do it in the same way or to the same extent that alcohol does.

[EMCF]

That's gonna happen whether it's legal or illegal.
and even trying to compare driving drunk and driving under the influence of mj shows how a great lack of information on the situation.

I know many a stoner. If they were under the influence of marijuana there would be no amount of money you could pay me to get in a car with them. I am sure I know at least as much as you do on the "situation". Don't be so quick to patronize.

It definitely impairs your judgement...your right, but it doesn't do it in the same way or to the same extent that alcohol does.

It impairs in an entirely different way, I myself have never done it, but a large percentage of my friends do so regularly. They completely disregard all common sense when under the influence, I literally saw a guy jump down a flight of stairs. Now, granted, this is not what every single person who does weed is going to do. But they should not be driving under any circumstances.

[orangenblue420]

I know many a stoner. If they were under the influence of marijuana there would be no amount of money you could pay me to get in a car with them. I am sure I know at least as much as you do on the "situation". Don't be so quick to patronize.



It impairs in an entirely different way, I myself have never done it, but a large percentage of my friends do so regularly. They completely disregard all common sense when under the influence, I literally saw a guy jump down a flight of stairs. Now, granted, this is not what every single person who does weed is going to do. But they should not be driving under any circumstances.


This is one of the problems - people blame peoples characteristics on MJ and/or other drugs - the moron who jumps down a flight of stairs istn doing it cause he's stoned he is doing is because he is a moron - this country needs to worry more about legal Rx drugs with teens than they do MJ

Another myth - smoking MJ too much leads you to other drugs because you dont get the same high - again a persons makeup is involved here - you take MJ out of that persons life and I bet that 95% of the time that same person will still be doing hard drugs

A young person or person who doesnt smoke alot should not operate anything under the influence -- thats just plain common sense

[EMCF]

This is one of the problems - people blame peoples characteristics on MJ and/or other drugs - the moron who jumps down a flight of stairs istn doing it cause he's stoned he is doing is because he is a moron

In my friend's defence the stairs were carpeted.

:laugh:

[BroncoStampede]

You're right, but that wasn't the point I was making. I've seen those drunk and high, and I'd have to say those who were drunk were way more messed up compared to those on marijuana. The effects from both drugs are somewhat the same. I think it's a safe assesment to say that marijuana impairs your judgement period.

I agree, marijuana changes your conscious mind, as does alcohol, nicotine, caffiene, over the counter medicines (all legal drugs, some with horrible side effects), etc etc. Humans have been changing their consciousness ever since the begining of hunter/gatherer man, before civilization.

The thing about marijuana is that what you are smoking is basically a flower, or "bud" that has been cut off of a natural plant. It has not been processed at all like coffee or the tobacco thats in cigarettes these days, its not artificially made like alcohol, cocaine, herione, ecstacy, LSD, etc etc etc.

My point is that marijuana does not belong in the same legal category as harder drugs, because it is not a hard drug. Alcohol does belong in the hard drug category because it has many of the same characteristics as heroine for example. It is physically addicting, you can overdose and die by ingesting too much, it totally impairs your ability to do anything, it is unsafe to drive on, and people suffer withdrawal syptoms when they try to stop using. Weed on the other hand, shares none of these characteristics with alcohol and herione in my opinion. Also the "myth" that marijuana is a so called "gateway drug" has been created by people who accept and love stereotypes, or they blindly follow whatever stance others that they look up to take because they are not true individuals.

Whatever the case, the BS needs to stop. People in Washington should wake up and review the facts of the matter and not get caught up in their ignorant pride. They should spend their limited resources on putting away herione and crack dealers, and cleaning up this country, worrying about terrorism, rapists, murderers, armed villians, bank robbers, etc etc etc. Nobody deserves to go to jail because they smoke marijuana! In fact George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew hemp, and personal journal entries reveal Washington seperated the male plants from the female plants which of course does not allow them to pollinate which results in smoking material. (Bud, sensimillia) This has been proven by a number of sources:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_history2.shtml
http://home.att.net/~first.president.us/docs/gwhemp01.html
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_2.shtml
http://www.hempcar.org/washington.shtml
http://hempmuseum.org/SUBROOMS/HEMP%20HISTORY%20EARLY%20U.S..htm

In fact to deny marijuana is to deny your ancestors, and founding fathers of the United States, because hemp was used as the sails for the mayflower ship, and it was used by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson surely didnt outlaw hemp when he wrote the constitution!!! Marijuana was the second biggest cash crop in colonies behind tobacco. Only recently in the 20th century has marijuana been made illegal, in a time where alcohol, cocaine, heroine, and other similar drugs were also made illegal. It was a mistake that should be made right, except the ignorance on the entire issue has clouded more minds than marijuana ever has.

[theMileHighGuy]

Very good points stampede, great links too.

The biggest thing that boils my blood about it is people who have never done it condemning people that do. They have no clue, and will continue to not have a clue, until they indeed do light one up. I have absolutely no problem driving high, I'm like a car-ninja. My only accident ever was sober, and in the snow. You don't get (at least I don't) maddening sexual rages, or violent... I sit on my couch and chill for a couple hours, might go get something to eat, maybe a movie. Drinking is 150 times worse... I've watched liquor and alcohol turn people I'd been friends with for years into people I didn't even know. The country doens't know what it's missing.

I'm not for legalization just to get f'ed up either. So many good things come from hemp stalk it's unreal. Paper, clothes, furniture, etc... it'd be huge for the economy and the environment. Save the trees man.

Say it was legalized, how do you think it would be marketed, would they sell it like cigarettes? Or would they just sell it through sheesha bars and more private cafes?

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Very good points stampede, great links too.

The biggest thing that boils my blood about it is people who have never done it condemning people that do. They have no clue, and will continue to not have a clue, until they indeed do light one up. I have absolutely no problem driving high, I'm like a car-ninja. My only accident ever was sober, and in the snow. You don't get (at least I don't) maddening sexual rages, or violent... I sit on my couch and chill for a couple hours, might go get something to eat, maybe a movie. Drinking is 150 times worse... I've watched liquor and alcohol turn people I'd been friends with for years into people I didn't even know. The country doens't know what it's missing.

Say it was legalized, how do you think it would be marketed, would they sell it like cigarettes? Or would they just sell it through sheesha bars and more private cafes?
Well, we all know about the cafes and bars in amsterdam...but you can also go into places and just buy a pack of pre-rolled joints in amsterdam.

Your definitely right though...i've been in a few accidents, all while sober, none while high, which is pretty hard to do because i'm high a lot!

[orangenblue420]

They will never be able to market MJ that is why it will take a long time to make it legal - the govt has yet to figure out a way to make the major $$$$ from marketing it and making it legal - if they made it legal it would be possession of small amounts only and not to grow - cause I dont know about you but if it was legal to grow, I would grow some killer of my own and not spend the money on commercialized crap - and that is THE #1 reason it is not legal

I see decriminalization coming first - alot of state level legislators try pushing this because they realize how much the petty MJ "criminals" are overcrowding our legal and penal system but the big boys dont want nothing to do with that

Its sad really, that the govt isnt looking out for our best interest like they cliam - its all about the money

[BroncoStampede]

Very good points stampede, great links too.

The biggest thing that boils my blood about it is people who have never done it condemning people that do. They have no clue, and will continue to not have a clue, until they indeed do light one up. I have absolutely no problem driving high, I'm like a car-ninja. My only accident ever was sober, and in the snow. You don't get (at least I don't) maddening sexual rages, or violent... I sit on my couch and chill for a couple hours, might go get something to eat, maybe a movie. Drinking is 150 times worse... I've watched liquor and alcohol turn people I'd been friends with for years into people I didn't even know. The country doens't know what it's missing.

I'm not for legalization just to get f'ed up either. So many good things come from hemp stalk it's unreal. Paper, clothes, furniture, etc... it'd be huge for the economy and the environment. Save the trees man.

Say it was legalized, how do you think it would be marketed, would they sell it like cigarettes? Or would they just sell it through sheesha bars and more private cafes?

:rockon: well car ninja, :laugh: First, I doubt the federal government will legalise it, so if anything, a few states might decriminalise it. In fact about 5 states or so have already voted down such bills. If they did decriminalise it someday, i would assume anyone would be free to grow or buy it for personal use. However if the federal governement were to one day legalise and tax the sale of it like tobacco, i bet youre right, comapanies would start marketing pre-rolled joints of different strains. Imagine being able to go to a store and order a pack of pre-rolled purple haze, or pre-rolled blueberry. It would be so awesome. I doubt i will still be smoking when that happens, but i might have to get myself a pack and light up :rockon: Bars and cafes would no doubt spring up as well. That would ROCK

[orangenblue420]

:rockon: well car ninja, :laugh: First, I doubt the federal government will legalise it, so if anything, a few states might decriminalise it. In fact about 5 states or so have already voted down such bills. If they did decriminalise it someday, i would assume anyone would be free to grow or buy it for personal use. However if the federal governement were to one day legalise and tax the sale of it like tobacco, i bet youre right, comapanies would start marketing pre-rolled joints of different strains. Imagine being able to go to a store and order a pack of pre-rolled purple haze, or pre-rolled blueberry. It would be so awesome. I doubt i will still be smoking when that happens, but i might have to get myself a pack and light up Bars and cafes would no doubt spring up as well. That would ROCK


Dude that would be like heaven - man o man o man - lunch time would have a whole new meaning - oh wait never mind - it would still be the same I would just be able to do it in public instead of in my car :laugh:

As far as the states that didnt pass it - I remember watching the Alaska ticket and it barley failed - it was like 52/48 % or something like that - there is a thread on that very thing in ABF somewhere if youre interested - but I also hear the Alaska is pretty lenient if you get snagged with small amounts

[BroncoStampede]

Dude that would be like heaven - man o man o man - lunch time would have a whole new meaning - oh wait never mind - it would still be the same I would just be able to do it in public instead of in my car :laugh:

As far as the states that didnt pass it - I remember watching the Alaska ticket and it barley failed - it was like 52/48 % or something like that - there is a thread on that very thing in ABF somewhere if youre interested - but I also hear the Alaska is pretty lenient if you get snagged with small amounts

Thats cool, its too bad Alaska is so far away from me and so cold. Oh well, what can you do? BTW OB you know how you said that the government is out to make money and not out for our best interests? I couldnt agree more. Look at the whole UFO scandal. I mean why would they go to such great lengths to cover that up? I mean a large chunk of the US population has seen the UFO shows on TV which always have tons of proof, but no matter what proof is presented, the government says no. They also make people "dissapear" who have eyewitness testimoney or real proof and are willing to talk about it.

Anyway, a good bit of info i found shows how the government is not out for our best interest as far as hemp and US history...

"From 1776 to 1937, hemp was a major American crop and textiles made from hemp were common. Yet, The American Textile Museum, The Smithsonian Institute, and most American history books contain no mention of hemp. The government's War on Marijuana Smokers has created an atmosphere of self censorship--speaking of hemp in a positive manner is considered taboo. "

This quote was taken off
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_2.shtml

Anyways, catch u later.

Oh yea, BRONCOS rule.