Michael Strahan and Charles Woodson to Denver! [Archive]

Return of Lava

11-10-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by CrazyAsian
I thought about ht epossibility of having Charles Woodson on the Denver lineup..sounds good but do you want a guy that carries a grudge against his own coach?! We all know Shanahan would know just how to handle him and there would be no conflict. anyway, all woodson said was that calahan needed to take some advice from his veteran players and shanahan does that all the time. Also, im sure they would both be willing to take a pay cut to be here as will the current broncos to free up space. Portis and Wilson will wait for their big contracts IMO!

AsianOrange

11-11-2003, 10:41 AM

Portis and Wilson WILL get their contracts.....they are the future of the Broncos.

They also are well worth to build around.

Shanahan always keeps his words on negotiations......Davis, Anderson, McCaffery, R. Smith, Elam!

BroncoCy

11-11-2003, 02:45 PM

When I first started posting on this board I always stated how bad we needed a guy like Woodson but always got picked on because he is a "punk" in other peoples eyes. I know he is on the Raiders but overlooking that, he'd look great in blue and orange :)

Return of Lava

11-11-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by CrazyAsian
Portis and Wilson WILL get their contracts.....they are the future of the Broncos.

They also are well worth to build around.

Shanahan always keeps his words on negotiations......Davis, Anderson, McCaffery, R. Smith, Elam! if they want their money, they can kiss their superbowl hopes goodbye. two players cant go that far. they gotta make a sacrifice for the good off them team. which would be more important to you? besides, they are both young, trhey have time to get their money why rush and never get the pieces to get to a championship?

AsianOrange

11-11-2003, 07:26 PM

Lava:

So who do you think is the best player on offense? How bout on defense?

Portis and Al Wilson fits the bill. They can be good leaders. Look at Ray Lewis? Junior Saeu(?), Zack Thomas.....they make players around them good. Al Wilson has that power to do that.

What makes a good championship team?

(C'mon Lava....I know you got answers!)

Return of Lava

11-11-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by CrazyAsian
Lava:

So who do you think is the best player on offense? How bout on defense?

Portis and Al Wilson fits the bill. They can be good leaders. Look at Ray Lewis? Junior Saeu(?), Zack Thomas.....they make players around them good. Al Wilson has that power to do that.

What makes a good championship team?

(C'mon Lava....I know you got answers!) There is no doubt that they are the best players on the team, but how can you pass up on two key players to fill two valuable voids? We obviosly need a shut down type CB and also, it would be nice to have another pass/rush stopper opposite trevor pryce. I would take that other than having to pass up on them just cause wilson and portis couldnt wait to get their money. Ray Lewis, Junior, and Thomas have a combined 1 championshiop ring to go with their million probowls which prove that the better supporting cast, the better chance.

Pierce

11-15-2003, 02:40 AM

Charles Woodson has seen better days. Strahan is just an idiot for taking pride in Favre's "gift" last season, making him the sack leader. If he had any sense at all, he would have been a little embarrassed that Favre laid down for him. I don't want to give up other marquee players for these two.

Return of Lava

11-15-2003, 10:06 AM

you would rather leave those glaring holes and allow the QB to have more time right. None of our current players would object to a better defense.

Return of Lava

11-19-2003, 12:26 AM

woodson is better than any cb we have now

TXBRONC

11-19-2003, 09:46 PM

Since Denver would not be able to afford both I think Woodson would be the better choice to try and sign. Strahan although very good pass rusher I don't Denver has a need for him. They have a lot young talent on the d-line that need a chance to prove themselves.

rascal

11-20-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by dandaman23
YA that would be great, Bill Calahan and Charles Woodson have been having some problems too. When is Stahans contract up? We would have a great D line if he came. Trevor Pryce and Michael Strahan on the ends and Bert Berry and Daryl Gardener at tackle WOW.

Bert Berry at tackle? Maybe Pryce at tackle and Bert Berry at end.

rascal

11-20-2003, 12:34 PM

Screw Strahan, get Springs, Bailey, or Woodson.

Return of Lava

11-20-2003, 04:12 PM

i was just suggesting woodson cause his contract is up and i doubt he will go back to oakland.

TXBRONC

11-20-2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by rascal
Screw Strahan, get Springs, Bailey, or Woodson.

I could not agree more. Woodson would be my first choice. Btw in an above post it mentioned moving Berry to DT. He would never survive. He is way to small to play DT.

Return of Lava

11-21-2003, 07:47 PM

Whats wrong with Strahan, he wouldnt even cost much. He loves Denver and knows his career is almost up he isnt selfish enough to take a big contract. besides, maybe he can relace Daryl Gardener's spot. Pryce can move back to tackle for a while.

TXBRONC

11-21-2003, 09:54 PM

I think Denver could use the help in the secondary more than on the front line. I also think your mistake Lava if you think Stahan will come all that cheap and he does not have the weight to be DT.

Return of Lava

11-21-2003, 10:24 PM

I didnt say he could play tackle i meant he could take daryl's spot on the roster and move pryce back to tackle. I know strahan wants to be here he has said numerous times how much he envied our defensive chemistry. He isnt having any success in NY he would gladly take a paycut to be here IMO.

TXBRONC

11-21-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Return of Lava
I didnt say he could play tackle i meant he could take daryl's spot on the roster and move pryce back to tackle. I know strahan wants to be here he has said numerous times how much he envied our defensive chemistry. He isnt having any success in NY he would gladly take a paycut to be here IMO.

My mistake, sorry. Have you read somewhere that Strahan would be willing to come to Denver for less money than he is making now? Maybe Stahan's lack of success has to do with age.

Return of Lava

11-21-2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by TXBRONC
My mistake, sorry. Have you read somewhere that Strahan would be willing to come to Denver for less money than he is making now? Maybe Stahan's lack of success has to do with age. He has done an interview and a talk show and even though he wouldnt flat out say he wants to leave NY (who would say that about their team), but he has dropped numerous hints that he wants to play on a team with chemistry and that he think denver is the only team who still has it now-a-days. Also he said his contract was up and he wanted to get some rings before he retires, those are some pretty serious hints but he hasnt flat out said anything like that. He is getting old but he can definitely be a help at end.

diehardbronco88

11-22-2003, 09:24 AM

Strahan + Woodson = Super Bowl Win and #1 Defense!
"defense wins games"

TXBRONC

11-22-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Return of Lava
He has done an interview and a talk show and even though he wouldnt flat out say he wants to leave NY (who would say that about their team), but he has dropped numerous hints that he wants to play on a team with chemistry and that he think denver is the only team who still has it now-a-days. Also he said his contract was up and he wanted to get some rings before he retires, those are some pretty serious hints but he hasnt flat out said anything like that. He is getting old but he can definitely be a help at end.

I just don't think Stahan would be worth the money he would want to be paid. If his desire to win a Championship is great than his desire to load up his wallet then maybe Shanahan could offer him an incentive layden contract. Woodson on the other hand, I think would be worth the investment. Have Lenny play one corner and Woodson the other I think they would be a great tandem.

Return of Lava

11-22-2003, 11:20 AM

yeah, are there going to be any other CB in FA this year?

TXBRONC

11-22-2003, 11:22 AM

Earlier in this thread some mentioned Shawn Springs and Champ Bailey besides Woodson.

Crazie

11-22-2003, 11:54 AM

We need CB that's all I kno I don't care who they get. Just get one of em. :D

Return of Lava

11-22-2003, 11:56 AM

I would LOVE champ to come here, im sure HE would be the one to cost a lot since he is still younger.

TXBRONC

11-22-2003, 09:49 PM

Woodson and Bailey came into the league about the same time.

Return of Lava

11-23-2003, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by TXBRONC
Woodson and Bailey came into the league about the same time. Oh, i didnt know that. Well i guess it doesnt matter then.

diehardbronco88

11-23-2003, 11:24 AM

just spend the money and get ty law!....but, come on now we have the tallest corner in the league and what is he doin.....

edmccaffrey87

11-26-2003, 09:54 AM

Return of Lava

11-26-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by diehardbronco88
just spend the money and get ty law!....but, come on now we have the tallest corner in the league and what is he doin..... I think Lenny has done fine. He is always in good position, he just needs to be more aggressive and go after the INT. The only thing i dont like about him is his show off attitude. He always tries to celebrate on the field instead of staying focused.

L.B-7

11-26-2003, 02:01 PM

Walls has done fine this year.

Woodson 1997 draft 27 years old 6'0" 200lbs

Bailey 1999 draft 25years old 6'0" 200lbs

I think Baileys the better of the two. thats just my opinion.

Return of Lava

11-26-2003, 11:32 PM

i would definitely take bailey. At least he could get us some turnovers.

L.B-7

11-28-2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Return of Lava
i would definitely take bailey. At least he could get us some turnovers.
No doubt only thing is hardly anyone throws to Bailys side. Would be nice to have a shut down corner like him tho.

BroncoCy

11-29-2003, 12:14 AM

I would take Champ Baily over Woodson. Granted, CW is a major player but I just think Champ is a overall better athlete and could contribute better. That said, I don't think there is a cold day in hell that Daniel Snyder would let Champ Bailey get away from the Redskins.

Return of Lava

11-29-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by BroncoCy
I would take Champ Baily over Woodson. Granted, CW is a major player but I just think Champ is a overall better athlete and could contribute better. That said, I don't think there is a cold day in hell that Daniel Snyder would let Champ Bailey get away from the Redskins. yeah thast right, and that brings me back to woodson, a player who hates the raiders right now, will definitely leave.

edmccaffrey87

11-29-2003, 02:27 PM

Another thing that would have to be considered before obtaining Woodson would be his commitment to the team, and not being a distraction(like Daryl Gardener). From what I read in the Sporting News earlier, Woodson has been showing up late for meetings and falling asleep in the back row.

Return of Lava

11-29-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by edmccaffrey87
Another thing that would have to be considered before obtaining Woodson would be his commitment to the team, and not being a distraction(like Daryl Gardener). From what I read in the Sporting News earlier, Woodson has been showing up late for meetings and falling asleep in the back row. im sure thats just cause of his loss of respect for callahan. He said calahan doesnt listen to his players and shanahan does so they should get along.

edmccaffrey87

11-30-2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Return of Lava
im sure thats just cause of his loss of respect for callahan. He said calahan doesnt listen to his players and shanahan does so they should get along. Thats a good point, and yet another reason Shanahan should not be fired.

TXBRONC

12-16-2003, 07:24 PM

Woodson is not the only one on the Raiders who is disgruntled with Callahan. From what I have heard most of the team has lost confidence in him.

bmanbronco

12-18-2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by dandaman23
YA that would be great, Bill Calahan and Charles Woodson have been having some problems too. When is Stahans contract up? We would have a great D line if he came. Trevor Pryce and Michael Strahan on the ends and Bert Berry and Daryl Gardener at tackle WOW.
What is up with daryl gardner I have not heard anything else from him

Return of Lava

12-19-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by bmanbronco
What is up with daryl gardner I have not heard anything else from him he is gone for the season with an illness. his agent says he wants to be back next year and act right.

TXBRONC

12-19-2003, 11:05 AM

If Shanahan has some sort of out clause which I would not doubt Gardener migt be sent packing.

smith2727

12-27-2003, 10:08 AM

this whole thread is moot since this isn't MLB and you can't just go around buying up all this marquee talent. We do have salary cap constraints to consider. but since we're dreaming anyway lets go ahead and bring in ray lewis and jason taylor too!

Return of Lava

12-27-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by smith2727
this whole thread is moot since this isn't MLB and you can't just go around buying up all this marquee talent. We do have salary cap constraints to consider. but since we're dreaming anyway lets go ahead and bring in ray lewis and jason taylor too! of course we know we cant have them, but its called rumors, rumors are made up. anyway, i like our corners and our d line, so we dont need them.

muse

12-28-2003, 04:34 AM

I personally think we need:

1 QB - (preferably a scrambler to keep the bootleg), keep JJ, release Kanell

1 HB - Galloway's been injured all season and we haven't seen anything from him. Mind you Shanny is probably keeping him for a reason...I would think that Cecil Sapp belongs in the squad though.

FBs - A lot of you have been talking about buying a blocking FB such as Lorenzo Neal. Think about this: Clinton Portis has gained two 1500 yard rushing seasons and NOT PLAYING ALL THE GAMES with Droughns and Anderson. Personally I think that the quick FB fits the system and couldbe the future.

WRs - A tough one. I think eMac will probably retire, so Lelie moves up to second receiver. All he needs is a bit of confidence. Now we have a small problem: third receiver. Chris Cole IMO does not fit the bill. He has got pace, but the fans call him 'Dropsie' for a reason. He's also consistently getting injured. I'm guessing Shanny signed Madise to a 5 year deal (correct me if I'm wrong) for a reason. I heard he was doing very well in training camp but has not done much since. I guess he also just needs some confidence

O-Line - Good job this year, helped Clinton to another 1500, and they had the pressure off with Jake's pace. Why mix up the starters now?

As for the defense, I think if we sign Woodson we could move Ryan McNeil to FS (I think he played there for SD last season), have Woodson and Walls starting with Herndon in the Nickel. Brandon hasn't been bad this season but he gets burned to easily. McNeil is a coverage player and would be a better fit. And you've already pointed out all the other players we need...

muse

12-28-2003, 04:43 AM

Oh yeah...we need a new Punter. Knorr is SH*T. I can't believe we signed him.

Nixhex78

12-30-2003, 10:08 AM

You guys stay away from Strahan, he's ours! :)

muse

12-30-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Nixhex78
You guys stay away from Strahan, he's ours! :)

You need to buy yourself 11 decent starters on D who can play. Strahan alone won 't make a difference.

SYKESno1FAN

12-30-2003, 12:16 PM

Actually when did Strahan verbally say that he LOVES the Broncos and I know Woodson is a perfect match for this defense but if we dont get him how about Bailey he is really good too, seeing how the Redskins gave a whole butt load of money to Lavar Arrington I dont think they will be able to get Bailey at all in the offseason

kcarr26

01-02-2004, 08:45 PM

our corners are good for now...maybe dealtha will obtain to his true form next year...CW would be nice and i agree brandon does get burned easily and move mcneil back with kennedy..walls backs up his "celebrations with his play, usually"...why not try to pick up winslow bein as how sharpe will pry retire...doubt we'll get him to mmany other high draft pick teams need him

sirspence007

01-03-2004, 05:48 PM

Strahn cost way to much and den u want charles woodson dat is way to much money charles woodson think hes da **** so he gonna want more money then hes worth as nice as it sounds it to good to be ture. sorry guys!
Plus we already got Jimmy Spencer,Lenny Walls, Kelly Herndon and + i wanna c Deltha get his job bak cause hes a good person when they came to play oakland i went to da hotels to get some autographs he signed everything that everyone wanted.

TXBRONC

01-03-2004, 08:02 PM

There nothing moot about obtaining a top notch FA. Some contracts would have to be restructured, and some players might have to be let go but its not out of the question at least at this point. As I have said before, of the two free agents that have been debated here Woodson in my opinion would be the better choice. Lenny Walls is becoming a very good cover man, but Herndon, and O'Neal don't seem to be the answer. What all of this depends on is whether or not Shanahan really wants one of these guys. He can't afford both but he can land one of them if really wants to do that.

Fat Joe

01-04-2004, 12:12 AM

I dunno, Denvers got some of the deepest pockets in the league. I wouldnt be surprised to see TO in the line up next year either.

Tony

01-05-2004, 05:31 PM

I hear that terrell owens may be a raven next season?

TXBRONC

01-16-2004, 12:49 AM

That might help Boller, but then again he has a tendency to be a distraction.

Fat Joe

01-18-2004, 11:54 PM

TO's only a distraction if you let him be. He didnt get along with Garcia for whatever reason, but he definatly can be a huge spark to any team. Denver doesnt really need him, but it would nice to have another big time receiver in the lineup.

SkyVortex

01-20-2004, 09:15 PM

Remember how you felt when we got Neil Smith?
Now think how you felt the year after?
I like building from the draft.
I guess im still a little bitter because of O'Neal.

Return of Lava

01-20-2004, 09:19 PM

strahan is better than neil and besides that, i felt 2 superbowls.

Bailey24

01-21-2004, 12:29 AM

I personally think phillip buchannan is better overall maybe not yet but definately portential wise than charles woodson. He's a lot faster it seems like. Also very good punt and kick returner. He has good hands for picks and good break away speed. His contract probably isn't up yet though.

halfback

01-21-2004, 10:42 AM

Im just curious where we will be getting the money to sign 1 of these guys

Fat Joe

01-24-2004, 06:19 PM

Last I knew Denver was up there among the league as far as most cap room, plus we have about 10- people in the secondary we could let go to make room.

Return of Lava

01-24-2004, 07:22 PM

we should get woodson. he will be the best bargain IMO. we will barely have enough to get him after we resign all our players

Fat Joe

01-24-2004, 09:52 PM

Maybe we should go after Law as our top priority, if he does infact leave New Engalnd.

BroncClaymore

02-11-2004, 03:35 PM

Law, Woodson, Strahan.... either one is fine with me! If we can pay them then fine! I would love to see them in a Denver uniform. Imagine what we could have done with a fit squad for the whole season last year? But as i see is allways the case with the Broncs is.....? CONSISTENCY! I dont want to mention a certain dreaded Indianapolan Team - who shall remain nameless :p - but we had a pretty fit squad then and i was just amazed at how awful we were! If we can be consistent then we are champs! Simple as that! We have top class players, top class management (well, some think so, Mike is a different story) and we can be.... well.... TOP CLASS!

BroncClaymore

02-13-2004, 10:07 AM

Strahan to Denver might not be as unlikely as i first thought!He wants a Superbowl ring BAD!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7085894

Return of Lava

02-13-2004, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by BroncClaymore
Strahan to Denver might not be as unlikely as i first thought!He wants a Superbowl ring BAD!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7085894 see, he would be cheap, but the thing is he doesnt play DB, and we have good ends already, i would still gladly take him though.

BroncClaymore

02-13-2004, 11:36 AM

Yeah, id prefer if we got in quickly for Woodson or Law :)

muse

02-14-2004, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Fat Joe
Maybe we should go after Law as our top priority, if he does infact leave New Engalnd.

A nice secondary:

CBs:

Ty Law
Nate Clements
Lennie Walls
Kelly Herndon
Willie Middlebrooks

FS:

Ryan McNeil (on his 2001 form)

SS:

Lawyer Milloy or Kenoy. EIther way they're both bastard hard hitters.

Would that be affordable...? :D

BroncClaymore

02-14-2004, 05:26 AM

Thats one nice soundin secondary you got there :D although i am still to be convinced about Willie Middlebrooks. From what iv seen (and that isnt much with me livin in Scotland and all) i think he has to play better.

PS - What the Hell happend to Ryan McNeil last year!?

BroncClaymore

02-14-2004, 06:41 AM

HEY! Another to add to the list! CHAMP BAILEY!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZ2NvMjltBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-redskins-bailey&prov=ap&type=lgns

BroncClaymore

02-14-2004, 06:43 AM

I'll try that link again, didnt see to work before:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZ2NvMjltBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-redskins-bailey&prov=ap&type=lgns

muse

02-14-2004, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by BroncClaymore

PS - What the Hell happend to Ryan McNeil last year!?

Ryan was cut by SD just before the season, and he sat around for 10 weeks eating KFC before we signed him. He didn't play much as he was just learning the system. He is great as a coverage safety and should be a good benchmark for Brandon to follow.

BroncClaymore

02-20-2004, 09:56 AM

Iv just realized something: Maybe the Broncs' have an idea with McNeil? Move him to CB? And to help the young talent come along... EVEN help Delta

BroncClaymore

02-21-2004, 11:04 AM

Replying to what fat joe said about cap room:

Salary Cap Situation
The Broncos are $5.7 million over the cap, according to ESPN.

Unrestricted Free Agents
DE Bertrand Berry, LB Al Wilson, LB Ian Gold, S Nick Ferguson, RB Reuben Droughns, TE Patrick Hape, T Blake Brockermeyer, LB Keith Burns, LB Johnny Rutledge, CB Ryan McNeil, CB Scott Turner, CB Jimmy Spencer

Restricted Free Agents
LB Donnie Spragan, WR Chris Cole, C Ben Hamilton, G Steve Herndon, DE Reggie Hayward

Bailey24

02-22-2004, 12:01 AM

Bailey24

02-22-2004, 12:05 AM

I think we should go after bailey. He got franchised by washington but who cares he would be a great addition who could make a huge impact right away and is very young still. I dont really want to see this happen cuz i really like al wilson but if anything we could franchise him and trade him to a non division team and get our draft picks right back. I know it would leave our line backing corps really thin for leadership but they cant intercept passes anyway. And any linebacker can tackle, well a lot of them anyway. Plus gold was the one who showed the best hands for interceptions anyway. Dont get me wrong i want us to keep wilson really bad cuz i love him as a player but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to get around saleries and have the best team possible. Plus if we could trade him to a team that wasn't that great last year we could essentially have just traded up in the draft by getting better picks for wilson than the ones we would give up to washington allowing us to get a stud d-lineman or another really good player or trade down and still be better off positon wise than we were before and get more draft picks and still a very good player in round one. Thats just me dreaming though i guess. I do it every year before the draft and every year the bronx never do anything exciting on draft day. But hey we still get good players i guess.

BroncClaymore

02-22-2004, 04:10 AM

........ keep him.

Bailey24

02-22-2004, 01:59 PM

oops didn't mean to write that twice. Adam Schefter has an article on the denverpost saying we should trade portis to the redskins straight up for champ. I dont know about that. Who would you guys rather see go so we could get bailey, Wilson or portis?

dandaman23

02-22-2004, 02:04 PM

I would personally want to see Wilson go instead of Portis, but I dont know that is a tough question. I wouldnt want us to trade Portis for Baily though. I would like it if both of them stayed.

BroncClaymore

02-22-2004, 02:06 PM

Wilson is our Ray Lewis, almost irreplacable! And Portis is a massive star and i think he coulda got 2000 yards this season aswell if he had been fit the whole time!

EddyMac87

02-22-2004, 04:57 PM

Bailey24

02-23-2004, 12:34 AM

i agree, i think we should just give up our first 2 picks. Just to make it interesting i figured since denver is already gonna tag al wilson we could possibly trade him to a team that has a low draft pick and that would basically be like trading up in the draft to get a solid impact player plus get bailey. The only way any team does that is by sacrificing something though and id hate to see us lose wilson as much as anyone else thats a broncos fan but i think personally id rather lose wilson than portis.

DJTreble

02-25-2004, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by portisistheman
Bring them on!!!
Screw Gardner he is just a bum anyway

blazeg189

02-26-2004, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Portis2280
oops didn't mean to write that twice. Adam Schefter has an article on the denverpost saying we should trade portis to the redskins straight up for champ. I dont know about that. Who would you guys rather see go so we could get bailey, Wilson or portis?

personally id rather get rid of portis. dont get me wrong he's done wonders for the broncos but wilson has done more. wilson is the d captian and showed some very good leadership qualities when he needed. plus, he's an awsome player but we already signed him so there's no question about it anymore. but with the broncos' running program we can get griffin to be a 1500 back, especially with our o-line. and dont worry about washington being dangerous with portis, if they dont get a lot better o-line before the season starts he's gonna be hurt in the pre-season.