Germany 2006 - World Cup

[Den21-Bal19]

Tonight's the draw for next years FIFA World Cup, in Germany.

32 teams have qualified, and will be drawn into 8 groups of 4 each. Prior to the draw, 8 of the 32 sides have been seeded, based upon their average FIFA ranking and their performances in France '98 & Japorea '02, with the remainder split into a further 4 groups:

Seeded Sides (Pot One):

Germany (hosts), Brazil (holders), Argentina, England, France, Italy, Mexico, Spain.

Each of these sides will go into one of the eight groups.

POT TWO:

Australia, Angola, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo, Tunisia, Ecuador, Paraguay.

POT THREE:

Croatia, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine

POT FOUR:

Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Costa Rica, Trinidad & Tobago, USA

Special Pot:

Serbia & Montengro.

It is not a straight random draw with a team from each pot going into each group. Briefly, the non random factor is that, other than European sides, no group may have any more than 1 country from any confederation. In Europe's case, the ruling is for 3 sides, which is why Serbia are in a little pot of their own. Serbia can only go into a group with Brazil, Argentina or Mexico. Similarly, the US can not be drawn in the same group as Mexico.

[alan]

O god i cant wait for tonight...i wonder who ireland will play..... :ugh: :(

Damn

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

Goooooo Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaws]

O god i cant wait for tonight...i wonder who ireland will play..... :ugh:



Wales! We'll have our own private World Around the Irish Sea Cup!!! :goofy: :D

Should we invite Northern Ireland and Scotland too?

[Den21-Bal19]

Group A: Germany, Costa Rica, Poland, Equador

Group B: England, Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Sweden

Group C: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia & Montenegro, Netherlands

Group D: Mexico, Iran, Angola, Portugal

Group E: Italy, Ghana, USA, Czech Republic

Group F: Brazil, Croatia, Australia, Japan

Group G: France, Switzerland, South Korea, Togo

Group H: Spain, Ukraine, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia

Any Thoughts?

[y2cragie]

Germany and England have nice easy groups. Based on talent over opponents Spain have the easiest. The USA have possibly the toughest group.
Other than that, I really dont see a group there, that the seeded teams will loose.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

Germany and England have nice easy groups. Based on talent over opponents Spain have the easiest. The USA have possibly the toughest group.
Other than that, I really dont see a group there, that the seeded teams will loose.
Yea, no group of death this time around.

[alan]

Wales! We'll have our own private World Around the Irish Sea Cup!!! :goofy: :D

Should we invite Northern Ireland and Scotland too?


yeah sure well call it the celtic cup

[RoorRipper]

Uh oh... we are in a tough division! If we somehow beat the Italians and win the group, we should root for Brazil. We do not want to face Brazil in the 16 team elimination.

[Den21-Bal19]

I think the two toughest groups are Argentina's and the US's. One of the African teams normally comes through to get to the last sixteen, and since they're all pretty well an unknown quantity............

It will also be interesting to see how well Japan & especially South Korea show this time round. Korea, for me, were the biggest suprise of 02, it will be interesting to see how much of that was down to the fantastic support that they had.

[Booher]

Uh oh... we are in a tough division! If we somehow beat the Italians and win the group, we should root for Brazil. We do not want to face Brazil in the 16 team elimination.

Um, the italians are at the best the third team in the group...behind the czech republic and the us....czech republic being the overwhelming favorite of the group.

Us and czech republic will be 1/2...not in that order necessarilly...but anything can happen at the world cup just ask portugal and mexico. :D

[Kapaibro]

Germany and England have nice easy groups. Based on talent over opponents Spain have the easiest. The USA have possibly the toughest group.
Other than that, I really dont see a group there, that the seeded teams will loose.
Hello? England hasn't beaten Sweden in ages! And the Germans have Poland.

The easiest seems to be Portugal in D, and Spain in H.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

Goooo Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beat The Crap Out Of The French Togo Of Swiss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Sevenis7]

Group A: Germany, Costa Rica, Poland, Equador

Should be boring group play. No one has a potent offense. Germany, Poland move on to the next round.

Group B: England, Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Sweden

Glad to see England be #1 seed in the group. Many on this board aren't too happy w/their recent play, but definitely too much talent not to be taken seriously in this tournament. Paraguay have a good defense. T&T will be the whipping boy of this group. England, Sweden move on.

Group C: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia & Montenegro, Netherlands

Glad to see Argentina not in a particularly difficult group. Last World Cups being put in tough groups did them in. Group play should allow Argentines to gel as a team, maybe even rest some of their stars for the knock-out stages. Watch out for them; they're my pick to win it all. Argentina, Holland move on.

Group D: Mexico, Iran, Angola, Portugal

Difficult group to gauge. Mexico is overrated (Shouldn't be a #1 seed). A lot like the US in that they lack legitimate strikers but are difficult to score on. Portgual should be the favorite to win the group, but has a history of under-performing. Still, both are better than the competition in their group and should qualify to next round.

Group E: Italy, Ghana, USA, Czech Republic

Toughest group. Maybe not "Group of Death"; more like, "Group of Very Bad Health". Either way, I think it spells doom for the US. I think they lack the firepower to get out of the group as goal differential will be a factor. The Czechs (Experience) and Ghana (Athleticism) move on.

Group F: Brazil, Croatia, Australia, Japan

Brazil will beat up on everyone else in the group. They and Croatia (Better defense than the other two teams) move on.

Group G: France, Switzerland, South Korea, Togo

Don't know too much about how these teams are doing leading up to WC. Got to go w/experience. France, S Korea move on.

Group H: Spain, Ukraine, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia

Spain drew an easy group, but won't win it. History of collapsing on the grand stage makes me want to favor Ukraine (Don't they have Shevshenko?) to win group w/Spain in 2nd.

Can't wait for summer!

[frenchfan]

Group A: Germany, Costa Rica, Poland, Equador? Germany is in an easy group... They should go to the next round... Second : Poland or Costa Rica...

Group B: England, Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Sweden?Well, not bad for my english friends... I think you'll go to the next round too... Sweden would be a tough test for you... be careful about Paraguay (good D and not so easy to play).

Group C: Argentina, Ivory Coast, Serbia & Montenegro, Netherlands?THe TOUGHEST group with no doubt... Netherlands were easy during the qualify round.. Argentina is one of the favs too, and then you have Serbia which is a solid team and Ivory which is very dangerous too... We played against them recently and we were happy to win... Good offense with Drogba...

Group D: Mexico, Iran, Angola, Portugal?Well... Mexico & Portugal for the next round...


Group E: Italy, Ghana, USA, Czech Republic?A tough group too, but defenitely not the toughest one... Italy is fav, but I think US can make it too...

Group F: Brazil, Croatia, Australia, Japan?Well, may be the easiest group... Brazil didn't need that... LOL... For the second spot, it's open... (I hope for Karaipro that Australia will play well)

Group G: France, Switzerland, South Korea, Togo?Well, I'm not unhappy ... Swiss is a good team and we know each other so much (5 games in the last 3 years)... Korea is not as goos as they were in 2002.... Togo ? I don't know much about them...
I'll go for France & Swizz for the next round...

Group H: Spain, Ukraine, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia?It looks like an easy group but it's not... Ukraien will be a tough team to beat, and Tunisia are not bad too... But I guess that Spain has the talent to go through... My pick will be SPain & Ukraine.

[Den21-Bal19]

Germany is in an easy group... They should go to the next round... Second : Poland or Costa Rica...

Well, not bad for my english friends... I think you'll go to the next round too... Sweden would be a tough test for you... be careful about Paraguay (good D and not so easy to play).

THe TOUGHEST group with no doubt... Netherlands were easy during the qualify round.. Argentina is one of the favs too, and then you have Serbia which is a solid team and Ivory which is very dangerous too... We played against them recently and we were happy to win... Good offense with Drogba...

Well... Mexico & Portugal for the next round...


A tough group too, but defenitely not the toughest one... Italy is fav, but I think US can make it too...

Well, may be the easiest group... Brazil didn't need that... LOL... For the second spot, it's open... (I hope for Karaipro that Australia will play well)

Well, I'm not unhappy ... Swiss is a good team and we know each other so much (5 games in the last 3 years)... Korea is not as goos as they were in 2002.... Togo ? I don't know much about them...
I'll go for France & Swizz for the next round...

It looks like an easy group but it's not... Ukraien will be a tough team to beat, and Tunisia are not bad too... But I guess that Spain has the talent to go through... My pick will be SPain & Ukraine.

I can't disagree with much of that, one of the African sides will get to the knockout phase, but they're all pretty well unproven at this level so I've got absolutely no idea which.

South Korea are an interesting one, they had a fantastic time in 2002, but the home advantage is a well proven one, the home nation always has a good tournament and it will be fascinating to see if they played above themselves last time around.

And of course, there's always a couple of the big sides that under perform, last time it was France and Argentina. Personally, I think Spain will probably unerachieve, pretty much as usual, although if the Liverpool contingent can carry some some of the Red's self belief through, who knows.

I think that the other suprise could well be Italy, if Ghana can get amongst them early doors, it could well be the US & the Czech (possibly the best unseeded side) to go through.

The Dutch, as well when it comes to tournament play either dazzle us with their brilliance, or completely self-destruct with internal squabbling. If they're not 100% focused, they will lose out in this group.

And as for England, that group's about as good as we could hope for, including the playing order. Sweden have given us a hard time over the years, hopefully we'll have qualification sown up by then. We beat Paraguay 4-0 at Anfield before Japorea 02, and other than Brazil & Argentina, South American sides don't travel very well to Europe.

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

No love for the italians, huh? Well, we'll see.

[Den21-Bal19]

No love for the italians, huh? Well, we'll see.

No offence mate ;)

On paper, it's a simple toss up between Italy & the Czech's (best unseeded side)as to which order they finish in.

However a colleague of mine's from Cameroon, and he thinks that Ghana are possibly the African side best suited to the World Cup. Plus they play Italy first up , which can always be a potential banana skin. Then you can chuck the US into the mix, and after Japorea there's no doubt that they belong at the World Cup.

I can just see this group being very tight, and quite literally any two of the four could go through

[Sevenis7]

No love for the italians, huh? Well, we'll see.

They are always very well organized in the back, but do they have enough offense to advance far in the tournament? Having so many foreign players in Serie A is coming back to haunt them.

[bronc_fan23]

Die Deutschen werde die ganze Weltmeistershaft gewinnin.

[Booher]

Die Deutschen werde die ganze Weltmeistershaft gewinnin.


nicht.....

[bronc_fan23]

nicht.....

haha ja das ist wahr.......ich will das die amerikana alles aus das weltmeistershaft gewinnin.....aber if die deustchen in verlierien bevor amerika dan wille ich das, wir, die amerikana alles gewinnin......

[frenchfan]

I can't disagree with much of that, one of the African sides will get to the knockout phase, but they're all pretty well unproven at this level so I've got absolutely no idea which.

South Korea are an interesting one, they had a fantastic time in 2002, but the home advantage is a well proven one, the home nation always has a good tournament and it will be fascinating to see if they played above themselves last time around.

And of course, there's always a couple of the big sides that under perform, last time it was France and Argentina. Personally, I think Spain will probably unerachieve, pretty much as usual, although if the Liverpool contingent can carry some some of the Red's self belief through, who knows.

I think that the other suprise could well be Italy, if Ghana can get amongst them early doors, it could well be the US & the Czech (possibly the best unseeded side) to go through.

The Dutch, as well when it comes to tournament play either dazzle us with their brilliance, or completely self-destruct with internal squabbling. If they're not 100% focused, they will lose out in this group.

And as for England, that group's about as good as we could hope for, including the playing order. Sweden have given us a hard time over the years, hopefully we'll have qualification sown up by then. We beat Paraguay 4-0 at Anfield before Japorea 02, and other than Brazil & Argentina, South American sides don't travel very well to Europe.As usual, a smart analysis Den...

As for each WC, there'll be some surprises of course... You mentionned some of them... I think Ivory can make a good tournament too... They played against us and Italy and they make good games... Though we beat them 3-0, it was not a fair result... We had a hard time playing against them... Hopefully we have a good D with 2 awesome goalkeepers (Coupet & Barthez). And we took advantage of each of their D mistakes... Then they had a draw against Italy (1-1)...

Thanks for the analysis about Ghana... It's true that it's a team that we don't know very much...

My US friends are not lucky... Playing Italy, Czech (I agree with you Den : be careful of this team - Plus, it looks like eastern teams will be good) and Ghana won't be an easy task... But in the other hand, USA have nothing to lose and I think they can make it... Though I don't think US is a fav of this WC, they are a real and tough outsider who can make a lot of damage to any team...
NJie, don't worry about the comments about Italy... Squadra Azzura is always good during great events... That's why my picks are Italy & USA.

In fact, I think there are 2 easy groups (Germany & Brazil), 2 tough groups (Italy & Argentina) and the others are balanced... I just hope France will solve their problems about midfield... Our problem is that we don't make a good link between D and O .... Hopefully we have Zidane, but he 's not so young and we can't just rely on him... I hope Domenech will pick Riberie, a midfield who plays with Marseille... If he could be in the same shape that he is now, I think he could defenitely help us..
I can't understand that with so many great players we have we can't be better... :confused:
What's your point Den ?

Now, that's a point we didn't take care of : the physical shape of each team... That's a point that was revealed during the last European championship... Greece won because they were in a better shape than the other teams for most part...
Do you think that it will be a fact too for the next WC ?

[Jaws]

Ghana want teenage sensation:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/soccer/12/12/bc.sow.lgns.ghanaadu.r/index.html

[Den21-Bal19]

Ghana want teenage sensation:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/soccer/12/12/bc.sow.lgns.ghanaadu.r/index.html

Ouch, that could hurt the US if they don't pick him for the senior squad soon.


I just hope he doesn't ruin his prospects of international glory, like Ryan Giggs dis :D

[Sevenis7]

Now, that's a point we didn't take care of : the physical shape of each team... That's a point that was revealed during the last European championship... Greece won because they were in a better shape than the other teams for most part...
Do you think that it will be a fact too for the next WC ?

You bring up a great point, Frenchie. WC continues to grow and grow. This makes for more games and, unfortunately, lower quality football. Add to that, that teams used to play in just one city; now WC has teams traveling around so fans can see as many different teams as possible. Great idea for marketing, but again, added travel wears players down who are already tired from league play.

Looking at the last few winners, I think group draw is critical. If you're in an "easy" group, it allows your team to come together w/o added pressure of tough games PLUS you might be able to rest some of your stars for a half and/or a game.

[Jaws]

Ouch, that could hurt the US if they don't pick him for the senior squad soon.


I just hope he doesn't ruin his prospects of international glory, like Ryan Giggs dis :D

Shark vistation to Cheshire imminent!!!! :mad:

[Den21-Bal19]

Shark vistation to Cheshire imminent!!!! :mad:

Time for a vacation :laugh:

If Giggs had played for England, he would have quite likely picked up a major trophy, as everyone knows (expect maybe succesive England managers) that the left side of midfield has been a problem for the last ten years.

I wonder, as well, if he'd have been allowed to miss so many games if he'd played for England rather than Wales?

[frenchfan]

You bring up a great point, Frenchie. WC continues to grow and grow. This makes for more games and, unfortunately, lower quality football. Add to that, that teams used to play in just one city; now WC has teams traveling around so fans can see as many different teams as possible. Great idea for marketing, but again, added travel wears players down who are already tired from league play.

Looking at the last few winners, I think group draw is critical. If you're in an "easy" group, it allows your team to come together w/o added pressure of tough games PLUS you might be able to rest some of your stars for a half and/or a game.You're defenitely right 7is7 ....
Well, our problems during 2002 WC and European Championship were numberous... But it's true that we weren't in good shape... Our players are counted as among the best in the world so they play for great teams and they play too many games... When WC or EC come, they're too tired... I guess it's true for most great nations expect Brazil (they have sooooooo many good players !)...

In fact, sometimes I pray that Zidane, Henry could be injured (not too badly) for 1 or 2 month... So that could allow them to be in great shape for the WC ... Pathetic, don't you think so ? :D LOL

The good news for us this year is that our group is not too tough (we can make it easy by playing well and beat Swiss)... Now, it can be a trap too (remember 2002 !!!). Tha bad news is that we'll start to play later than many teams, so we'll have less time to rest (if we make the next round)...

Well, anyway, I'm dying to watch the games... It's always nice to see all those good nations of soccer... And I could watch USA (that will give me more informations about their level)...
Though I agree with you that the quality is lower now... I can remember some great games of WC history such as 82's France vs Germany or 86's France vs Vrazil... That were some awesome games !

[Den21-Bal19]

You're defenitely right 7is7 ....
Well, our problems during 2002 WC and European Championship were numberous... But it's true that we weren't in good shape... Our players are counted as among the best in the world so they play for great teams and they play too many games... When WC or EC come, they're too tired... I guess it's true for most great nations expect Brazil (they have sooooooo many good players !)...

In fact, sometimes I pray that Zidane, Henry could be injured (not too badly) for 1 or 2 month... So that could allow them to be in great shape for the WC ... Pathetic, don't you think so ? :D LOL

The good news for us this year is that our group is not too tough (we can make it easy by playing well and beat Swiss)... Now, it can be a trap too (remember 2002 !!!). Tha bad news is that we'll start to play later than many teams, so we'll have less time to rest (if we make the next round)...

Well, anyway, I'm dying to watch the games... It's always nice to see all those good nations of soccer... And I could watch USA (that will give me more informations about their level)...
Though I agree with you that the quality is lower now... I can remember some great games of WC history such as 82's France vs Germany or 86's France vs Vrazil... That were some awesome games !

This year, other than the two sides playing the Champions League Final in Paris (Liverpool vs whoever ;) ), all players must be released to their national sides no later than a month before the the opening day of the WC. However, some of the lower division sides in England have their playoff fianls after the deadline, yet could lose their star players because of the World Cup. To give an idea of the importance of these playoff finals, the Championship final (for promotion to the Premiership) is reckoned to be the most valuable single game in World Football, promotion to the English Premiership thought to be worth around £30million+ over two years.

Some players this year will have played nearly a year without any significant break, certainly if you look at Liverpool captain & England midfielder Stevie Gerrard for example, his first competitve match of the season was on the 9th of July and if England were to reach the final in Germany on the 9th July 06 then the amount of football being played becomes silly. Especially since he'll probably be back in train 2-3 weeks later for the next Premiership season.

But who should get precedent for these players? Their countries, or the clubs that pay their wages? There is currently two court case pending, backed by the G14 (Europe's most powerful clubs) with regards to injuries suffered by players on international duty. The two player's involved, Abdelmajid Oulmers, a Morrocan playing for Belgium's Sporting Chareroi and Eric Abidal, a Costa Rican playing for French side Olympic Lyon, were both injured playing in Friendly matches, Oulmers I believe was out for 8 months and Abidal broke a bone in his foot last month.

BTW, Frenchie, can you give me any more about the Abidal story? Cheers.

But these injuries, in general, can cost sides dearly for the WC. Backham was recovering from a broken foot whilst he played in Japan, which IMO cost us the game against Brazil. At 1-0 he jumped out of making a challenge, which directly led to Brazil's equalizer. It was a challenge that he would have normally made, and on single incidents like that, tournaments can be won or lost.

[The Dark Knight]

Our best athletes don't even play Soccer!

Just rejects who couldn't play Football, Baseball, Basketball or Hockey!!!

[Den21-Bal19]

Our best athletes don't even play Soccer!

Just rejects who couldn't play Football, Baseball, Basketball or Hockey!!!

C'mon, TDK, a little tolerance here ;)

Every sport has it's own great athletes. Guys that play NFL would struggle to play soccer at a competitive level, and soccer players would struggle in the NFL, excpet as kickers.....................

If it hadn't been for some guy at a soccer game in Rugby, England, picking up the ball the game of Rugby would never have been born. If Rugby hadn't been born, then a shorthanded, 11 man game would never have been played at Harvard (I think), providing the genesis for what you call football. So little gratitude maybe :goofy:

After, it is the gloabl sport :laugh:

[frenchfan]

This year, other than the two sides playing the Champions League Final in Paris (Liverpool vs whoever ;) ), all players must be released to their national sides no later than a month before the the opening day of the WC. However, some of the lower division sides in England have their playoff fianls after the deadline, yet could lose their star players because of the World Cup. To give an idea of the importance of these playoff finals, the Championship final (for promotion to the Premiership) is reckoned to be the most valuable single game in World Football, promotion to the English Premiership thought to be worth around £30million+ over two years.

Some players this year will have played nearly a year without any significant break, certainly if you look at Liverpool captain & England midfielder Stevie Gerrard for example, his first competitve match of the season was on the 9th of July and if England were to reach the final in Germany on the 9th July 06 then the amount of football being played becomes silly. Especially since he'll probably be back in train 2-3 weeks later for the next Premiership season.

But who should get precedent for these players? Their countries, or the clubs that pay their wages? There is currently two court case pending, backed by the G14 (Europe's most powerful clubs) with regards to injuries suffered by players on international duty. The two player's involved, Abdelmajid Oulmers, a Morrocan playing for Belgium's Sporting Chareroi and Eric Abidal, a Costa Rican playing for French side Olympic Lyon, were both injured playing in Friendly matches, Oulmers I believe was out for 8 months and Abidal broke a bone in his foot last month.

BTW, Frenchie, can you give me any more about the Abidal story? Cheers.

But these injuries, in general, can cost sides dearly for the WC. Backham was recovering from a broken foot whilst he played in Japan, which IMO cost us the game against Brazil. At 1-0 he jumped out of making a challenge, which directly led to Brazil's equalizer. It was a challenge that he would have normally made, and on single incidents like that, tournaments can be won or lost.Good post Den (as usual)....

Well, Abidal was injured during the game vs Costa Rica which was playing at The Martinique.... He had a problem with his leg but was not injured by another player...

Aulas, Lyon's Chairman, wants to have some money back because his player was hurted with French national team... He argues that his club is paying the player and not the national team... As a member of the G14, he is supported by the most powerful teams...

What do you want to know more about this story Den ? There is still no answer about what Aulas wants ... But I'll keep you informed if you want to...

[Den21-Bal19]

Good post Den (as usual)....

Well, Abidal was injured during the game vs Costa Rica which was playing at The Martinique.... He had a problem with his leg but was not injured by another player...

Aulas, Lyon's Chairman, wants to have some money back because his player was hurted with French national team... He argues that his club is paying the player and not the national team... As a member of the G14, he is supported by the most powerful teams...

What do you want to know more about this story Den ? There is still no answer about what Aulas wants ... But I'll keep you informed if you want to...


Stop with this, I'm not going to be able to get my head out the door if you carry on Frenchy :D

If you could let me know what's been said over there about this, I'd appreciate. Some of the press are dubbing it 'Bosman 2' , quite obviously it could be on e of the biggest football stories in years :beer:

[Sevenis7]

In fact, sometimes I pray that Zidane, Henry could be injured (not too badly) for 1 or 2 month... So that could allow them to be in great shape for the WC ... Pathetic, don't you think so ? :D LOL

No, it isn't pathetic, Frenchie. Isn't that what happened to Ronaldo last WC? Didn't play for Real Madrid for a while and then came back to have another great WC.

Though I agree with you that the quality is lower now... I can remember some great games of WC history such as 82's France vs Germany or 86's France vs Vrazil... That were some awesome games !

That 86 France-Brazil game was one of the all-time greats. Just look at all the stars that were on the pitch that day! Really incredible. Those Tele Santana-coached Brazil sides of 82 and 86 played really incredible attacking football. They were unfortunate not to have won anything.

Also, you failed to mention the 98 final between France and Brazil. Argentina-England in 98 (Owens's break-out game) was also very good, and for us, here in the States, USA-Mexico in 02 was exciting (Rivalry game).

[The Dark Knight]

C'mon, TDK, a little tolerance here ;)

Every sport has it's own great athletes. Guys that play NFL would struggle to play soccer at a competitive level, and soccer players would struggle in the NFL, excpet as kickers.....................

If it hadn't been for some guy at a soccer game in Rugby, England, picking up the ball the game of Rugby would never have been born. If Rugby hadn't been born, then a shorthanded, 11 man game would never have been played at Harvard (I think), providing the genesis for what you call football. So little gratitude maybe

After, it is the gloabl sport :laugh:



Soccer is only a global sport because it's dirt cheap to play and any moron can learn/play it!!!

That's why they teach it to 2 year olds and little girls!


;)

[Sevenis7]

Our best athletes don't even play Soccer!

Just rejects who couldn't play Football, Baseball, Basketball or Hockey!!!

Actually many soccer "regects" went on to have successful professional careers in some of these sports, especially in the NBA. Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Motumbo, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitski, Steve Nash (Current league MVP)--- all grew up playing soccer. As did most of the place kickers in the NFL and many Caribbean-born MLB players, as well.

Who knows if they were better soccer players than they were at other sports, but I'm pretty certain in the US, you go to the leagues that pay the most and that's the big three (Baseball-basketball-football). I'm sure playing soccer helped them develop stamina, coordination, and movement w/o the ball. It's a great sport, man. Don't hate...

[The Dark Knight]

Actually many soccer "regects" went on to have successful professional careers in some of these sports, especially in the NBA. Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Motumbo, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitski, Steve Nash (Current league MVP)--- all grew up playing soccer. As did most of the place kickers in the NFL and many Caribbean-born MLB players, as well.

Who knows if they were better soccer players than they were at other sports, but I'm pretty certain in the US, you go to the leagues that pay the most and that's the big three (Baseball-basketball-football). I'm sure playing soccer helped them develop stamina, coordination, and movement w/o the ball. It's a great sport, man. Don't hate...



Gimme a break.

We all played soccer....AS CHILDREN!

And no, it is not a great sport.

It is Hockey, but slower and less exciting!

[Den21-Bal19]

Soccer is only a global sport because it's dirt cheap to play and any moron can learn/play it!!!

That's why they teach it to 2 year olds and little girls!


;)

You can teach any moron to play virtually any sport, bit like trained chimpanzees :laugh:

I mean, what you guys call a professional sport, baseball, is most definitely a young schoolgirl's game over here, rounders. :cheeky:

[The Dark Knight]

You can teach any moron to play virtually any sport, bit like trained chimpanzees :laugh:

I mean, what you guys call a professional sport, baseball, is most definitely a young schoolgirl's game over here, rounders. :cheeky:


Yeah, I don't like baseball anymore.

I did when I was a kid.

Today's players are so overpaid.

20 million a year?

That's insane.

[Den21-Bal19]

Yeah, I don't like baseball anymore.

I did when I was a kid.

Today's players are so overpaid.

20 million a year?

That's insane.

I think it's getting the same with any sport.

A guy that played for Liverpool recently sold his medal collection for some medical treatment.............he got less for the medals accumalated in a career than some players make a week :confused:

£100,000 a week for kicking a bag of wind around for 90 minutes once or twice a week? The lunatics are running the asylum, my friend :D

[Booher]

Our best athletes don't even play Soccer!

Just rejects who couldn't play Football, Baseball, Basketball or Hockey!!!


I beleive the topic was about the upcoming world cup...not an invite for stupid unrelevant posts. Take your dramaqueeness elsewhere.

[Den21-Bal19]

I beleive the topic was about the upcoming world cup...not an invite for stupid unrelevant posts. Take your dramaqueeness elsewhere.

Hey, Booher, what do you reckon to the US's draw?

Are you still planning on going to Germany?

[Booher]

Hey, Booher, what do you reckon to the US's draw?

Are you still planning on going to Germany?


I think the us got a tough draw but it's all good. They had a great year this year, best ever win percentage. I think us and czech republic will make it through. My guess is 2 ties and a win in group play. I was gonna go but after me and the wife split the funds go to her so no trip for me, but I will be saving my vacation days so I can take the time off work so I don't miss any us games.

[Den21-Bal19]

I think the us got a tough draw but it's all good. They had a great year this year, best ever win percentage. I think us and czech republic will make it through. My guess is 2 ties and a win in group play. I was gonna go but after me and the wife split the funds go to her so no trip for me, but I will be saving my vacation days so I can take the time off work so I don't miss any us games.


Sorry to hear that,mate, I guess you'll just have to spend the tournament chatting about it here with the rest of us soccer freaks :D

Like you say though, the US have got a tough group, and 5 points sounds about right to go through, but at this moment in time, I honestly couldn't pick which two will go through.

[Vulcan]

Hey guys, this is the wrong forum.


(Hopes someone'll get the joke).

[Den21-Bal19]

Hey guys, this is the wrong forum.


(Hopes someone'll get the joke).

:laugh: You got any idea how difficult it is for me to call it soccer :D

[frenchfan]

:laugh: You got any idea how difficult it is for me to call it soccer :D:D I do agree...

[frenchfan]

No, it isn't pathetic, Frenchie. Isn't that what happened to Ronaldo last WC? Didn't play for Real Madrid for a while and then came back to have another great WC.



That 86 France-Brazil game was one of the all-time greats. Just look at all the stars that were on the pitch that day! Really incredible. Those Tele Santana-coached Brazil sides of 82 and 86 played really incredible attacking football. They were unfortunate not to have won anything.

Also, you failed to mention the 98 final between France and Brazil. Argentina-England in 98 (Owens's break-out game) was also very good, and for us, here in the States, USA-Mexico in 02 was exciting (Rivalry game).Yeah, I didn't mention all the great games in WC history... I can't say I know all of them but I was just lucky to watch some of them... The more painfull one will also be the 82's semi-final against Germany... The happiest one was teh 98's final against Brazil (did you notice that we often beat Brazil ? LOL)...

But this soccer is dead now I guess... But there is sometimes some exciting teams (from time to time)... Such as the current Brazilian team...
I hope this WC will be interesting (more than the last European CHampionship which was not so exciting).

[Den21-Bal19]

But this soccer is dead now I guess... But there is sometimes some exciting teams (from time to time)... Such as the current Brazilian team...
I hope this WC will be interesting (more than the last European CHampionship which was not so exciting).

Even the last Euros had it's moments though, like the Czech vs Holland game!

[Jaws]

Exams in Saudi Arabia are being postponed next year so football mad youngsters can enjoy the World Cup.

The Saudi Education Ministry announced changes to school and university timetables in order to make way for the football tournament in Germany.

In a statement it said it would be a shame if students were unable to enjoy the competition properly because of their exams.

It added that it would also be detrimental to their grades if they spent too much time in front of the TV instead of studying.

Instead they have rearranged the exam timetables to prevent clashes with final exams at the end of June and beginning of July.

My 15 year old son who has GCSE's in June is in the process of applying for his Saudi passport right now!

[Den21-Bal19]

Exams in Saudi Arabia are being postponed next year so football mad youngsters can enjoy the World Cup.

Bloody kids nowadays, everything given to them on a plate :laugh:

My 15 year old son who has GCSE's in June is in the process of applying for his Saudi passport right now!

Have you explained to him about the future lack of alcohol? :D

[Sevenis7]

But this soccer is dead now I guess... But there is sometimes some exciting teams (from time to time)... Such as the current Brazilian team...
I hope this WC will be interesting (more than the last European CHampionship which was not so exciting).

Four things that are killing "o jogo bonito":

1) The WC has gotten too big, too many games. Players are tired by the time they reach the Final.

2) With so much pressure, teams play "not to lose" rather than playing to win.

3) It's easier to destroy than to create. Many of these managers play ultra-conservative formations, hoping for counter attacks. (See above.)

4) "The One Great Player in a Generation" phenomenon. Pele-> Cruyf-> Maradona-> Zidane-> Who? I think we've had this discussion before about Zidane and that there doesn't seem to be a successor to him on the world stage: that electric player that seems to dazzle us w/his creativity and skill, who pushes his team to greatness. Maybe one will emerge in this WC....

[frenchfan]

Four things that are killing "o jogo bonito":

1) The WC has gotten too big, too many games. Players are tired by the time they reach the Final.

2) With so much pressure, teams play "not to lose" rather than playing to win.

3) It's easier to destroy than to create. Many of these managers play ultra-conservative formations, hoping for counter attacks. (See above.)

4) "The One Great Player in a Generation" phenomenon. Pele-> Cruyf-> Maradona-> Zidane-> Who? I think we've had this discussion before about Zidane and that there doesn't seem to be a successor to him on the world stage: that electric player that seems to dazzle us w/his creativity and skill, who pushes his team to greatness. Maybe one will emerge in this WC....Good points...

About the 4), I have a name : Ronaldinho... Have you ever seen him playing ? He plyaed for Paris and now for Barcelone... He is the best current player... Henry is very good too... There will always be some exceptionals players... But the game in a whole is less exciting for sure...

[njiadj]

4) "The One Great Player in a Generation" phenomenon. Pele-> Cruyf-> Maradona-> Zidane-> Who? I think we've had this discussion before about Zidane and that there doesn't seem to be a successor to him on the world stage: that electric player that seems to dazzle us w/his creativity and skill, who pushes his team to greatness. Maybe one will emerge in this WC....

yeah i think ronaldinho from brazil could be that next guy, he's playing awesome right now. Hopefully in the wc he keeps playing like that

[Sevenis7]

Exams in Saudi Arabia are being postponed next year so football mad youngsters can enjoy the World Cup.

The Saudi Education Ministry announced changes to school and university timetables in order to make way for the football tournament in Germany.

In a statement it said it would be a shame if students were unable to enjoy the competition properly because of their exams.

It added that it would also be detrimental to their grades if they spent too much time in front of the TV instead of studying.

Instead they have rearranged the exam timetables to prevent clashes with final exams at the end of June and beginning of July.

My 15 year old son who has GCSE's in June is in the process of applying for his Saudi passport right now!

Good to see they have their priorities in order: Soccer > Studies.

[Den21-Bal19]

Good to see they have their priorities in order: Soccer > Studies.

Alright mate, hope you had a good Chrimbo :beer:

Looks like you had to work at it, but the Gunners broke their December Duck :D

[Sevenis7]

6 months to go....

[Jaws]

6 months to go....

Boy I can't wait. Even though my Wales aren't there (what's new) there are so many teams I'm looking forward to see. I just watched a really exciting FA CUp game between Liverpool and Luton. The reds were down 3-1 and came back to win 5-3. I hope we see a few matches like that in Germany.

[Broncofan-13]

uhh, In soccer, you kick the ball... :D
I have no Idea how the WC works in terms of eliminations, how many brackets there are, etc.

I do know that my friend will be going to some of the games, and seeing as how Ive never been to a soccer game before, Im gonna see about joining up with him.

[Jaws]

uhh, In soccer, you kick the ball... :D
I have no Idea how the WC works in terms of eliminations, how many brackets there are, etc.

I do know that my friend will be going to some of the games, and seeing as how Ive never been to a soccer game before, Im gonna see about joining up with him.

NOthing like going to a live game to get into a sport. It's much more exciting than watching on tv.

[Broncofan-13]

I know, Ive participated In live games, too. Nothing like having 2,000 screaming people in the stands as you go for the game winning drive.... man It was great..

[Den21-Bal19]

6 months to go....

152 Days, 18 hours, 28 minutes, if you want to be precise :D

[Jaws]

152 Days, 18 hours, 28 minutes, if you want to be precise :D

Four years six months to go for Wales. Where's the 2010 World CUp being held?

[Den21-Bal19]

Four years six months to go for Wales. Where's the 2010 World CUp being held?

South Africa.............other than Bellamy, Earnshaw & Gabbidon what other young players are coming through the Welsh setup?

[Jaws]

South Africa.............other than Bellamy, Earnshaw & Gabbidon what other young players are coming through the Welsh setup?

Umm..... :confused: No real potential starlets at the moment I'm afraid although the under 21s have been doing better. Time will tell if any of them can step up at senior level. If we are going to succeed at all it's going to have to be a complete team effort because it doesn't appear as it there are any Giggsy's or Bellamy's coming through at the moment.

[The Big Dane]

I loved the comment of teh Ukrainian coach after the draw, "Our qualification group was 10 times as hard as the group we play in the finals, so i expect to get through".

Ukraine beat out reigning European champions Greece, reigning bronze medalists from WC02 and Denmark, as for what the Danish side is capable of, ask the English :D .

Anyways, for favs, I'd have to say Brazil, Ronaldinho is about as dominant a soccer player as you can get, and the supporting cast of Adriano, Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldo ain't too bad either. That team would be a contender with me in defense.

Wouldn't be surprised to see my neighbours from Sweden doing well either, Ljungberg, Larsson and Ibrahimovic (even though he's an idiot) are world class players and the defense is ever solid.

[Den21-Bal19]

I loved the comment of teh Ukrainian coach after the draw, "Our qualification group was 10 times as hard as the group we play in the finals, so i expect to get through".

Ukraine beat out reigning European champions Greece, reigning bronze medalists from WC02 and Denmark, as for what the Danish side is capable of, ask the English .

Anyways, for favs, I'd have to say Brazil, Ronaldinho is about as dominant a soccer player as you can get, and the supporting cast of Adriano, Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldo ain't too bad either. That team would be a contender with me in defense.

Wouldn't be surprised to see my neighbours from Sweden doing well either, Ljungberg, Larsson and Ibrahimovic (even though he's an idiot) are world class players and the defense is ever solid.

Hey Dane, good to see another new face around here :beer:

I think the Ukrainian coach is right, that's just a toss up between them and Spain as to who wins the group, Tunisia & Saudi won't cause them much trouble.

Harumph :mad:

The biggest problem Brazil have got is history, they were the last non-European team to win the WC Cup in Europe, back in '58 I think. Of course European sides don't fare to well away from home either. The biggest change over the years though, is the number of South American's that ply their trade in Europe, it's no longer the hinderance to them that it once was.

There's no realistic way that Sweden fail to go through, the only question being if they go through in first of second, what am I saying, they can only qualify as runner's up in the group :D

BTW, mate, there's a relatively lively Champions League thread running on here, if you're interested:

Champions League (http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=17499&highlight=Champions+League)

A good mix of Americans & Liverpool fans, sorry Europeans, on there.

[frenchfan]

I loved the comment of teh Ukrainian coach after the draw, "Our qualification group was 10 times as hard as the group we play in the finals, so i expect to get through".

Ukraine beat out reigning European champions Greece, reigning bronze medalists from WC02 and Denmark, as for what the Danish side is capable of, ask the English

Anyways, for favs, I'd have to say Brazil, Ronaldinho is about as dominant a soccer player as you can get, and the supporting cast of Adriano, Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldo ain't too bad either. That team would be a contender with me in defense.

Wouldn't be surprised to see my neighbours from Sweden doing well either, Ljungberg, Larsson and Ibrahimovic (even though he's an idiot) are world class players and the defense is ever solid.Hey !!! Welcome Big Dane... Nice to see new soccer's fans here !

I agree with you about Ukraine... It's a good balanced team with a great forward (Schevchenko). About Sweden ? I don't know too much about them... My concern is about my team (France... if you didn't guess :D LOL)... We can be a great team with so much great players we have... But we are not ? Why ? I don't know... There is something missing in our game... We'll see how we will do in 6 months !

Brazil is an awesome team with so much great players (there are some playing in our championship... ask Lyon : Cris, Juninho, Caçapa, Fred)... Ronaldinho is the best current player (with Zidane ... when he's in good shape)... But my question about them is : what will be their shape ? Good players mean they play in great teams... So they make many many games... Will they be fresh enough ?

The biggest problem Brazil have got is history, they were the last non-European team to win the WC Cup in Europe, back in '58 I think. Of course European sides don't fare to well away from home either. The biggest change over the years though, is the number of South American's that ply their trade in Europe, it's no longer the hinderance to them that it once was.

BTW, mate, there's a relatively lively Champions League thread running on here, if you're interested:

Champions League (http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=17499&highlight=Champions+League)

A good mix of Americans & Liverpool fans, sorry Europeans, on there.Yeah Den... history may can be a problem for Brazil, but they are still fav... (but we can still beat them like we did at the Stade de France ! :eek: LOL)...

Yeah... The CL thread is great... Sometimes it turns to be a Liverpool's thread... But nevermind, I like the Reds... Though I think Lyon is a better team... LOL.

Den : "A good mix of Americans & Liverpool fans, sorry Europeans, on there"... Yeah... I'm the only Frenchie there... But there is something nice... Even I'm lost among my Brits and US friends in that thread (and many other ones), I know I'll never walk alone !!! :cheers:

[Den21-Bal19]

Den : "A good mix of Americans & Liverpool fans, sorry Europeans, on there"... Yeah... I'm the only Frenchie there... But there is something nice... Even I'm lost among my Brits and US friends in that thread (and many other ones), I know I'll never walk alone !!! :cheers:

Mornin' Frenchie :D !

I'll be back in a bit, I'm just on my way to work :mad:

YNWA

[Den21-Bal19]

Den : "A good mix of Americans & Liverpool fans, sorry Europeans, on there"... Yeah... I'm the only Frenchie there... But there is something nice... Even I'm lost among my Brits and US friends in that thread (and many other ones), I know I'll never walk alone !!! :cheers:

Mornin' Frenchie :D !

I'll be back in a bit, I'm just on my way to work :mad:

YNWA

[The Big Dane]

I think France's problem is that their locked in a generation gap, dunno too much about the young players coming through, but it's obvious that players like Zidane, Makelele and maybe even Thuram is in the team more through rep than curent ability. But no national coach dares to banch them. Same with Lizarazu playing last Euro.

I'm not too fond of CL, seems sort of ridiculous that only a quarter of the teams playing in the champions' league are actually champions. Plus I don't really support any major clubs, Lyon do seem to have a side to watch this year though.

My team plays in the 1st division (second highest league here), so we are probably a few years removed from CL :D

How do you like Kahlenberg in the French First League? Such an exciting player.

[Den21-Bal19]

How do you like Kahlenberg in the French First League? Such an exciting player.

What can you tell me about Brondby's Daniel Agger? Press in the UK are linking him with a move to Liverpool, although things have gone quiet as he' son some under-21s thing at the moment.

Our 'Big' Dane (in all senses of the word) is still one of my all time favourite players. I speak, of course, of Jan Molby. Dude could put the ball on a sixpence from 50+ yards, and when he hit the ball, damn it stayed hit :D

And you know what, he can still do it. I've seen him a few times over the last few years in various 'Legends' games & last year's Tsunami Benefit at Anfield. Ok, he moves even less than he used to, but he's still got his touch and that sweeeeeeeet left foot

[Sevenis7]

Hey !!! Welcome Big Dane... Nice to see new soccer's fans here !

Yes, welcome Big Dane. I hope you find these soccer threads entertaining. Don't tell anyone, but sometimes I go to these threads even before I check on our Denver Broncos.... sshhh.

Brazil is an awesome team with so much great players (there are some playing in our championship... ask Lyon : Cris, Juninho, Caçapa, Fred)... Ronaldinho is the best current player (with Zidane ... when he's in good shape)... But my question about them is : what will be their shape ? Good players mean they play in great teams... So they make many many games... Will they be fresh enough ?

The problem w/Brazil is that they rely too much on individual brilliance rather than collective teamwork. They are fortunate to have such incredible players where they can get away with this, but I just feel their luck is going to run out at this WC. Besides, I think it's time for a new champion. I'm a little sick of seeing them always on the pedestal holding the trophy. Viva, Argentina!

[njiadj]

So..
my favorites for the WC:

1.- Brazil: Great individual players (Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo, Adriano,etc)

2.- Argentina: They are in the toughest group, but if they get through they'll become really dangerous, not so many superstars in their team but a bunch of good players

3.- England: A great team also: i guess it will be neville, ferdinand, terry, ashleycole, lampard, gerrard, joe cole, beckham, rooney and owen. Lots of outstanding players there

4.- Germany: Just because they'll play at home, good team they have but their defense seems to be a little weak.

It seems that there won't be a new WC winner.... well maybe Holland :confused:
Thats my 2 cents :beer:

[The Big Dane]

hehe, England, we beat them 4-1 in August

[frenchfan]

I think France's problem is that their locked in a generation gap, dunno too much about the young players coming through, but it's obvious that players like Zidane, Makelele and maybe even Thuram is in the team more through rep than curent ability. But no national coach dares to banch them. Same with Lizarazu playing last Euro.

I'm not too fond of CL, seems sort of ridiculous that only a quarter of the teams playing in the champions' league are actually champions. Plus I don't really support any major clubs, Lyon do seem to have a side to watch this year though.

My team plays in the 1st division (second highest league here), so we are probably a few years removed from CL :D

How do you like Kahlenberg in the French First League? Such an exciting player.Well, it's true we rely on an old generation, but can we bench Zidane ? That's a big question... There is a lot of young good players in France... But they don't have enough experience and you're right, our coach don't let them play too much because of the old generation... I expect Domenech to test Franck Riberi... He's playing with Marseille and he's an awesome player (when he deals with his temper)... We also have Alou Diarra, from Lens... A viera's style player, but younger (he has a bad temper too though)...
But our real trouble is not the old generation... It's how we are playing.. NO link between the lines : Defenders don't come to help midfield & forwards... Midfields are locked in the middle of the field and forwards are alone and seem lost sometimes... I can't understand.. Only when Zidane is playing we're able to create something... This is not acceptable !
Why do we play Gallas on the left side :confused: ??? I think we'll be better with 5 midfields and 3 defenders in a 3-5-2 scheme... Just bring Diarra, Makelele & Viera to make a defensive midfield line, and then Zidane & Riberi.... And Henry/Trezeguet as forwards... I guess many teams would be surprised by this scheme and it would allow us to be more dangerous...

Thanks for the comment about Lyon... It's a great team... I hope they'll doing well in the CL...

Talking about Kahlenberg ? He's a very good player... He's playing with Auxerre and was named MVP of the last game against Monaco (and he scored an awesome goal !!!)... Nice to have him in the French First League... I hope we'll have more player like him...

BTW, did you hear that Vieiri (the italian forward) comes to Monaco ? He'll play with Di Viaio... Seems like Monaco want to play in the Calcio next year :D ... LOL

[frenchfan]

Yes, welcome Big Dane. I hope you find these soccer threads entertaining. Don't tell anyone, but sometimes I go to these threads even before I check on our Denver Broncos.... sshhh.

The problem w/Brazil is that they rely too much on individual brilliance rather than collective teamwork. They are fortunate to have such incredible players where they can get away with this, but I just feel their luck is going to run out at this WC. Besides, I think it's time for a new champion. I'm a little sick of seeing them always on the pedestal holding the trophy. Viva, Argentina!Yeah... Brazil is sometimes a collection of individual brilliance, but if they play together (like they were doing recently), it'll be tough to beat them...
Anyway, I would be glad to see another champion too... I would like to see France (of course), or England or Ukraine or Spain or USA... Not Germany/Italy/Holland/Argentina...

[NJBRONCOSFAN]

BTW, did you hear that Vieiri (the italian forward) comes to Monaco ? He'll play with Di Viaio... Seems like Monaco want to play in the Calcio next year :D ... LOL
I saw that! Well, Vieri was the fourth listed striker for Milan, so he wanted to go somewhere where he might have a chance to make a case for him to be placed on the World Cup team for germany!
I hope he does well there!

[frenchfan]

I saw that! Well, Vieri was the fourth listed striker for Milan, so he wanted to go somewhere where he might have a chance to make a case for him to be placed on the World Cup team for germany!
I hope he does well there!Yeah, Vieri took a smart decision by moving in the team where he can play... It's nice to see some great player like him coming to the French championship... I hope to see him playing soon and I hope he'll doing well too.

[Sevenis7]

I saw that! Well, Vieri was the fourth listed striker for Milan, so he wanted to go somewhere where he might have a chance to make a case for him to be placed on the World Cup team for germany!
I hope he does well there!

Good to see you around, NJ. So tell me about Italy's chances this summer....

[frenchfan]

Good to see you around, NJ. So tell me about Italy's chances this summer....Don't ask NJie that... He doens't know too much about soccer and he will say that Italy is that fav ! :laugh: (j/k).

Italy is always a serious WC contender... I mean, it's not easy to beat italian (about soccer :D ) though there are not as dominant as they were before...

I think Brazil, Holland & England are better... We can be better too, but I also think that something is missing in our team... Now Italy is among the favorites for the WC for sure... Just my opinion... May be Den with all his soccer's knowledge can tell us more ?

[Den21-Bal19]

Big news from the English camp tonight, manager Sven Goran Ericsson will step down after the World Cup.

Eriksson to quit after World Cup (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4641682.stm)

The England manager was caught in a 'sting' by one of the national tabloids, and said some .........inapproriate things to an undercover reporter.

Still it's hard to feel any sympathy for the guy when he's going to recieve a payoff rumoured to be in the region of £6mil !!!!!!!

He has been, on paper, England's most succesful manager since Sir Alf Ramsey, whose side won the World Cup in '66, but at times what is considered to be the best England side since then seem to lack passion and direction.

[Jaws]

Big news from the English camp tonight, manager Sven Goran Ericsson will step down after the World Cup.

Eriksson to quit after World Cup (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4641682.stm)

The England manager was caught in a 'sting' by one of the national tabloids, and said some .........inapproriate things to an undercover reporter.

Still it's hard to feel any sympathy for the guy when he's going to recieve a payoff rumoured to be in the region of £6mil !!!!!!!

He has been, on paper, England's most succesful manager since Sir Alf Ramsey, whose side won the World Cup in '66, but at times what is considered to be the best England side since then seem to lack passion and direction.

Do you think the fuss surrounding this could have some effect on the England team's performance?

Will you be glad to see the back of him?

[Den21-Bal19]

Do you think the fuss surrounding this could have some effect on the England team's performance?

Will you be glad to see the back of him?

I'm not sure, on either count, to be honest.

The last two England Managers that this happened to, Sir Bobert of Robson & Terry 'Wide Boy' Venables both produced the best England performances since '66, reaching the semis of Italia 90 & Euro 96 respectively. Maybe a sort of 'Win One For The Gipper' mentality, so how much effect it will have on the team I'm not sure.

And as for seeing the back of him, agian I'm not sure. As I indicated before, this is the most talented group of English players in a long time, and at times they seem to lack direction and purpose, see the Northern Ireland game as an example. But when Sven puts it all together, like that glorious night in Munich, they truly look like potential World Champions.

The other problem is who to replace him with. There's no English manager currently plying his trade at the top of the domestic game, and to be honest, I'm not particuarly a fan of any of the options that I've heard tonight.............

Steve McClaren - FFS NO. He's part of the current setup, so if there are any problems in the camp then they'll carry over.

Sam Allardyce - He's done a fantastic job with Bolton, there's no doubt, but the thought of him constantly harping on about officials and his style of football :ugh:

Alan Curbishley - No experience of european football, although I like the guy.

Stuart Pearce - I love the guy, and if Ericsson had gone at the end of his contract (after the Euros) then he would have probably been the best choice with the extra experience.

Paul Jewel - Fantastic job with Wigan this year, but lacking in top flight experience.

Martin O'Neal - Probably the best choice IMO. He's got some personal issues that led to him resigning from Celtic, but a 'part-time' role might suit him

The problem is that until the big 3 clubs (and Chelsea :D ) take a chance on an English manager, then they are going to be sorely lacking in top level experience

[Sevenis7]

Even though they fielded a lot of MLS players who are on the WC squad bubble, USA looked pretty good. Taylor Twellman scored two goals in first 17 minutes and Clint Dempsey (who has looked sharp in midfield) hit a rocket off the crossbar. Only was able to see 1st half (I've got a birthday party to go to), but US looked solid in attack, opening up field with wide play and some good crosses over the middle. Norway's left fullback has looked pretty weak,a s most of the dangerous runs have been on his side...

[Den21-Bal19]

Norway's left fullback has looked pretty weak,a s most of the dangerous runs have been on his side...

Norway's regular leftback's been playing over here today...................

John Arne Riise scored Liverpool's second in their 2-1 FA Cup win over Portsmouth with a sweetly taken 20 yard left footed shot.

[Den21-Bal19]

Tonight was the last official set of International Friendlies before the World Cup Squads are announced, penciled in at the moment for the 15th May. The results that are of interest to those of us that are here, forgive me if I miss any -

England 2-1 Uruguay

Only game I actually saw tonight, late strikes from Liverpool's Peter Crouch and Chelsea's Joe Cole winning the game after a stunning 30 yard volley from Omar Pouso. Poor game though.

Republic of Ireland 3-0 Sweden

Former Liverpool and Villa star Steve Staunton's reign as Irish manager got off to a good start as the Republic thumped England's World Cup group opponents at Lansdowne Road. Damien Duff, new skipper Robbie Keane and Liam Miller scored for the Irish.

Wales 0-0 Paraguay

Former Liverpool (spotting a link here yet :goofy: ) keeper Paul Jones made a string of fine saves to deny Paraguay.

USA 1-0 Poland

Clint Demmspey scored the US's goal in this friendly palyed in Kaiserslautern, Germany

Russia 0-1 Brazil

Ronaldo with the winner.

Italy 4-1 Germany

Alberto Gilardino started the scoring with Luca Toni, Daniele de Rossi and Alessandro del Piero scoring the others before a late Robert Huth half-volley flattered the visitors in the final stages.

France 1-2 Slovakia

France dominated possession but were unable to convert before Szilard Nemeth scored after the hour. Sylvain Wiltord pulled one back with a penalty but a Josef Valachovic free-kick won it for the visitors.

Croatia 3-2 Argentina

3 goals were scored in the first sixminutes, with Ivan Klasnic making the most of a defensive balls-up to fire Croatia in front, before goals from Carlos Tevez & Barca's Lionel Messi put Argentina 1-2 up, after six minutes. Darijo Srna equalised in the second half, before defender Dario Simic head home an injury time winner.

[Jaws]

Good win for the U.S. Nice to see the Germans get hammered.

Nice to see Crouchy score - should help towards getting him selected for Germany.

Pleased with the draw for Wales - we had a 17 year old centre back Lewin Nyatanga make his debut for Wales tonight. He won the man-of-the-match award. If the kid continues like this I'll be on the phone to Rafa to make sure he signs him for Liverpool :D

On the evidence of tonight's games, England's group doesn't look to be too hard. A lot can change of course and these are only friendlies after all.

P.S - I like the way you manage to find Liverpool links for just about anything :D

[Den21-Bal19]

Nice to see Crouchy score - should help towards getting him selected for Germany.

I think England's strikers were going to be, before tonight, Owen (if fit), Rooney, Crouch and A.N. Other anyways, it's just the identity of the 4th striker that's a bit of a mystery............

On the evidence of tonight's games, England's group doesn't look to be too hard. A lot can change of course and these are only friendlies after all.

Good job, 'cause England's performance tonigh was nothing special. Please., please, PLEASE start Carra or King in place of Ferdinand, he's a liability!

P.S - I like the way you manage to find Liverpool links for just about anything :D

It's a natural talent :D

[bronc_fan23]

Jeeze, what the hell happend to the German team over the past 4 years. Can anyone answer me that?

[Den21-Bal19]

Jeeze, what the hell happend to the German team over the past 4 years. Can anyone answer me that?

Damned if I know, they've not beaten one of the 'top' sides in the world since they beat England at Wembley in October 2000.

One point though, home nations invariably get a run of poor results prior to the World Cup, lack of competitive football.

[Sevenis7]

USA 1-0 Poland

Clint Demmspey scored the US's goal in this friendly palyed in Kaiserslautern, Germany

Unless the city of Kaiserlautern is thinking of seceding to Poland, I don't understand why two countries would play a friendly in another (third) country. I bet the turnout must have been incredible.

Russia 0-1 Brazil

Ronaldo with the winner.

But not without some controversy. Was it a hand ball? Local paper seems to believe so.

Croatia 3-2 Argentina

3 goals were scored in the first sixminutes, with Ivan Klasnic making the most of a defensive balls-up to fire Croatia in front, before goals from Carlos Tevez & Barca's Lionel Messi put Argentina 1-2 up, after six minutes. Darijo Srna equalised in the second half, before defender Dario Simic head home an injury time winner.

I've been hearing good things about this Messi kid. Should I believe the hype? Also, I found it a bit odd that the game was high scoring. I really believe Argentina struggles in the attacking third. All their goal scorers seem to be men who play back; not sure they have a legitimate out-and-out forward.

[Den21-Bal19]

Unless the city of Kaiserlautern is thinking of seceding to Poland, I don't understand why two countries would play a friendly in another (third) country. I bet the turnout must have been incredible.

I'm not exactly sure of the benefit of that one either.........unless it was the US's 'home' game. With them being mid week, it may have been decided that it wasn't beneficial to drag all the players from Europe to the US. I know we played an away game against Argentina in Switzerland, and Australia reguarly play their friendlies in England.


But not without some controversy. Was it a hand ball? Local paper seems to believe so.

I've not seen the goal to be honest, I just had a flick through last night's reports, and figured it was an interesting result.


I've been hearing good things about this Messi kid. Should I believe the hype? Also, I found it a bit odd that the game was high scoring. I really believe Argentina struggles in the attacking third. All their goal scorers seem to be men who play back; not sure they have a legitimate out-and-out forward.

Crespo. On his day, as we saw in Istanbul, the guy can be a monster. As for Messi, I only listened to the Chelsea game last week, but if Del Horno hadn't been sent off, he'd have been taken off suffering from twisted blood :D

Once again though, I must be the bearer of bad tidings, photographic evidence that Henry has signed a pre-contract agreement with Chelsea:

[Jaws]

Once again though, I must be the bearer of bad tidings, photographic evidence that Henry has signed a pre-contract agreement with Chelsea:
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YOu had me panicking there for a moment! :P

[Sevenis7]

Crespo. On his day, as we saw in Istanbul, the guy can be a monster. As for Messi, I only listened to the Chelsea game last week, but if Del Horno hadn't been sent off, he'd have been taken off suffering from twisted blood :D

I'm not a big fan of Crespo. He was supposed to be the successor to Batistuta, but never seems to step up in big games. Is he even playing for Chelsea? I thought he sat on the bench (which doesn't bode well for a "starter" for a national team). I think Argentina really needs to find someone else. The question is who?

Once again though, I must be the bearer of bad tidings, photographic evidence that Henry has signed a pre-contract agreement with Chelsea:

Good one! That's funny. CP to you.

[Sevenis7]

Only 3 months more to go!

[Den21-Bal19]

Only 3 months more to go!

Can't wait, should be fantastic.............

Besides, it's a good excuse for lots of :beer:

[Sevenis7]

Besides, it's a good excuse for lots of :beer:

Do you need an excuse?

[Den21-Bal19]

Do you need an excuse?

Nah, but it helps :D

[Sevenis7]

87 days and counting....

[Jaws]

England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson says he has not ruled out the possibility of using Steven Gerrard as a striker at the World Cup finals.

Gerrard may play in forward role (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/4990422.stm)

[Medford Bronco]

England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson says he has not ruled out the possibility of using Steven Gerrard as a striker at the World Cup finals.

Gerrard may play in forward role (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/4990422.stm)

I do not know much about the World Cup. But for you Jaws I will root for your favorite team and then of course Italy (my desendents) AC Milan and Juventes are excellent teams. That is what my buddy tells me :eek:

[Den21-Bal19]

I do not know much about the World Cup. But for you Jaws I will root for your favorite team and then of course Italy (my desendents) AC Milan and Juventes are excellent teams. That is what my buddy tells me :eek:

Jaws's side (Wales) haven't qualified for the World Cup, she'll just be hoing for Stevie G to have a good tournament for England and come home to Liverpool un-injured.

The US will have a tough time qualifying from their group and building on Japorea.

England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson says he has not ruled out the possibility of using Steven Gerrard as a striker at the World Cup finals.

As anyone that has watched any of Liverpool over the last couple of years knows that Stevie is at his best when he's allowed to rampage and maraud at will............the problem when he plays for England is that he and Lampard are clearly the two best English central mids, problem is that Lampard has only ever played well in a 5 man midfield, where he's absolved of any defensive responsibilities, so for England, as Stevie can tackle, he's shackled in front of the back four to allow Lampard can play.

Shame is, how many other players can take a game by the scruff of the neck and drag it to where HE wants it to go?

[Jaws]

Jaws's side (Wales) haven't qualified for the World Cup, she'll just be hoing for Stevie G to have a good tournament for England and come home to Liverpool un-injured.

The US will have a tough time qualifying from their group and building on Japorea.



As anyone that has watched any of Liverpool over the last couple of years knows that Stevie is at his best when he's allowed to rampage and maraud at will............the problem when he plays for England is that he and Lampard are clearly the two best English central mids, problem is that Lampard has only ever played well in a 5 man midfield, where he's absolved of any defensive responsibilities, so for England, as Stevie can tackle, he's shackled in front of the back four to allow Lampard can play.

Shame is, how many other players can take a game by the scruff of the neck and drag it to where HE wants it to go?

I'll be shouting for Stevie G, also the Spaniards as they have quite a few reds and Trinidad and Tobaggo too as they've got a Wrexham player in their squad.

Go Dennis Lawrence - stop those English from scoring lol ;)