we cant forget the reversed int.

[Beretta]

Despite the fact that things have worked out better than we could have hoped, Colts losing at home giving us a champioship game in Denver, somebody has got to answer for that reversed interception during the Steelers game.

Sure it all worked out in the end on a bad kick, but Pittsburgh could have finished the colts on that turnover, and just as easily lost when it was reversed.

No matter who won this weekend, or next weekend, or the superbowl, something stinky showed up today on a review that was only called for in desperation. Not even Tony Dungey thought he had a chance for a reversal, but low and behold he got one.

The official excuse, which made no sense, was that the ball came out before the last knee came off the ground. Since when is that a requirement.I have seen hundreds of receptions where the receiver never gets off the ground. The guy rolled three yards with complete control, kicked it loose himself on the way up to make a return, then recovered it.

I see it as a league attempt to push their team to a win, unfortunately they got caught. It is not just one of those bad calls, it is one that was reviewed, for an extended time, and reversed for an unkown nuance of rules.

This is no different then the referee at Big Time Wrestling being distracted while somebody hits the champ with a folding chair . Something stinks in the NFL

It doesnt matter if we are the NFL darlings next week or not,and get the favor of the refs, something stinks, we all saw it, but who is standing up and pointing it out. Not the Colts, they recieved the gift but still lost, they dont want to be unfavored. Not the Steelers, they eventually won, the only thing they have to gain is a fine.

Not us, we got what we wanted, home field. The Media pointed it out for a moment but when it became a non factor after the game it was dropped.

I say the NFL mistakenly showed its true face today, that games are attempted to be swayed, it obviously cant force outcomes, but it tries. Most of the times these bad calls are called"Human Error" but when you have to take extra time reviewing a play just to come up with "plausible deniability" they finally went to far.

Something stinks, are we all just going to ignore it? Is the NFL turning to the WWF?

I really have no reason to be upset, we are playing the game we wanted, where we wanted, but I cant just ignore the man behind the curtain. Gp

[ColRockies_5]

That is very true...I didn't see the play live because my sattelite signal was going in and out, but I was appalled when I saw the replay and realized the fact that they overturned it...

How can the refs sleep at night making that call??? He had the ball for a good 3-5 seconds. That has to be one of the worsts calls I've ever seen...I'm just glad it didn't cost the Steelers the game, because that would be a sh*tty way to lose

[Firstwave64]

If he never would of got up and tryed to run with it...they would of ruled it a INT

[ProjectDSM]

It's dissapointing to see a call like that. I just hope it's not some sort of intent to skew the outcome of a game. I've always looked at the NFL as being fair and honest and left the favoritism to the media.

[Ravage!!!]

I think post like this are ridiculous. Here is a person complaining about the NFL making BAD calls to try and get the Colts to the Super Bowl. Another conspiracy theory.

The irony is that we just came off a big win yesterday that consisted of a couple of calls that were considered "bad calls." So you are saying that because the Colts benefitted, they were trying to get the Colts INTO the playoffs, yet we are the team the NFL is trying to keep out (after all, thats all we hear from people here).

Get off the "NFL wants the COlts in the Bowl" crap. THEY DON'T!!! THey want TWO teams that have the BIGGEST markets to make it to the SUper BOwl. IF they had their Choice.. it would be the Giants against the JEts. If they had their pick, it would be the Falcons vs the Patriots.

Indianapolis has a SMALL market, and doesn't bring in the revenue that the BIG TV markets do. Don't be stupid! This is the DUMBEST thing I hear on this message board.

[MSteel]

I'm not sure if that proves a league bias, but it certainly proves that we have seriously incompetent officiating.

[PatrickdaDookie]

Say what you want, Ravage, but I agree completely with Beretta and am giving CP for this thread.

[den??]

Despite the fact that things have worked out better than we could have hoped, Colts losing at home giving us a champioship game in Denver, somebody has got to answer for that reversed interception during the Steelers game.

Sure it all worked out in the end on a bad kick, but Pittsburgh could have finished the colts on that turnover, and just as easily lost when it was reversed.

No matter who won this weekend, or next weekend, or the superbowl, something stinky showed up today on a review that was only called for in desperation. Not even Tony Dungey thought he had a chance for a reversal, but low and behold he got one.

The official excuse, which made no sense, was that the ball came out before the last knee came off the ground. Since when is that a requirement.I have seen hundreds of receptions where the receiver never gets off the ground. The guy rolled three yards with complete control, kicked it loose himself on the way up to make a return, then recovered it.

I see it as a league attempt to push their team to a win, unfortunately they got caught. It is not just one of those bad calls, it is one that was reviewed, for an extended time, and reversed for an unkown nuance of rules.

This is no different then the referee at Big Time Wrestling being distracted while somebody hits the champ with a folding chair . Something stinks in the NFL

It doesnt matter if we are the NFL darlings next week or not,and get the favor of the refs, something stinks, we all saw it, but who is standing up and pointing it out. Not the Colts, they recieved the gift but still lost, they dont want to be unfavored. Not the Steelers, they eventually won, the only thing they have to gain is a fine.

Not us, we got what we wanted, home field. The Media pointed it out for a moment but when it became a non factor after the game it was dropped.

I say the NFL mistakenly showed its true face today, that games are attempted to be swayed, it obviously cant force outcomes, but it tries. Most of the times these bad calls are called"Human Error" but when you have to take extra time reviewing a play just to come up with "plausible deniability" they finally went to far.

Something stinks, are we all just going to ignore it? Is the NFL turning to the WWF?

I really have no reason to be upset, we are playing the game we wanted, where we wanted, but I cant just ignore the man behind the curtain. Gp


As a KC fan i will always remember that game 2
it was so disappointing bc then i knew that DEN would have the AFC west CHampionship at home and would steal our lamar hunt trophy

[Plastique]

The refs ruled the way they did on that call according to how the rule is written. Obviously the rule needs to be fixed because that was obviously an interception. I wasn't happy when I saw it but I expect that the league will 'clarify' the way that rule will be enforced in the future.

Bottom line, horrible call but I don't think the refs had any choice given the way the rule is worded right now.

[Bronco D]

I will be tuning in to the NFl network channel on Wednesday, when the head guy of officiating explains how this interception got over turned. I want to hear how that wasnt a pick .

[Atwater His Ass]

They made the right call. The defender's right knee was still on the ground when his other knee knocked the ball out. Hence, he never technically completed the catch and dropped it while he was still technically on the ground. By the rules, the ref made the correct call, which is all you can ask for. If his right knee would have been off the ground when his left knee knocked the ball out, it would have been ruled an INT and a fumble that he recoverd.

I agree he clearly had possesion and it was a freak thing to have his knee knock the ball out like that with his other knee still on the ground, but that's the rule.

[tdnmecudawon3]

They made the right call. The defender's right knee was still on the ground when his other knee knocked the ball out. Hence, he never technically completed the catch and dropped it while he was still technically on the ground. By the rules, the ref made the correct call, which is all you can ask for. If his right knee would have been off the ground when his left knee knocked the ball out, it would have been ruled an INT and a fumble that he recoverd.

I agree he clearly had possesion and it was a freak thing to have his knee knock the ball out like that with his other knee still on the ground, but that's the rule.

Thank you. I was reading through all these posts waiting for someone to explain it a little or I was going to. Many fans don't know some of the more compex rules of the game and over react when something like this happens. I will elaborate a little more on what you said though, just to make it clear to anyone who might still have questions. When any offensive or defensive player goes to the ground to make a reception/interception they must maintain control of the ball the entire time untill they are declared down by contact or get back to there feet

[Bronco D]

Thank you. I was reading through all these posts waiting for someone to explain it a little or I was going to. Many fans don't know some of the more compex rules of the game and over react when something like this happens. I will elaborate a little more on what you said though, just to make it clear to anyone who might still have questions. When any offensive or defensive player goes to the ground to make a reception/interception they must maintain control of the ball the entire time untill they are declared down by contact or get back to there feet
Thanks for clarifying that, the get back with both feet part I didnt know about.. He would of been better off to stay on the ground til he was touched down by an Indy player.

[Thesameold333]

Thank you. I was reading through all these posts waiting for someone to explain it a little or I was going to. Many fans don't know some of the more compex rules of the game and over react when something like this happens. I will elaborate a little more on what you said though, just to make it clear to anyone who might still have questions. When any offensive or defensive player goes to the ground to make a reception/interception they must maintain control of the ball the entire time untill they are declared down by contact or get back to there feet

you are forgetting that he did a complete roll- over...before he got up and fumbled the ball..............the knee not being down is a non factor. he had the ball secured...rolled over...and then knocked the ball out of his hand with his knee as he attempted to get up. He had completion ACCORDING TO RULE.

As far as "the fix" goes..... who knows? It was a blatantly horrible call.......almost makes me wonder if the ref laid the points and put a couple grand on indy. That is not an unrealistic thought.


This call was so bad...that it made people forget about the "no foul" encroachment. Indys whle line jumps across, whistle blows and NOBODY gets a flag. SOMEBODY HAD TO GET A FLAG THERE...even if it was pittsburgh.

As far as we go... pass interference needs to be reviewable....it can give a team the gift fo 70 yards, and is a call that cant be afford to be mistaken....they were do for a bad call though,,,between the tuck rule, abd them being allowed by the league to mug recievers (except for the colts).. etc etc...theyve had more than their share of luck.

we did benefit from that bad int call last night......but you had to watch it on replay to see it was a bad call. ... we got lucky....but calls like that are more frequent and as i said should be reviewable, I was even yelling for the flag, untill it was thrown , and they showed it from the side view on replay..and then saw that Ashley could have been flagged if anything.... ultimately...it didnt affect the outcome of the game...........the call in indy almost did.

[SM19]

They made the right call. The defender's right knee was still on the ground when his other knee knocked the ball out. Hence, he never technically completed the catch and dropped it while he was still technically on the ground. By the rules, the ref made the correct call, which is all you can ask for. If his right knee would have been off the ground when his left knee knocked the ball out, it would have been ruled an INT and a fumble that he recoverd.

I agree he clearly had possesion and it was a freak thing to have his knee knock the ball out like that with his other knee still on the ground, but that's the rule.

Interesting. I knew there had to be something to it other than an attempt to get the Colts into the next round (I don't put much stock in conspiracy theories of either kind) and this would seem to confirm that.

[BigRussMooney]

Listen people, even if it's not a so called "Bad Call" like you oh so desperately defend it as, the bottom line is if you don't enforce a rule EVER then don't do it during the playoff game's. It's like when I was in the Army and you say "You can't show up late ever or you get in trouble". But then you let everyone in the Battery show up late for like 2 weeks THEN all of a sudden someone the chain of command does'nt like due to other reasons shows up late and they HAMMER him/her. Why did'nt you enforce this rule last week when it was your buddy showing up? Why did you wait till now where if you do call this rule out you look like an idiot due to the fact you never called it in the history of the game? It's that simple, rule or not, it was never an issue before today so don't make it one now just because you think its a good idea.

[SkyFlash1]

This call was so bad...that it made people forget about the "no foul" encroachment. Indys whle line jumps across, whistle blows and NOBODY gets a flag. SOMEBODY HAD TO GET A FLAG THERE...even if it was pittsburgh.

.


Absolutely, no do-overs in the NFL.

[sbutk]

That replay reversal was absoutely horrid. Here is an article containing the explanation for the reversal:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2005/01/15/bc.fbn.steelers.colts.ap/index.html?cnn=yes


So... does this mean that if Polamalu (or anyone else) INT's the ball cleanly, lies on the turf untouched for 5 minutes, and then kicks the ball loose... the INT doesn't count???

This ref is full of it.


:mad:

[sbutk]

The refs ruled the way they did on that call according to how the rule is written.


What exactly does that mean??? Lying on the ground after having caught the ball cleanly doesn't signify a complete pass [interception]?

Man, I gotta have me a look at this "alleged" rule book.



:huh:

[SteelYourFace]

I think post like this are ridiculous. Here is a person complaining about the NFL making BAD calls to try and get the Colts to the Super Bowl. Another conspiracy theory.

The irony is that we just came off a big win yesterday that consisted of a couple of calls that were considered "bad calls." So you are saying that because the Colts benefitted, they were trying to get the Colts INTO the playoffs, yet we are the team the NFL is trying to keep out (after all, thats all we hear from people here).

Get off the "NFL wants the COlts in the Bowl" crap. THEY DON'T!!! THey want TWO teams that have the BIGGEST markets to make it to the SUper BOwl. IF they had their Choice.. it would be the Giants against the JEts. If they had their pick, it would be the Falcons vs the Patriots.

Indianapolis has a SMALL market, and doesn't bring in the revenue that the BIG TV markets do. Don't be stupid! This is the DUMBEST thing I hear on this message board.

Ravage may not know this yet, but the SB is an international event. The overall appeal for the SB is nothing like, say MNF, or Sunday night regular season. Sure, those games get better ratings when "big markets" are involved. The market size of Indianapolis versus NY is not important to the appeal of the SB. IF the NFL "has a preference" who is playing the SB, they would hope for the sexiest storyline. Not the biggest home market, like the small minded Ravage!!! incorrectly assumes.

[Atwater His Ass]

you are forgetting that he did a complete roll- over...before he got up and fumbled the ball..............the knee not being down is a non factor. he had the ball secured...rolled over...and then knocked the ball out of his hand with his knee as he attempted to get up. He had completion ACCORDING TO RULE.


I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong here. The knee being on the ground is EVERYTHING in this particular call.

And, has been explained before, "ACCORDING TO THE RULE", he did not complete the catch since he dropped the ball while still technically on the ground.

I'm sorry this is too complicated for you to understand, but please stop spreading false information around and trying to buy it off as fact. Wether you agree with the rule or not is one thing, but the refs made the right call according to the rule book. These are 2 different issues.

[Atwater His Ass]

So... does this mean that if Polamalu (or anyone else) INT's the ball cleanly, lies on the turf untouched for 5 minutes, and then kicks the ball loose... the INT doesn't count???

This ref is full of it.


:mad:

As a matter of fact, yes. If a Colt would have touched him while he was getting up, the INT would have stood, since he would have been down by contact before the other knee knocked the ball out. It's not that hard of a concept to understand.

[sbutk]

As a matter of fact, yes. If a Colt would have touched him while he was getting up, the INT would have stood, since he would have been down by contact before the other knee knocked the ball out. It's not that hard of a concept to understand.



Well, I have no further argument, and I'm not going to resort to name-calling

...Until I see some direct evidence that supports your interpetation, I'll simply state that I don't belive you.

:coffee:

[BroncosFanInNJ]

Say what you want, Ravage, but I agree completely with Beretta and am giving CP for this thread.

I'll second that...it was a bull$hit call and everyone knows it...the DB did a complete roll on the ground which would make one knee being down insignificant...the NFL really needs to get it together...this isn't the only bad call made in that game. Don't forget the pass interference that wasn't called on Randel El, don't for get the safety that wasn't call when Payton's leg went down on the goal line, and don't forget the "No call" moment. I don't care if it was a false start, or offsides, there has to be a call. Plain and simple, the refs skewed their calls towards the Colts...deny it all you want...

[sbutk]

Alright, everybody who supported overturning the INT... read it and weep.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5252682


You're W-R-O-N-G.





:jawdrop:

[steelers11]

Alright, everybody who supported overturning the INT... read it and weep.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5252682


You're W-R-O-N-G.





:jawdrop:

and from ESPN .. the leader in Sports:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309

NFL says it was an INT!

[dbjeff]

I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong here. The knee being on the ground is EVERYTHING in this particular call.

And, has been explained before, "ACCORDING TO THE RULE", he did not complete the catch since he dropped the ball while still technically on the ground.

I'm sorry this is too complicated for you to understand, but please stop spreading false information around and trying to buy it off as fact. Wether you agree with the rule or not is one thing, but the refs made the right call according to the rule book. These are 2 different issues.

It's a good thing you know more than Mike Pereira. Maybe you should petition to take his job?

[JoRo]

I think post like this are ridiculous. Here is a person complaining about the NFL making BAD calls to try and get the Colts to the Super Bowl. Another conspiracy theory.

The irony is that we just came off a big win yesterday that consisted of a couple of calls that were considered "bad calls." So you are saying that because the Colts benefitted, they were trying to get the Colts INTO the playoffs, yet we are the team the NFL is trying to keep out (after all, thats all we hear from people here).

Get off the "NFL wants the COlts in the Bowl" crap. THEY DON'T!!! THey want TWO teams that have the BIGGEST markets to make it to the SUper BOwl. IF they had their Choice.. it would be the Giants against the JEts. If they had their pick, it would be the Falcons vs the Patriots.

Indianapolis has a SMALL market, and doesn't bring in the revenue that the BIG TV markets do. Don't be stupid! This is the DUMBEST thing I hear on this message board.


Name the COUPLE calls. Pass interference is the only questionable call I know of, and honestly, that call could have gone either way, if you watched it in full motion, Lelie was tripped up at the end, and not cuz he tripped himself.

I honestly belive there has been something going on in the Nfl for some time to help teams like this, not huge news, but I think their should be fair play.

[Beretta]

I agree, my first post is a conspiracy theory.

But please understand the theory, this wasnt a bad call. The pass interference on the pats with Lelie was a bad call, The no call on the offsides on 4th and 1 was a bad call.

This one was called correctly on the field, it was a good call.

The conspiracy comes in via a set of headphones, the ref isnt listening and singing along to the Beatles on that head set, he's talking to a ref or refs in a booth upstairs. You know the guys that can call for a review in the last two minutes, the guys with the rule books and tv monitors.

A group of people had to work together to come up with a way to reverse the play, it wasnt just the guy on the field who dreamt this up, he had friends. The NFL admits the reversal was wrong but they dont mention why the guys in the booth got it wrong too.

People had to go out of their way to reverse the call, that is the conspiracy. gp

[Thesameold333]

I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong here. The knee being on the ground is EVERYTHING in this particular call.

And, has been explained before, "ACCORDING TO THE RULE", he did not complete the catch since he dropped the ball while still technically on the ground.

I'm sorry this is too complicated for you to understand, but please stop spreading false information around and trying to buy it off as fact. Wether you agree with the rule or not is one thing, but the refs made the right call according to the rule book. These are 2 different issues.

Well you were quick to jump, and you my friend ARE WRONG, its ok though...we are not all perfect and we are both Broncos fans...so dont worry, no need to eat the crow.

[SteelManiac55]

As a matter of fact, yes. If a Colt would have touched him while he was getting up, the INT would have stood, since he would have been down by contact before the other knee knocked the ball out. It's not that hard of a concept to understand.

Don't youuuuuuuuu feel like a bit of jerk..

[JoRo]

I feel like hes a bit of a jerk

[sbutk]

I feel like hes a bit of a jerk


Only a bit?


:goofy:

[DaBroncs]

Absolutely, no do-overs in the NFL.

but yet that is what Indy got....

[DaBroncs]

I'll second that...it was a bull$hit call and everyone knows it...the DB did a complete roll on the ground which would make one knee being down insignificant...the NFL really needs to get it together...this isn't the only bad call made in that game. Don't forget the pass interference that wasn't called on Randel El, don't for get the safety that wasn't call when Payton's leg went down on the goal line, and don't forget the "No call" moment. I don't care if it was a false start, or offsides, there has to be a call. Plain and simple, the refs skewed their calls towards the Colts...deny it all you want...

ya, I forgot about the safety that wasn't called....

[sbutk]

ya, I forgot about the safety that wasn't called....


Actually they replayed that goal line tackle several times - from different angles - and pointed out why it wasn't a safety. It was pretty clear to me that Peytato Head never crossed the goal line, so I'm not so sure what you're complaining about. There were certainly bad calls in that game, but this non-safety wasn't one of them.


:coffee: