Steeler Fans' Talking Points (and why they mean nothing)

[SunDevil_Jake]

OK, we've all heard them...feel free to add some more:

1. "Nobody wants to play the Steelers right now...they're on a hot streak...they won the last 4 games of the regular season." (Denver, too, won their last 4 regular season games - 2 at home and 2 on the road, just like Pittsburgh. And let's not forget...Pittsburgh HAD to win just to make the playoffs, while Denver pretty much had their spot secured by this time)

2. "Look what the Steelers did in the playoffs so far." (They played a Cincinnati team that lost its starting Pro-Bowl quarterback on his first pass attempt, yet they still trailed until into the 3rd quarter. They came within a fluke missed field goal of going into overtime in Indy, after completely losing all momentum to the Colts)

3. "The Steelers will get to Jake Plummer just like they did on Peyton Manning." (The Broncos allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in the league this year, namely because Plummer is the antithesis of Manning - he has mobility - and is at his best outside the pocket)

4. "Jake Plummer is the same old QB he was in Phoenix." (60% completion percentage, 3366 passing yards + 151 more rushing, 18 TDs + 2 rushing, only 7 INTs...with a superior team and coaches around him, Jake just needs to keep the machine running and has won several games on his own when needed)

5. "Pittsburgh plays the dreaded 3-4 defense." (Yeah, so do New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Houston and Oakland...against whom, the Broncos are a combined 8 and 0 this year - yes, thats 8 wins and 0 losses)

BLAH BLAH BLAH...come on, you all know the rest:

"Steelers run defense will shut down Denver." (the rushing offense nobody in the league could shut down)
"Steelers play better on the road anyway." (as if they had a choice...and even if they did, you think they'd chose to play in Denver? Unlikely)
"Steeler Revenge Tour." (when you lose a lot, you have a lot to avenge I guess)
"Indy allowed the fewest sacks and the Steelers got 5 against them." (see #3 above)
"Denver didn't win, the Patriots lost." (we've gone over this one ad nauseum)
"Denver's defense is weak vs the pass." (yeah, just ask Tom Brady)

Am I missing any more?

[tnedator]

OK, we've all heard them...feel free to add some more:

5. "Pittsburgh plays the dreaded 3-4 defense." (Yeah, so do New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Houston and Oakland...against whom, the Broncos are a combined 8 and 0 this year - yes, thats 8 wins and 0 losses)


At least 9-0, since Dallas also plays the 3-4.

[Hampton_eatsQB]

OK, we've all heard them...feel free to add some more:

1. "Nobody wants to play the Steelers right now...they're on a hot streak...they won the last 4 games of the regular season." (Denver, too, won their last 4 regular season games - 2 at home and 2 on the road, just like Pittsburgh. And let's not forget...Pittsburgh HAD to win just to make the playoffs, while Denver pretty much had their spot secured by this time)

2. "Look what the Steelers did in the playoffs so far." (They played a Cincinnati team that lost its starting Pro-Bowl quarterback on his first pass attempt, yet they still trailed until into the 3rd quarter. They came within a fluke missed field goal of going into overtime in Indy, after completely losing all momentum to the Colts)

3. "The Steelers will get to Jake Plummer just like they did on Peyton Manning." (The Broncos have allowed the fewest sacks in the league this year, namely because Plummer is the antithesis of Manning - he has mobility - and is at his best outside the pocket)

4. "Jake Plummer is the same old QB he was in Phoenix." (60% completion percentage, 3366 passing yards + 151 more rushing, 18 TDs + 2 rushing, only 7 INTs...with a superior team and coaches around him, Jake just needs to keep the machine running and has won several games on his own when needed)

5. "Pittsburgh plays the dreaded 3-4 defense." (Yeah, so do New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Houston and Oakland...against whom, the Broncos are a combined 8 and 0 this year - yes, thats 8 wins and 0 losses)

BLAH BLAH BLAH...come on, you all know the rest:

"Steelers run defense will shut down Denver." (the rushing offense nobody in the league could shut down)
"Steelers play better on the road anyway." (as if they had a choice...and even if they did, you think they'd chose to play in Denver? Unlikely)
"Steeler Revenge Tour." (when you lose a lot, you have a lot to avenge I guess)
"Denver didn't win, the Patriots lost." (we've gone over this one ad nauseum)
"Denver's defense is weak vs the pass." (yeah, just ask Tom Brady)

Am I missing any more?


One thing you were wrong on. The Colts actually allowed the fewest sacks in the league this season. Then we got Manning 5 times. Just an FYI

[tnedator]

One thing you were wrong on. The Colts actually allowed the fewest sacks in the league this season. Then we got Manning 5 times. Just an FYI

That's only because prior to SD beating them, nobody thought it was possible to beat Manning by blitzing and risking one on one coverage. SD showed that if you could put pressure on him he would get happy feet and short arm his throws to avoid the hit.

[BroncoFanCanada]

OK, we've all heard them...feel free to add some more:

1. "Nobody wants to play the Steelers right now...they're on a hot streak...they won the last 4 games of the regular season." (Denver, too, won their last 4 regular season games - 2 at home and 2 on the road, just like Pittsburgh. And let's not forget...Pittsburgh HAD to win just to make the playoffs, while Denver pretty much had their spot secured by this time)

2. "Look what the Steelers did in the playoffs so far." (They played a Cincinnati team that lost its starting Pro-Bowl quarterback on his first pass attempt, yet they still trailed until into the 3rd quarter. They came within a fluke missed field goal of going into overtime in Indy, after completely losing all momentum to the Colts)

3. "The Steelers will get to Jake Plummer just like they did on Peyton Manning." (The Broncos allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in the league this year, namely because Plummer is the antithesis of Manning - he has mobility - and is at his best outside the pocket)

4. "Jake Plummer is the same old QB he was in Phoenix." (60% completion percentage, 3366 passing yards + 151 more rushing, 18 TDs + 2 rushing, only 7 INTs...with a superior team and coaches around him, Jake just needs to keep the machine running and has won several games on his own when needed)

5. "Pittsburgh plays the dreaded 3-4 defense." (Yeah, so do New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Houston and Oakland...against whom, the Broncos are a combined 8 and 0 this year - yes, thats 8 wins and 0 losses)

BLAH BLAH BLAH...come on, you all know the rest:

"Steelers run defense will shut down Denver." (the rushing offense nobody in the league could shut down)
"Steelers play better on the road anyway." (as if they had a choice...and even if they did, you think they'd chose to play in Denver? Unlikely)
"Steeler Revenge Tour." (when you lose a lot, you have a lot to avenge I guess)
"Indy allowed the fewest sacks and the Steelers got 5 against them." (see #3 above)
"Denver didn't win, the Patriots lost." (we've gone over this one ad nauseum)
"Denver's defense is weak vs the pass." (yeah, just ask Tom Brady)

Am I missing any more?

Good post. I'd agree with much of that. Only thing is: New England shut down the Denver run (for most of the playoff game) but had to allow Jake time and space to make passes to do it.

[Archimedes Owl]

"Denver's defense is weak vs the pass."

Denver has faced more pass attempts than any team in the league this year. This has been because Denver has gained large leads early against a lot of teams that have had to pass to come back. They've been thrown on 30 times more than any other team and 100 times more than the average team.

However, Denver ranks 3rd in the league in lowest completion percentage allowed and fourth in the league in lowest yards per attempt allowed. Combine that with being ranked sixth in interceptions and it is clear that Denver has a superb passing defense.

The Steelers also have a good passing defense. The Steelers are ranked 8th, 5th and 19th in all of the similar categories. In other words, other than the number of sacks, Denver's pass defense is superior in every way to that of the Steelers.

Denver has shut down tight ends like Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey, and Ben Watson for the most part this year, so don't expect your tight end to be a wild-card. And Denver has the best cornerback in the league in Champ Bailey along with two rookies that have proven that they can cover excellent wide recievers even when Champ Bailey was injured for a good portion of this year.

[SkyFlash1]

OK, we've all heard them...feel free to add some more:

1. "Nobody wants to play the Steelers right now...they're on a hot streak...they won the last 4 games of the regular season." (Denver, too, won their last 4 regular season games - 2 at home and 2 on the road, just like Pittsburgh. And let's not forget...Pittsburgh HAD to win just to make the playoffs, while Denver pretty much had their spot secured by this time)

2. "Look what the Steelers did in the playoffs so far." (They played a Cincinnati team that lost its starting Pro-Bowl quarterback on his first pass attempt, yet they still trailed until into the 3rd quarter. They came within a fluke missed field goal of going into overtime in Indy, after completely losing all momentum to the Colts)

3. "The Steelers will get to Jake Plummer just like they did on Peyton Manning." (The Broncos allowed the 2nd fewest sacks in the league this year, namely because Plummer is the antithesis of Manning - he has mobility - and is at his best outside the pocket)

4. "Jake Plummer is the same old QB he was in Phoenix." (60% completion percentage, 3366 passing yards + 151 more rushing, 18 TDs + 2 rushing, only 7 INTs...with a superior team and coaches around him, Jake just needs to keep the machine running and has won several games on his own when needed)

5. "Pittsburgh plays the dreaded 3-4 defense." (Yeah, so do New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Houston and Oakland...against whom, the Broncos are a combined 8 and 0 this year - yes, thats 8 wins and 0 losses)

BLAH BLAH BLAH...come on, you all know the rest:

"Steelers run defense will shut down Denver." (the rushing offense nobody in the league could shut down)
"Steelers play better on the road anyway." (as if they had a choice...and even if they did, you think they'd chose to play in Denver? Unlikely)
"Steeler Revenge Tour." (when you lose a lot, you have a lot to avenge I guess)
"Indy allowed the fewest sacks and the Steelers got 5 against them." (see #3 above)
"Denver didn't win, the Patriots lost." (we've gone over this one ad nauseum)
"Denver's defense is weak vs the pass." (yeah, just ask Tom Brady)

Am I missing any more?


CP to you!!

[SteelTippin']

Ok I'll just validate your ego now and say Congratulations, your attempt at logic is vastly superior to any logic that any Steeler fan has. Let's not even talk about the game anymore, b/c it's obvious that only points that support a Bronco victory are valid. :beer:

Congratulations on winning the AFCCG.

[SteelManiac55]

Guess what? I could come up with just as many convincing points for the Steelers. The thing is though, well, they mean nothing. We aren't playing the game. The players are, and only they will decide it.

Your post convinced me on absolutley nothing. Sorry. I respect Denver fans, but overconfident little trolls like you are just useless.

[tnedator]

Guess what? I could come up with just as many convincing points for the Steelers. The thing is though, well, they mean nothing. We aren't playing the game. The players are, and only they will decide it.

Your post convinced me on absolutley nothing. Sorry. I respect Denver fans, but overconfident little trolls like you are just useless.

Obviously you haven't been reading the trash that the Steeler fans are posting on this forum today, or you wouldn't thow around the 'overconfident little trolls' line so quickly.

[Archimedes Owl]

Guess what? I could come up with just as many convincing points for the Steelers. The thing is though, well, they mean nothing. We aren't playing the game. The players are, and only they will decide it.

Your post convinced me on absolutley nothing. Sorry. I respect Denver fans, but overconfident little trolls like you are just useless.
He's just rebuking some of the most popular reasons that Steelers fans have to believe that their team is better.

If you can come up with some of your own reasons for believing that the Steelers will win, feel free to do so.

I mean, you can point out that on occasions when the Steelers do pass the ball, they lead the league in yards per attempt and yards per completion. They have a very good big play offense. It excells at picking teams apart that concentrate on nothing but the Steeler's running game.

Still, by statistical analysis, it is clear to me that Denver has an edge. I also think that the matchups favor Denver for the most part too, but none by a significant amount. I see Denver as the better team that should win a somewhat close game.

[SteelManiac55]

He's just rebuking some of the most popular reasons that Steelers fans have to believe that their team is better.

If you can come up with some of your own reasons for believing that the Steelers will win, feel free to do so.

I mean, you can point out that on occasions when the Steelers do pass the ball, they lead the league in yards per attempt and yards per completion. They have a very good big play offense. It excells at picking teams apart that concentrate on nothing but the Steeler's running game.

Still, by statistical analysis, it is clear to me that Denver has an edge. I also think that the matchups favor Denver for the most part too, but none by a significant amount. I see Denver as the better team that should win a somewhat close game.

All of the "stats" gave Indy the edge also. We all remember how that turned out. Plus, I've already made my points many teams here. I don't really feel like doing it again, haha.

[Archimedes Owl]

All of the "stats" gave Indy the edge also. We all remember how that turned out. Plus, I've already made my points many teams here. I don't really feel like doing it again, haha.
If you believe that, you obviously have no idea how to read stats.

Indy had a horrible defense. They ranked well in only one category: Points allowed per game.

And that was due in large part to the fact that they have been able to sustain long drives once they've had the lead that minimize the opponents opportunity to score. And because they've faced a whole bunch of weak offenses.

Still, Indy allowed the highest completion percentage of any team in the league by a wide margin, allowed the twentieth highest yards per pass attempt and the twentieth highest yards per rush attempt. They actually allowed 4.4 yards per attempt against a lot of pathetically weak competition.

Their offense has been powerful, but it was clear that the Steelers matched up decently with them.

The statistics do tell us something if properly read. If you thought that the Colts had a large statistical edge, you are mistaken.

[Eldritch]

Your post convinced me on absolutley nothing. Sorry. I respect Denver fans, but overconfident little trolls like you are just useless.

Interesting...your contention that respected members of a specific sports team are trolls, but the temporary, egotistical and rude interlopers from an opposing sports team somehow have more validity.

[Stickman]

He's just rebuking some of the most popular reasons that Steelers fans have to believe that their team is better.

If you can come up with some of your own reasons for believing that the Steelers will win, feel free to do so.

I mean, you can point out that on occasions when the Steelers do pass the ball, they lead the league in yards per attempt and yards per completion. They have a very good big play offense. It excells at picking teams apart that concentrate on nothing but the Steeler's running game.

Still, by statistical analysis, it is clear to me that Denver has an edge. I also think that the matchups favor Denver for the most part too, but none by a significant amount. I see Denver as the better team that should win a somewhat close game.
In the end, I think all fans would like to think their team has an edge. Me personally, I don't want to think the Steelers have a chance to win, because that's the way I've felt the last two weeks, and they've won. So, here's to you Broncos... we don't have a chance!! And that's the kind of chance I'll take any day with this years Pittsburgh Steelers.

[SteelTippin']

Still, by statistical analysis, it is clear to me that Denver has an edge.

I disagree, but fire up your analysis, I'd be happy to go through it and get back to you. I think the stats show the Steelers defense to be slightly better, while the Denver offense is slightly better. To me, that is pretty damn even. I know no one believes it post-game, but I was not worried about the Colts. The MNF game Steeler "excuses" were valid reasons that the Colts beat us. I did not then, nor do I now think that they are a better football team than the Steelers. In my opinion, and again it will be doubted, the Steelers and the Broncos are the most well-rounded, complete teams in the NFL. Next would be the Panthers, but since I go to school in NC and live with their fans, I've seen at least 10 of their games this season, and I just don't think their passing offense is up to par if Steve Smith can be neutralized. A HUGE if, I realize, but you have to figure Ike Taylor and Champ Bailey are both more than capable, esp. considering the likely double-team. They basically have no other receivers, and they run about 5 plays.

I know that you guys are starting posts to rebut the Steeler trolls "factual arguments", but some of us more objective and knowledgeable Steeler fans are seeing these threads getting started as you dissing us first, at least partially b/c we didnt see the original smack.

[Archimedes Owl]

My full analysis can be found in the following thread:

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=52938


Basically, it says that the Steeler run offense is superior to Denvers, but that the Steeler pass offense isn't quite as good. It also notes that the Steeler pass offense is a lot better than most people think, while the Steeler running game isn't as good as Denver's.

I also analyze what type of competition that each team has faced in building these statistics. It's not perfect in that I didn't really examine the situational defenses, but I still think that it is pretty good. I give more wieght to statistics that don't depend so much on the number of plays run. Pass defensive statistics are usually skewed by a large amount by the number of pass attempts that a team has faced. The number of attempts a team that leads often faces is usually substantially higher than a team that doesn't lead as much.

EDIT:

The biggest advantage that Denver has has been the ability to force turnovers consistently and to not turn the ball over.

[Freestyle]

I disagree, but fire up your analysis, I'd be happy to go through it and get back to you. I think the stats show the Steelers defense to be slightly better, while the Denver offense is slightly better. To me, that is pretty damn even. I know no one believes it post-game, but I was not worried about the Colts. The MNF game Steeler "excuses" were valid reasons that the Colts beat us. I did not then, nor do I now think that they are a better football team than the Steelers. In my opinion, and again it will be doubted, the Steelers and the Broncos are the most well-rounded, complete teams in the NFL. Next would be the Panthers, but since I go to school in NC and live with their fans, I've seen at least 10 of their games this season, and I just don't think their passing offense is up to par if Steve Smith can be neutralized. A HUGE if, I realize, but you have to figure Ike Taylor and Champ Bailey are both more than capable, esp. considering the likely double-team. They basically have no other receivers, and they run about 5 plays.

I know that you guys are starting posts to rebut the Steeler trolls "factual arguments", but some of us more objective and knowledgeable Steeler fans are seeing these threads getting started as you dissing us first, at least partially b/c we didnt see the original smack.


They call it the circle of smack. :laugh:

Statistically, you're right it is pretty close. Both teams play with a similar philosophy (running and stopping the run), its the way we go about thats so different.

-Will Denver's smallish line create cutback lanes for our RB's? Or will they get beat up by Pittsburgh's physical D?
-Will Denver's speedy D get run over by the Steelers? Or will they create havoc for Big Ben?

This game will be about who cant play to their strengths. I cant wait. :cheers: