Walker Rumour...GB Boards

[Lelieisdaman]

I was just searching around and found this

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=227&threadID=3511829&lastPostID=22279874

Basically saying GB fan heard on the radio the deal could be Walker, 4th rounder and 5th Overall, TO Denver for both 15th and 22nd picks.

I know it is all speculation but I would absolutely LOVE this deal

[bcbronc]

I was just searching around and found this

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=227&threadID=3511829&lastPostID=22279874

Basically saying GB fan heard on the radio the deal could be Walker, 4th rounder and 5th Overall, TO Denver for both 15th and 22nd picks.

I know it is all speculation but I would absolutely LOVE this deal


so we would keep lelie?

if so, id make this deal. hopefully mario is on the boards at #5. if not VD most likely is. imagine an offense with rod, lelie, walker and VD with bell or dayne lined up as a single back. :eek:

and if mario was gone, but shanny figured we had enough offensive weapons, we could take ngata at 5 (or trade down a few spots possibly). as long as we took a DT at 61, id be all over this deal.

but i think its just random speculation, so i aint holding my breath.

[Bronco in UT]

Wow is all I could say to a scenario like that. WOW. IF that really happened (unlikely) that would be a HUGE deal for the broncos. I would go insane and would definately have to celebrate with a sixer on draft day. HOLAAAAAAAA!!

[16TheSnake]

It's interesting that this deal came from a GB fan and not a bronco maniac, the deal doesn't seem like it would help GB much. However the deal would solve all of the broncos problems.

at the 5 pick we could get either Mario DE (pass rush solution), or VD TE (return of sharp prototype).

and in the second round pick up the position not covered in the first round. (CU Klop is a good second round TE choice)

then use the rest of the draft to add depth.

[broncos74310]

holy crap! if this is true, there will not be a team that could stop us. we'd have walker, smith, bell/dayne, and probably davis. who can stop that?

[HORSEPOWER 56]

Much like all the "confirmed reports" of the "imminent" Abraham trade to the Broncos...

I'll believe it when I see it. :coffee:

[Sam24]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.

[WABronco]

PLEASE BE TRUE!!! PLEASE LORD, I WON'T EVEN STEP ON A BUG FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE IF THIS IS TRUE!!! PLEASSSSSSE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, if we could get Walker without giving up Ash...dayummm. Then, if we could get Ash to come back after next year...DAYUUUUMMMM!

AHHHH! I'M GOING CRAZYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

[WABronco]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.

Notice the part about acquiring the fifth overall pick??

[tommy1986]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.


Not only do we get Walker in such a trade, but also the #5 overall pick and a 4th rounder.

[tommy1986]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.


Not only do we get Walker in such a trade, but also the #5 overall pick and a 4th rounder. If this deal went through we would be robbing the Packers blind.

[dontfeedthenerd]

Not only do we get Walker in such a trade, but also the #5 overall pick and a 4th rounder. If this deal went through we would be robbing the Packers blind.


I would say no 4th rounder, that would probably be more likely in this case.

[Crush_570]

Dont forget about Watts if he comes through like they think he can he will be another huge weapon.

[WABronco]

It's too good to be true...

[Sam24]

Notice the part about acquiring the fifth overall pick??
Yeah I just seen that, its been a long day. :duh:

[TXBRONC]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.

I would bet this what Green Bay fans think they could get for Walker. If he was healthy he may be worth a number one but not two.

[jcrobins]

This is a good trade for us, but I think a little bit much for GB. Because, I don't think they need to include the 4th to make it an equitable trade. On the other hand, if they insist, why not. :D

There is so many rumours swirling around right now, I don't know what to believe.
However, where there's smoke there is fire. So I fully expect the Broncos to get into the top 6 by draft time. It's just a matter of who & how much. :beer:

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

It's too good to be true...

Maybe if we throw in a pick next year, like a 1st or 2nd.

The actual trade won't be announced until draft day if something did go down though :ugh: I can't wait for draft day!

[DjWilliams55]

I was just searching around and found this

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=227&threadID=3511829&lastPostID=22279874

Basically saying GB fan heard on the radio the deal could be Walker, 4th rounder and 5th Overall, TO Denver for both 15th and 22nd picks.

I know it is all speculation but I would absolutely LOVE this deal

I would love this but like people r saying, surely too good to be true. REMEMBER, the 15th and 22nd pick equate to the value of the 4th overall pick in the draft. (when u look at the scale thing going around).... to throw in walker and a fourth rounder and drop down 1pic to 5th is a bit much to ask isnt it?
but i'd love it, yep!

[rcsodak]

I dont like it. This is completely ludicrious, Javon Walker isnt worth 2 first round picks.
And whoever thinks he is, is a complete idiot. Denver wouldnt trade one first round pick for John Abraham so why in the hell would stupid grn bay idiots think theyd trade two just for Walker.
It isn't saying he is!
They're giving up their #5, walker & a 4th, for denver's 2-#1's.
They'd be opening up even more cap room, and gaining an additional 1st rounder.....as they need more than just 1 player.
Though, I am surprised Lelie isn't mentioned.

Of course, this IS just conjecture.....and strictly fodder for the mb's.......

With that said, I'd rather see a 3rd rounder, since denver doesn't have one.

[RBDynasty]

I was just searching around and found this

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?forumID=227&threadID=3511829&lastPostID=22279874

Basically saying GB fan heard on the radio the deal could be Walker, 4th rounder and 5th Overall, TO Denver for both 15th and 22nd picks.

I know it is all speculation but I would absolutely LOVE this dealThat would be one helluva deal if that happened. But it sounds like fans are just making up stuff to keep themselves entertained.

But if that did happen and Super Mario somehow fell down to #5..... :D

[pipes]

Dont forget about Watts if he comes through like they think he can he will be another huge weapon.


Rod+Ashley+Javon+Vernon=No balls for Watts

[Dry Kill Logic]

Except the ones slapping..... Never mind.

[Road_Apples]

Not likely Mario gets past the Titans, and Houston is looking like that's their man anyway, so you can kiss that dream goodbye. The absolute for certain top three picks are Mario, Reggie and Matt in whatever order, and then if the trade goes through as purported, that leaves Haloti, Vernon, D'Brickashaw, and A.J.
One of those will be gone, and Denver will have three of those four to pick form without feeling they need to trade back to get value for what they want.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Hawk either as for some reason the Broncos love their LBs too. That could open up a trade for D.J. for another player or pick. Who knows, it's all a crap shoot.

[West]

I think it'd take a lot more than our 2 first round picks for that to go down. Lets see here, we're getting a 'premier(not my words)' WR, a top 5 draft pick AND a 4th round pick for just 2 first round picks. I don't have the chart in front of me, but that trade seems WAYYYYYYYY off.


I wouldn't like it.

[EddieMac]

OK if this is true DENVER ROCKS...Javon...and Vernon Davis ( assuming he is there at 5, which is likely)...with a chance still to trade Lelie for more picks!! (sorry guys I am VERY disenchanted with LELIE, rip away) That trade can only be good for us!! Lets cross our fingers!

[CinnaMunMun]

Not likely Mario gets past the Titans, and Houston is looking like that's their man anyway, so you can kiss that dream goodbye. The absolute for certain top three picks are Mario, Reggie and Matt in whatever order, and then if the trade goes through as purported, that leaves Haloti, Vernon, D'Brickashaw, and A.J.
One of those will be gone, and Denver will have three of those four to pick form without feeling they need to trade back to get value for what they want.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Hawk either as for some reason the Broncos love their LBs too. That could open up a trade for D.J. for another player or pick. Who knows, it's all a crap shoot.

I think Texas will still probably take Bush and are just entertaining the option of Mario.

I also think the Titans have to take a QB though as they are about in the same boat as Oakland.

Who knows though, we might end up going to the #5 spot and the guy we wanted is gone.

[pipes]

I think Texas will still probably take Bush and are just entertaining the option of Mario.

I also think the Titans have to take a QB though as they are about in the same boat as Oakland.

Who knows though, we might end up going to the #5 spot and the guy we wanted is gone.


I agree 100% with you on the first two sentences.

The third one though...we would not trade until the #5 spot was on the clock.

[Road_Apples]

I think it'd take a lot more than our 2 first round picks for that to go down. Lets see here, we're getting a 'premier(not my words)' WR, a top 5 draft pick AND a 4th round pick for just 2 first round picks. I don't have the chart in front of me, but that trade seems WAYYYYYYYY off.


I wouldn't like it.

you wouldn't like it if you were GB? or what?
It sounds incredulous for sure, but it all depends on where GB thinks Walker's value is, and I personally think they think it is far lower in reality than they are letting on in public -probably a mid level third at best.
therefore:
say 250 points
next they give up their fourth at 96 points = 346 points
and then they throw in the #5 overall which is 1700, and a total of 2046 points.

Denver tosses in their two picks collectively worth totalling 1830, so I would think personally that it is actually DENVER giving a fourth rounder to GB than the other way around to make this deal work out where it might be fairer. However, GB might be readily thinking they need to get two high draft picks in order to shore up their holes, and get rid of a problem (Walker), so if it is true, they might be thinking it is well worth it to pull the trigger on that kind of deal where it is only 216 points. This could be contingent on how much value for Walker they think they can get, and maybe after all the BS in the rumor mills is really not true, this might be the best offer.

[Colorado69]

They sure get the board buzzing. If the Broncos do end up with Walker, do they trade Lelie? I guess it depends alot on what they think of Terrell and Watts. Keeping Lelie and Walker will sure hurt the pocketbook and create complaints about who gets the most throws their way. Also, if they use the #5 to draft Davis, they will need two footballs per play to keep everyone happy. One more question. Is Walker a decent blocker?

[JRWIZ]

They sure get the board buzzing. If the Broncos do end up with Walker, do they trade Lelie? I guess it depends alot on what they think of Terrell and Watts. Keeping Lelie and Walker will sure hurt the pocketbook and create complaints about who gets the most throws their way. Also, if they use the #5 to draft Davis, they will need two footballs per play to keep everyone happy. One more question. Is Walker a decent blocker?

Ashleys impact is a shade over 600k this year and next. Will we have to reod his contract only if he can make a splash this year. Rod and Javon could make a great set of WR's that can do it all.

[Dean]

This year's Bronco draft is one of if not the most entertaining that I can remember.

There are so many possibilities. When you couple the Broncos two first round picks with the unusual quality of this draft, there are so many options to look at. Denver could trade up using their two first round picks. They can trade up using one first round pick and a player in trade. They can use both their picks in an almost countless number of player combinations. They can trade down for more picks in the second round and still get very highly skilled athletes. :jawdrop:

When you couple all these outcomes with the Broncos' past unpredictability and our own personel biases there is an unlimited number of possibilities. :rockon:

[JRWIZ]

This year's Bronco draft is one of if not the most entertaining that I can remember.

There are so many possibilities. When you couple the Broncos two first round picks with the unusual quality of this draft, there are so many options to look at. Denver could trade up using their two first round picks. They can trade up using one first round pick and a player in trade. They can use both their picks in an almost countless number of player combinations. They can trade down for more picks in the second round and still get very highly skilled athletes. :jawdrop:

When you couple all these outcomes with the Broncos' past unpredictability and our own personel biases there is an unlimited number of possibilities. :rockon:


Entertaining only if you like mysteries, or sometimes comedy central.

[broncos4ever]

This would be sweet. I would take that deal in a minute. Of course sometimes I like to Dream... Dream... Dream... please don't wake me up... :yawn:

[RazR]

BLAH.... too good to be true. While we would give up two picks (something I've nevber been in favor of), this would be robbery. I would go into shock if this was pulled off....

[broncobuss]

Also on that board, posted by "louis wright 20"(dont know if its the "real" louis wright) that he herd a rumor of denvers 15, a 2nd round pick, and ashly lilie to green bay for the #5 and Javon Walker, just a rumor, but it sounds a little more fair to both teams than the other proposed trade... thoughts

[WABronco]

Also on that board, posted by "louis wright 20"(dont know if its the "real" louis wright) that he herd a rumor of denvers 15, a 2nd round pick, and ashly lilie to green bay for the #5 and Javon Walker, just a rumor, but it sounds a little more fair to both teams than the other proposed trade... thoughts

Now that would be SAAWWWWEEEEEEEETTTT!!!

That's an even bigger ripoff IMO. Essentially (if Walker is fully recovered), you're trading a first and second round pick for no. 5 overall. S-T-E-A-L.

[TD Machine]

This situation would be ideal if we don't work anything out with the Texans.

Walker AND a #5, keeping Lelie. Hello Vernon Davis, nice to meet you. I'll be very upset if THIS or the Reggie sweepstakes doesn't go down, we need a guy like R.B. or V.D.

[Jstats]

Damn, sounds good, but how healthy is Javon Walker?

[imh]

Doesn't Walker want a big fat contract? Isn't that why he wants out of GB anyway? I've never seen Denver give a fat contract to a WR and if they wern't willing to pay for T.O. I don't think they will for walker. This is a deep draft. Alot of good players wich is why Denver traded its pick last year. At #15 and #22 Denver can get playmakers that can start this year. Might even be some steals in the second and third rounds. As far as I know Lelie isn't holding out or hasn't been griping about his situation. I don't think he will be a T.O. type distraction next year if Denver forces him to play and might have a breakout year trying to prove himself. Denver is in very good shape even if we stay put. We hold all the cards and don't have to settle. Should be drama on draft day!

[BroncoFanCam]

Doesn't Walker want a big fat contract? Isn't that why he wants out of GB anyway? I've never seen Denver give a fat contract to a WR and if they wern't willing to pay for T.O. I don't think they will for walker. This is a deep draft. Alot of good players wich is why Denver traded its pick last year. At #15 and #22 Denver can get playmakers that can start this year. Might even be some steals in the second and third rounds. As far as I know Lelie isn't holding out or hasn't been griping about his situation. I don't think he will be a T.O. type distraction next year if Denver forces him to play and might have a breakout year trying to prove himself. Denver is in very good shape even if we stay put. We hold all the cards and don't have to settle. Should be drama on draft day!

Roddy and Eddie Mac have both had rather "handsom" salaries in their careers, but that aside...

I don't think Javon wants a "fat contract" he just wants more than he is currently getting - which is a very low ammount.

Given his performance, and his showing up last year when GB demanded, (also telling him they would work something out, and not doing so), this is one of the uber-rare situations where I do think the guy actually does deserve a raise.

Give him the moon? Hells no.

But even at 2-3 times what he was making I would be alright with that. Maybe make it incentive based, so if his injury is not healed we aren't stuck for it. But if he performs anywhere close to his former glory a 'mill' a season would be a bargain.

[EddieMac]

Well now we don't have 2 first rounders so this thread is now pointless. I have read that we can get javon for our new 2nd or 3rd rounder but the 5th overall seems to be a pipe dream at this point.....no VD for us unless we are meeting our dates on street corners.....*sigh* :-( The dream was great, for a day.

[West]

you wouldn't like it if you were GB? or what?
It sounds incredulous for sure, but it all depends on where GB thinks Walker's value is, and I personally think they think it is far lower in reality than they are letting on in public -probably a mid level third at best.
therefore:
say 250 points
next they give up their fourth at 96 points = 346 points
and then they throw in the #5 overall which is 1700, and a total of 2046 points.

Denver tosses in their two picks collectively worth totalling 1830, so I would think personally that it is actually DENVER giving a fourth rounder to GB than the other way around to make this deal work out where it might be fairer. However, GB might be readily thinking they need to get two high draft picks in order to shore up their holes, and get rid of a problem (Walker), so if it is true, they might be thinking it is well worth it to pull the trigger on that kind of deal where it is only 216 points. This could be contingent on how much value for Walker they think they can get, and maybe after all the BS in the rumor mills is really not true, this might be the best offer.
I would like getting #5 but not Walker. He is overrated and unproven.

[vicious2500]

I would like getting #5 but not Walker. He is overrated and unproven.

Willn't matter anymore, we willn't be able to get that #5 pick from them now without giving up our top pick next year. Walker for a 4th rounder sounds good. Maybe we can swap 2nd round picks as well; Walker their 2nd round pick for our 4th round pick and our 2nd round pick.

[Cugel]

I would like getting #5 but not Walker. He is overrated and unproven.
Well, it doesn't look like the Broncos are getting either one so you don't have to worry about it!

1. Trading down out of the first round means no move up to #5 or #6. i.e. NO Vernon Davis!

2. Unless the Packers want Lelie for Walker Lelie isn't going anywhere this year. Just because his agent wants a trade and he's staying away from the voluntary workouts to try and force a trade doesn't mean that Shanahan will trade him!

That would create a hole at #2 WR.

And now ESPN is reporting that LenDale White will be Denver's pick at #15. LINK (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/news/story?id=2413937&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft06%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d2413937 )

So, it's probably LenDale White, then a TE with one of the #2 picks.

At least White will get on the field in his rookie year if he's any good.

But, using a #15 pick on a RB is too high in my view. I'd rather see some other player taken. Unfortunately, it seems to be down to Chad Jackson, White or somebody who unexpectedly slips.

My money's on White now. :coffee:

[JRWIZ]

Well, it doesn't look like the Broncos are getting either one so you don't have to worry about it!

1. Trading down out of the first round means no move up to #5 or #6. i.e. NO Vernon Davis!

2. Unless the Packers want Lelie for Walker Lelie isn't going anywhere this year. Just because his agent wants a trade and he's staying away from the voluntary workouts to try and force a trade doesn't mean that Shanahan will trade him!

That would create a hole at #2 WR.

And now ESPN is reporting that LenDale White will be Denver's pick at #15. LINK (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/news/story?id=2413937&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl %2fdraft06%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d2413937 )

So, it's probably LenDale White, then a TE with one of the #2 picks.

At least White will get on the field in his rookie year if he's any good.

But, using a #15 pick on a RB is too high in my view. I'd rather see some other player taken. Unfortunately, it seems to be down to Chad Jackson, White or somebody who unexpectedly slips.

My money's on White now. :coffee:


Just maybe Mikey will trade down some more, so we don't have to take a RB that is hurt, NO Wait he has a habit of doing that.

OR a WR that won't start until Rod retires or be worth having on the field until 2007.

NO he has history of doing that also.

Hooked, screwed and tattooed AGAIN. Mikey is gonna slip us the fid once again.

[KS-BroncoGirl]

...in today's trade that the words Denver Broncos are a sour taste in my mouth. I realize that what Shanahan said after last years trade with Washington is true in that this years draft has a lot more talent, but how often does Denver get a decent first round pick like they got in the Abraham deal and end up with two first rounders? This has got to be one of the worst trade deals they have ever done. It's a bad day for me because of this. Sure there might be some upside, but I never think trading down is a good deal unless it's a player and draft selection(s). I keep thinking every year that the Broncos are going to finally do something totally corrrect in the draft and this year looked like a banner year to do jus that. Now, IMHO they just screwed themselves out of a player who could be a starter for someone that probalbly needs a year before becoming a worthy talent to put on the field. I can't even imagine whom we'll take now. The main talent will be gone before Denver gets it's second choice and thell probably pick a player for some position that isn't a need. I'm just mad about this can you tell? :eek: :confused:

[BroncoFanCam]

...in today's trade that the words Denver Broncos are a sour taste in my mouth. I realize that what Shanahan said after last years trade with Washington is true in that this years draft has a lot more talent, but how often does Denver get a decent first round pick like they got in the Abraham deal and end up with two first rounders? This has got to be one of the worst trade deals they have ever done. It's a bad day for me because of this. Sure there might be some upside, but I never think trading down is a good deal unless it's a player and draft selection(s). I keep thinking every year that the Broncos are going to finally do something totally corrrect in the draft and this year looked like a banner year to do jus that. Now, IMHO they just screwed themselves out of a player who could be a starter for someone that probalbly needs a year before becoming a worthy talent to put on the field. I can't even imagine whom we'll take now. The main talent will be gone before Denver gets it's second choice and thell probably pick a player for some position that isn't a need. I'm just mad about this can you tell? :eek: :confused:

I think that pulling this move, this early was a mistake to be quite honest.

And I am sad to say that I will not be surprised in the least if we do it again with #15. I am just getting this "wussing out" feeling from the F/O as far as drafting is concerned.

Last year we pussed out of the first, I wont be shocked if we do it again.

I was very excited at having our first real shot at an ELITE draftee in a VERY long time. That dream has since become a nightmare as it is now out of our grasp.

Now I just feel like our F/O has absolutely no faith in their scouts or drafting in the first round as a whole.

[WABronco]

I think that pulling this move, this early was a mistake to be quite honest.

And I am sad to say that I will not be surprised in the least if we do it again with #15. I am just getting this "wussing out" feeling from the F/O as far as drafting is concerned.

Last year we pussed out of the first, I wont be shocked if we do it again.

I was very excited at having our first real shot at an ELITE draftee in a VERY long time. That dream has since become a nightmare as it is now out of our grasp.

Now I just feel like our F/O has absolutely no faith in their scouts or drafting in the first round as a whole.

No, they wanted to get a deal done early so they weren't relying on other team's FO's who are typically FOS. Remember when Denver surprisingly took George Foster? Well, IIRC, Shanny had tried to swing a trade for the Ravens slot (I believe no. 9) for Terrell Suggs (imagine that!), but Billick screwed him over. Billick then screwed Shanny again when he backed out on a deal where B-More would've traded back into the first (no. 20) to select Kyle Boller. He backs out in the last second and swings a trade with New England instead. Result? Billick finds himself on Shanny's permanent **** list.

Shanny doesn't want to get burned like that again. Remember how the Deltha O'neal trade was before the draft too? Yea, that's why...

Trading only one first rounder makes you think the FO is incompetent? What?? They still have no. 15...even higher and riskier!

You guys are being greedy, frankly. We can get better value at our need positions at 37 and 61 than 22 and 61.

[pipes]

No, they wanted to get a deal done early so they weren't relying on other team's FO's who are typically FOS. Remember when Denver surprisingly took George Foster? Well, IIRC, Shanny had tried to swing a trade for the Ravens slot (I believe no. 9) for Terrell Suggs (imagine that!), but Billick screwed him over. Billick then screwed Shanny again when he backed out on a deal where B-More would've traded back into the first (no. 20) to select Kyle Boller. He backs out in the last second and swings a trade with New England instead. Result? Billick finds himself on Shanny's permanent **** list.

Shanny doesn't want to get burned like that again. Remember how the Deltha O'neal trade was before the draft too? Yea, that's why...

Trading only one first rounder makes you think the FO is incompetent? What?? They still have no. 15...even higher and riskier!

You guys are being greedy, frankly. We can get better value at our need positions at 37 and 61 than 22 and 61.


Nice insight :beer:

[BroncoFanCam]

No, they wanted to get a deal done early so they weren't relying on other team's FO's who are typically FOS. Remember when Denver surprisingly took George Foster? Well, IIRC, Shanny had tried to swing a trade for the Ravens slot (I believe no. 9) for Terrell Suggs (imagine that!), but Billick screwed him over. Billick then screwed Shanny again when he backed out on a deal where B-More would've traded back into the first (no. 20) to select Kyle Boller. He backs out in the last second and swings a trade with New England instead. Result? Billick finds himself on Shanny's permanent **** list.

Shanny doesn't want to get burned like that again. Remember how the Deltha O'neal trade was before the draft too? Yea, that's why...

Trading only one first rounder makes you think the FO is incompetent? What?? They still have no. 15...even higher and riskier!

You guys are being greedy, frankly. We can get better value at our need positions at 37 and 61 than 22 and 61.

Rather than pull the trigger this early I would just... NOT DO BUSINESS WITH BILLICK!

I have a hard time believeing that tis trade could have been jeopardised by anothe rteam on draft day, or that someone else was about to beat us to the punch... the punch being a 2nd and 3rd rounder... whoptie dang doo...

[WABronco]

Rather than pull the trigger this early I would just... NOT DO BUSINESS WITH BILLICK!

I have a hard time believeing that tis trade could have been jeopardised by anothe rteam on draft day, or that someone else was about to beat us to the punch... the punch being a 2nd and 3rd rounder... whoptie dang doo...

This specific trade is not the point of my post. The point is that it seems like Shanny likes to get his bizness done before draft day...no matter what the deal is.

Of course, there are some scenarios where the deal is on hold until a specific player falls, but that's not the case here.

[Return of Lava]

People always overreact. I think this trade is gonna turn out to be a good one since after the first 15 or so picks, most of the players are the same, so we go get 4 picks on day1 instead of 3. Whats all this talk about now we cant get an ELITE player? LOL, we still have the #15 pick. Even if we end up trading THAT pick, we really already have our starting lineup. A rookie has nowhere to start this year except maybe WR and DT.

[broncos4ever]

What if we get a draft pick that we acquired in the 49er trade and we trade it to Green Bay for Javon Walker, woudn't it be worth it? :eek:

[Lelieisdaman]

I think that this trade was a direct trade for need. I think Shanny realised this draft a WR and TE are the 2 most important things. Shanny seems to be happy with D-LIne, as am I. This trade allows us to get Chad Jackson or Holmes, and then get Pope, or Lewis at the 37 slot (which we wouldnt be able to do at 22) here is no TE worth picking at 22, so Shanny made a move to gain an extra pick while still being able to get the TE he wanted. Everyone can't forget the Niners second pick is still very high in the draft.