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[Southstander]

It is good to be back.


I say we move Smotlz to the pen. He is good for about four innings make him a Mid reliever.

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Tim Wakefield has been placed on the 15 day DL.

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The Rangers have taken an early 2-0 lead.

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2-1 Rangers.

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Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Ellsbury, CF 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 .290
Pedroia, 2B 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 .301
Youkilis, 1B 4 0 1 1 0 1 0 .303
Ortiz, D, DH 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 .224
Bay, LF 1 1 0 0 3 0 0 .254
Drew, J, RF 4 0 0 0 0 1 3 .236
Lowell, 3B 3 0 1 1 1 0 1 .289
Varitek, C 4 0 0 0 0 2 3 .230
Lowrie, SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 2 .107
Totals 31 2 5 2 4 4 12

BATTING
2B: Lowrie (1, Hunter, T), Youkilis (24, Hunter, T).
TB: Pedroia; Youkilis 2; Ortiz, D; Lowell; Lowrie 2.
RBI: Youkilis (57), Lowell (42).
2-out RBI: Youkilis; Lowell.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Pedroia; Ortiz, D; Lowrie.
Team RISP: 1-for-7.
Team LOB: 6.

BASERUNNING
SB: Bay (11, 2nd base off Wilson, C/Saltalamacchia).

FIELDING
DP: (Pedroia-Youkilis-Lowrie-Pedroia).

Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Beckett (L, 11-4) 8.0 7 4 4 1 7 0 3.42

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Julio Lugo is gone. He has been traded to the Cards for OF Chris Duncan and a player to be named later.

Minor Leaguers SS Argenis Dias and RHP Hunter Strickland are sent to the Pirates for Adam LaRoche.

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The Red Sox will retire Jim Rice's #14 on July 28th, just two days after his is enshired in Cooperstown.

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Nick Green Homers to right and the Sox take the 1-0 lead.

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Sox lose 3-1.


Man this is starting to make me EXTREMLY MAD!!!

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Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Ellsbury, CF 4 0 0 0 0 1 1 .287
Pedroia, 2B 4 0 2 0 0 0 1 .304
Youkilis, 3B 4 0 0 0 0 1 2 .299
Ortiz, D, DH 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 .228
Bay, LF 3 0 0 0 1 1 3 .252
Drew, J, RF 3 0 0 0 1 1 1 .233
Kotsay, 1B 4 0 0 0 0 2 3 .257
Varitek, C 4 0 1 0 0 2 2 .231
Green, N, SS 3 1 1 1 0 1 1 .250
Totals 33 1 6 1 2 9 14

BATTING
HR: Green, N (5, 3rd inning off Nippert, 0 on, 0 out).
TB: Pedroia 2; Ortiz, D 2; Varitek; Green, N 4.
RBI: Green, N (31).
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Varitek; Bay; Kotsay.
Team RISP: 0-for-5.
Team LOB: 7.

Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Buchholz, C (L, 1-1) 4.0 6 3 3 2 3 1 3.72
Delcarmen 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 2.25
Bard, D 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 2.33
Okajima 1.0 1 0 0 1 0 0 3.15
Papelbon 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1.76

[#1snake_fan]

anyone else sick of #$*^ing Clay Buchholz yet ? big f'n deal he threw a No Hitter against Baltimore two years ago WOW i'm pretty sure that a high school pitcher could do that

BOSTON you got rid of one piece of crap in Lugo now do it again and this time don't get crap back Chris Duncan was only in the majors cause his Daddy is the pitching coach in St.Louis he's a horrible first basemen and a horrible outfielder ... Good Trade Sox :duh:

i agree with one of the dumbass espn guys if Toronto wants Clay Buchholz for Roy Halladay ... THEN GIVE HIM TO THEM Halladay is one of the best in the game and like they said with a rotation like Beckett , Lester , and Halladay who could stop them ?

[Southstander]

I am almost at that point.

[#1snake_fan]

well lets face it get a Great pitcher or keep a prospect who lets face it has been hit or miss after he threw his no hitter and then the next year NOTHING he went 2-9 and yeah i know that some guys need time to ajust which is fine but last night i saw no sign of the Buchholz who threw a no no

Halladay will be around (atleast in Boston) for a year and a half the most important part of the season this year and all year next year to me it a freakin NO BRAINER make the deal

[Southstander]

One problem is both Beckett and Halladay would be up for a contract at the same time.

[#1snake_fan]

yeah but the Red Sox know that Beckett is the BEST playoffs pitcher in the game today (he was hurt last year) and they know that Halladay hasn't pitched in the playoffs so if he can't then don't worry about signing him again but Beckett to me is the highest priority Halladay would help us get to the playoffs but Beckett almost garrantees us winning the World Series

[Southstander]

What would make it worse is if he goes to the Yankees.

[#1snake_fan]

that's my point that's why Boston has to say whatever you want take it please

and to your good point south about Beckett and Halladay both being up for contracts

we already have Pedroia , Youkilis , Papelbon , and are going to be in talks with Bay and we have Ellsbury under arbitration so i think they could break the bank for a great pitcher and not to mention we have Lester locked up as well

[Southstander]

I would love to have him. Can you Imagine Becks, Roy, Lester, Dice-K:peace:

[#1snake_fan]

2012 Fenway hosts the ALL STAR Game

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From what I have read they have asked, but Commissioner Selig said during the AS game that it will be Kansas City.

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Hard to believe this was five years ago today.

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[Southstander]

Mark Kotsay has been wavied to make room for Adam LaRouche.

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Sox win 3-1 over the Orioles. Box score when I can.

[#1snake_fan]

congrats to Jim Rice a Hell of a Player this was LONG LONG over due

14 to be retired


i think they should retire Trot Nixon's # 7

[Southstander]

congrats to Jim Rice a Hell of a Player this was LONG LONG over due

14 to be retired


i think they should retire Trot Nixon's # 7

As I you prob know but the Sox have rules on retiring numbers.

1. 10 Years with the Culb
2. In the Hall of Fame
3. End Career with the Red Sox.

Fisk did sign a one day contract with Sox to meet the third guideline. They made a one time execption for Pesky to have his #6 retired. Nixon does meet the first requirement, his in not in the HOF, and ended his career with the Brewers. I hate to say it but he does not have HOF numbers so the chances of his #7 being retired are slim.


If anyone else needs to have his number retired is Boggs. He meets the first two, and could do what Fisk did to mee the third.

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Boston 7, Baltimore 2

Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Ellsbury, CF 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 .291
Pedroia, 2B 3 1 0 0 1 0 1 .304
Drew, J, RF 4 0 1 0 0 1 1 .234
Bay, LF 3 1 2 0 1 0 0 .256
Ortiz, D, DH 2 1 1 3 1 1 2 .230
Lowell, 3B 4 1 1 0 0 0 3 .289
LaRoche, Ad, 1B 4 1 1 2 0 0 0 .247
Varitek, C 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 .231
Green, N, SS 4 1 1 0 0 1 1 .250
Totals 33 7 10 7 3 3 8

BATTING
2B: Varitek (18, Guthrie), Ellsbury 2 (16, Guthrie, Guthrie), Bay (21, Guthrie).
HR: Ortiz, D (13, 1st inning off Guthrie, 2 on, 2 out), LaRoche, Ad (13, 8th inning off Hendrickson, 1 on, 0 out).
TB: Ellsbury 4; Drew, J; Bay 3; Ortiz, D 4; Lowell; LaRoche, Ad 4; Varitek 2; Green, N.
RBI: Ortiz, D 3 (54), Ellsbury 2 (31), LaRoche, Ad 2 (42).
2-out RBI: Ortiz, D 3; Ellsbury 2.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Pedroia; Lowell; Ortiz, D.
Team RISP: 2-for-6.
Team LOB: 6.

BASERUNNING
SB: Ellsbury (43, 3rd base off Guthrie/Wieters).
PO: Ellsbury (2nd base by Guthrie).

FIELDING
E: Drew, J (2, throw).

Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lester (W, 9-7) 7.1 8 2 2 2 9 0 3.79
Bard, D (H, 3) 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.28
Ramirez, R 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 2.21
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Got to love LaRoche hitting a home run in his first game as a Red Sox, and in his Fenway Park debut.:salute!:

[#1snake_fan]

screw Boggs that Yankees traiter F him

[kmcgough25]

I really like oour schedule for the next couple of weeks before heading to Tampa and New York.

[redneckrocker]

How's Duncan working out for ya! Cuz Lugo's already hit a HR and has a .300+ BA for the Cards! Thank you Sox! Here's to beating you in the future.:beer:

[Southstander]

How's Duncan working out for ya! Cuz Lugo's already hit a HR and has a .300+ BA for the Cards! Thank you Sox! Here's to beating you in the future.:beer:

I wish Lugo nothing but the Best.

[#1snake_fan]

well since we all knew that Ducan was going to Triple A cause he's Daddy isn't here to change his diaper when he throws a fit about not being in the Majors he's doing fine

and as far as Julio Jugo goes why are you talking like Boston is retarted for getting rid of him because he hit a Home Run and his hitting .300 in three games WOW ... i'll get the mold ready for his Hall Of Fame plaque ...
Oh wait he's only got two Homers on the season !? how can that be

Lugo sucked i never like him i knew Boston would regret signing him ... which they did so you can have him and when Boston trades the useless Duncan to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez then ask how's he doing

and as far as here's to beating us in the future ... NOT LIKELY 2004 we didn't trail an inning ... NOW WE HAVE BECKETT ... that isn't changing soon

[#1snake_fan]

i've heard that Boston is intrested in Victor Martinez as well as Toronto's Ace Roy Halladay and Theo Epstein has said that he wants to make an impact before Friday's 4:00pm deadline

Now lets see it from this side if Boston has to trade Clay Buchhulz and some other prospects then i say do it at all costs with some obvious exceptions like Pedroia , Pappelbon , Youkilis , Ellsbury, Beckett,Lester ,Dice - K but other then that it should be fair game to get an Ace like Halladay to get a rotation like this

Josh Beckett
Jon Lester
Roy Halladay
Diasuke Matsuzaka
Tim Wakefield

and as far as Martinez goes he's a good YOUNG catcher and a switch hitter like Tek and lets face it Tek isn't going to last forever so i think it's a smart move and i hope Boston can get it done.

IF BOSTON WANT'S TO BECOME 8 TIME WORLD SERIES CHAMPONS THEN THEY NEED TO ACT LIKE IT AND GET THE DEALS DONE ... CAUSE THE YANKEES WILL TO BECOME 26 TIME WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS

[Southstander]

I would not want to give up Lars Anderson. He is our future.


So far we are looking great tonight.

[#1snake_fan]

Lars may be the future but he isn't worth us not getting Halladay and the Yanks getting him and winning another championship that's what im saying and besides if we trade him now theres a chance we can get him back

[Southstander]

Lars may be the future but he isn't worth us not getting Halladay and the Yanks getting him and winning another championship that's what im saying and besides if we trade him now theres a chance we can get him back

In my book Lars is more important. I want more then one Title and he can lead us there. Besides if we trade him, he could later be traded to the Yankees.

[#1snake_fan]

south i disagree on what Lars may or may not bring us i will agree that he does have some impressive numbers in the MINORS which is a huge difference from the Majors i mean look at Buchhulz in the Minors he's a great pitcher in the Majors he's a kid who got lucky playing a team that had nothing to play for and he No Hit them since then he has done @#$% and is killing this rotation i never thought i would miss Wakefield in my life.

Lars Anderson maybe one of our top prospects but like you said south i want more then just one championship and i still say Halladay is the way we need to go

but on another note what do you think of the Sox trying to get Victor Martinez ? good move / Bad move / indifferent

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I am not a big fan of trading prospects. Let's face it Boston has traded away more then a few Hall of Famers chasing a ring. Pee Wee Reese, Pie Traynor, Jeff Bagwell, and Curt Schilling where in our farm system and we delt them. Trading for Halladay will not automaticly give us the WS before his contract is up. What if we don't win it in the next two years and we lose him and our prospects?


As far as Martinez goes we do need to get a younger Catcher since Tek cannot go forever.

[#1snake_fan]

you just kind of proved my point south cause we got Schilling back yeah it was later in his career and i agree that Halladay doesn't garrentee us a World Series Championship but it sure as hell helps ... right

Look i agree it's a big risk but look at from this side 2000 beat the Mets , 2001 Loose to Arizona , 2002 get eliminated by Anaheim , 2003 Loose to Florida , 2004 CHOKE to the Red Sox 4-3 ,2005 get eliminated again by Anaheim , 2006 get elimiated by Detroit :laugh::laugh::laugh:, (sorry that one still makes me laugh) 2007 Loose the DIVISION to the Red Sox get eliminated by Cleveland , Fired the best manager we ever had ...Hire some Jackass , 2008 get in a fight with The Rays & miss the Playoffs for the first time in 14 years . 2009 TIME FOR REVENGE AT ANY COST !!! C.C. Sabathia , A.J. Burnett , Mark Teixieira = $ 423,000,000

do we as Red Sox fans thin their scared to get rid of a few prospects ? i know i don't

IT'S THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ... IF THE RED SOX DON'T DUE SOMETHING FAST

[Southstander]

Mark Kotwsay was traded to the White Sox for Brian Anderson.

[Southstander]

you just kind of proved my point south cause we got Schilling back yeah it was later in his career and i agree that Halladay doesn't garrentee us a World Series Championship but it sure as hell helps ... right

Look i agree it's a big risk but look at from this side 2000 beat the Mets , 2001 Loose to Arizona , 2002 get eliminated by Anaheim , 2003 Loose to Florida , 2004 CHOKE to the Red Sox 4-3 ,2005 get eliminated again by Anaheim , 2006 get elimiated by Detroit :laugh::laugh::laugh:, (sorry that one still makes me laugh) 2007 Loose the DIVISION to the Red Sox get eliminated by Cleveland , Fired the best manager we ever had ...Hire some Jackass , 2008 get in a fight with The Rays & miss the Playoffs for the first time in 14 years . 2009 TIME FOR REVENGE AT ANY COST !!! C.C. Sabathia , A.J. Burnett , Mark Teixieira = $ 423,000,000

do we as Red Sox fans thin their scared to get rid of a few prospects ? i know i don't

IT'S THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ... IF THE RED SOX DON'T DUE SOMETHING FAST


But we did not get Resee, Traynor, or Bagwell back. It is too risky. If we would have had Schill the whole time we would have won a few more WS. 03 would would have been ours.

[Southstander]

The Stripes are eyeing Bronosn Arroyo.

[Southstander]

Could the Trades for Brian Anderson and Duncan be part of a plan to have extra Minor league players to deal?

[#1snake_fan]

that's an intresting point south ... Buchhulz , Duncan , Anderson ,Lowry , L Anderson for Roy Halladay ? Good enough to me

[Southstander]

that's an intresting point south ... Buchhulz , Duncan , Anderson ,Lowry , L Anderson for Roy Halladay ? Good enough to me

That would be a HORRIABLE DEAL! WAY over paying. I do want to see Manny Del-gascan go. He cost us the win tonight.

[#1snake_fan]

ummm i think Paps did he's the one who gave up 3 in the ninth

ok south hows this

Manny Delcarmen , ClayBuchhulz , Chris Duncan , Bryan Anderson , Jed Lowry

For Roy Halladay

[Southstander]

On Monday the Nationals Josh Willingham hit two grand slams in a game against the Brewers to help lead them to a 14-6 win. When I heard about it the first thing that came to my mind was that more then one Red Sox batter has done this amazing feat as well. The names that immediately leaped to my mind where Rudy York and Jim Tabor, and the got me to thinking if only 13 players have ever done this and the Red Sox have two of them we just might have the most players ever to do it. I did some quick research on my cell phone and as it turns out not only did York and Tabor do it, but so did Nomar and Bill Mueller. That puts Boston’s total number of player with two grand slams at four, and the most for any team in Major League History. Further research showed that today’s is the six year anniversary of Mueller’s twin slams. But that is not all Willingham had his on the 6th anniversary of Mueller having his two. Below you will find a brief recap of our four player’s games in which they double dipped:

Jim Tabor
On Independence Day of 1939 the Red Sox where at Shibe Park in Philadelphia to face the Athletics in a doubleheader, after winning the first game 17-7 in the first game Boston’s bats was primed and ready to have another big game in the second game. The first of Tabor’s grand slams came in the third inning off starting pitcher George Caster, then in the sixith inning he would give relief pitcher Lynn Nelson in the sixith inning the same treatment, his eight RBIs in the nitecap where more then enough to give Boston the 18-12 win. Tabor was the second person in Major League history to have the twin Grand Slams.


Rudy York
Rudy York’s two came on July 27th 1946 in the second game of a four games in St Louis with the Browns (The Browns would move to Baltimore in 1954). Red Sox bats got to starter Bob Muncrief early and drove him from the game. Both of York grand slams came of relief pitcher Tex Shirley, the first was in second inning and the second three innings later in the fifth. Boston would cruise to an easy 13-6 win. York was the third person in history to have two Grand Slams in the same game.

Nomar Garciaparra
It would be 53 years before another Red Sox would have the “dynamic duo” in the same game. The Seattle Mariners where in town for the first of a three game stand with the Red Sox in Boston. The M’s would jump out to a 1-0 lead after top half of the first inning, but the lead would not last long. In the home half of the inning with after leadoff hitter Jeff Frye and John Valentin each have a hit, Brett Hinchliffe would bean Brian Daubach to load the bases. Garciaparra would make that a very costly mistake with the first of his grand slams. Hinchliffe would be pulled after a short 2 1/3 innings of work in the third inning. His replacement, Ken Cloude did not much better after inheriting base runners and seeing four more runs tally in the third he lasted only 4 2/3 innings leaving the game in the eight inning. That is when Nomar would strike again this time it is Eric Weaver that has to stand on the mound watching another ball sail into the New England night. Garciaparra was the 11th player, and the first and only to have two grand slam in one game at FenwayPark.

Bill Mueller

On July 29th 2003 Boston began a six game road trip with a three game stand with the Rangers at The Ballpark in Arlington. Texas would score a run in each of the first innings of starter Tim Wakefield to jump to a quick 3-1 run lead. Wake would make it to the sixith inning before being lifted with the Red Sox down 4-2. His Texas counterpart R.A. ****ey only made it 5 innings giving way to mid-releiver Erasmo Ramirez would not give up a run in his 1 1/3 innings of work. The Rangers would make a two more pitching to bring in Aaron Fultz in for the seventh inning, and that is when Mueller would have the first of his grand slams, with two outs in a seven run inning for the BoSox. This would cause the Rangers to send in Jay Powell for the eight inning, one again Mueller would clear the bases for his second grand slam of the night, this time from the other side of the plate. Not only is Mueller’s the only player to hit grand slams from both side of the plate, he two game later in a game the any other player.


Surprisingly not one major news outlet has pointed out the Willingham had has on the 63rd anniversary of York’s two grand slam game. So remember you heard it here first. Boston’s connection to two grand slams does not end there, the first of Willingham two came off our old friend Jeff Suppan. Suppan played for Boston from 1995-1997 and 2003. Also when Robin Ventura did it in 1995 he did it of for Red Sox pitcher (1991-1994) Danny Darwin.

[Southstander]

ummm i think Paps did he's the one who gave up 3 in the ninth

ok south hows this

Manny Delcarmen , ClayBuchhulz , Chris Duncan , Bryan Anderson , Jed Lowry

For Roy Halladay

You are right it was Paps that blew the save :brick:

and the Yanks lost, so we could have gain ground :brick:


ESPN is reporting the Clay is part of a three player deal we have offered so I guess I can't argue your deal.

[Southstander]

Man we need to stop the bleeding. I about at the point that if the Jays want Pedroia, Papplebon, Youk, Beckett and Lester for Halladay do it.

[#1snake_fan]

i'm not there yet but i'm pretty close this is BULL **** we are 3 1/2 games back now LAST NIGHT WE HAD THE GAME WON but NICK GREEN has two costly ERRORS and we loose why didn't BOSTON go after NOMAR ???? he's a legend and is obvisly still loved by the NATION i know by me ... Thanks for everything Nomar :salute:

but LIKE I SAID IT'S GETTING TO THAT POINT (TICK TOCK ... TICK TOCK ) IS EPSTEIN THE GREAT GM HE GETS CREDIT FOR CAUSE IF HE IS THEN MAKE THE DAMN TRADE GIVE THEM WHAT EVER THEY WANT AND MAKE SMOLTS A RELIEVER ALREADY ... LIKE WAKEFIELD & BUCHHULZ LAST YEAR ALL HE IS BRINGING IS A LOSS EVERY 5 GAMES AND AS WE CAN ALL SEE THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK


Diasuke Matsuzaka has been talking to Japanese reporters *****ing about how the Sox are treating his rehab ... Daisuke listen you really haven't proven your worth what they paid for you yet ... You lied to Boston officials by going to Japan and telling them that you would watch your pitch counts and not wear yourself thin ... IF IT WASN'T FOR THE RED SOX YOU'D STILL BE EATING SUSHI AND PITCHING IN A SIX TEAM LEAGUE ... SHOW SOME RESPECT (ISN'T THAT BIG IN YOUR COUNTRY) AND SHUT THE #$%^ UP OR I'LL SAY THEY SHOULD TRADE YOU FOR HALLADAY TOO.

[Southstander]

i'm not there yet but i'm pretty close this is BULL **** we are 3 1/2 games back now LAST NIGHT WE HAD THE GAME WON but NICK GREEN has two costly ERRORS and we loose why didn't BOSTON go after NOMAR ???? he's a legend and is obvisly still loved by the NATION i know by me ... Thanks for everything Nomar :salute:

but LIKE I SAID IT'S GETTING TO THAT POINT (TICK TOCK ... TICK TOCK ) IS EPSTEIN THE GREAT GM HE GETS CREDIT FOR CAUSE IF HE IS THEN MAKE THE DAMN TRADE GIVE THEM WHAT EVER THEY WANT AND MAKE SMOLTS A RELIEVER ALREADY ... LIKE WAKEFIELD & BUCHHULZ LAST YEAR ALL HE IS BRINGING IS A LOSS EVERY 5 GAMES AND AS WE CAN ALL SEE THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK


Diasuke Matsuzaka has been talking to Japanese reporters *****ing about how the Sox are treating his rehab ... Daisuke listen you really haven't proven your worth what they paid for you yet ... You lied to Boston officials by going to Japan and telling them that you would watch your pitch counts and not wear yourself thin ... IF IT WASN'T FOR THE RED SOX YOU'D STILL BE EATING SUSHI AND PITCHING IN A SIX TEAM LEAGUE ... SHOW SOME RESPECT (ISN'T THAT BIG IN YOUR COUNTRY) AND SHUT THE #$%^ UP OR I'LL SAY THEY SHOULD TRADE YOU FOR HALLADAY TOO.

He is a Multi/Multi Millionare because of Boston. He needs to SHUT THE HECK UP!!!!! I wonder if he knew that it was what he did with Team Japan, doing things his way, that hurt his arm. The Next WBC we sould tell ALL or players not just no, but



HELL NO!!!!


I would be down to trade him. After all we traded Manny for the same type of things.

[#1snake_fan]

exactly if these guys aren't happy here then get the F out ... Boston prove they could still win without Man Ram and believe me we could do it without Dice - K

Reasons why Dice -K could be traded (and if it comes down to Halladay or nothing then he should be)

1. Lying to the Red Sox about how he would pitch in the WBC

2. Forgetting his place and running his mouth

3. Apparently like all other Japanese star pitchers 2 years is there max and their never the same .

4. with the exception of last year he's kind of been a bust i mean in his first season here i think he was 15-12 with a 4.40 Era and wasn't that good in the post season

i don't want the Sox to trade him but if he keeps running his mouth then something needs to be done

Ortiz I KNEW YOU WERE ON SOMETHING AND EVERYTIME YOU SAID"TEST ME I'M CLEAN" JUST CAUSE THE RESULTS WHERE SUPOSSED TO BE CONFIDENTIAL DOESN'T MAKE YOU CLEAN.

[Southstander]

Sox get the comeback win 8-5. With Ortiz hitting the winning home run. :laugh::salute:

[#1snake_fan]

with the Indians apparently having a fire sell i wonder what Boston would have to give to get Sizemore ? as well as Martinez

[Southstander]

and Carmona

[#1snake_fan]

the Red Sox are trying to make a deal

So if all goes according to plan this is how it will go down

Cleveland
Gets Clay Buchhulz & Prospects

Boston
Gets Victor Martinez & Prospects

now that seems fine and dandy but heres the problem the Red Sox want to trade Adam LaRoche to a third party but with little contending teams in the market for a first basemen the options are pretty slim so what would you do ... and the only reason why the Sox are trying to trade him are because they need the line up space for another bat.

[Southstander]

the Red Sox are trying to make a deal

So if all goes according to plan this is how it will go down

Cleveland
Gets Clay Buchhulz & Prospects

Boston
Gets Victor Martinez & Prospects

now that seems fine and dandy but heres the problem the Red Sox want to trade Adam LaRoche to a third party but with little contending teams in the market for a first basemen the options are pretty slim so what would you do ... and the only reason why the Sox are trying to trade him are because they need the line up space for another bat.

When LaRoche was with LA he was a third baseman so there is flexability in the trade market there. Maybe Theo realised that LaRoche is weak in the head and can wilt under the spot light.


My question is what will happen with Tek.

[#1snake_fan]

i would think that Boston will have them spilt time behind the plate and then next year Martinez will become our primare catcher and they probably wont pick up his (Tek) option

well we didn't get Halladay but niether did New York

[#1snake_fan]

who wants to know why Boston didn't get Roy Halladay ?

BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT GET RID OF DANIEL BARD A RELIEVER AND CLAY #$%^ING BUCHHOLZ

GOOD JOB THEO :confused::brick:

[Peerless]

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[Southstander]

who wants to know why Boston didn't get Roy Halladay ?

BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT GET RID OF DANIEL BARD A RELIEVER AND CLAY #$%^ING BUCHHOLZ

GOOD JOB THEO :confused::brick:

This is not a game of MLB 2K9, nor is it fantasty baseball. Just because you hate Buchholz does not mean there is a real Value to him.

[Southstander]

Peerless you are an idiot. You can make a case against everyteam since 1989 when the steriod era began. Futher more the same could be said for the live ball era, deadball era, and when it was segereated. You sound like Charger fan complaining about the salary cap violations the Broncos had in 97 & 98.

[licence_to_kill]

Peerless you are an idiot. You can make a case against everyteam since 1989 when the steriod era began. Futher more the same could be said for the live ball era, deadball era, and when it was segereated. You sound like Charger fan complaining about the salary cap violations the Broncos had in 97 & 98.

Huh? Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Im not going to bash the Sox but unlike the salary cap thing this has a direct impact with on the field performance.

[Southstander]

Huh? Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Im not going to bash the Sox but unlike the salary cap thing this has a direct impact with on the field performance.

You're right. Breaking the rules so you can keep you big name players, and have stay with your team has NO impact on your team performance on the field. ::rolleyes:

[Southstander]

For the second day in a row, David Ortiz has a HUGE home run in the Red Sox win of the Orlioles.

Boston 6, Baltimore 5

Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Ellsbury, CF 5 2 3 1 0 0 2 .302
Pedroia, 2B 4 0 1 0 0 2 2 .300
Youkilis, 1B 4 2 3 2 0 0 1 .301
Ortiz, D, DH 4 1 2 2 0 1 2 .231
Bay, LF 3 1 1 0 1 0 1 .251
Lowell, 3B 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 .295
Varitek, C 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 .236
Baldelli, RF 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 .257
a-Red****, PH-RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Green, N, SS 3 0 0 1 0 1 0 .240
Totals 34 6 11 6 2 5 12

a-Grounded out for Baldelli in the 9th.

BATTING
HR: Ortiz, D (15, 3rd inning off Guthrie, 1 on, 1 out), Ellsbury (6, 5th inning off Guthrie, 0 on, 0 out), Youkilis (18, 7th inning off Guthrie, 1 on, 2 out).
TB: Ellsbury 6; Pedroia; Youkilis 6; Ortiz, D 5; Bay; Lowell.
RBI: Green, N (32), Ortiz, D 2 (60), Ellsbury (35), Youkilis 2 (61).
2-out RBI: Youkilis 2.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Ortiz, D; Ellsbury.
SF: Green, N.
GIDP: Lowell.
Team RISP: 0-for-4.
Team LOB: 4.

BASERUNNING
SB: Ellsbury (47, 2nd base off Guthrie/Wieters).
CS: Pedroia (6, 2nd base by Guthrie/Wieters).

FIELDING
E: Green, N (12, throw), Ramirez, R (1, throw).
DP: 2 (Smoltz-Pedroia-Youkilis, Lowell-Pedroia-Youkilis).


Boston IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Smoltz (W, 2-4) 6.0 8 5 5 0 2 2 7.12
Ramirez, R (H, 10) 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.23
Okajima (H, 20) 1.0 0 0 0 2 1 0 3.16
Papelbon (S, 27) 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 2.00

[licence_to_kill]

You're right. Breaking the rules so you can keep you big name players, and have stay with your team has NO impact on your team performance on the field. ::rolleyes:

Ok, the broncos did cheat to win their superbowls. Fine by me.

[Southstander]

ltk, the was not my point. My point was that people where taking potshots at the Red Sox and putting them down try to make themselves fell better that their team lost. Chargers and Raiders fans bring up the cap problem to try to take away from our back to back Super Bowls. Now other fans are the same type of shots at the Red Sox now.

[Southstander]

Pedroia just homered.:salute:

Victor Martiez is making his first start for Boston at First.

[Southstander]

The Red Sox shut out the O's 4-0, and make up three game in three days!:salute!:

[Southstander]

We better take down the Rays.

[Apoc13]

hey south nice to see you back

i took a little time off from the site as well....i got tired of all the orton/cutler crap....but with the preseason starting i'm back

these next 6 games are big....if we come home 3-3 i'll be ok with that

[Apoc13]

sox are 2-12 in their last 14 at tampa

[Southstander]

I was good to be back untill the animals here kept taking pot shots at Manny and Ortiz.

[Southstander]

Our bull pen Exploeded once again.:sad:

[Southstander]

We are on National TV tonight. We better win.

[Apoc13]

I was good to be back untill the animals here kept taking pot shots at Manny and Ortiz.

you can't let that bother you...almost everybody used back then...it was the culture...every championship team, both winning and losing, for the last 20 years has players that used

before roids they cheated in other ways....tomorrow it'll be yet something else....when this much money is involved and technology is as advanced as it is, it's impossible to avoid

[Southstander]

you can't let that bother you...almost everybody used back then...it was the culture...every championship team, both winning and losing, for the last 20 years has players that used

before roids they cheated in other ways....tomorrow it'll be yet something else....when this much money is involved and technology is as advanced as it is, it's impossible to avoid

That is the problem. A lot of players where using. Every team has at least one player if not more. Yet these jackles still find cause to bump their gums. Even after they no it tickes me off. One idiot is luck I am a Chirstian, or I could fight back in a way the will anger him as much as has done to me. But it forever ruin his life.

[Southstander]

Sox have an early 1-0 lead. But we have been here recently and blown it.

[Southstander]

Once again we blow an early lead.

[#1snake_fan]

Boston vs . New York


John Smolts v. Joba Chamberlein



with smolts on the bump tonight we need or bullpen to be just that ... Our bull pen


isn't it funny how beckett and sabathia haven't pitched against each other this season ? What's the matter ny you know that beckett's the best in the east

[Southstander]

This is why we signed Smotlz. Big games in August.

[#1snake_fan]

yeah but Smolts has been nothing but a disapointment and we can't afford to loose anymore ground with Tampa Bay coming on strong .

we need good outings from Lester , Penny , Buchholz (Not Likely) we've come this far and to have it slip away but so far like i've said it's shaping out how it should ... New York V. Boston ...

MAN I CAN'T WAIT FOR SOXTOBER :salute!:

[Southstander]

Same here bro!!!

Soxtober> Rocktober

[Southstander]

Smoltz needs to GO! :fight: :brick: :fight:

[Bronco51]

Smoltz needs to GO! :fight: :brick: :fight:

Lefties went 9-13!!!!! He will not pitch against this team in the playoffs. I wonder if it will be Teixeira or A-Rod who gets plunked tomorrow. Throwing inside to Pedroia up 7 is nothing but intimidation. Someone better get drilled tomorrow early or the Yankees have their cojones.

[licence_to_kill]

We are on National TV tonight. We better win.

Weren't on here.

[#1snake_fan]

i couldn't agree more south i've that the John Smolts experiment has failed he isn't the pitcher he once was ... Boston is looking for the next Schilling ... and look at us now 3 1/2 games back when we where not even a game back 3 days ago and now we're 3 1/2 enough Cut Smolts ... no one else wants him and if they do it wont hurt us


was it Joba who threw at Pedy ? ... it probably was he's the only ***** who throws at people when he has a lead and none of his players have been hit.

[Southstander]

Maybe, and I mean MAYBE move his old butt to the pen. He is good for three innings.

[#1snake_fan]

you know that if Boston's going to piss away the season then why don't they call up Tazawa ? or bring back Dice - K if were just going to give away wins and games to everyone else in the league ?

Smolts needs to go this is enough already he has only lasted six innings as his longest game of the season and still gives up like seven runs a game enough ... he is a Hall OF Famer ... but one that has stayed around for too LONG

Tonight

Beckett V. Burnett should be the best game of the series

Josh Beckett : has had the season that made him the Cy Young runner up in 2007 (which was bogas) and has been Boston's best starter all year . and has owned the Yankees over his career

A.J. Burnett : has had the season that i think most people didn't expect and has proved to be just as valiable to the Yanks as C.C. has ... or maybe a little bit better but with Burnett comes the chance of him getting hit and getting hit hard .


I HOPE SO

[Apoc13]

smoltz appears to be gone...reports are circulating that he's left new york for his home in atlanta...no word if he's retired, been cut or what

[Apoc13]

roster moves today...

traber sent back to pawtucket

tazawa called up (2.57era, 1.08whip at aa)

ss chris woodward acquired from mariners (career .243/.298/.371)

[Apoc13]

and smoltz has been officially designated for assignment

[#1snake_fan]

wow that was weird ...

I asked if Boston was going to piss away the season ... by not getting rid of Smolts and then i said they should call up Tazawa ... and they did ... so does that mean Boston reads my post's on this site ? ... well not all of them apparently since they still have Buchholz and we don't have Halladay

[Southstander]

NA NA NA NA ! NA NA NA NA! HEY HEY GOODBYE!


Sanke I was think the same thing about Tazawa. (Scary aint it.):salute:

[Southstander]

Man I hate A-Rod. :fight:

[#1snake_fan]

very scary my friend :salute!:

so i was thinking ... with Jason Varitek being 37 and even though he is having a much better year then he did last year ( MUCH BETTER) i'm wondering how much longer is Tek going to be our backstop ?

Victor Martinez is without a doubt an upgrade atleast offensively and not to mention he can fill in at DH and first base when needed to i think that Varitek's days behind the plate are done atleast in Boston ...:sad: Thanks for everything Cap

i know that it's a duel option on his contract for next season and if he opts to stay then he'll make 5 million but if the Sox want him to stay he'll make 3 million i say he'll want to stay but Boston may release him ... i doubt Tek will play second fiddle to anyone

[CoryWinget81]

How do you guys feel about Papi's denial, and then Weiners denial?

Nope, we cant just say sorry and move on, we gotta keep dragging it on.

sheesh.

[Southstander]

How do you guys feel about Papi's denial, and then Weiners denial?

Nope, we cant just say sorry and move on, we gotta keep dragging it on.

sheesh.

Is he not entitled to the benifit of the doubt? Or is that only if the player is on your team, or the ones you like? If it is true he did not intentional take PEDs what else is he supposed to say? I have not heard the entire press confrence, from what I have heard is that he does admit to taking alot of leagal supplements, but not knowing what is in them. To me that is very forth right and honest. Besides Papi has said he was sorry.

[licence_to_kill]

Is he not entitled to the benifit of the doubt?

Nope, sorry.

[Southstander]

very scary my friend :salute!:

so i was thinking ... with Jason Varitek being 37 and even though he is having a much better year then he did last year ( MUCH BETTER) i'm wondering how much longer is Tek going to be our backstop ?

Victor Martinez is without a doubt an upgrade atleast offensively and not to mention he can fill in at DH and first base when needed to i think that Varitek's days behind the plate are done atleast in Boston ...:sad: Thanks for everything Cap

i know that it's a duel option on his contract for next season and if he opts to stay then he'll make 5 million but if the Sox want him to stay he'll make 3 million i say he'll want to stay but Boston may release him ... i doubt Tek will play second fiddle to anyone


I hate to see him go. But I think the writing is on the wall by getting Martinez. Maybe he can be a bench coach.

[CoryWinget81]

Is he not entitled to the benifit of the doubt? Or is that only if the player is on your team, or the ones you like? If it is true he did not intentional take PEDs what else is he supposed to say? I have not heard the entire press confrence, from what I have heard is that he does admit to taking alot of leagal supplements, but not knowing what is in them. To me that is very forth right and honest. Besides Papi has said he was sorry.

I'm a Rockies fan, and I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop about Helton (among others) juicing. If Helton lies about it (which he won't, because he actually has some class) I'll let him have it too.

Thats the lamest excuse in the world.

"Oh...uh...I took all of these supplements, and I didn't know what was in them"

Lame. Sorry, but it is. Manny is a clown, but at least he admitted it, took his punishment and moved on.

Of course you think he's telling the truth, hes Big Papi. But, you could see it on his face that he was lying. Another reason why I think he's a big FAT liar? Because it took him almost a week to respond.

I think it's hilarious A-Rod and Giambi got treated like a leper for even being MENTIONED in the same sentence as PED's, but Ortiz gets on tv and lies to everyone, and its "Oh, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

/rant

Im watching the game right now, and I cant believe they tossed Ramirez. They threw at Pedroia TWICE in the same at bat, and the dude didnt get ejected, but a ball gets away from a Boston pitcher, and the Ump is tossing him before the ball even reaches the batter. Absolutely stupid. This is why I hate the Yankees more than any team in baseball.

[Southstander]

Nope, sorry.

Why is that? Or are you just trying to be unfunny.

[#1snake_fan]

yeah i think that tossing Ramirez was Bull @##% cause not only did they throw at Pedroia twice but they hit him on the second pitch thrown at him one hits A-Rod oh your gone


about David Ortiz i wont say he's innocent but to say A-Rod is the Better of the two because he ADDMITTED to using Roids ? first of all no he didn't he got caught just like Ortiz did after years and years of lying to the fans SCREW A-Fraud

now to the Matter at hand ... Monday 8/3/09 . 1/2 game back Saturday 8/8/09 5 1/2 games back :hammer: and not only have we gone from 8-0 against the Yankees to 8-3 but they've out scored us 20-6 in the series so far were one loss away from being swept by two AL EAST teams in one week and now it's still

New York

Boston

enough is enough ( sad thing is i can't blame it all on Clay today )

[jcdavey]

yeah i think that tossing Ramirez was Bull @##% cause not only did they throw at Pedroia twice but they hit him on the second pitch thrown at him one hits A-Rod oh your gone


about David Ortiz i wont say he's innocent but to say A-Rod is the Better of the two because he ADDMITTED to using Roids ? first of all no he didn't he got caught just like Ortiz did after years and years of lying to the fans SCREW A-Fraud

now to the Matter at hand ... Monday 8/3/09 . 1/2 game back Saturday 8/8/09 5 1/2 games back :hammer: and not only have we gone from 8-0 against the Yankees to 8-3 but they've out scored us 20-6 in the series so far were one loss away from being swept by two AL EAST teams in one week and now it's still

New York

Boston

enough is enough ( sad thing is i can't blame it all on Clay today )it appears arod needed roids less than ortiz lol

[licence_to_kill]

Why is that? Or are you just trying to be unfunny.

He's not entitled to the benefit of the doubt. Don't know how can I be more clear about that...

[Southstander]

And I don't thing I can any clearer. Why is he not entitled to the benifit of the doubt? He is an American Cititzen. He has not broken any laws. If he tested positive for andro it was a LEGAL suplement, both in US law and the Laws of Baseball. Remember Romo, and Elway where on all manner of substances from EAS.

[licence_to_kill]

This isn't a court of law, its public opinion. Even before the test came out it was pretty much accepted that Ortiz was a juicer.

[Southstander]

Excpeted by who? Most National commentators where suprised

[Southstander]

Man I hate A-Rod

[Bronco51]

Your bullpen is slipping. Why not bring in Papelbon in the 8th? I would think they would just use him for 2 innings considering the weight of the game.

[jcdavey]

Your bullpen is slipping. Why not bring in Papelbon in the 8th? I would think they would just use him for 2 innings considering the weight of the game.red sox knew their pen was problematic

that's why they tried to deal for heath bell

okami or whatever his name is in the 7th, bell in the 8th, and paps in the 9th would have been amazing

[DevilSpawn]

that... felt pretty good for a change.

I expected a split in this series.

[jcdavey]

that... felt pretty good for a change.

I expected a split in this series.yanks starting pitching actually looks dangerous this year

[#1snake_fan]

South i understand wanting to defened Ortiz but ... come on man i excepted it before i knew he was because look at his numbers in Seattle and Minnesota he was horrible and i mean Horrible then he comes to Boston and he's one of the best Clutch hitter of our generation ? yeah right ...


THE SOX NEED A SURGICAL OPERATION TO PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES ... NOW

[Southstander]

snake I think there is more to Ortiz's power surge then just the supliments he took. He had more protection and Fenway is a much different place then HHH's Metrodome.


~~~~~

I am mixed right now. Part of me thinks we still can fight our way back. The other part says start looking at next year. If we do not start to turn around, it will be a long winter with the Broncos and Avs set to have rough seasons.

[#1snake_fan]

i would agree ... but i don't if it was the fact that he hit something like 21 in minnesota (he did) then 30 in Boston ... fine but he hit 43 then 54 then 35 then 23 now 15 ? come on it clear he cheated



as for as next year goes we would be in this mess if Boston would "Yank UP" and do what they needed to do to get the job done and gotten Halladay then our rotation would be fine and we'd still have Justin Masterson and why the Hell is CLAY BUCHHOLZ off limits ? huh why BIG F'N deal he threw a NO HITTER ... TWO YEARS AGO ... WOW Baseball like in life is what have you done for me lately ? and his answer ... NOTHING BUT SUCK i still think that Boston might win the Wild Card and the ALCS will be the Yankees V. Red Sox


As far as the Broncos and Avs go ... I'll take your word on the Broncos cause I'm BOYCOTTING THE NFL this year or until they make it ILLEGAL FOR MURDERERS OF ANYKIND TO PLAY IN THE NFL and Micheal Vick isn't the only Murderer ... right Mr. Stallworth ? . and as far as Hockey goes ...



GO SHARKS !!!!

[Southstander]

i would agree ... but i don't if it was the fact that he hit something like 21 in minnesota (he did) then 30 in Boston ... fine but he hit 43 then 54 then 35 then 23 now 15 ? come on it clear he cheated



as for as next year goes we would be in this mess if Boston would "Yank UP" and do what they needed to do to get the job done and gotten Halladay then our rotation would be fine and we'd still have Justin Masterson and why the Hell is CLAY BUCHHOLZ off limits ? huh why BIG F'N deal he threw a NO HITTER ... TWO YEARS AGO ... WOW Baseball like in life is what have you done for me lately ? and his answer ... NOTHING BUT SUCK i still think that Boston might win the Wild Card and the ALCS will be the Yankees V. Red Sox


As far as the Broncos and Avs go ... I'll take your word on the Broncos cause I'm BOYCOTTING THE NFL this year or until they make it

ILLEGAL FOR MURDERERS OF ANYKIND TO PLAY IN THE NFL and Micheal Vick

isn't the only Murderer ... right Mr. Stallworth ? . and as far as Hockey goes ...



GO SHARKS !!!!


Don't get me started on the piece of human waste Stallworth

[Southstander]

Years ago when I was just in elementary school I would spend hot Colorado summer days at the local summing pools. One trip in particular stands out in my mind. As the day at the pool was coming to an end, I was dared to see if I could touch the bottom of the deep end with my feet. Not knowing what was about to happen next I gladly took up the challenge. I shot straight down and tapped the rough bottom, and on my way back up a hand started to push down on my head. No matter how much a trashed about trying in vain to once again fill my lung with oxygen, I could not reach the surface. Even though I was only a few inches away from breaking though, I was stuck where I was. Thankfully a near by lifeguard yelled over to the person holding me down to let me up. Years later when I look back on it, my lungs still tighten up and I find it hard to breath. After watching the way the Red Sox have been playing the past few weeks, it would seem that they too are just under the surface of the American League East unable to break through. We need to have a lifeguard yell out and save our season before we drown. It is as important to find out where we are in the water as it is to find out what is keeping up there.

One of our key flaws right now is our pitching both the starting rotation and our bullpen. I think a key reason we are struggling is the off season signing of John Smotlz. It is clear right now that he hung around for one year longer then his body would allow him too. Much like Willie May stumbling around the outfield for the Mets, a broken down Broadway Joe unable to avoid the rush with the Rams and more recently the on again off again retirements of one Brett Favre. Some athletes do not want to admit that it is over. They feel that they have to prove that their old team wrong about them, that they still have “it”. Unfortunately for the Red Sox, Smoltz’s best years where behind him. He would start eight games with 40 innings pitched, posting an 8.32 ERA with a 2-5 record. The other game he pitched in was the 11-10 loss to the Orioles. While he was not on the mound he only lasted a brief for innings, which put a strain on our bullpen. With the Red Sox 6 ½ games behind the Yankees, the six games the he started that ended in losses are game we all would love to have back. I am not saying the if we started a different pitcher we would have won all six of the games, but even winning three of them would go along way into help us close the gap.

Sadly having him in the rotation may have been far more costly the just six games. The promise that he could be the Smotlz of old may have caused management to no pursue a frontline starting pitcher at the trade deadline. Had we not gambled and lost with Smotlz we could have gone after Cliff Lee or maybe even Roy Holladay. With Dice-K out until September 1st at the earliest and Tim Wakefield still having back pains we are in a deep longing for a solid pitcher to hold down our rotation. A struggling rotation has put undue strain on our bullpen, which has cost us more then one close game.


Or other major problem is the power outage at the plate. We are not scoring enough runs to give the besieged pitchers room to work with. As much as I love and respect all the David Ortiz and Mike Lowell have done for us they are no longer spring chickens, and they might not be with us next year. The trade for Victor Martinez will help to elevate some of the problems he cannot do it on his own. Terry Francona need to use him and the rest of our bats as best as he can. That means not putting Kevin Youkilis in left field. With Jason Bay and J.D. Drew struggling at the plate other players are trying to hard to get that big hit. We need to relax at the plate more, not try make up lost runs in one big swing.

If you look back at the games since the All Star break in most of them we had the lead but could not hold on to it. Even in the resent four in New York, other then the first game blow out by Smotlz, we held the big bats of the Yankees down in their new hitters park. Much like I was almost two and half decade ago we are so close to breaking through. It will not be easy but we can do it. If any team can do it we are that team. The time for wringing of hands is over. A line in the sand must be drawn. In the past other teams have been more games back with fewer to play and they have come back, and they did not have half the talent we have. I remember the 2004 ALCS, how all the odds where against us. Even before game four started our players where wishing the Yankees player good luck in the upcoming Word Series. Everyone counted us out, that is everyone but us. We looked in the mirror and “Cowboy’d Up” and we staged the greatest comeback in the history of baseball, and we can do it again. Less then a month ago we had the best record in the American League. Our pen was solid as a rock, and our rotation was the deepest in all of baseball. Our bats could keep us in any game. I have news for you we still are that team.

Yes our backs are against the wall, but would you have it any other way?

[Apoc13]

red sox knew their pen was problematic

that's why they tried to deal for heath bell

okami or whatever his name is in the 7th, bell in the 8th, and paps in the 9th would have been amazing

huh? you're either trolling or clueless...bell would be nice but the sox wanted gonzalez and since the padres were shopping bell too may as well throw him into the mix

the sox have 5 legitimate 8th inning guys... okijima, bard, delcarmen, ramirez and saito...far more solid relievers than any other team in the league and they even traded away masterson which gave them 6 quality setup guys

occasionally though the guy you throw out there doesn;t have it, like bard last night

[Apoc13]

One of our key flaws right now is our pitching both the starting rotation and our bullpen.

what's wrong with the pen? bard had a bad night, it happens

the only other two 'relievers' that had a bad series were gonzalez and traber...who were both called up just because the pen had been so depleted....and maybe tazawa but again he was called up due to all the work the bullpen had and he's a rook walking into yankee stadium in a scoreless game in the 14th inning. i'm gonna give him a pass.....the other guys aren't even on the roster anymore and tazawa has been moved into smoltz's spot in the rotation

the sox are fine...no time to panic..they lost 4 close games (3 they should have won) on this 6 game slide...that's just the way the breaks go sometimes

[Apoc13]

I am mixed right now. Part of me thinks we still can fight our way back. The other part says start looking at next year. If we do not start to turn around, it will be a long winter with the Broncos and Avs set to have rough seasons.

you've got to be kidding

after the longest losing streak of the season we're still tied for the wildcard lead...you think we're not gonna win another game this year?

sorry but the doom and gloom drives me insane...especially when we still have a 1/3rd of the season left to play...the offense has collectively gone into a slump, when they all start hitting (and they will) the team will be back to their winning ways...the starting pitching hasn't been great but wakefield will be back and so will dice-k eventually...smoltz is gone, buchholz didn't pitch too bad against the yanks in a pressure packed situation, hopefully he uses that to his advantage and penny, while not great, is serviceable...and we still have possibly the best 1-2 in beckett and lester

still a lot of season left

[Apoc13]

yanks starting pitching actually looks dangerous this year

eh...they have no #5 starter and while the other 4 can all be very good at times, they are also inconsistent, joba especially so...after spending a gazillon dollars to upgrade the staff they're much better but they don;t scare me...the offense, when playing in yankee stadium, is another story

[MyOrangeCrush]

A-ROD with an A-Bomb on that three game sweep...hahahhhahahahahahha
Yankees baby the yanks.......

[Apoc13]

A-ROD with an A-Bomb on that three game sweep...hahahhhahahahahahha
Yankees baby the yanks.......

:rolleyes: talk to us in october

[Southstander]

what's wrong with the pen? bard had a bad night, it happens

the only other two 'relievers' that had a bad series were gonzalez and traber...who were both called up just because the pen had been so depleted....and maybe tazawa but again he was called up due to all the work the bullpen had and he's a rook walking into yankee stadium in a scoreless game in the 14th inning. i'm gonna give him a pass.....the other guys aren't even on the roster anymore and tazawa has been moved into smoltz's spot in the rotation

the sox are fine...no time to panic..they lost 4 close games (3 they should have won) on this 6 game slide...that's just the way the breaks go sometimes

You answered your own question.

[Apoc13]

You answered your own question.

you made it sound as if they were performing poorly...they've pitched well, it's just that they had those two long games where everybody had to go

[Southstander]

you've got to be kidding

after the longest losing streak of the season we're still tied for the wildcard lead...you think we're not gonna win another game this year?

sorry but the doom and gloom drives me insane...especially when we still have a 1/3rd of the season left to play...the offense has collectively gone into a slump, when they all start hitting (and they will) the team will be back to their winning ways...the starting pitching hasn't been great but wakefield will be back and so will dice-k eventually...smoltz is gone, buchholz didn't pitch too bad against the yanks in a pressure packed situation, hopefully he uses that to his advantage and penny, while not great, is serviceable...and we still have possibly the best 1-2 in beckett and lester

still a lot of season left

That is way I said I am mixed. We have all the potential you talked about, the key is WHEN we turn it around just is much as IF we will turn it around. As I said earlier, rigth now our backs are against the wall, and now is the time to start winning once again.

[Southstander]

A-ROD with an A-Bomb on that three game sweep...hahahhhahahahahahha
Yankees baby the yanks.......

Where were you only a few weeks ago?

[Southstander]

you made it sound as if they were performing poorly...they've pitched well, it's just that they had those two long games where everybody had to go

Look back at how many games we had the lead in, and lost the game.

[Apoc13]

That is way I said I am mixed. We have all the potential you talked about, the key is WHEN we turn it around just is much as IF we will turn it around. As I said earlier, rigth now our backs are against the wall, and now is the time to start winning once again.

if this were a young team i'd worry but they're all a proven veterans at this point...every guy in the lineup, with the exception of shortstop, will hit

[Southstander]

if this were a young team i'd worry but they're all a proven veterans at this point...every guy in the lineup, with the exception of shortstop, will hit

I sure hope you are right.

[Apoc13]

two batters and it's 2-0 sox

[#1snake_fan]

"An A bomb from A-Rod" wow one meaningless Homer from a Roider ...

and like he said TALK IN OCTOBER ... does 2004 sound familar ??? cause A-Fraud hit like 4 "A-Bombs" and yet THE SOX WALKED AWAY WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS ... in fact A-Rod was a Yankee in 2007 & 2008 ... but yet the Yankees havn't WON the WORLD SERIES YET ???? :confused: how has that happened THEY HAVE A-ROD !!!!


boy i'm glad that THE NEW YORK YANKEES HAVE ALEX RODRIGUEZ :laugh::laugh:


... CAUSE IT SUCKS HAVIN TWO WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 4 YEARS

oh and NEWS FLASH YANKEES FANS IT'S 8-4 NOW SO GOOD JOB

[Southstander]

"An A bomb from A-Rod" wow one meaningless Homer from a Roider ...

and like he said TALK IN OCTOBER ... does 2004 sound familar ??? cause A-Fraud hit like 4 "A-Bombs" and yet THE SOX WALKED AWAY WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS ... in fact A-Rod was a Yankee in 2007 & 2008 ... but yet the Yankees havn't WON the WORLD SERIES YET ???? :confused: how has that happened THEY HAVE A-ROD !!!!


boy i'm glad that THE NEW YORK YANKEES HAVE ALEX RODRIGUEZ :laugh::laugh:


... CAUSE IT SUCKS HAVIN TWO WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 4 YEARS

oh and NEWS FLASH YANKEES FANS IT'S 8-4 NOW SO GOOD JOB



With Arroyo, Ortiz and Manny all using PED, we are the last team to bring out the Roids crack.

[Southstander]

Apoc13 tell me again how our pen is not a problem.

[#1snake_fan]

well with ...

Andy Petit

Rodger Clemens

Alex Rodriguez

Jason Giambi

Bernie Williams

Gary Shefield

David Wells

On the List as known users then Yankees Fan should shut the **** up too . but they wont so i wont

[Southstander]

well with ...

Andy Petit

Rodger Clemens

Alex Rodriguez

Jason Giambi

Bernie Williams

Gary Shefield

David Wells

On the List as known users then Yankees Fan should shut up too . but they wont so i wont

But we are better fans then they are! So lets act like it.


SOX WIN!!! YANKEES LOSE!!!!! :salute::salute:

We are climbing back.

[Apoc13]

Apoc13 tell me again how our pen is not a problem.


the sox are 49-4 when leading after the 6th inning

at least that's what they said during the radio broadcast of the game last night

[Apoc13]

Record when tied or leading at the start of the 8th inning.

red sox 54-4
yankees 53-3
rays 46-3

[Southstander]

the sox are 49-4 when leading after the 6th inning

at least that's what they said during the radio broadcast of the game last night

When did those for losses happen. I will agree in June we had a great pin.

[Apoc13]

When did those for losses happen. I will agree in June we had a great pin.

technically the pen could blow the lead but the sox win late and it goes down as a win in the stats....so the numbers may be semi misleading but my point is that the pen isn't bad, just like hitters, pitchers go thru slumps...you just never know who is slumping until you get them out there

[Southstander]

technically the pen could blow the lead but the sox win late and it goes down as a win in the stats....so the numbers may be semi misleading but my point is that the pen isn't bad, just like hitters, pitchers go thru slumps...you just never know who is slumping until you get them out there

That what I have been saying. Since our pen has been slumping they have been bad.

[Apoc13]

brawl in game now

[Apoc13]

youk getting ejected is probably the best ejection evah

the pitcher who replaces the pitcher that got tossed in the brawl comes in and gives up 3 runs immediately....and youk's replacement, mikey lowell, has hit two homer so far

[Apoc13]

tazawa, 5ip, 1er, 6k...he's earned himself another start

[Southstander]

Lets hope he keeps this up.

[Southstander]

youk getting ejected is probably the best ejection evah

the pitcher who replaces the pitcher that got tossed in the brawl comes in and gives up 3 runs immediately....and youk's replacement, mikey lowell, has hit two homer so far

That might be the spark we needed.

[Southstander]

Sox win again 7 - 5.:salute!:

[Southstander]

8-1 Red Sox bottom of the fifth.:salute!:

[Southstander]

SOX WIN!!!:salute!:

[#1snake_fan]

Youk has been suspended for 5 games begining tonight

[Southstander]

Another close lose. You can't blame Buch for this one.

[#1snake_fan]

who gave up the Runs ? ... must have been Buchholz so yes we can blame him ... would it be fair ? NO but who the hell cares i'm sick of loosing every game that Jackass Pitches we could had a sweep but no why because Clay F'N Buchholz like i said ... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY ?


NOTHING

send him back to TRIPLE A already and bring back Bowden atleast he can pitch

[Apoc13]

who gave up the Runs ? ... must have been Buchholz so yes we can blame him ... would it be fair ? NO but who the hell cares i'm sick of loosing every game that Jackass Pitches we could had a sweep but no why because Clay F'N Buchholz like i said ... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY ?


NOTHING

send him back to TRIPLE A already and bring back Bowden atleast he can pitch

:rolleyes: the kid pitched better than beckett yesterday

[#1snake_fan]

first of all that's one of the stupidest things i've seen on this site in two days the other was someone being a "cutler fan for life"

Beckett Pitched seven strong innings and gave up two runs while striking out seven and walking one and gaining his league leading 14th win of the season and is well on his way to his first Cy Young award winning season so to say that Buchholz "pitched" better then Beckett is retarted

First of all NO ONE in the Majors pitches better then Josh Beckett when Josh Beckett is on and he's on so to implie that Clay Buchholz did better is a damnable lie and if i'm not mistaken Beckett is 14-4 and Buchholz is 1-3 ? so how exactly did Buccholz pitch better then Beckett ?

Buchholz may have gone seven innings but he walked three and struck out three where as Beckett went seven innings and allowed three hits so for the third consecitive start Beckett has held the other teams to 4 hits or less

so how did Clay Buchholz Pitch better ? Beckett threw 60 % of his first pitches for strikes and almost every Tiger swung and missed his breaking pitches ... so to say that Buccholz pitched better is not one of the STUPIDEST things i've ever read ...

IT IS THE STUPIDEST THING IVE EVER READ

[Southstander]

The loss can't be pinned on Buch. He only allowed two runs in seven innings. Our offense let us down by only scattering four hits, and the error by Redd ick did not help. Reguardless who your pitcher is if your offense can't score and only gets four hits you will lose. I understand you not liking losing games he starts, losing always stinks. But he has had two back to back solid outings. If he where giving up 10 runs in the first few innings you would have a point.

[#1snake_fan]

i didn't really blame him for todays loss all i said is that you could blame him but that wouldn't be fair because he couldn't score the runs he needed to help himself so yeah i agree today wasn't his fault ...

HOWEVER to say that Clay Buchholz had a better game then Josh Beckett is RETARTED clearly ... south you have to agree with that Beckett is not one of the Best he is the Best ... he goes out there and demands perfection from himself and his teamates

[Southstander]

If he is not at fault for the past two losses why should we send him to AAA.

Oh tomorrow on the 14 it is his birthday.:salute:



Beckett is the best pitcher we have right now far and away. He is in the top five pitchers we have EVAH had.

[#1snake_fan]

again I SAID THAT LAST NIGHT'S LOSS wasn't his fault ...

But the Loss to Texas and to New York is 100 % his fault he gives up a bunch of hits almost every start or he walks alot of hitters Buchholz is NOT READY to pitch up here at least in Boston

I like Micheal Bowden alot better anyway or we should bring back Kason Gabbard atleast he could win most of the games he pitched

[Apoc13]

again I SAID THAT LAST NIGHT'S LOSS wasn't his fault ...

But the Loss to Texas and to New York is 100 % his fault he gives up a bunch of hits almost every start or he walks alot of hitters Buchholz is NOT READY to pitch up here at least in Boston

I like Micheal Bowden alot better anyway or we should bring back Kason Gabbard atleast he could win most of the games he pitched

lol...you're funny

weren't you the same guy that wanted ellsbury gone? and wanted wakefield gone? lets leave the baseball decisions to theo :rolleyes:

and fyi....in 6 starts buchholz has given up more than 3 earned runs 1 time...if you minus that one really bad start his era is 2.86...but yeah, he sucks, lets replace him with gabbard, brilliant!

[#1snake_fan]

yeah that is brilliant because in Gabbard's first 6 games he was 4-0 with a 2.41 Era so that appears to be better then Buchholz and Gabbard was part of one of the worst trades in Theo's history Gabbard for Gange ? that blew up in everyone's face

and i did want Ellsbury gone because he has a horrible OPS and his batting Avg isn't that great he has Power from what i've heard but yet he has only 6 homers because he takes too many pitches and strikes out looking way to much and he's not patient at the wrong times with runners in scoring position with one out and runners on first and second ... he'll swing at the first pitch 9/10 times and hit a ground ball into a double play ... on the other hand he has gotten better

[Apoc13]

yeah that is brilliant because in Gabbard's first 6 games he was 4-0 with a 2.41 Era so that appears to be better then Buchholz and Gabbard was part of one of the worst trades in Theo's history Gabbard for Gange ? that blew up in everyone's face

and i did want Ellsbury gone because he has a horrible OPS and his batting Avg isn't that great he has Power from what i've heard but yet he has only 6 homers because he takes too many pitches and strikes out looking way to much and he's not patient at the wrong times with runners in scoring position with one out and runners on first and second ... he'll swing at the first pitch 9/10 times and hit a ground ball into a double play ... on the other hand he has gotten better

why was the gabbard deal so bad? it was worth a shot and we lost nothing...gagne just couldn't handle the pressure or whatever, can;t blame theo for trying....and now gabbard is back in the sox system after failing for the rangers... unfortunately he had an 18.90 era in double a for the sox and was demoted to single a.

[Apoc13]

sox have traded for alex gonzalez...not sure who was given up

[Southstander]

A prospect I have never hear of by the name Kris Negron.

[Southstander]

again I SAID THAT LAST NIGHT'S LOSS wasn't his fault ...

But the Loss to Texas and to New York is 100 % his fault he gives up a bunch of hits almost every start or he walks alot of hitters Buchholz is NOT READY to pitch up here at least in Boston

I like Micheal Bowden alot better anyway or we should bring back Kason Gabbard atleast he could win most of the games he pitched

No, you said you can't blame Clay for the NY loss.

[Southstander]

I am glad we won, but why was Buch in as a pinch runner?

[Southstander]

This is a series we needed to sweep.

[Southstander]

Smoltz has been released

[#1snake_fan]

Smoltz should be in the Hall OF Fame some day but he just stuck around for one year too long ... but good effort :salute!:

we need to do something to stop the bleeding NOW other wise it's going to be New York , Chicago , Los Angeles , Texas

Happy Birthday to my Mom and to Dustin Pedroia :salute:

[Southstander]

It is also Butch Hobson's birthday and well as Rudy York, Baby Doll Jacobson, Mike Coleman. Damian Jackson and Robert Fothergill.


Tell you mom Happy Birthday.

[Southstander]

Beckett is going for win number 15.

[Southstander]

Dustin Pedroia is a daddy. His Wife Kelly gave birth to a 7 lb 20 1/2 inches boy named Dylan.

[Southstander]

Beckett is the first 15 game winner in Baseball.

[#1snake_fan]

Okajima got the win not Beckett :sad:

[Southstander]

Okajima got the win not Beckett :sad:

It least it is a win. Tonight is Roy vs Clay... Good thing my Fenway Brick is out of my reach.

[Southstander]

Sox get the the Win. 6 - 1.

[Southstander]

Sox win 8 - 1 and sweep the Jays. I hope this is a sign that we will do better against the Yanks.

[#1snake_fan]

well i hope so cause we can't do worse then we did last weekend ... who's pitching ?

Beckett was Tuesday , Buchholz was last night , and Lester was tonight so who does that leave Tazawa and Penny then Beckett ?

[Apoc13]

hey snake still want to dump buchholz? who pitched better than beckett again this week....1.89 era in last 3 starts

and if you take out his one bad start his era is 2.62 in the other 6 starts

[Southstander]

Snake it is Penny, Tazawa, Beckett.

[#1snake_fan]

well for the second time in two pages ...

Buchholz is NOT better then JOSH BECKETT one good game in the span of seven starts does not make you a Better pitcher then some one who is amazing

Josh Beckett had a alright outting that turned into a bad outing BIG DEAL one out of seven for Beckett is okay because he's money every other time .

and if i had to i would give up Lester , Matsuzaka & Buchholz for Beckett because the dude has ice water in his veins in October and is pretty much untouchable everyother start

[Southstander]

No one is saying Beckett is not a good pitcher, or that Buchholtz is a better pitcher. He was just saying that recently Buch has pitched better. There is a key difference.

[#1snake_fan]

well tonight sucked ...


DOES ANYONE WISH WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP BUCHHOLZ FOR HALLADAY YET ... GOD KNOWS I DO


AND FINALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SEASON AND SINCE THE 2007 ALCS IT'S


BECKETT VS. SABATHIA

[Apoc13]

well tonight sucked ...


DOES ANYONE WISH WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP BUCHHOLZ FOR HALLADAY YET ... GOD KNOWS I DO


AND FINALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SEASON AND SINCE THE 2007 ALCS IT'S


BECKETT VS. SABATHIA

buchholz has pitched much better than halladay recently too :D

[Apoc13]

the sox have claimed billy wagner off waivers from the mets

sounds like a deal will be done soon....he's coming off of tommy john surgery but he's pitched well in rehab....we'll see

[Southstander]

well tonight sucked ...


DOES ANYONE WISH WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP BUCHHOLZ FOR HALLADAY YET ... GOD KNOWS I DO


AND FINALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS SEASON AND SINCE THE 2007 ALCS IT'S


BECKETT VS. SABATHIA

How would that have helped last night? Penny still would have gotten shelled. I can wait till Buch becomes a top filight stater and you have to eat your words.


~~~

Well only one team in the past two games held their opponet two one run, and was able to score over 10 runs in back to back nights.

[Southstander]

One step forward two steps back.

[kmcgough25]

The Sox are giving me alot of migraines lately!!!

We need to be way more consistent.

[broncos20208]

Rockies all the way

[Southstander]

Rockies all the way

All the way to what? Being swept in the World Series?

[Southstander]

The Sox are giving me alot of migraines lately!!!

We need to be way more consistent.

Agreed.:salute:

[#1snake_fan]

tonight something has to change for Jon Lester he can't keep going and doing everything on his own ... we need our bats to back him up and get him some run support ... the same thing has been happening to Josh Beckett lately our two best pitchers can't score for us .

I guess Dice-K had a good rehab start and is near his return date for the Sox ... i hope it's 2008's Dice - K and not 2009's

Junichi Tazawa has impressed me so far ... holding the Yankees like he did is no small feat for a rookie ... let alone for a japanese rookie and it was the same team that he made his MLB debut against and lost after a walk off shot from A - Rod

this is how i see the Season ending

New York

Boston 2 1/2 GB

Tampa Bay 12 GB

Toronto 21 GB

Baltimore 34 GB

[#1snake_fan]

MLB PLAYOFFS

American League Wild Card

Boston -3

Vs.

Detroit - 0


New York -3


Vs.

Aniheim -2

National League Wild Card

Colorado -1

Vs.

Phillidelphia - 3


Los Angeles -3

Vs.

St. Louis - 0


American League Championship Series

Boston Red Sox - 4

Vs.

New York Yankees -3


National League Championship Series

Los Angeles Dodgers - 4

Vs.

Phillidelphia Phillies -3


World Series

Los Angeles Dodgers -0

Vs.

Boston Red Sox -4

Third Championship this Decade :salute!:

[Apoc13]

All the way to what? Being swept in the World Series?

again :D

...

[Apoc13]

the sox have completed the trade for billy wager....they gave up chris carter and a player to be named

[DevilSpawn]

the sox have completed the trade for billy wager....they gave up chris carter and a player to be named
all he does is catch touchdowns, so no big loss.

[Southstander]

all he does is catch touchdowns, so no big loss.

So then we really suckered them in :rockon:

~~~~
Red Sox win 6 - 3.

[Southstander]

Clay looked great last night.:salute!:

[Southstander]

Sox win 7 - 0 and get the series sweep of the Jays.:salute!:

[#1snake_fan]

Typicial Red Sox...


START WINNING WHEN THEY NEED TO :salute!:


WELCOME BACK PAUL

[Southstander]

Tomorrow is the annivarsary of Clay's no-no.:salute!:

[Apoc13]

Tomorrow is the annivarsary of Clay's no-no.:salute!:

has anybody mentioned that clay has pitched better than beckett in 4 of their last 5 starts? :D

i'm not trying to rub it in... just that clay is not somebody to toss aside because of a couple bad starts...the kid has the tools to be an outstanding major league pitcher

[#1snake_fan]

has anybody mentioned that clay has pitched better than beckett in 4 of their last 5 starts? :D

i'm not trying to rub it in... just that clay is not somebody to toss aside because of a couple bad starts...the kid has the tools to be an outstanding major league pitcher

yeah you are trying to rub it in because everytime they pitch and Beckett has a bad game or Buchholz has a good game you talk like Clay should be the ACE not Beckett .

have you forgotten that Buchholz was in Triple -A all year until July ? so if he's so freaking great how'd Boston win all those games without him in the rotation ? :confused: and after he got recalled he had one good game and got rocked in his next three

Beckett on the other hand did start out a little rough but has been lights out ever since (until the Yankees game) it's if the Sox can ever score when we have Lester or Beckett on the hill you'd be signing another song .

and i didn't say we should throw Clay away i said we should've traded him for Halladay ... but Halladay hasn't won since before the All - Star game so whatever



BECKETT



19

[Apoc13]

beckett has been horrible over his last 3 starts...10 hrs allowed (12 hrs over the last 4), with a 13.53 era...no offense can overcome that

and when have i ever said buchholz is the ace? that's ridiculous... you want him gone, i don't...that's not exactly me saying i think he's the ace...all i'm saying is that the kid is going to be a very good major league pitcher in the very near future, i'd like it to be for the sox than somebody else

[Southstander]

Tonight begins a HUGE series in Tampa.

[Southstander]

Beckett was not on his game last night.

[Ohio Broncos]

I probably know what answer you guys will give, but I'll ask anyway.

How come Smoltz sucked for you guys but he has pitched well for the Cardinals?

Why did Brad Penny (who sucked for you guys) completely lock up the Phillies last night in his first start for the Giants?

Like I said, I have a feeling what the answer will be but curiosity got the best of me.

[Southstander]

I probably know what answer you guys will give, but I'll ask anyway.

How come Smoltz sucked for you guys but he has pitched well for the Cardinals?

Why did Brad Penny (who sucked for you guys) completely lock up the Phillies last night in his first start for the Giants?

Like I said, I have a feeling what the answer will be but curiosity got the best of me.

The watered down hitting of the NL. In the American League they had to face the nine batters every game not eight. Plus they AL East is a much tougher Divisoin the the NL West or Central.

[Southstander]

Sox win 6 - 3.:salute!:

[Apoc13]

I probably know what answer you guys will give, but I'll ask anyway.

How come Smoltz sucked for you guys but he has pitched well for the Cardinals?

Why did Brad Penny (who sucked for you guys) completely lock up the Phillies last night in his first start for the Giants?

Like I said, I have a feeling what the answer will be but curiosity got the best of me.

it is weird...then the sox pick up paul byrd, who's been completely out of baseball for a year, and he just walks right in and pitches great for the sox...it's hard to figure sometimes

[Apoc13]

another quality start for buchholz and another clunker for beckett....i'm ready for josh to find himself again...if i jinxed you, i'm sorry, ok?

sox are just a half game off the 2nd best record in baseball

[#1snake_fan]

Dude ...

why do you have to mention it every time Beckett has a bad game ? why it's pointless your just trying to piss me off and you know it

Buchholz has stepped it up here lately but for God sake it couldn't have gotten much worse with Clay


and about Smoltz and Penny they've just moved from one of the best divisions in baseball to two of the worst ... the Central sucks as does the west so that's why they can do alright in the NL

[Southstander]

Maybe cause your shots at Clay upset him.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Man we got CA RUSHED tonight.

[Southstander]

Yet another loss to the White Sox.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why did we not go after a bat like Thome?

[Ohio Broncos]

The watered down hitting of the NL. In the American League they had to face the nine batters every game not eight. Plus they AL East is a much tougher Divisoin the the NL West or Central.

Thought as much. Pretty much what I thought you were gonna say. :yawn:

Penny locked up hitters from the NL East (Phillies). Not that it matters. The NL is clearly inferior, right?

Where should the Phillies and Cardinals mail back their World Series trophies? :laugh:

[Ohio Broncos]

it is weird...then the sox pick up paul byrd, who's been completely out of baseball for a year, and he just walks right in and pitches great for the sox...it's hard to figure sometimes

Yeah, I was just trying to get some perspective from a Red Sox fan. It is hard to figure.

I know there is a difference between the two leagues, but is the gap that huge? A pitcher with an ERA in the 8s can switch leagues a completely shut down one of the best offenses in all of baseball (Phillies)? I refuse to believe that the difference is that great. Maybe a change in coaching? Like you said, it is weird.

[Southstander]

Thought as much. Pretty much what I thought you were gonna say. :yawn:

Penny locked up hitters from the NL East (Phillies). Not that it matters. The NL is clearly inferior, right?

Where should the Phillies and Cardinals mail back their World Series trophies? :laugh:

The Philies beat a team in the first World Series and first winnings season ever. Your Cards beat the Tigers, and another team the has struggled alot recently. What happened when your Card played a truly premeire AL team? Are you going to cry like La Russa about the hotel your team stayed in? Of course if that where true why did you lose your home games?

This is his only start with the Giants so far so it is hardly a barrometer of things to come. Also he is more familure with NL hitters and their habbits.

Other then the change of scenery a MAJOR difference in motivation. Penny wants to chase done the Dodgers for the way the treated him last year, and they both want to prove Boston wrong.


In your other post you said "I refuse to believe that the difference is that great." That is understandable, you are an NL guy. If the differecne is not that big, why is it that the NL has only won three All Star Games since 1988? As well as only Seven World Series since 1990?

Pitching to nine batter rather then eight makes alot of difference. If you where a pitcher who would you rather face a someone like (Using players from your team) Puljos or Carpenter?

[Southstander]

Lester looked very good today!:salute!:

[Apoc13]

Dude ...

why do you have to mention it every time Beckett has a bad game ? why it's pointless your just trying to piss me off and you know it

Buchholz has stepped it up here lately but for God sake it couldn't have gotten much worse with Clay


and about Smoltz and Penny they've just moved from one of the best divisions in baseball to two of the worst ... the Central sucks as does the west so that's why they can do alright in the NL

i mention it because you were so quick to toss buchholz on the scrap heap...for the last 5 weeks he's been a much better pitcher than beckett, just sayin

and for being as publicly opinionated as you are i'd think you'd be less thin skinned...i'll lay off josh. hopefully he pitches like he can and i m not tempted to mention it again, lol

[Ohio Broncos]

The Philies beat a team in the first World Series and first winnings season ever. Your Cards beat the Tigers, and another team the has struggled alot recently. What happened when your Card played a truly premeire AL team? Are you going to cry like La Russa about the hotel your team stayed in? Of course if that where true why did you lose your home games?

The Rays beat the mighty Sox, so they can't be all that bad, right? ;)

In 2006, the Tigers dismantled the Yankees (3-1) and steamrolled the A's (four game sweep) to get to the World Series. Many, many, many, many, many people thought Detroit was gonna destroy the Cardinals. Hell, a USA Today columnist said that the Tigers were gonna win in THREE games. They were heavily favored to beat the Cards, but the Cards ended up winning, rather convincingly.

No crying here. The Sox swept the Cards in 2004. I'll only say this. The Cardinals didn't have Chris Carpenter, their best starter. If he was pitching, I say the Cards would've at least won a game. But hey, the Sox were on fire and they deserved to win.

This is his only start with the Giants so far so it is hardly a barrometer of things to come. Also he is more familure with NL hitters and their habbits.

I still think it's weird that Penny can completely suck for the Sox and then turn around and dominate a very powerful Phillies lineup.

By the way, here's Penny's line today against the Padres: W (2-0), 7 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K. If once is an accident and twice is a trend, what's three times?

Other then the change of scenery a MAJOR difference in motivation. Penny wants to chase done the Dodgers for the way the treated him last year, and they both want to prove Boston wrong.

I can accept that. It still doesn't answer why a team so desperate for starting pitching could just give away two starters for nothing and they can turn around and pitch well. They weren't motivated in Boston? If so, where does the fault lie?

In your other post you said "I refuse to believe that the difference is that great." That is understandable, you are an NL guy. If the differecne is not that big, why is it that the NL has only won three All Star Games since 1988? As well as only Seven World Series since 1990?

The All Star thing is a freak thing. A lot of those games, like this year, have been one run games, not much of a difference.

The World Series thing is skewed because in the 1990s, the AL had two dynasties, the Blue Jays ('92-'93) and the Yankees ('96, '98-'00). If you go from the 2000s, the AL only holds a 5-4 advantage.

Pitching to nine batter rather then eight makes alot of difference. If you where a pitcher who would you rather face a someone like (Using players from your team) Puljos or Carpenter?

Call me crazy, but I don't think Pujols would ever bat 9th. :laugh:

Once again, I see your point. But replace a pitcher in the 9th spot with the weakest AL hitter on any given team. There's a difference, but I don't think it would be as great as you think it is. The DH is still the devil.

Anyway, good talk. :salute:

[Southstander]

The Rays beat the mighty Sox, so they can't be all that bad, right? ;)

In 08 the Sox where on bad inning away from taking game seven, plus using you logic about Carpenter, if we had a heath Lowell we would have won it. Look at how the are struggling this year, and have always stunk in previous seasons.



In 2006, the Tigers dismantled the Yankees (3-1) and steamrolled the A's (four game sweep) to get to the World Series. Many, many, many, many, many people thought Detroit was gonna destroy the Cardinals. Hell, a USA Today columnist said that the Tigers were gonna win in THREE games. They were heavily favored to beat the Cards, but the Cards ended up winning, rather convincingly.



So you defense of the AL not being a superior League is to tell my how they where heavly favored?



No crying here. The Sox swept the Cards in 2004. I'll only say this. The Cardinals didn't have Chris Carpenter, their best starter. If he was pitching, I say the Cards would've at least won a game. But hey, the Sox were on fire and they deserved to win.

First bring up Carpenter is crying. Second no team "deserves" to win any Championship. Championships are earned, not desereved".



I still think it's weird that Penny can completely suck for the Sox and then turn around and dominate a very powerful Phillies lineup.

By the way, here's Penny's line today against the Padres: W (2-0), 7 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K. If once is an accident and twice is a trend, what's three times?

Are the Pardes on the same level as the Yankees or Phillies?



I can accept that. It still doesn't answer why a team so desperate for starting pitching could just give away two starters for nothing and they can turn around and pitch well. They weren't motivated in Boston? If so, where does the fault lie?


Who says they where not motivated? Playing in Boston, or New York for the matter is a lot different then playing other playes. The is HUGE pressure to preform, and that could make a player "grib it" a bit more and not play as well.


One other factor on why Smoltz has played better for you then he did for us is he has had more time to find his groove, and rehab from his injury.


The All Star thing is a freak thing. A lot of those games, like this year, have been one run games, not much of a difference.



One key thing to remember that when the AS game is played in an NL park the DH is not used. So that will effect the offense. Also just because it is a one run game does not mean you have to throw out the results. The Pitching in the AL is also superior, so it would stand that some of those one run games where pitching battles won by superrior pitching.



The World Series thing is skewed because in the 1990s, the AL had two dynasties, the Blue Jays ('92-'93) and the Yankees ('96, '98-'00). If you go from the 2000s, the AL only holds a 5-4 advantage.




The two AL Dynasties don't skew the results, the back up the fact that the Teams in the AL are better. To you second point about change it from 1990 to 2000, why not change it 10 2009 and say it is 1 - 0 for the NL. You can't change the facts to force them to fit your point of view.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Pujols would ever bat 9th. :laugh:

Once again, I see your point. But replace a pitcher in the 9th spot with the weakest AL hitter on any given team. There's a difference, but I don't think it would be as great as you think it is. The DH is still the devil.

Anyway, good talk. :salute:

If Pulos where a DH would not be hitting 9th, No DH hits ninth. To your point you want to replace a weak hitting pitcher, with a weak fielder, and the would be stupid and pointless. That is not how the DH is used.

The DH is not the devil, it makes much more since then not having it. If I am an owner, I would not some one who job it is to pitch spending time doing anything but working on his pitching.

In the NL you have pinch runners and hitters right? A guy that sits on the bench 90% of the game then goes in only to run for another guy, or hit for someone (normaly for a PITCHER). If those are ok, why not some one speciality is just to hit?

[Southstander]

Wow the White Sox hammered us.

[Ohio Broncos]

In 08 the Sox where on bad inning away from taking game seven, plus using you logic about Carpenter, if we had a heath Lowell we would have won it. Look at how the are struggling this year, and have always stunk in previous seasons.

You guys were one bad inning from losing the ALCS in five. Let's stop playing the "what if" game (yes, I know I started it).

So you defense of the AL not being a superior League is to tell my how they where heavily favored?

Yup. If the AL were so superior, the Tigers would've won in three games.

First bring up Carpenter is crying.

Call it what you want, playa. I disagree. I still gave you guys props by saying the Sox would've won anyway.

Second no team "deserves" to win any Championship. Championships are earned, not desereved".

Good God, do you know what deserved means? It's an adjective (or a verb) meaning, "justly or rightly earned; merited" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deserved

I was giving your team credit. English lesson over.

Are the Pardes on the same level as the Yankees or Phillies?

Does a pitcher face the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies each time he takes the mound? Or does he sometimes face a lesser team like the Padres or the Royals?

One other factor on why Smoltz has played better for you then he did for us is he has had more time to find his groove, and rehab from his injury.

Holy crap, a plausible reason! That's all I asked for! Why did it take this long?

If Pulos where a DH would not be hitting 9th, No DH hits ninth. To your point you want to replace a weak hitting pitcher, with a weak fielder, and the would be stupid and pointless. That is not how the DH is used.

You asked me if I'd rather have Pujols or Carpenter batting. I assumed you meant would I want Pujols batting in Carpenter's spot, the 9th spot. No need to call my point stupid. I'm telling. :(

The DH is not the devil, it makes much more since then not having it. If I am an owner, I would not some one who job it is to pitch spending time doing anything but working on his pitching.

In the NL you have pinch runners and hitters right? A guy that sits on the bench 90% of the game then goes in only to run for another guy, or hit for someone (normaly for a PITCHER). If those are ok, why not some one speciality is just to hit?

Nine guys field, the same nine guys hit. To NL guys like me, it's a simple concept. Playing baseball is about fielding as well as hitting. The DH destroys that simple concept and ruins a beautiful game.

But hey, it's obvious that we'll never agree on that.

[Southstander]

You guys were one bad inning from losing the ALCS in five. Let's stop playing the "what if" game (yes, I know I started it).



Yup. If the AL were so superior, the Tigers would've won in three games.



Call it what you want, playa. I disagree. I still gave you guys props by saying the Sox would've won anyway.



Good God, do you know what deserved means? It's an adjective (or a verb) meaning, "justly or rightly earned; merited" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deserved

I was giving your team credit. English lesson over.



Does a pitcher face the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies each time he takes the mound? Or does he sometimes face a lesser team like the Padres or the Royals?



Holy crap, a plausible reason! That's all I asked for! Why did it take this long?



You asked me if I'd rather have Pujols or Carpenter batting. I assumed you meant would I want Pujols batting in Carpenter's spot, the 9th spot. No need to call my point stupid. I'm telling. :(



Nine guys field, the same nine guys hit. To NL guys like me, it's a simple concept. Playing baseball is about fielding as well as hitting. The DH destroys that simple concept and ruins a beautiful game.

But hey, it's obvious that we'll never agree on that.

Lets move the DH talk and get more people envolved.

[Apoc13]

Yup. If the AL were so superior, the Tigers would've won in three games..


the tigers were far superior, every team has their stretches during a season where they don;t play particularly well...the cards were the better team for that series and that's all that counts in the record books but everybody with a clue knows that cardinal team was not very good...probably the worst team in history to win a world series

and fyi ...over the last 5 years the AL is 170!!! games over .500 against the NL in interleague play....and only half those games were played with a dh

[Apoc13]

I still think it's weird that Penny can completely suck for the Sox and then turn around and dominate a very powerful Phillies lineup.

By the way, here's Penny's line today against the Padres: W (2-0), 7 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K. If once is an accident and twice is a trend, what's three times?

I can accept that. It still doesn't answer why a team so desperate for starting pitching could just give away two starters for nothing and they can turn around and pitch well. They weren't motivated in Boston? If so, where does the fault lie?

penny and smoltz were terrible for the sox....they were WHY the sox were desperate for pitching

penny, 1 win his his last 11 starts

smoltz just horrible every time out

...and i'll add that despite being so desperate for pitching they still will make the postseason...must not be that desperate

you're asking us, but what's your thought process on why they might be so much better?

[Apoc13]

i was bored and looked up who penny beat...

the bottom 4 in the lineup against penny his last start.....batting 6th macias (.174 avg), 7th hundley (.224) , 8th rodriguez (.212), 9th the pitcher

half the lineup can't hit to save their life

he beat the phillies his first time out but they didn't have much in the 7th and 8th hole...giving penny, or any other pitcher for that matter, a good chance to pitch well

[Southstander]

I think if a baseball fan where to be 100% honest with themsevles they will admit, at least for right now, the AL is superiour in talent. One key reason is the Red Sox and Yankees. We engage in an arms race of sorts, which effects other AL teams.

Look at a few more pitchers that have swapped League Lee this year and CC last year. A good AL pitcher becomes an even better pitcher in the NL. While Most NL pichers struggle. There are execptions to the rule.

[Southstander]

Sox win 10 - 0!!:salute!:

[Apoc13]

clay buchholz, in his last 7 starts, has a 2.99 era....and if you take away the one clunker his era is 1.74 in the other 6

[#1snake_fan]

:rolleyes:


Dustin Pedroia's first career multi Homer game :salute: although he hit two off Kazmir in the ALCS last year in back to back at bats

[Southstander]

I need this win today. I dedacate it to the memory of my little Vanylla Rose.

[#1snake_fan]

V-Mart comes through for us in the clutch ...

does anyone else think he was the trade of the season ? ... i think that only the Phillies getting Clif Lee was better at this point

[Southstander]

And we darn near got them both, it was at the last minute the Tribe split the two up to get more players in return.

[Southstander]

Finally we are looking good against the Rays.

[#1snake_fan]

way to go Sox :salute!: ... does anyone hear cowbells ? i can't but i thought i was losing my hearing cause "REAL FANS" don't leave their team right ? ...

NO THEY DON'T BUT BANDWAGON JUMPERS SURE AS HELL DO

THE RAYS SUCK LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL THEY GOT LUCKY LAST YEAR AND ARE PROVING THAT POINT THIS YEAR.

Why'd they trade Kazmir ? for a third baseman ? isn't that the Superstar Evan Longoria's position ? ... way to give up on the season Tampa ...

at least the AL EAST is where it should be ... Almost but better then last year

New York

Boston

[Southstander]

way to go Sox :salute!: ... does anyone hear cowbells ? i can't but i thought i was losing my hearing cause "REAL FANS" don't leave their team right ? ...

NO THEY DON'T BUT BANDWAGON JUMPERS SURE AS HELL DO

THE RAYS SUCK LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL THEY GOT LUCKY LAST YEAR AND ARE PROVING THAT POINT THIS YEAR.

Why'd they trade Kazmir ? for a third baseman ? isn't that the Superstar Evan Longoria's position ? ... way to give up on the season Tampa ...

at least the AL EAST is where it should be ... Almost but better then last year

New York

Boston

The Cowbells are back around the necks of Rays' fans girlfriends.

[#1snake_fan]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: ROFL oh my God that's freakin funny LOL

[Southstander]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: ROFL oh my God that's freakin funny LOL

Thougthh you would like that.

[Southstander]

The Sox are comming to Colorado next season!!!:td::salute!::td:

[Southstander]

Dice-K looked great. :salute!: To Papi for passing Thomas.

[#1snake_fan]

that was a great game last night Alex Gonzalez with the walk off shot to left for the game winning single amazing


did it look like Rivera gave up on that play to anyone else ?

[Southstander]

that was a great game last night Alex Gonzalez with the walk off shot to left for the game winning single amazing


did it look like Rivera gave up on that play to anyone else ?

I thought for sure that Rivera was going to field the ball, and he would be out.

[Southstander]

LA Angels 4, Boston 3

Boston AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Ellsbury, CF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 .301
Pedroia, 2B 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 .295
Martinez, V, 1B 3 1 1 0 0 1 1 .297
Bay, LF 4 1 2 2 0 2 1 .265
Ortiz, D, DH 4 0 0 0 0 3 1 .232
Lowell, 3B 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 .292
1-Gathright, PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .235
Drew, J, RF 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .267
a-Baldelli, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .255
Varitek, C 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 .212
Gonzalez, A, SS 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 .233
Totals 32 3 6 3 1 9 5

a-Flied out for Drew, J in the 9th.
1-Ran for Lowell in the 9th.

BATTING
HR: Ellsbury (7, 4th inning off Santana, E, 0 on, 0 out), Bay (33, 4th inning off Santana, E, 1 on, 1 out).
TB: Ellsbury 4; Pedroia; Martinez, V; Bay 5; Lowell.
RBI: Ellsbury (51), Bay 2 (106).
Team LOB: 4.

BASERUNNING
CS: Bay (3, 2nd base by Santana, E/Mathis, J).

[Southstander]

Sox get a nice win on the road. I think had we not had the troubles with Dice K and Wake, this would have been a much different season.

[CoryWinget81]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb2/sapience1022/alex-rodriguez--derek-jeter--ver-1.jpg?t=1253370295

[Southstander]

I want more wins like this!

[#1snake_fan]

9 games left in the season ...

5 games behind the Yankees ...

there's a chance

3 games vs. Kansas City

3 games vs. New York

3 games vs. Toronto


Lets go RED SOX

[Southstander]

9 games left in the season ...

5 games behind the Yankees ...

there's a chance

3 games vs. Kansas City

3 games vs. New York

3 games vs. Toronto


Lets go RED SOX

I am hoping other teams do alot of the "dirty" work for us. Not that I don't think that we can do it ourselves, I don't want what happened to our Broncos last year, to happen to us.

[Southstander]

Come ON!!!! we sould be mopping the floor with KC.

[#1snake_fan]

Beckett did what Beckett does ... got us a big win last night


ESPN has the Red Sox as the best team for going into the Playoffs and they're saying that the Yankees, Angels , Phillies , Cardinals all have pitching problems to adress where as the Red Sox don't really have that problem except in the middle relief core

this is how the Red Sox playoff pitching rotation should look like


ALDS

Game 1. Josh Beckett

Game 2. Jon Lester

Game 3. Clay Buchholz

Game 4. Daisuke Matsuzaka ( if needed )

Game 5. Paul Byrd ( if needed )




ALCS
Game 1. Josh Beckett

Game 2. Jon Lester

Game 3. Clay Buchholz

Game 4. Daisuke Matsuzaka

Game 5. Josh Beckett ( if needed )

Game 6. Jon Lester ( if needed )

Game 7. Clay Buchholz ( if needed )



World Series

Game 1. Josh Beckett

Game 2. Jon Lester

Game 3. Clay Buchholz

Game 4. Daisuke Matsuzaka

Game 5. Josh Beckett (if needed)

Game 6. Jon Lester (if needed)

Game 7. Clay Buchholz (if needed)



with the ALDS mst likely against the Angels agains i don't see us needin a game 4 or 5 starter since Josh Beckett is clearly healthier then he was last October i think the Angels and everyone else is in BIG BIG trouble this year ... Beckett has something to prove this year.

I am really hoping for the ALCS to come down between the Yankees and the Red Sox in which case i think the Red Sox have the better pitching they have all season ... for the most part

and in the World Series Terry Francona hasn't lost a World Series game yet and i don't think he wants to start now so i say we'll sweep the National League again ...


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