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BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-18-2007, 01:26 PM

Why did we trade Wily Mo? :confused: We could've had him pitch the 9th instead of Garbage Ball Gagne.

Or maybe the French Flop is a better nickname?

I think Bailey the Best nicknamed him Eric "Going, Going, Gone" Gagne. My brother liked that one the best.

Maybe we should start a poll of various nicknames for that bum and decide on the official nickname for this board.

Anybody else have some nicknames to add here that we could eventually put on a poll?

:laugh: :laugh:
Good stuff.
Yea Gagne is really pissing Boston fans off.
IF you guys miss the playoffs by 1 game everyone will blame it on Gagne :laugh:

And I agree. My favorite name was Going Going Gagne.

and lol @ booing a Boston player.
Thats wierd.
Hes the only player I cheer. :confused:

BaileyTheBest

08-18-2007, 07:21 PM

Ok, why the HELL is Papelbon pitching with a 5 run lead. GAGne should at least be in till they close to within 3. Then Paps can come in! :D

But anyway, BIG PAPI IS MY HERO! Go-ahead Grand Slam! Sox win 10-5 and the magic number is now 35!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-18-2007, 11:53 PM

:laugh:
How many heroes are you going to have in a 1 week span?? :confused?

Anyone that does something seems to be your "hero" of the day.

Funny stuff.

BaileyTheBest

08-19-2007, 06:23 AM

:laugh:
How many heroes are you going to have in a 1 week span?? :confused?

Anyone that does something seems to be your "hero" of the day.

Funny stuff.

I'll have as many heroes as I want. Now go on and watch your 5 games back Yanks. :coffee:

keithbishop

08-19-2007, 06:32 AM

I'll have as many heroes as I want. Now go on and watch your 5 games back Yanks. :coffee:

Simple misunderstanding Bailey. Gag-Me is our only red sox hero. ;)

BaileyTheBest

08-19-2007, 07:15 AM

Simple misunderstanding Bailey. Gag-Me is our only red sox hero. ;)

Oh ok I understand! The Yanks aren't good enough to go out and win the division themselves, so they need guys on the Red Sox to mess it up for them! It all makes sense now! :D

keithbishop

08-19-2007, 02:01 PM

Oh ok I understand! The Yanks aren't good enough to go out and win the division themselves, so they need guys on the Red Sox to mess it up for them! It all makes sense now! :D

Yeah. After only being good enough to win the division 9 straight seasons (let's face it, even the Royals or Pirates could do that), we can only win if boston messes up. ;)

keithbishop

08-19-2007, 02:02 PM

Scoreless inning for Gag-Me:eek:. Impressive start by Tavarez.... I'd take 6 IP 2 ER from any starter.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-19-2007, 04:13 PM

I'll have as many heroes as I want. Now go on and watch your 5 games back Yanks. :coffee:

:laugh: :laugh: K I will continue to watch my Yankees as they have gained 10 games in the last 2 1/2 months or so :rockon:

by the way I dont know if you have heard this or not but I heard that the Redsox are moving to the Phillapeans(sp).

They are going to be called the Manilla folders :eek:

And Great outing by Gagne. He only allowed 2 baserunners and struck out 3.

bengaaaaals1688

08-19-2007, 05:58 PM

:laugh: :laugh: K I will continue to watch my Yankees as they have gained 10 games in the last 2 1/2 months or so :rockon:

by the way I dont know if you have heard this or not but I heard that the Redsox are moving to the Phillapeans(sp).

They are going to be called the Manilla folders :eek:

And Great outing by Gagne. He only allowed 2 baserunners and struck out 3.

It is Phillipines... and I just randomly made one of my friends' nickname Manilla Folder the other day... talk about irony.:eek:

BaileyTheBest

08-20-2007, 05:32 PM

Scoreless inning for Gag-Me:eek:. Impressive start by Tavarez.... I'd take 6 IP 2 ER from any starter.

Yeah, it's easy to pitch when you're not protecting a lead.

BaileyTheBest

08-20-2007, 05:35 PM

Wow, we lit up Scott Kazmir. WTG guys!

EDIT: 6-0 win! And most importantly, we got to rest Okie and Paps. And we didn't need GAGne!

Magic # is 34! Yanks play the Angles tonight.

EDIT AGAIN: The Yanks lost in extra innings last night so our MN is now 33 and the division lead is back to 5.

RunYouOver

08-20-2007, 07:25 PM

Wow, we lit up Scott Kazmir. WTG guys!

EDIT: 6-0 win! And most importantly, we got to rest Okie and Paps. And we didn't need GAGne!

Magic # is 34! Yanks play the Angles tonight.

That means the Yankees magic number is 39 I think.....

Let's see who gets to 0 first ;)

BaileyTheBest

08-20-2007, 07:55 PM

That means the Yankees magic number is 39 I think.....

Let's see who gets to 0 first ;)

Yall's is actually 43.

http://mets.nyfansites.com/index.php?stuff

Here's the magic # calculator I use.

That might be wrong though because that calculator is only set up to determine the 1st place team's magic #. Not sure if it works when I enter yall's wins and our losses.

PatsCrowEater

08-21-2007, 05:45 AM

Great job by Wake last night as he gets his MLB tying 15th win this season.

Wake is now 19-2 lifetime against Tampa and 9-0 at the Trop.

Wake has not allowed a run in 15 consecutive innings. He has also blanked Tampa Bay 19 innings in a row.

Wake now has a decision in all of his 25 starts, the first to reach that number since Jack McDowell had a decision in his first 27 starts in 1993. It's also Boston's longest streak of decisions by a pitcher since since Danny MacFayden opened the 1929 season with 26 in a row.

The shutout was Boston's 11th of the season which leads the majors and indicates the Red Sox have the best pitching staff in the league! :rockon:

Rockon Red Sox!

BaileyTheBest

08-21-2007, 12:31 PM

BaileyTheBest

08-21-2007, 07:38 PM

Another win for the Sox! The Rays made it close at the end but Paps shut the door again!

Magic Number is now 32. Go Angels tonight!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-22-2007, 02:13 AM

Magic Number is 31 :rockon:

:laugh: :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

08-22-2007, 04:46 AM

Magic Number is 31 :rockon:

:laugh: :laugh:

Sorry Jay, I can't hear you over the sound of Garret Anderson's bat popping out all those RBI's.

But seriously, you have some balls coming in an talking smack after that ass-whoopin the Angels gave yall last night.

But I guess I should be scared to death because yall have made up a whole game on us in the last month! :laugh:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-22-2007, 04:59 AM

Sorry Jay, I can't hear you over the sound of Garret Anderson's bat popping out all those RBI's.

But seriously, you have some balls coming in an talking smack after that ass-whoopin the Angels gave yall last night.

But I guess I should be scared to death because yall have made up a whole game on us in the last month! :laugh:

I'm ready to get my first infraction point. :salute:

But are you an idiot?? :laugh:

Where was I talking smack?
I simply pointed out how your guys magic number is 31.

Its hard finding smack in what I said.
You crack me up.
You outta be in Hollywood with lines like that.

and :laugh: @ making up 1 game this month.
It must be nice having a 6 game lead.

Gosh I wish I knew what that felt like. :(

BaileyTheBest

08-22-2007, 05:05 AM

I'm ready to get my first infraction point. :salute:

But are you an idiot?? :laugh:

Where was I talking smack?
I simply pointed out how your guys magic number is 31.

Its hard finding smack in what I said.
You crack me up.
You outta be in Hollywood with lines like that.

and :laugh: @ making up 1 game this month.
It must be nice having a 6 game lead.

Gosh I wish I knew what that felt like. :(

Jay do you think I'm stupid? The only reason you would come in here and state our magic # is to make fun of the fact that I have been doing it, which is smack.

And also, it's ok for you to bring up how many games yall have made up in a certain period of time but when i bring it up it's laughable?

You are a piece of work Jay. :laugh:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-22-2007, 05:11 AM

Jay do you think I'm stupid? The only reason you would come in here and state our magic # is to make fun of the fact that I have been doing it, which is smack.

And also, it's ok for you to bring up how many games yall have made up in a certain period of time but when i bring it up it's laughable?

You are a piece of work Jay. :

:laugh: @ asking me if I think your stupid.
I'd rather not answer that. ;)

I figured you were sleeping and I mise well go in here and post your magic Number. I was being nice and saving you the trouble from posting it yourself. The Magic number is soon to be 29 here within the next 15 hours. :rockon:

And its okay for you to bring up how many games we have made up this month.
It dont bother me one bit.

Boston has gained 2 games in 2 days. :salute:
Thats far more impressive then 1 stinky little game in 1 month.

But anyways.. Its not about beating the Red Sox over 162. Its about beating them 4 of 7 in the ALCS.
But I'm still fully confident that after we get swept by the Angels and the Tigers that we can still come back and win the division. :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

08-22-2007, 05:16 AM

:laugh: @ asking me if I think your stupid.
I'd rather not answer that. ;)

I figured you were sleeping and I mise well go in here and post your magic Number. I was being nice and saving you the trouble from posting it yourself. The Magic number is soon to be 29 here within the next 15 hours. :rockon:

And its okay for you to bring up how many games we have made up this month.
It dont bother me one bit.

Boston has gained 2 games in 2 days. :salute:
Thats far more impressive then 1 stinky little game in 1 month.

But anyways.. Its not about beating the Red Sox over 162. Its about beating them 4 of 7 in the ALCS.
But I'm still fully confident that after we get swept by the Angels and the Tigers that we can still come back and win the division. :laugh:

HAH! You might want to worry about the Yank-offs getting to the playoffs before you talk about getting to the ALCS. But if yall do get to the playoffs, guess who yall would likely play in the first round...you guessed it...the Angels! But I'll let you stay in your little fantasy world where the Yank-offs are the best team on the planet.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-22-2007, 05:21 AM

HAH! You might want to worry about the Yank-offs getting to the playoffs before you talk about getting to the ALCS. But if yall do get to the playoffs, guess who yall would likely play in the first round...you guessed it...the Angels! But I'll let you stay in your little fantasy world where the Yank-offs are the best team on the planet.

:laugh:

Were going to go the the ALCS.
We have tickets.
Boston will be playing in the ALCS.
But the Yankees will fly down and watch Boston play.
And they might even be rooting for Boston. :eek:

:laugh: @ me thinking the Yankees are the best team on the planet.
I'm going to say what you always say: Where did I say that? Please dont put words in my mouth. :laugh:

But you have fun with your 6 game lead and your magic number of 31.

Gotta love Boston fans.

I better get to bed before the sun comes up. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

08-22-2007, 05:24 AM

Were going to go the the ALCS.
We have tickets.
Boston will be playing in the ALCS.
But the Yankees will fly down and watch Boston play.
And they might even be rooting for Boston. :eek:

:laugh: @ me thinking the Yankees are the best team on the planet.
I'm going to say what you always say: Where did I say that? Please dont put words in my mouth. :laugh:

But you have fun with your 6 game lead and your magic number of 31.

Gotta love Boston fans.

I better get to bed before the sun comes up. :salute:

you have implied it more times than i can count. just because you've never directly stated it doesn't mean i'm putting words in your mouth.

try again... :coffee:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-22-2007, 05:25 AM

you have implied it more times than i can count. just because you've never directly stated it doesn't mean i'm putting words in your mouth.

try again... :coffee:

:laugh: Funny stuff.
Its pretty much the same thing what we say to you :coffee:

But good night babe. :salute:

TotalDominator

08-22-2007, 05:07 PM

haha i will only root for the Red Sox because Larry Lucchino is the President of Baseball operations and also because i hate the yankees. why? because they're the yankees.:rockon:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-24-2007, 05:01 AM

Better Bump this thread. :rockon:

Boston has a doubleheader in which they will win both games coming up on Friday. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

08-24-2007, 03:16 PM

PatsCrowEater

08-24-2007, 03:48 PM

Boston wins game 1 vs. Chicago 11-3.

Magic number is 30.

We have also sent Lester down to AA for one start and will be replaced by Taveras for the finale against Chicago. We called up Javy Lopez to have an extra arm in the bullpen against the Yanks. After the Yanks series, Lester will be called back up. Pretty solid strategy by the Red Sox if I do say so myself! :salute:

I agree. Excellent strategy by Boston getting another lefty in the BP for these 7 games against Chicago and NY.

I'd also like to thank the Yankees for releasing Mike Myers a few weeks ago. He was back to his old self again.

Here was his line....

1.0 IP, 4 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 0 SO, 1 HR

Way to go Mike!!

BaileyTheBest

08-24-2007, 08:01 PM

Red Sox sweep the double-header with a 10-1 win over the Pale Hose!

Players of the Game:

David Ortiz: 4-5 2 HR

Big Papi is my hero! :D

Curt Schilling: 6 IP 3 H 1 R 3 K

That's right Yanks fans, he's baaaack! Watch out!

:eek: Eric Gagne: 1 IP 1 H 1 K 0 R

I bet he hasn't been put in a game with a 9 run lead in his life! :laugh:
Once again, solid strategy Francona!

Magic Number is now 29.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-24-2007, 10:03 PM

I told you you would sweep the Doubleheader. :salute:

Magic Number 29 and It could go to 28. :rockon: :rockon:

BaileyTheBest

08-25-2007, 05:36 AM

Yanks lose again. Magic number is 28.

See Yanks fans, I told yall that yall's big win streak after the ASB was a product of the schedule. And just like I said, yall have been dropping off now that yall are playing tough teams. And just for the record, I was never worried that yall would come back and take the division.

PatsCrowEater

08-25-2007, 05:56 AM

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-25-2007, 01:49 PM

lex

08-25-2007, 02:20 PM

Ill be at the game tomorrow. Hopefully the Red Sox will win.

BaileyTheBest

08-25-2007, 03:19 PM

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You crack me up.

Lets see how much you talk after next week. :coffee:

Yep, after that series when we're still 6-7 games up i will still be talking. Don't you worry!

BaileyTheBest

08-25-2007, 04:11 PM

PatsCrowEater

08-25-2007, 05:11 PM

The Red Sox win again! We have pounded the hell of the Pale Hose. 14-2 win today.

Players of the game: Everyone on the team except for Kyle Snyder. He blew our shutout!

Congrats to Wakefield on joining Beckett with a league-leading 16 wins.

Lead over the Yank-offs is now 7.

Magic number is 27.

Yes. Yes.

Congrats to Wake for joining Beckett in the 16 win category.

Congrats to the Red Sox for being the best team in the majors.

Red Sox fans shall have great sex tonight.

Yankees fans shall come up short. :rockon:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-26-2007, 01:14 AM

Yep, after that series when we're still 6-7 games up i will still be talking. Don't you worry!

You think you will be 6-7 up :eek:
Hell your pestimistic.

I was thinking you would be 10 up.

:salute: @ 6 to 7 up.
I guess it wont be as bad as I thought it would be.

BaileyTheBest

08-26-2007, 05:27 AM

You think you will be 6-7 up :eek:
Hell your pestimistic.

I was thinking you would be 10 up.

:salute: @ 6 to 7 up.
I guess it wont be as bad as I thought it would be.

Looking at the pitching matchups, I figure we will win the series 2-1. That would put us up about 7.5 or so, depending on what happens today.

BaileyTheBest

08-26-2007, 02:14 PM

Boston destroys Chicago again! 11-1 this time! Boston sweeps the series, scoring at least 10 runs in each game.

Players of the game:

J.D. Drew, David Ortiz, Bobby Kielty: 1 HR each

Julian Taveras: 6 SOLID innings. Only 1 ER

Manny Delcarmen, Eric Gagne, Jon Papelbon: 3 innings of scoreless relief. Paps struck out the side in the 9th.

The Yanks lose again to expand our lead to 7.5 games.

Magic number is now 25.

Next up: The Yanks! Nothing gets me more excited than a good ol' Sox-Yanks series! We have our top 3 pitchers going and a fresh bullpen. We should win this series but you never go against the Yanks. My prediction is a 2-1 series win for Boston.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-26-2007, 03:36 PM

My prediction is Boston sweeps the series and the Yankees start golfing in October as they are 11 games out after Thursday. :salute:

:laugh: @ you thinking we will actually win a game.

BaileyTheBest

08-26-2007, 04:42 PM

My prediction is Boston sweeps the series and the Yankees start golfing in October as they are 11 games out after Thursday. :salute:

:laugh: @ you thinking we will actually win a game.

You know Jay, ever since you have began sarcastically saying the Sox are great and the Yanks suck yall have been losing more and more ground on us. But by all means, keep jinxing the Yanks. I won't complain! :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-26-2007, 04:46 PM

You know Jay, ever since you have began sarcastically saying the Sox are great and the Yanks suck yall have been losing more and more ground on us. But by all means, keep jinxing the Yanks. I won't complain! :salute:

:laugh:
Its because I'm always right like I told you before.

You should have seen me earlier in the year.

When Boston won 5 in a row and we lost 5 in a row. I called each and every one of those games. :laugh:
Then I predicted that we would win and Boston would lose.
And that happened and we moved to 13 1/2 out and I slept happily ever after that night.

So I will continue to Jinx the Yankees.
What the heck. I'll let Boston win the division this one time. :laugh:

Division champs dont seem to win the world series anyways. :P

BaileyTheBest

08-26-2007, 04:56 PM

:laugh:
Its because I'm always right like I told you before.

You should have seen me earlier in the year.

When Boston won 5 in a row and we lost 5 in a row. I called each and every one of those games. :laugh:
Then I predicted that we would win and Boston would lose.
And that happened and we moved to 13 1/2 out and I slept happily ever after that night.

So I will continue to Jinx the Yankees.
What the heck. I'll let Boston win the division this one time. :laugh:

Division champs dont seem to win the world series anyways. :P

Neither do teams who miss the playoffs! :P

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-26-2007, 05:34 PM

Neither do teams who miss the playoffs! :P

:laugh: That was actually a good one.
Props to you on that. :salute:

You kind of remind me of this guy I use to argue with last year.
Except he talked smack by having a 1/2 game lead over us and a 4 game lead and stuff.
And kept telling me how teams cant win the world series if they dont make the playoffs.

That is great logic though.

BaileyTheBest

08-27-2007, 07:21 PM

Thanks to a brilliant outing my Mike "my favorite Yankee" Mussina, the Sox's lead is up to 8 games and the magic # is 24!

And now, the madness that is Sox-Yanks! I can't wait! :rockon:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-27-2007, 08:18 PM

:laugh:

BaileytheBest #24 :salute:

Good stuff.

PatsCrowEater

08-29-2007, 05:21 AM

Congrats to the Yanks for taking Game 1.

Now Josh Beckett goes against Roger Clemens - his childhood idol.

Josh recently said a great day for him as a kid would consist of watching Clemens pitch, cranking his REO Speedwagon LP and playing Pong on his Atari. :D

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-29-2007, 05:26 AM

:laugh: I always think it be wierd for players to play with or against thier childhood idols or whatever. That be like me playing with Clinton Portis or Derek Jeter.

It be even stranger for players who arnt even born when a player makes thier debut and then to play with or against them.

BaileyTheBest

08-31-2007, 08:32 PM

Yanks lose, Sox lose, magic number is 23.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

08-31-2007, 09:55 PM

Yanks lose, Sox lose, magic number is 23.

What happened to your sig and your avatar??
Why do you just have the waving smiley? And no avatar?? :confused:

You threw me for a loop Mr. Bailey

And Congrats on being the best team through the first 5 months . :salute:

BaileyTheBest

09-01-2007, 07:55 AM

What happened to your sig and your avatar??
Why do you just have the waving smiley? And no avatar?? :confused:

You threw me for a loop Mr. Bailey

And Congrats on being the best team through the first 5 months . :salute:

I've moved to the other board. I will post here from time to time but I'm not going to spend near as much time here.

BaileyTheBest

09-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Magic Number is now 22 with the Buchholz no-hitter.

DevilSpawn

09-01-2007, 07:30 PM

Joba's mowing em down in the Bronx. Bucholtz makes history in Beantown. Who are the other teams in our division again?

BaileyTheBest

09-01-2007, 07:34 PM

Joba's mowing em down in the Bronx. Bucholtz makes history in Beantown. Who are the other teams in our division again?

Maybe if they combined three teams and made the Baltimore Devil Jays they would have a chance at upsetting the Yanks or Sox! :D

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-01-2007, 08:10 PM

Congrats to Clay. :salute:

I was pissed y'all didn't trade him. :fight:

But a great start to his career.

Magic Number at 22 and Boston and the Yanks would both be in the playoffs if the season ended today. :salute:

RunYouOver

09-01-2007, 08:34 PM

Kid's got a bright future.

AL East lead is still 5 though...and I believe we have either 3 or 4 more games against you this year.

GO YANKEES

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-01-2007, 08:39 PM

Kid's got a bright future.

AL East lead is still 5 though...and I believe we have either 3 or 4 more games against you this year.

GO YANKEES

Yea we have 3 more so we will finish the season 2 behind Boston since they have such an easy schedule and will go undefeated the rest of the way except when they play us. :salute:

:laugh:

RunYouOver

09-01-2007, 09:41 PM

Yea we have 3 more so we will finish the season 2 behind Boston since they have such an easy schedule and will go undefeated the rest of the way except when they play us. :salute:

:laugh:

That means we finish the season without losing another game.

Pardon me for thinking otherwise, but.... :P

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-01-2007, 10:11 PM

That means we finish the season without losing another game.

Pardon me for thinking otherwise, but.... :P

Yea I know. It kind of sucks how we can win the rest of the games this year and Still not win the division. :(

BaileyTheBest

09-02-2007, 10:57 AM

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BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-02-2007, 01:54 PM

Great day today Boston fans.
Magic Number is 20 and Boston has a 6 game lead. :rockon: :rockon:

PatsCrowEater

09-08-2007, 08:13 AM

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 08:55 AM

Anyone see Daniel Cabrera pull a Joba Chamberlain last night? I'm getting very pissed at these hot-headed flame throwers deliberately throwing at the heads of Red Sox players. This is ridiculous!

I hope MLB sends a message and suspends Cabrera for at least one start.

In other news, let's hope Clemen's continues to heal and have his next start at Fenway.

Something tells me it won't be his last start at Fenway ever again. I have a feeling we'll be seeing him in October. :salute:

"Pull a Joba Chamberlain" ? No. Cabrera hasn't gone 11 games without allowing a run.

Keep crying, but I bet you shed no tears when Yankees 1B Andy Phillips suffered a broken wrist after being hit by a pitch. Being within a foot of being HBP is worse than a season-ending injury. :rolleyes:

PatsCrowEater

09-08-2007, 09:02 AM

"Pull a Joba Chamberlain" ? No. Cabrera hasn't gone 11 games without allowing a run.

Keep crying, but I bet you shed no tears when Yankees 1B Andy Phillips suffered a broken wrist after being hit by a pitch. Being within a foot of being HBP is worse than a season-ending injury. :rolleyes:

I can't disagree more. Chamberlain and Cabrera were going after HEADS! They could kill someone or finish off their careers in one single pitch.

See Zimmer and Tony C.

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 09:21 AM

I can't disagree more. Chamberlain and Cabrera were going after HEADS! They could kill someone or finish off their careers in one single pitch.

See Zimmer and Tony C.

Comparing Joba to Zimmer's situation? No. Zimmer was hit. Joba gets disciplined despite not receiving a warning in the game (explain that one, please) and you still gripe about him? Joba's pitches were nowhere near hitting anyone. Joba wasn't trying to kill anyone.

I knew you'd take that stance. A real injury is nothing, but get within a foot of my guy and...... whatever.

Were Cabrera's pitches (or pitch) close? Joba's weren't.

Was Joba's discipline not enough, or do you want him banned for life? :rolleyes:

PatsCrowEater

09-08-2007, 10:04 AM

Comparing Joba to Zimmer's situation? No. Zimmer was hit. Joba gets disciplined despite not receiving a warning in the game (explain that one, please) and you still gripe about him? Joba's pitches were nowhere near hitting anyone. Joba wasn't trying to kill anyone.

I knew you'd take that stance. A real injury is nothing, but get within a foot of my guy and...... whatever.

Were Cabrera's pitches (or pitch) close? Joba's weren't.

Was Joba's discipline not enough, or do you want him banned for life? :rolleyes:

I'll paraphrase Terry Francona's comments after the game "If that young man was trying to get our attention he certainly suceeded."

Also, your favorite blabbermouth Curt Shilling said he's never saw any pitcher throw two consecutive pitches at another players head.

Crew chief Derryl Cousins said. "Those were two pretty nasty pitches the young man threw."

and Bob Watson cited Chamberlain for "inappropriate actions."

I take it you agree with Chamberlain that he just "slipped" with his grip on those two pitches, huh?

So much for the Yanks being a classy organization.

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 11:07 AM

I'll paraphrase Terry Francona's comments after the game "If that young man was trying to get our attention he certainly suceeded."

Also, your favorite blabbermouth Curt Shilling said he's never saw any pitcher throw two consecutive pitches at another players head.

Crew chief Derryl Cousins said. "Those were two pretty nasty pitches the young man threw."

and Bob Watson cited Chamberlain for "inappropriate actions."

I take it you agree with Chamberlain that he just "slipped" with his grip on those two pitches, huh?

So much for the Yanks being a classy organization.

Nope. I take it you didn't read my response after the reaction. Never said he "slipped", now, did I? :coffee: Of course the pitcher will say something like that. When has one ever said "Yeah, I did it on purpose" ? Pedro?? Clemens?? Schilling??

Chamberlain was disciplined. I'm taking it Cabrera wasn't. My question remains: Was Joba's discipline not enough, or do you want him banned for life?

My take:

He was tossed from the game. Understood.

He was suspended and fined. No warning, no hit batter..... not understood, but accepted without complaint.

Are you saying MLB DIDN'T handle the situation properly? If not, why compare the disciplined player (Chamberlain) to the undisciplined player (Cabrera). What exactly did Chamberlain "get away with"?? Nothing, of course. He was dealt with. You're still griping about Joba because.........:confused:

Please don't use "Schilling" and "class" in the same post. I would have preferred it if Joba had just drillied Youkilis, though I wouldn't expect him to pull a "Schilling" by blaming the batter.

Didn't Youkilis get hit by 2 pitchers the very next day ? Where was the discipline? I'd rather see some consitency. Joba was disciplined, so let the same happen to the others.

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 11:38 AM

PatsCrowEater

09-08-2007, 03:34 PM

I didn't see Joba's intent. 5-0 lead 9th inning.... perhaps he was sending a message (in the wrong way) for something?? Possibly. I can't rule that out.

Cabrera's intent, however, was quite clear.

I still don't see what there is to gripe about in Joba's situation after he was disciplined.

I'm griping because he threw at the head w/ a fastball two times in a row!

I'm happy with the discipline he received. I never said I think he should be banned for life. That's just you putting words in other people's mouths again.

However, the O's manager was quick to mention after the game that he's happy Pedroia wasn't hurt. I don't recall ever hearing that from Torre.

Anyway, I understand you're in KC and have tickets to the game. I'm sure you're having a great weekend and hope the game turns out exactly as you hope.

BaileyTheBest

09-08-2007, 06:21 PM

RunYouOver

09-08-2007, 06:40 PM

PatsCrowEater

09-08-2007, 07:01 PM

Speaking of putting words in your mouth...what was that you said about Matsusaka being an absolutely terrible signing?

About him throwing too much this year and in the past?

And about his arm falling off?

That move might go down as worse than the Pavano signing if he keeps this up...I really don't think his arm's going to last much longer.

He just needs six days rest at this point in the season.

Anyhoots, Buchholz will be our 4th starter in the postseason. Dice-K will be in the Pen.

That's how I see it.

RunYouOver

09-08-2007, 07:06 PM

He just needs six days rest at this point in the season.

Anyhoots, Buchholz will be our 4th starter in the postseason. Dice-K will be in the Pen.

That's how I see it.

That would be the smartest move for the Sox in my opinion.

So of course I'm hoping they keep him in the rotation, which they probably will :D

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 07:18 PM

I'm griping because he threw at the head w/ a fastball two times in a row!

I'm happy with the discipline he received. I never said I think he should be banned for life. That's just you putting words in other people's mouths again.

However, the O's manager was quick to mention after the game that he's happy Pedroia wasn't hurt. I don't recall ever hearing that from Torre.

Anyway, I understand you're in KC and have tickets to the game. I'm sure you're having a great weekend and hope the game turns out exactly as you hope.

I'm the VENTRILOQUIST, after all! Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!

Had the situations been the same (they weren't), perhaps Torre would have said something. I re-watched both incidents today and saw 1..... yes, 1.... close pitch: the one from Cabrera. Cabrera's intent was obvious. What was Joba's intent? You can guess, but you can't know .... the same applies to me. It appears that Joba went about sending a message the wrong way. The VERY close pitch thrown behind Pedroia, OTOH, looks like an attempt to injure. The aftermath of the incidents were just a bit different, weren't they? We both saw Cabrera AND Joba after the incidents.... Joba wanted to hurt someone? No. Cabrera did. The 2 are not the same. Cabrera looks like he'll hit someone from boston the next chance he gets, didn't he?

Thank you for the last paragraph. My son and nephews are making signs now. The weekend (Michigan) isn't (Wolverines) quite (suck) going perfectly. We're going early tomorrow to get in as soon as the gates are opened. Great seats behind home plate.... something Jerry won't ever forget.

keithbishop

09-08-2007, 07:20 PM

KB putting words in someone's mouth! :eek:

Say it isn't so!

Yeah. I only put words in YOUR mouth, Bailey. Tell PCE to back the hell off.... and don't worry, you're still my dummy.
;););)

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-08-2007, 11:16 PM

:laugh: @ this thread finally getting some action.

I dont think Joba would try to hit Youk. If he wanted to hit Youk I'm certain that he could. He has good location. But I dont think the ball slipped away from him twice. Its hard to believe he would do that. But I dont think he tried to hit him in the head. It was a 1-1 count. Why would he pick the middle of the count to do that in? But for as many times as Boston players hit us we could hit them for the next 5 years and still not be equal.

But no harm was done to any Boston players so I dont get what the big deal is about?? :confused:

Youk got what he deserved.

People get what they deserve. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

09-09-2007, 08:26 AM

Yeah. I only put words in YOUR mouth, Bailey. Tell PCE to back the hell off.... and don't worry, you're still my dummy.
;););)

K, just making sure! ;) :D

BaileyTheBest

09-09-2007, 08:27 AM

Oh, and now that it's football season, KB and JC4MVP yall rock! :rockon:

And PCE is a LOOOOOSEEEEER!!! :D ;)

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-09-2007, 08:50 AM

Oh, and now that it's football season, KB and JC4MVP yall rock! :rockon:

And PCE is a LOOOOOSEEEEER!!! :D ;)

:laugh:

Yea isnt that wierd? We will actually be on the same side now. :eek:

PatsCrowEater

09-12-2007, 04:59 AM

From 7 runs down to 7 runs up in the blink of an eye.

Scoreboard watching must have been very painful for the Yanks last night. :rockon:

keithbishop

09-12-2007, 11:03 AM

:laugh:

Yea isnt that wierd? We will actually be on the same side now. :eek:

Very cool, though. :rockon:

keithbishop

09-12-2007, 11:09 AM

From 7 runs down to 7 runs up in the blink of an eye.

Scoreboard watching must have been very painful for the Yanks last night. :rockon:

Let me get this straight...

1. The Yankees won easily --6th straight win.
2. I listened to an excellent game: AA Trenton's Championship Series Game 1 victory, led by big-time CF prospect Austin Jackson.
3. We gained a game on Seattle.
4. We gained 1/2 a game on Detroit.

I'm supposed to cry because boston beat the mighty D-Rays??
Where's the "painful" part? Because it was merely a GREAT night, not a PERFECT night? :confused: :laugh:

PatsCrowEater

09-12-2007, 12:04 PM

2. I listened to an excellent game: AA Trenton's Championship Series Game 1 victory, led by big-time CF prospect Austin Jackson.
:

Is Trenton playing Portland?

keithbishop

09-12-2007, 06:41 PM

Is Trenton playing Portland?

Trenton leads Akron 2 games to 0 in the Championship Series after eliminating Portland in the 1st round.

BaileyTheBest

09-12-2007, 07:40 PM

BIG PAPI hits a walk-off homerun to beat the D-Rays!! His first walk-off HR of the season and 9th of the season! Way to go PAPI!!!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-12-2007, 09:22 PM

:laugh: DevilRays :laugh:

They must really want Boston to win the division after blowing leads in back to back games.

I just knew they couldn't hold on to a 4-0 lead today.

Thats too hard for those AA guys.

PatsCrowEater

09-14-2007, 04:54 PM

Sox Yanks

Nothing Nothing going into the bottom of the second.

Jeter's defense so far not so good.

PatsCrowEater

09-14-2007, 05:17 PM

Sox Yanks Top of the 3rd

Ellsbury comes through with a RBI single in the bottom of 2.

Sox 1
Yanks 0

I'm on pins and needles with Dice-K. Let's hope these fatigue rumors are false and he has a greeat game.

PatsCrowEater

09-14-2007, 05:38 PM

Sox/Yanks. The bottom of the third just ended...

Great throw by Melky to nail Ortiz at the plate.

However, crappy D by Giambi at first allowing Lowell to score. Yanks D not so good.

Red Sox 2

Yanks 0

~It's my pleasure providing this gamecast to the hundreds of Sox/Yanks fans here at this Denver Broncos Message Board. ~ :clap:

PatsCrowEater

09-14-2007, 05:58 PM

Sox/Yanks Going into the bottom of the 4th.

Yanks got Dice-K into serious trouble but only got 1 run thanks to great DP by Sox defense.

Sox 2
Yanks 1

~It's my pleasure providing this gamecast to the hundreds of Sox/Yanks fans here at this Denver Broncos Message Board. ~ :clap:

Edit:rockon: Kielty is at 3rd w/ 0 outs in the bottom of the 4th thanks to the PLAYMAKER Jaocoby Ellsbury!!

keithbishop

09-14-2007, 08:57 PM

LiquidBlue

09-14-2007, 09:02 PM

I'd like to request the rest of tonight's gamecast, if I may....

Oh go to hell KB.

I'm going to sleep before I say something that will get me banned. :fight:

Don't f*** with me tonight.

RunYouOver

09-14-2007, 09:13 PM

I'd like to request the rest of tonight's gamecast, if I may....

Make 2 copies :smug:

keithbishop

09-14-2007, 09:27 PM

Oh go to hell KB.

I'm going to sleep before I say something that will get me banned. :fight:

Don't f*** with me tonight.

I didn't post anything out of line and would have expected trash talk from red sox fans had boston won 7-2, especially after Pettitte got knocked around. Didn't direct anything at you as it was.
Say whatever you feel you need to tell me via PM if you'd like, I can take it. No need to get banned.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-15-2007, 05:23 AM

Oh go to hell KB.

I'm going to sleep before I say something that will get me banned. :fight:

Don't f*** with me tonight.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Poor guy.
Why are you so upset??

Boston has a 4 1/2 game lead over us.

Nothing to be worried about at all my friend.
lol @ getting banned.

And KB Make 3 Copies please. :salute:

keithbishop

09-15-2007, 06:05 AM

Boston has a 4 1/2 game lead over us.

Exactly. 4.5 over us and, even with a collapse (VERY unlikely), 8 in the wild card. I wish we had it so rough. ;)

PatsCrowEater

09-15-2007, 06:41 AM

I'd like to request the rest of tonight's gamecast, if I may....

Shocking come from behind win for NY last nite. Ruined a nice start by
Dice-K.

First SpyGate and now this?

Thank god for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

RunYouOver

09-15-2007, 09:05 AM

Shocking come from behind win for NY last nite. Ruined a nice start by
Dice-K.

First SpyGate and now this?

Thank god for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

Speaking of Garnett...I heard something recently about a knee injury?:confused:

He might miss a month or so of the season :eek:

PatsCrowEater

09-15-2007, 11:27 AM

Speaking of Garnett...I heard something recently about a knee injury?:confused:

He might miss a month or so of the season :eek:

No truth to that. They're getting ready to go to Italy for training camp.

Ray Allen was recently cleared to practice.

PatsCrowEater

09-15-2007, 03:28 PM

Red Sox 5
Yanks 1

Top of the 7th 2 outs

Beckett has been outstanding but he just hit Giambi and got a warning.

PatsCrowEater

09-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Top of the 8th

9 to 1, BOS

Yankees bullpen not so good.

I know how that feels.

keithbishop

09-15-2007, 04:37 PM

Top of the 8th

9 to 1, BOS

Yankees bullpen not so good.

I know how that feels.

10 to 1. I don't feel a spectacular comeback in the air. ;)

Beckett was unbelievable today.

PatsCrowEater

09-15-2007, 04:49 PM

10 to 1. I don't feel a spectacular comeback in the air. ;)

Beckett was unbelievable today.

Nope, not today.

Do you think Beckett should be the leader for the Cy Young?

I do, nobody's been more consistent than Josh.

keithbishop

09-15-2007, 06:57 PM

Nope, not today.

Do you think Beckett should be the leader for the Cy Young?

I do, nobody's been more consistent than Josh.

He pretty much has it wrapped up.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-16-2007, 02:32 AM

Nice win today. :salute:

Hopefully the Yankees can take the season series on Sunday.

And yea I hate Beckett with a passion. I cant stand his smug little face as hes chewing bubble gum on the mound. :laugh:

It makes me sick but he has done a great job pitching this year. So He should win the Cy Young.

You have the Cy Young and we have the MVP. :salute:

PatsCrowEater

09-16-2007, 05:43 AM

You have the Cy Young and we have the MVP. :salute:

I think we also have the Rookie of the Year in Dustin Pedroia. :rockon:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-16-2007, 07:47 AM

I think we also have the Rookie of the Year in Dustin Pedroia. :rockon:

Yea he's one of the front runners. It seems so wierd as him being a Rookie because I saw a lot of him last year it seems like. Baseball is wack and thier requirements for "rookies".

Last year on a different forum a Boston fan said: " It sure is nice having the MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the year, and coolest guy in baseball on my team"

That was back in the middle of August he said that I think. :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

09-16-2007, 12:26 PM

Good win yesterday. We really needed that. As for Friday's game, what are the odds that your 2 best relievers pitch the worst game of their careers in the same inning? But we spanked 'em yesterday and we can all but seal up the division today. The magic # is now at 9!

RunYouOver

09-16-2007, 06:51 PM

No truth to that. They're getting ready to go to Italy for training camp.

Ray Allen was recently cleared to practice.

I was kidding ;)

I hate to admit it, but you guys do have ROY and CY, we've got MVP.

We'll see how it plays out in the playoffs.

1-1 in the bottom of the 6th right now...

BaileyTheBest

09-18-2007, 07:04 PM

If Terry Francona has a brain, Erica GAGne will never pitch in a meaningful game for the Red Sox again. I don't even want his sorry ass on the playoff roster.

PatsCrowEater

09-18-2007, 07:24 PM

If Terry Francona has a brain, Erica GAGne will never pitch in a meaningful game for the Red Sox again. I don't even want his sorry ass on the playoff roster.

Eric Gagne should be thrown off the team......

NOW!!!

BaileyTheBest

09-18-2007, 07:35 PM

If we had not traded for him, we would have definitely won the division by now. That's like the 4th or 5th game he has cost us.

When is Manny coming back?

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-18-2007, 08:43 PM

:laugh: Gagne.

Now you know why he is my Adopted Boston Player. :rockon:

And I thought y'all already won the division. :confused:

Yankees can still win it??

Nice :salute:

Medford Bronco

09-18-2007, 10:07 PM

:laugh: Gagne.

Now you know why he is my Adopted Boston Player. :rockon:

And I thought y'all already won the division. :confused:

Yankees can still win it??

Nice :e:

what is sad as a Red Sox and Dodgers fan I have seen
Gagne be as good as Rivera pre injuries. He should hang it up. He is not even 10% of what he used to be. In 2002 or 03 he would have eaten Toronto for Lunch with his 98 MPH fastball and a curve of 72 MPH..

It was not a good baseball day for me... Dodgers suck as well.

Thank God Det lost as it helped Boston out.

If the playoffs were Sox vs Indians right now, I would favor Cleveland.
I also would favor the Angels and Yanks.. It is not how you start, but how you finish. I give full credit to NY as they are en fuego. :salute:

I just wish they (Sox or Dodgers) could be part of the pathetic NL Central where 85 win is going to probably win the division. :hammer:

RunYouOver

09-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Looks to me like the Red Sox are panicking.

Buchholz was doing well, had one bad inning in the fifth, allowed 2 runs, and was immediately taken out of the game after 4 2/3.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-19-2007, 09:19 PM

BaileyTheBest

09-20-2007, 11:14 AM

The Good news is Boston has an off day on Thursday Then thier top 3 starters give it a go. :salute:

I dont see any reason why they will panick.

Bailey knows how good this team is and that they will bounce back. :salute:

We might not be in this situation if our moron manager knew how to manage a pitching staff. But as long as we get into the playoffs I'm happy. It really doesn't matter if we win the division. I mean , we did win the World Series as a wild card. Now don't get me wrong, I would love for us to hang on and win the division but it wouldn't be the end of the world if we didn't.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-20-2007, 10:41 PM

BaileyTheBest

09-21-2007, 09:01 PM

:laugh: Would you like me to go on a list of excuses?? :confused:

But yea I agree. As long as we make the playoffs It dont matter how we get in. All I want is a chance to win the World Series. Once your in anythings possible.

It should be a fun and exciting October. :salute:

But I will take the division crown too!

Who says the Red Sox are chokers?

Beckett leads us to an 8-1 victory over the D-Rays and their ace Scott Kazmir. With a Yanks loss our magic # for the division is 7 and our magic # for the playoffs is 2!!!

Congrats to Beckett on his 20th win! I would say that he just about wrapped up the Cy Young tonight.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-21-2007, 09:54 PM

I'm tired of winning the division year after year.
Boston can have it. :laugh:

Thats what I said to my buddy.

I said: Yankees lost: Good stuff.

And he asked if I was feeling okay.

and I just said that I'm tired of winning the east and I want another ring. :salute:

But whatever.

And Halladay should be Cy Young.
He has to pitch against Boston and New York and shuts them down the majority of the time. :salute:

oh well.

All we have to do is gain 2 games on Boston in the final 9 days or so. ;)

BaileyTheBest

09-22-2007, 07:50 PM

keithbishop

09-22-2007, 08:27 PM

The Boston Red Sox are going to the playoffs! Jason Varitek and Alex Cora are the heroes with the game tying and game winning home runs in the 9th!

And the Red Sox are also back atop the American League standings!

Any chance the sox can make a trade with the D-Rays to get Reyes? He should be on the sox payroll with the "effort" he puts into beating them. ;)

BaileyTheBest

09-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Any chance the sox can make a trade with the D-Rays to get Reyes? He should be on the sox payroll with the "effort" he puts into beating them. ;)

Nah, I'm sure Reyes was trying his best. We're just that good! :D

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-22-2007, 09:30 PM

Any chance the sox can make a trade with the D-Rays to get Reyes? He should be on the sox payroll with the "effort" he puts into beating them. ;)

:laugh: The D-rays are friggin pathetic.
I wish Goodell was the MLB Commish so he could fine them for giving up every damn game.

Jesus.

It seems like the only team they show up against is the Yankees. :coffee:

BaileyTheBest

09-23-2007, 06:42 AM

:laugh: The D-rays are friggin pathetic.
I wish Goodell was the MLB Commish so he could fine them for giving up every damn game.

Jesus.

It seems like the only team they show up against is the Yankees. :coffee:

They led the team with the best record in baseball heading into the 9th inning. You can't say they didn't show up against the Red Sox. :coffee:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-23-2007, 09:23 AM

They led the team with the best record in baseball heading into the 9th inning. You can't say they didn't show up against the Red Sox. :coffee:

Yea too bad a baseball game is 9 innings long. :coffee:

Maybe I used a bad choice of words.
Perhaps they should stop giving up.

I knew they would win the game anyways.
I got a text saying: How did the Yankees and Boston do.

I replied and said: Yankees won in extras and Boston played the Devil-Rays.

They knew exactly what I meant.

At least you get to play the D-rays on the road.
It be even easier if you played them at home. :eek:

BaileyTheBest

09-23-2007, 04:21 PM

Man, today really kicked me in the balls as a sports fan. The Yanks won and the Sox lost. The Raiders and Chiefs won and the Broncos lost. What a crappy day.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-23-2007, 04:46 PM

Man, today really kicked me in the balls as a sports fan. The Yanks won and the Sox lost. The Raiders and Chiefs won and the Broncos lost. What a crappy day.

Chargers lost though. :salute:
So it wasn't too bad.

BaileyTheBest

09-25-2007, 08:26 PM

Magic number for the division in now THREE!

PatsCrowEater

09-25-2007, 08:56 PM

Magic number for the division in now THREE!

Manny's back, Youk is back, Okajima is back Thursday.

It's just like old times in Boston.

Hey Yankee fans: What happened tonight at the Trop?

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-25-2007, 09:41 PM

:laugh:

Magic number is 3 :salute:

I hope you guys hurry up and win the damn division already.

I'm ready for some October baseball. :rockon:

keithbishop

09-26-2007, 03:08 AM

Manny's back, Youk is back, Okajima is back Thursday.

It's just like old times in Boston.

Hey Yankee fans: What happened tonight at the Trop?

What happened? We lost. I know Tampa hasn't beat you since Sunday, but, for the record, 2 of our middle relievers were pathetic.

Let me get this straight: the same Youkilis you cried about only missed a few games while our 1B, Phillips, is done for the season after suffering a broken wrist after being HBP? Why did you cry like a little girl about it? Doesn't make sense.

BaileyTheBest

09-26-2007, 05:16 AM

What happened? We lost. I know Tampa hasn't beat you since Sunday, but, for the record, 2 of our middle relievers were pathetic.

Let me get this straight: the same Youkilis you cried about only missed a few games while our 1B, Phillips, is done for the season after suffering a broken wrist after being HBP? Why did you cry like a little girl about it? Doesn't make sense.

Keith shut the hell up. What are you getting at trying to make fun of injured players? I thought you had more class than that. Why don't you get hit in the wrist with a 90+ MPH fastball then come back and tell us about it. Until then, you really don't have any room to talk.

keithbishop

09-26-2007, 11:28 AM

Keith shut the hell up. What are you getting at trying to make fun of injured players? I thought you had more class than that. Why don't you get hit in the wrist with a 90+ MPH fastball then come back and tell us about it. Until then, you really don't have any room to talk.

LOL. Love you guys telling me to shut the hell up. :laugh:

What was I making fun of? Yankees 1B Andy Phillips was hit in the wrist, just like Youkilis. The difference: Youkilis missed 7 games while Phillips had season ending surgery. You're not really trying to say Youkilis injury was more serious than Phillips season ending injury, right? Where did I say a wrist injury was funny? I'd just prefer the 7-game version to the season-ending version. How about you?

I wasn't making fun of anything....just trying to show PCE that the injury could have been much worse.

Either you don't know who Phillips is or you think I was "joking" by making something up.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070903&content_id=2186584&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
09/03/2007 7:00 PM ET
Notes: Phillips to have wrist surgery
Tuesday operation to prematurely end first baseman's season
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com

NEW YORK -- Andy Phillips' troubled season has been dealt another bad break. The Yankees first baseman suffered a fractured pisiform bone in his right wrist and will have season-ending surgery on Tuesday.
The 29-year-old Phillips was hit by a Jason Hammel fastball in the fifth inning of the Yankees' 8-2 loss to the Devil Rays on Sunday. Phillips remained in the game to run the bases but did not come out for the next inning in the field.

Phillips was seen Monday by team physician Dr. Stuart Hershon and hand specialist Dr. Melvin Rosenwasser, who confirmed an original diagnosis of a fracture. The Yankees announced that Phillips will undergo surgery at the Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York and will miss an estimated four to six weeks.

"The timing of it, more than anything, is disappointing," Phillips said. "It's pretty simple math, if you go according to what they say the timetable is."

Phillips said that he feared the injury was rather serious as he left the game, heading directly to the clubhouse to receive ice treatment and a protective wrap.

"I had an indication," Phillips said. "I wanted to think it wasn't. I've never been hit in the hand before, so I don't know what to compare it to, as far as if it was broken or not broken. I knew by the way it felt that it probably wasn't your run of the mill, just getting hit by a pitch."

Phillips said that he felt as though "someone hit [him] with a hammer" on the wrist, which he said did not swell much overnight.

In 61 games for the Yankees, Phillips was batting .292 (54-for-185) with two home runs and 25 RBIs, enjoying something of a pleasant comeback story.

"He had a lot of good things happen in between some really tough times for himself," Torre said.

Phillips' Spring Training was interrupted by his mother's serious traffic accident back home in Alabama, costing him playing time as he competed to win a job as the right-handed half of a first-base platoon. Last season, his wife, Bethany, battled cancer after a molar pregnancy, an emotionally draining situation that he kept quiet even from teammates for most of the year.

"I guess going through some of the stuff I've gone through in the past has helped me deal with this a little bit easier," Phillips said. "I'm pleased I was able to come up here and contribute and help the team get back in the race. I feel good about that. But it's disappointing."

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-26-2007, 02:27 PM

:laugh: @ pathetic Boston fans telling Keith to shut the hell up.
Thats 2 now in the last week I think :eek:

But yea KB is now PCE.
He doesn't joke about players getting hurt.

BaileyTheBest

09-26-2007, 05:21 PM

LOL. Love you guys telling me to shut the hell up. :laugh:

What was I making fun of? Yankees 1B Andy Phillips was hit in the wrist, just like Youkilis. The difference: Youkilis missed 7 games while Phillips had season ending surgery. You're not really trying to say Youkilis injury was more serious than Phillips season ending injury, right? Where did I say a wrist injury was funny? I'd just prefer the 7-game version to the season-ending version. How about you?

I wasn't making fun of anything....just trying to show PCE that the injury could have been much worse.

Either you don't know who Phillips is or you think I was "joking" by making something up.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070903&content_id=2186584&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
09/03/2007 7:00 PM ET
Notes: Phillips to have wrist surgery
Tuesday operation to prematurely end first baseman's season
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com

NEW YORK -- Andy Phillips' troubled season has been dealt another bad break. The Yankees first baseman suffered a fractured pisiform bone in his right wrist and will have season-ending surgery on Tuesday.
The 29-year-old Phillips was hit by a Jason Hammel fastball in the fifth inning of the Yankees' 8-2 loss to the Devil Rays on Sunday. Phillips remained in the game to run the bases but did not come out for the next inning in the field.

Phillips was seen Monday by team physician Dr. Stuart Hershon and hand specialist Dr. Melvin Rosenwasser, who confirmed an original diagnosis of a fracture. The Yankees announced that Phillips will undergo surgery at the Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York and will miss an estimated four to six weeks.

"The timing of it, more than anything, is disappointing," Phillips said. "It's pretty simple math, if you go according to what they say the timetable is."

Phillips said that he feared the injury was rather serious as he left the game, heading directly to the clubhouse to receive ice treatment and a protective wrap.

"I had an indication," Phillips said. "I wanted to think it wasn't. I've never been hit in the hand before, so I don't know what to compare it to, as far as if it was broken or not broken. I knew by the way it felt that it probably wasn't your run of the mill, just getting hit by a pitch."

Phillips said that he felt as though "someone hit [him] with a hammer" on the wrist, which he said did not swell much overnight.

In 61 games for the Yankees, Phillips was batting .292 (54-for-185) with two home runs and 25 RBIs, enjoying something of a pleasant comeback story.

"He had a lot of good things happen in between some really tough times for himself," Torre said.

Phillips' Spring Training was interrupted by his mother's serious traffic accident back home in Alabama, costing him playing time as he competed to win a job as the right-handed half of a first-base platoon. Last season, his wife, Bethany, battled cancer after a molar pregnancy, an emotionally draining situation that he kept quiet even from teammates for most of the year.

"I guess going through some of the stuff I've gone through in the past has helped me deal with this a little bit easier," Phillips said. "I'm pleased I was able to come up here and contribute and help the team get back in the race. I feel good about that. But it's disappointing."

my mistake. i misread your post. i thought you said youkilis cried about his wrist getting hurt.

keithbishop

09-26-2007, 06:01 PM

my mistake. i misread your post. i thought you said youkilis cried about his wrist getting hurt.

No problem. I could never do that. Jeter struggled with a wrist injury for a couple months after being HBP last season , Sheffield was lost for a long stretch AND Giambi played the last month + of last season with a broken bone in his wrist. I don't wish injuries on anyone and was glad to see Youkilis return fairly quickly.

Bronco Axe

09-28-2007, 08:53 PM

THE RED SOX CLINCH!!!! YESSS!!!! Burn yanks BURRRN!!!:rockon::rockon::fight::fight: Boston will school the Angels cause they OWN their asses, then it is time once again to BREAK all you spankee fans AGAIN, then, somehow, I hope its the Mets they play in the Series, CAUSE THEY OWE THEM , BIG TIME!!

Congrats Boston, 1st East title in 12 years!

BaileyTheBest

09-28-2007, 10:29 PM

Al East CHAMPS baby!!!

I'm proud of my Sox. They started to fade down the stretch but they hung in there and toughed it out to take the division. Now let's go clinch the best record in the AL and take care of the Angels in the first round!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-28-2007, 10:32 PM

:salute: @ Boston winning the AL East.

Now I have something else to tell my kids/Grandkids other then the time Boston won the World Series.

I can actually tell them about the time they won the east. :salute:

Good stuff.

and :laugh: AXE.

Mets need some help.

PatsCrowEater

09-29-2007, 06:20 AM

Great job Red Sox and Orioles and hats off to the Yanks for giving the Sox a major battle for the division.

The Yanks had been 85-1 this year when having a lead after the 8th inning. I guess the Division just wasn't meant to be this year.

keithbishop

09-29-2007, 06:45 AM

Congrats on winning the East.

Sorry to hear about Buchholz: done for the year (tired arm).

BaileyTheBest

09-29-2007, 07:57 AM

Losing Buchholz sucks but we did fine most of the season without him and we still have the pitching to do well in the playoffs. I really hope we can hold off the Indians for the best record so that we can choose the first round schedule.

BaileyTheBest

09-29-2007, 07:21 PM

The Boston Red Sox have clinched the best record in the American League! since they get to choose the first round schedule, I would assume that they would pick the shorter schedule since their pitching is so deep.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-29-2007, 07:32 PM

I like how they just started that new schedule thing this year.
It should be interesting.

I hope they hurry up and choose so I know what day the Yankees will play on. :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

09-29-2007, 07:42 PM

I like how they just started that new schedule thing this year.
It should be interesting.

I hope they hurry up and choose so I know what day the Yankees will play on. :laugh:

We should know pretty soon because you have to decide within an hour of clinching the best record.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-29-2007, 07:56 PM

Nice :salute:

I wonder what happens if they dont decide?
Is it like the NFL Draft where the next team can quickly select? :laugh:

and I was rooting for Boston today just because I would have been pissed if Boston lost thier last 2 and the Yankees won thier last 2.. knowing that if we didnt blow it in the 9th we would be the East champs. :laugh:

oh well.

I hate the ALDS. :fight:

It seems to short.

BaileyTheBest

09-29-2007, 08:55 PM

Odd, the Red Sox chose the longer series. That confuses me because their staff is deep enough to play a short series. Oh well, our first game is Wednesday night and the Yanks start Thursday night.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-29-2007, 09:22 PM

Odd, the Red Sox chose the longer series. That confuses me because their staff is deep enough to play a short series. Oh well, our first game is Wednesday night and the Yanks start Thursday night.

Awesome :salute:

My last day at my job is on Wednesday :laugh:

So I get to watch some Yankee baseball.

Good stuff

PatsCrowEater

09-30-2007, 06:59 AM

It's great to see J.D. Drew coming on strong at the perfect time. Keep it going dude!

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:32 AM

It's great to see J.D. Drew coming on strong at the perfect time. Keep it going dude!

He's the Anti-Arod! :D ;)

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-30-2007, 07:33 AM

He's the Anti-Arod! :D ;)

:coffee: .......

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:35 AM

:coffee: .......

:laugh:

...

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:40 AM

JC, I noticed that you unadopted Gagne! :laugh:

Has his performance been disappointing you lately? :laugh:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-30-2007, 07:43 AM

JC, I noticed that you unadopted Gagne! :laugh:

Has his performance been disappointing you lately? :laugh:

:laugh:
Actually I didn't unadopt him.

But I notice that thats not in my signature now.
WHAT THE HELL??????????/

I wonder if the Mods cut out that in my sig?
Sometimes they tamper with my sig. :nono:

Very wierd and good observation because I noticed it now.

hmmm

Now I'm mad. :fight:

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:45 AM

:laugh:
Actually I didn't unadopt him.

But I notice that thats not in my signature now.
WHAT THE HELL??????????/

I wonder if the Mods cut out that in my sig?
Sometimes they tamper with my sig. :nono:

Very wierd and good observation because I noticed it now.

hmmm

Now I'm mad. :fight:

QUICK! Put it back! Gagne has been lights out as of late!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-30-2007, 07:47 AM

QUICK! Put it back! Gagne has been lights out as of late!

I dont want to do that and get a PM from the mods.
Theres a huge blank spot there now. :confused:

Very strange.

and It dont matter if I put it back or not.

Do you think Gagne will pitch in the playoffs? :laugh:

keithbishop

09-30-2007, 07:48 AM

He's the Anti-Arod! :D ;)

LVP!! LVP!! LVP!! LVP!!

Least Valuable Player

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:51 AM

I dont want to do that and get a PM from the mods.
Theres a huge blank spot there now. :confused:

Very strange.

and It dont matter if I put it back or not.

Do you think Gagne will pitch in the playoffs? :laugh:

Yeah, if yall somehow manage to beat the Indians, we will put Gagne in while we are whipping yall around Fenway Park! :D

BaileyTheBest

09-30-2007, 07:52 AM

LVP!! LVP!! LVP!! LVP!!

Least Valuable Player

I knew that post would get a rise out of you and Jay! :laugh:

Good stuff! :laugh:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-30-2007, 07:52 AM

LVP!! LVP!! LVP!! LVP!!

Least Valuable Player

:laugh: I'm shocked he even deserves an award.
But if hes anti then makes sense.

and :laugh: Bailey.
You want Gagne to blow that big of lead vs us. :eek:

keithbishop

09-30-2007, 10:50 AM

I knew that post would get a rise out of you and Jay! :laugh:

Good stuff! :laugh:

At least Nancy's no Tom Glavine:

0.1 IP 5 H 7 ER 2 BB 1 HB (Hit Dontrelle Willis with the bases loaded:eek:) 1 E

Not pretty when the division title hinges on today's game.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

09-30-2007, 10:52 AM

I thought Glavine was a reliable big time pitcher too. :eek:

Boy if the Mets dont make the playoffs I can give my Cousins hell. :salute:

PatsCrowEater

10-02-2007, 12:45 PM

Red Sox unvield their playoff roster for the ALDS. Wakefield had a cortisone shot after his last start and is not on the roster. Odd the Sox only have 10 pitchers and decided to go w/ three catchers.

Here's the roster that's going to get us to the ALCS.

Regulars:

Jason Varitek
Kevin Youkilis
Dustin Pedroia
Julio Lugo
Mike Lowell
J.D. Drew
Coco Crisp
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz

Bench:

Eric Hinske
Alex Cora
Jacoby Ellsbury
Bobby Kielty
Doug Mirabelli
Kevin Cash

Pitchers:

Josh Beckett
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Curt Schilling
Jon Lester
Jonathan Papelbon
Eric Gagne
Hideki Okajima
Mike Timlin
Manny Delcarmen
Javier Lopez

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-02-2007, 02:05 PM

BaileyTheBest

10-02-2007, 02:40 PM

Good stuff. :rockon:

:laugh:

Have you seen Gagne's stats over the past week or 2? Thought so.

And tell me, what pitcher would you put on the roster over him? Once again, thought so.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-02-2007, 02:57 PM

Have you seen Gagne's stats over the past week or 2? Thought so.

And tell me, what pitcher would you put on the roster over him? Once again, thought so.

Clay should be on the roster. :salute:
But he has a tired arm so he cant make it. :(

But I said good stuff because Gagne deserves a roster spot. :laugh:

I dont know why you are bashing me sir.

But Gagne wont play in a game anyways. :(

BaileyTheBest

10-02-2007, 03:00 PM

Clay should be on the roster. :salute:
But he has a tired arm so he cant make it. :(

But I said good stuff because Gagne deserves a roster spot. :laugh:

I dont know why you are bashing me sir.

But Gagne wont play in a game anyways. :(

Well with all our lovey-dovey agreement in the Rockies thread over the past few days, I had to make up for it by bashing you into the ground! :D

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-02-2007, 09:22 PM

Well with all our lovey-dovey agreement in the Rockies thread over the past few days, I had to make up for it by bashing you into the ground! :D

:laugh: @ bashing me into the ground.
Plus I like Gagne.

After all he is my adoptee :salute:

And yea it was wierd agreeing on something.
Way to keep things up :salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-03-2007, 06:11 PM

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-03-2007, 09:36 PM

Game 1: Red Sox- 4 Angels- 0

Red Sox lead series 1-0.

MVP:

Josh Beckett: Who else? He was simply amazing tonight.
CG, 0 R, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K

Other Stars:

David Ortiz: 2-3, HR, BB, 2 RBI, 1 R

Kevin Youkilis: 2-4, HR, 1 RBI, 2 R

Great way to start off the playoffs for the Red Sox. If Beckett can keep that up throughout the playoffs, the Sox will be a tough team to put out.

You have to hope the rest of your pitchers pitch like that ;)

Beckett doesn't pitch every game.
But that was a great performance by him. :salute:

1 win down and 2 to go. :rockon:

BaileyTheBest

10-05-2007, 09:49 PM

That's what you GET for pitching around Big Papi!

Red Sox-6 Angels-3

The Angles pitched around Papi in the bottom of the 9th in a 3-3 game with 2 outs to get to Manny and he flat out HAMMERED one over the Monster for a walk-off shot. The Yankees should watch tape of the Red Sox to see what CLUTCH looks like! :rockon:

Chidoze

10-05-2007, 10:00 PM

Jonathan Papelbon is a man amongst boys.

The guy has some serious gas on his pitches.

Incredible. :cool:

PatsCrowEater

10-06-2007, 06:01 AM

Manny! Manny! Manny!

A great smash and a great quote at his post-game press conference

"I guess, you know, when you don't feel good and you still get hits, that's when you know you are a bad man."

Bronco Axe

10-06-2007, 02:34 PM

ALLRIGHT! This is just like 1995 man! Boston, Cleveland, Colorado, the only one missing is Atlanta! Go BOSTON! I wanna see Red Sox pitching vs. Colorado hitting ion the series, would be a dream matchup if you ask me!

BaileyTheBest

10-06-2007, 06:30 PM

I figure if the WS is Boston and Colorado our pitching and their hitting would pretty much cancel each other out but I think that our hitting would dominate their pitching. I wouldn't see that series going any longer than 6 games.

BaileyTheBest

10-10-2007, 06:29 PM

For a team on the verge of going to the World Series, this thread sure has died Where yall at?

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-10-2007, 06:34 PM

:laugh:
Tragic.

All you Boston fans better get in this thread now to discuss your teams success :salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-10-2007, 06:40 PM

:laugh:
Tragic.

All you Boston fans better get in this thread now to discuss your teams success :salute:

We already know how good we are. We don't need other fans to reassure us, unlike some on the Disgruntled Empire thread! :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

10-10-2007, 06:53 PM

Sorry Jay, I forgot to sign that CP I just gave you! :laugh: :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-10-2007, 07:21 PM

Sorry Jay, I forgot to sign that CP I just gave you! :laugh: :salute:

:laugh:
I figured it was you anyways.

Since it had to do with our lunch plans. :salute:
:laugh:

And damn your sig/avi has way to much red in it.

BaileyTheBest

10-10-2007, 07:22 PM

:laugh:
I figured it was you anyways.

Since it had to do with our lunch plans. :salute:
:laugh:

And damn your sig/avi has way to much red in it.

I think it's a perfect amount of Red! :D

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-10-2007, 07:24 PM

This is going to sound wierd but it makes me hungry. :laugh:
It reminds me of like a Strawberry Cubcake or something of that sort.
Very wierd but thats the first thing I thought of. :laugh:

PatsCrowEater

10-11-2007, 09:58 AM

For a team on the verge of going to the World Series, this thread sure has died Where yall at?

I've been busy listening to that Suzyn Waldman crying clip.

I just can't get enough of that!!

Medford Bronco

10-11-2007, 10:15 AM

I've been busy listening to that Suzyn Waldman crying clip.

I just can't get enough of that!!

:laugh: That is classic

she can go with good old John Sterling.

saying ttthheeee Yannkkkeeessss Looosse, thhhheeeeehhhtttheee Yankeesss Lose :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

10-11-2007, 07:23 PM

I won't even be able to watch game 1 tomorrow. :(

I gotta go watch our high school football team.

Thank God for TiVo and the iPhone! :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-11-2007, 07:29 PM

I won't even be able to watch game 1 tomorrow. :

I gotta go watch our high school football team.

Thank God for TiVo and the iPhone! :salute:

:laugh:

I remember back when I played HS Football.
Those were the days.

I was pissed when we had a game when the Yankees were playing. :fight:

I always had a friend of mine put a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the Yankees did. :laugh:

So I'd always look in the crowd to get the signal. :salute:

good times.

BaileyTheBest

10-11-2007, 07:39 PM

I don't play. I just watch.

The only sport I'm involved with is Baseball and I'm just the statistician! :laugh:

I just found out the other day that I was going to be doing it this season! :laugh:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

I don't play. I just watch.

The only sport I'm involved with is Baseball and I'm just the statistician! :laugh:

I just found out the other day that I was going to be doing it this season! :laugh:

:laugh: @ Statistician. Nice

I played football and I played baseball and basketball when I was younger.

Now I just sit at home and wish I was still in Highschool. :laugh:

BaileyTheBest

10-11-2007, 07:44 PM

:laugh: @ Statistician. Nice

I played football and I played baseball and basketball when I was younger.

Now I just sit at home and wish I was still in Highschool. :laugh:

I can't wait till college. I'm gonna be a Florida Gator! (assuming i get in)

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-11-2007, 07:46 PM

I can't wait till college. I'm gonna be a Florida Gator! (assuming i get in)

Nice :salute:
I wish I was as smart as you.

I cant even get accepted into a community college :laugh: jk

BaileyTheBest

10-12-2007, 07:52 PM

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-12-2007, 08:21 PM

7 wins from a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

First of all, C.C. who? Boston showed him what's up tonight!

Heroes: Josh Beckett, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez...the usual suspects.

And in other news, Eric GAGne is still garbage.

Yea CC is just a fat cow. :laugh:

And Dont be hating on Gagne. :fight:

He got out of a bases loaded Jam.

I hope Boston wins the title this year because he deserved a ring. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-12-2007, 08:28 PM

Yea CC is just a fat cow. :laugh:

And Dont be hating on Gagne. :fight:

He got out of a bases loaded Jam.

I hope Boston wins the title this year because he deserved a ring. :salute:

Don't worry, your wish will be granted! :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-12-2007, 08:29 PM

Don't worry, your wish will be granted! :salute:

Good stuff. :rockon: :rockon:

Chidoze

10-12-2007, 08:36 PM

Boston looked on tonight.

But that doesnt mean Cleveland is done, watch out for these guys they're tough and resilient.

They didnt get to the playoffs and beat the yankees because they were lucky, they have a good squad and theyre not going to go quietly into that goodnight.

GO SOX!!!

Bronco Axe

10-13-2007, 07:44 PM

BaileyTheBest

10-13-2007, 07:48 PM

SORRY MAN! Cleveland is SO DONE! Friggin Sox R RELENTLESS!!! This is right now the best team I have seen since the Yankees in the late 90s! That trio of Ortiz/Ramirez/Lowell are just about UNSTOPPABLE! No one can keep them off base, no one can get them out.

23 postseason HRs for Manny! AL TIME RECORD!:rockon:

Yeah, if we can get out of this game with a win this series is over. I don't think we will have much of a problem with Westbrook or Byrd.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 08:08 PM

I love how they have the most randomest stats and stuff ever.

It gets more and more silly each day it seems. :laugh:

But did anyone see the stat when Cabrera was up?

It said: 1st player in MLB History named Abdrubal(sp).

:laugh:

Such crazyness.

BaileyTheBest

10-13-2007, 08:31 PM

Congrats to Manny on being the all-time postseason home run leader! :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 08:33 PM

I hope Bernie Williams comes back next year so he can break it again. :laugh:

Just kidding.

Congrats to Manny. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-13-2007, 10:04 PM

Oh Lord, here comes Gagne. :sad:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 10:05 PM

Oh Lord, here comes Gagne. :sad:

:laugh: :laugh:

Yea its exciting.
Papi should have hustled.
I'm shocked he didn't.
For a big guy he usually hustles a lot.

but Here comes my man :salute:

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 10:13 PM

Damn they took him out. :( :fight:

BaileyTheBest

10-13-2007, 10:13 PM

Well dang, who didn't see that one coming? :coffee:

GAGne sucks at life.

BaileyTheBest

10-13-2007, 10:16 PM

Trot F%@#&ING Nixon.

Once again....WAY TO BLOW IT GAGne!!!!!

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 10:16 PM

Well dang, who didn't see that one coming? :coffee:

GAGne sucks at life.

You were the one telling me how great he was over his last to "meaningless" outings. :laugh:

But Hey its not over. :salute:

I still like Gagne.

Please dont bash him.

kthxbye

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-13-2007, 10:31 PM

:laugh:

Cleveland scored a TD and XP in overtime. :rockon:

Heres to an 8 run rally for Boston. :salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-15-2007, 07:59 PM

Remember back in the day when the Red Sox were clutch? Now they are the biggest bunch of chokers I have ever seen. To our offense, way to show up against an average pitcher today. :rolleyes:

And to Dice-K, way to earn that 50 million bucks. :rolleyes:

If Beckett isn't pitching game 4 tomorrow, Tito ought to be slapped. I will BEYOND furious if Wakefield goes tomorrow.

Medford Bronco

10-15-2007, 09:45 PM

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-16-2007, 01:19 AM

Remember back in the day when the Red Sox were clutch? Now they are the biggest bunch of chokers I have ever seen. To our offense, way to show up against an average pitcher toda

And to Dice-K, way to earn that 50 million bucks. :rolleyes:

If Beckett isn't pitching game 4 tomorrow, Tito ought to be slapped. I will BEYOND furious if Wakefield goes tomorrow.

:laugh: Calm down. Its only 2 losses. Now you know how Yankee fans feel after losing 2 games to Cleveland(we lost 3). But that series is still not over by far.

You said the Series would go 6 at most anyways.
You could be right. :rockon:

And IMO Wake should go game 4.

If you go down 3-1? Then you have Josh for game 5 on the road. You win that game and its 3-2. Then Curt in front of the home crowd. So say he pitched a gem. Then its all tied at 3 with Dice-gay pitching for all the marbles in game 7 at home. He is a much better pitcher at home then on the road.

So keep the faith. :laugh:

But maybe Boston just isn't what you thought they were ;)

BaileyTheBest

10-16-2007, 04:26 AM

I still rather Beckett go in game 4 so that we can use him in game 7 as well. Assuming he won his 3 starts, we would just have to squeeze one win out of Schilling or Dice-K. I just don't trust Wake at all. Of course if our offense doesn't wake up it doesn't really matter who we put on the mound.

PatsCrowEater

10-16-2007, 05:07 AM

The Indians won fair and square but I can't believe how much the umps have been squeezing Dice-K all year and especially last night.

He locates his slider right at the knees but the umps often call it low. Also, he doesn't just nibble at the corners, he often hits the corners - but again they call it a ball.

As a rookie he's just not getting the calls. Case in point, Timlin comes in the game and throws one a couple inches off the plate and the ump calls it a strike.

PatsCrowEater

10-16-2007, 07:44 AM

Starting Wake would be insane

Mother Nature give me rain!!

BaileyTheBest

10-16-2007, 11:00 AM

Starting Wake would be insane

Mother Nature give me rain!!

It's official that Wake is starting.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107289/MLB789378.htm

Francona is an idiot for doing this. If Beckett went tonight, we could have used him in game 7 as well. With Wake pitching tonight, we will be lucky to get to a game 7. Wake better pitch the game of his life tonight.

PatsCrowEater

10-16-2007, 01:30 PM

It's official that Wake is starting.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107289/MLB789378.htm

Francona is an idiot for doing this. If Beckett went tonight, we could have used him in game 7 as well. With Wake pitching tonight, we will be lucky to get to a game 7. Wake better pitch the game of his life tonight.

There's a good chance it will rain tonight in Cleveland and I don't like a knuckleballer pitching in the rain.

Let's hope for showers and the game is rained out and Beckett can take Wake's place.

horsesense

10-16-2007, 01:46 PM

Last nights ump was squeezin both pitchers. I thought the game was called fair. The base running blunder by Ortiz turned out to be big, and Veriteks homer was about 3 innings too late. I still see the Sox winning in 7, even though NOBODY had the Indians/Rockies in the WS in april except maybe snapping turtle (congrtas btw), and a poor Browns fan or two..:P:D

BaileyTheBest

10-16-2007, 02:00 PM

Yeah, I didn't really have a problem with the umps last night. I had more of a problem with our offense's sudden inability to hit the ball out of the outfield.

horsesense

10-16-2007, 02:08 PM

This series is going 7 games. Bank on it..:salute:

BaileyTheBest

10-16-2007, 05:04 PM

Go get 'em tonight Wake!

I'm not happy with the fact that he's starting but it's not his fault his manager is an idiot! Go out there and prove me wrong Wake!

BaileyTheBest

10-16-2007, 07:14 PM

I'm only going to blame half of this on Francona. The other half goes to our terrible, no-good, choking offense. These last 3 games have been a joke.

Unfortunately though, Wake proved me right. Francona is an idiot who has no idea how to manage a pitching staff. First, he switches Dice-K and Schilling in the order, despite them having success throughout the season and in the first round with Dice-K ahead of Schilling. Then he inexplicably puts GAGne out there in the 11th inning of game 2. Then facing a possible 3-1 deficit, he pitches Wake, who is coming off injury, over Beckett who is pure money in the playoffs. Now, assuming Cleveland hangs on, we are in deep doo-doo.

Chidoze

10-16-2007, 08:29 PM

Thanks for coming Boston, see you next year.

Broncosfreak_56

10-16-2007, 09:35 PM

Cleveland in 5? Maybe.

keithbishop

10-16-2007, 09:35 PM

Just wondering if sox fans are going to defend Manny's bush league celebration of a meaningless HR. Did he think it was a walkoff shot? BOO!!!!!!

In better news, Game 5 should be outstanding.

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-16-2007, 09:40 PM

PatsCrowEater

10-17-2007, 04:39 AM

Just wondering if sox fans are going to defend Manny's bush league celebration of a meaningless HR. Did he think it was a walkoff shot? BOO!!!!!!

Manny's in a world of his own. Everyone knows that.

That's why pitchers don't retaliate against him. Manny doesn't know any better.

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 04:41 AM

:laugh: Calm down guys.
Its still far from over.

I'm sure you were mad being down 3-0 vs the Yankees too.
If you were even a fan back then. :eek:

And yea Josh could start on short rest but you act like he is an automatic W.
IF he is an automatic W then the series is obviously going back to Boston.

But suppose he had a bad start on game 4? Then he isn't going in game 5 and you lose. Then there is no Game 7. Just like Lou taking Z out early because he was saving him for game 4. There was no game 4. :laugh:

The worst move Francona made was switching Curt with Dice IMO.
oh well.
The fans dont manage the Team.
Terry knows how to manage a team down 3-0 or 3-1.

But maybe the Indians are a good team? Ever think of that? :eek:

Beckett has proved in the past that he can pitch well on short rest. You should know that being a Yankees fan! I can guarantee you that Beckett wouldn't have given up close to 7 runs last night. Francona has just made bad move after bad move in this series. As for the Indians, yes they are a good team but our 1-2, and 6-9 hitters have made their pitchers look alot better than they really are. People can bring up the 04 ALCS but this just doesn't look like the same type of team we had back then. The 04 team was always upbeat, crazy, and never lost hope. This team, other than Manny and Papi, really doesn't seem to have the same emotion and swagger as the 04 team had. (and yes Jay, contrary to your belief, I was still a Sox fan back then) Now I haven't lost all hope, I think they can come back in this series, it just doesn't look like they will.

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 04:50 AM

Manny's in a world of his own. Everyone knows that.

That's why pitchers don't retaliate against him. Manny doesn't know any better.

Of course he knows better.

"Manny being Manny" and "Manny's in a world of his own" are euphemisms for Manny doesn't have an ounce of class. Other players get attacked, Manny gets a pass. Unbelievable.

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 04:58 AM

Of course he knows better.

"Manny being Manny" and "Manny's in a world of his own" are euphemisms for Manny doesn't have an ounce of class. Other players get attacked, Manny gets a pass. Unbelievable.

Keith, most opposing players don't seem to have a problem with it, I not sure why you do. I think you're just mad because people pick on you boy A-Rod and not Manny. I think Manny does what he does just to try to be funny. He doesn't mean any harm by any of the stuff he does. I mean seriously, what's the worst thing he's done? Go into the wall between innings? Celebrate a HR? None of that actually affects the game like when A-Rod slaps balls out of people's hands and tries to distract infielders while running the bases.

PatsCrowEater

10-17-2007, 06:41 AM

Medford Bronco

10-17-2007, 08:24 AM

I totally agree. And KB saying Manny doesn't have an ounce of class is way over the top.

You saw that every time Manny gets on base in the ALCS he is joking around and talking with the Cleveland infielders. If Manny truly didn't have an "ounce of class" then the Indians wouldn't be having fun with him.

A-Rod doesn't joke around with opposing players because nobody likes him and he has zero personality.

Manny is a likable guy and that pisses the hell out of KB.

Manny is far from my favorite
but I cant stand
Arod for a sense that he wants $33 million. What $25 million is not enough for your 1 HR in the Playoffs in 58 AB.. Jim Leyriz (sp) was more clutch that Arod ever was.. Maybe he should get some lessons from Scott Brosious on how not to choke in the playoffs. ARod the Dan Marino of baseball players.

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 10:02 AM

I totally agree. And KB saying Manny doesn't have an ounce of class is way over the top.

You saw that every time Manny gets on base in the ALCS he is joking around and talking with the Cleveland infielders. If Manny truly didn't have an "ounce of class" then the Indians wouldn't be having fun with him.

A-Rod doesn't joke around with opposing players because nobody likes him and he has zero personality.

Manny is a likable guy and that pisses the hell out of KB.

True, and to add on to that, if you watch clips from a Sox batting practice, Manny is always laughing and joking around with players from the other team. I would most compare him to Chad Johnson of the NFL. While CJ does act out and does things that some would consider "classless", most of the players in the NFL love him and they always joke around with him. So yeah, I'm not sure where Keith got this "not one ounce of class" thing from. If Manny doesn't have one ounce of class, I would hate to know how much A-Rod has. It would have to be in the negative numbers.

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 03:35 PM

Keith, most opposing players don't seem to have a problem with it, I not sure why you do. I think you're just mad because people pick on you boy A-Rod and not Manny. I think Manny does what he does just to try to be funny. He doesn't mean any harm by any of the stuff he does. I mean seriously, what's the worst thing he's done? Go into the wall between innings? Celebrate a HR? None of that actually affects the game like when A-Rod slaps balls out of people's hands and tries to distract infielders while running the bases.

Of course it affects the game. It not only gives his team a black eye, but are you oblivious to the fact that it can only serve to motivate the opposition?

Indians fan's take:
I admit, I was hoping against hope that the first pitch of his next AB, with 2 out nobody on, we drilled one right into his ribcage. I'm not normally one for that kind of old-school stuff, but to stand there with your arms up, then slowly walking to first, THAT's bush league.
http://btbfansite.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1192376228&page=2

washington post:

Except for Ramirez, that is, for whom there was nothing bleak about the situation at all. Oh, for the Red Sox to have been playing in Ramirez's game, instead of the other way around.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101602460_2.html?sid=ST2007101202679

--My favorite-- :

What is certain, however, is that those three blasts looked almost ridiculously inadequate against the magnitude of Cleveland's lead. To make matters worse, Ramirez, after his breathtaking 451-foot tee shot over the center field fence, had one of his vain, oblivious Manny-being-Manny moments. With his team still losing by four and its season in jeopardy, Ramirez posed for several seconds at home plate with both arms over his head, just as he did in a now-well-known photograph of his walk-off homer in Game 2 of the Division Series against the Angels.

Earth to Manny: When you're still behind 7-3, forget the hot-dogging and just run around the bases. If the Indians needed further motivation to finish off this victory -- or this series, for that matter -- the ex-Indian Ramirez may have given it to them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101602460_2.html?sid=ST2007101202679

Writers nation wide are picking on your boy Manny.... you're pretending this is just me because????

A-Rod has no class (according to you and PCE) yet you want him on your team?? Please explain.

You won't find a Yankees fan that would want to see that punk Ramirez in pinstripes.

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 03:37 PM

I totally agree. And KB saying Manny doesn't have an ounce of class is way over the top.

You saw that every time Manny gets on base in the ALCS he is joking around and talking with the Cleveland infielders. If Manny truly didn't have an "ounce of class" then the Indians wouldn't be having fun with him.

A-Rod doesn't joke around with opposing players because nobody likes him and he has zero personality.

Manny is a likable guy and that pisses the hell out of KB.

Not at all. Showboating, especially in a loss, pisses me off. Why do you like showboating in a loss?

Let's hold you to your standards. Your favorite question when you get upset at a-Rod is: Would Jeter do it? Let's hold Manny to that standard, unless you need to use a double standard. Would Jeter do it? Would Ortiz do it? Youkilis? Pedroia?

Tell us why you want A-Rod to join the red sox..... unless, of course, you're going to deny that now.

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 03:48 PM

Manny is far from my favorite
but I cant stand
Arod for a sense that he wants $33 million. What $25 million is not enough for your 1 HR in the Playoffs in 58 AB.. Jim Leyriz (sp) was more clutch that Arod ever was.. Maybe he should get some lessons from Scott Brosious on how not to choke in the playoffs. ARod the Dan Marino of baseball players.

My friend.... I have to ask what that has to do with Manny's HR pose when he made the score Indians 7 red sox 3 in the 6th inning last night. I know you don't condone showboating in a loss. Bailey and PCE do.

I certainly hope that A-Rod doesn't opt out, but if he does, he's gone. Boras did the Dodgers a favor by getting Nancy to opt out. If he gets A-Rod to do the same, so be it..... the Yankees will move on to another 3B. Nettles will always be my favorite Yankee 3B, and I survived when he signed with the Padres.

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 03:51 PM

Of course it affects the game. It not only gives his team a black eye, but are you oblivious to the fact that it can only serve to motivate the opposition?

Indians fan's take:
I admit, I was hoping against hope that the first pitch of his next AB, with 2 out nobody on, we drilled one right into his ribcage. I'm not normally one for that kind of old-school stuff, but to stand there with your arms up, then slowly walking to first, THAT's bush league.
http://btbfansite.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1192376228&page=2

washington post:

Except for Ramirez, that is, for whom there was nothing bleak about the situation at all. Oh, for the Red Sox to have been playing in Ramirez's game, instead of the other way around.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101602460_2.html?sid=ST2007101202679

--My favorite-- :

What is certain, however, is that those three blasts looked almost ridiculously inadequate against the magnitude of Cleveland's lead. To make matters worse, Ramirez, after his breathtaking 451-foot tee shot over the center field fence, had one of his vain, oblivious Manny-being-Manny moments. With his team still losing by four and its season in jeopardy, Ramirez posed for several seconds at home plate with both arms over his head, just as he did in a now-well-known photograph of his walk-off homer in Game 2 of the Division Series against the Angels.

Earth to Manny: When you're still behind 7-3, forget the hot-dogging and just run around the bases. If the Indians needed further motivation to finish off this victory -- or this series, for that matter -- the ex-Indian Ramirez may have given it to them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101602460_2.html?sid=ST2007101202679

Writers nation wide are picking on your boy Manny.... you're pretending this is just me because????

A-Rod has no class (according to you and PCE) yet you want him on your team?? Please explain.

You won't find a Yankees fan that would want to see that punk Ramirez in pinstripes.

Your 2 examples are an Indians fan and some writer for the Washington post? Yeah, you have no case. Nice try though.

The only person Manny's shenanigans hurt is himself. Until you can give me quotes from opposing players who have a problem with the various stunts that Manny pulls, you really don't have an argument.

Medford Bronco

10-17-2007, 04:09 PM

My friend.... I have to ask what that has to do with Manny's HR pose when he made the score Indians 7 red sox 3 in the 6th inning last night. I know you don't condone showboating in a loss. Bailey and PCE do.

I certainly hope that A-Rod doesn't opt out, but if he does, he's gone. Boras did the Dodgers a favor by getting Nancy to opt out. If he gets A-Rod to do the same, so be it..... the Yankees will move on to another 3B. Nettles will always be my favorite Yankee 3B, and I survived when he signed with the Padres.

I know kb kinda :offtopic: sorry about that
Many drives me nuts and always has. Great hitter but has the brain of a toddler sometimes. etc. this was him being a moron but that is just my humble opinon.

Arod is just greed to me. Case in point there is someone I know who has a hard time paying for services for his son with a disabilty and then you read someone who is not satisfied with $25 MM. that person can buy the school system etc. sorry for the Rant but topic like these are why Med does not like baseball like I did in the 70s and 80s etc. the greed kills me (hint this is Med LOL)

Arod will go down as one of the best of all time but him being tied to Boras is why I dont like him. No need for greed IMO

sorry for the rant ...what were we talking about :laugh:

to summarize your Yanks can use that $25 MM and get pitching, what they need, especially someone to compiment Petitte and Wang.

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 04:25 PM

Your 2 examples are an Indians fan and some writer for the Washington post? Yeah, you have no case. Nice try though.

The only person Manny's shenanigans hurt is himself. Until you can give me quotes from opposing players who have a problem with the various stunts that Manny pulls, you really don't have an argument.

You seriously believe only 1 Indians fan and 2 Washington Post writers have these takes? You're blind. I threw the post quotes out there because you would automatically shoot down anything from a NY paper.

You're dodging the question of why you want A-Rod to join the red sox.

I don't need an argument.... there is no argument. Manny disgraced his team last night. Support showboating all you want, but let's make this clear. If a Broncos player does a TD dance when losing by a significant margin, I'll go ballistic. Would you condone it? Why?

BroncoBJ4MVP!!!

10-17-2007, 04:37 PM

Beckett has proved in the past that he can pitch well on short rest. You should know that being a Yankees fan! I can guarantee you that Beckett wouldn't have given up close to 7 runs last night. Francona has just made bad move after bad move in this series. As for the Indians, yes they are a good team but our 1-2, and 6-9 hitters have made their pitchers look alot better than they really are. People can bring up the 04 ALCS but this just doesn't look like the same type of team we had back then. The 04 team was always upbeat, crazy, and never lost hope. This team, other than Manny and Papi, really doesn't seem to have the same emotion and swagger as the 04 team had. (and yes Jay, contrary to your belief, I was still a Sox fan back then) Now I haven't lost all hope, I think they can come back in this series, it just doesn't look like they will.

Well I dont like pitching people much on short rest. no matter how good they are. But I actually did want Beckett pitching on short rest just so they could lose that game and really be screwed. :laugh: And Wakefield didn't give up 7 runs. Why not blame Youk for dropping that 2nd out? Wake cruised through the first 4 innings and then gave up a HR in the 5th inning. I dont blame Terry at all. Byrd probably would have pitched even better if Josh was pitching and wouldn't have given up 2 straight Hr's allowing him to get taken out. But Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda. So if Josh started and got the win then the Series would be tied at 2 and they would have Sabathia and Carmona going in the next 2 games against pitchers NOT named Beckett. Things wouldn't be too much better except you get to live for another day and have hope that Josh is starting in Game 7 for you. And how do you know this team doesn't have hope? I doubt anyone saw Boston coming back from 3-0 in 2004 after we blew them out in game 3. I was still scared because I know anything was possible and once we lost game 4 I was pissed as hell and people though I was sick because we were still winning the series but oh well.

And as for Manny. :laugh:

He cracks me up for some reason.
I swear he is like learning disabled.
I laughed at his HR. I just love watching him admire his HR and the fact that they were down by 4 at the time was even funnier.
I hope they are down by 10 tommorow and he hits one and admires it. :laugh:

He is something else.

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 04:47 PM

You seriously believe only 1 Indians fan and 2 Washington Post writers have these takes? You're blind. I threw the post quotes out there because you would automatically shoot down anything from a NY paper.

You're dodging the question of why you want A-Rod to join the red sox.

I don't need an argument.... there is no argument. Manny disgraced his team last night. Support showboating all you want, but let's make this clear. If a Broncos player does a TD dance when losing by a significant margin, I'll go ballistic. Would you condone it? Why?

You still haven't showed me quotes from any opposing players or managers who have a problem with what he did. If they don't have a problem with it, I don't see why you would. I really don't care what an Indians fan or a Washington Post columnist says.

And I don't have too much of a problem with what Manny did. He does that almost every time he hits a HR. Other pitchers are used to it and come to expect it. That's why he rarely ever gets plunked by a pitch after he does it. I honestly don't think he does it to show up the other team. He just lives in his own little world and he loves him some him.

But I will continue to say it. Manny's shenanigans don't hurt the team they are playing and they don't hurt the Red Sox. Most of the time, the only person he is hurting is himself. And he couldn't care less what other people think about him, which is an attitude I like!

Chidoze

10-17-2007, 04:56 PM

:laugh: Calm down guys.
Its still far from over.

I'm sure you were mad being down 3-0 vs the Yankees too.
If you were even a fan back then. :eek:

And yea Josh could start on short rest but you act like he is an automatic W.
IF he is an automatic W then the series is obviously going back to Boston.

But suppose he had a bad start on game 4? Then he isn't going in game 5 and you lose. Then there is no Game 7. Just like Lou taking Z out early because he was saving him for game 4. There was no game 4. :laugh:

The worst move Francona made was switching Curt with Dice IMO.
oh well.
The fans dont manage the Team.
Terry knows how to manage a team down 3-0 or 3-1.

But maybe the Indians are a good team? Ever think of that? :eek:
That's why the series is likely over.....sadly. The Indians are that good, in a way I'm not surprised they lead the series, but I am surprised at how they've done it.

Even if Beckett somehow manages a repeat of game 1, what about the other starting pitchers?

Schill? Dice-K? Wakefield? All gave up a lot of runs the first go around, so why would the second be any different?

I know, I know.......they came back from being down 0-3 against the Yankees in '04 right? WRONG! Different team, different year, and different opponent this time. What they did to the Yanks was incredible, but that was then and this is now.

Im still gonna root for the Sox to win it all, but the reality could be, and likely is, that they wont.

Medford Bronco

10-17-2007, 05:01 PM

That's why the series is likely over.....sadly. The Indians are that good, in a way I'm not surprised they lead the series, but I am surprised at how they've done it.

Even if Beckett somehow manages a repeat of game 1, what about the other starting pitchers?

Schill? Dice-K? Wakefield? All gave up a lot of runs the first go around, so why would the second be any different?

I know, I know.......they came back from being down 0-3 against the Yankees in '04 right? WRONG! Different team, different year, and different opponent this time. What they did to the Yanks was incredible, but that was then and this is now.

Im still gonna root for the Sox to win it all, but the reality could be, and likely is, that they wont.

Is Derek Lowe available for us to win
and Cabrerra and a Long haired Johnny Damon who is much better than JD Nancy Drew and Coco Pop gun Offence Crisp

BTw why is Ellsbury not playing with the lack of offense from those two I listed. He was awesome in Sept. Give him a chance to maybe spark the team
just a thought or is Francona that much of a cement head to stick with these two non hitters?

BaileyTheBest

10-17-2007, 05:03 PM

Is Derek Lowe available for us to win
and Cabrerra and a Long haired Johnny Damon who is much better than JD Nancy Drew and Coco Pop gun Offence Crisp

BTw why is Ellsbury not playing with the lack of offense from those two I listed. He was awesome in Sept. Give him a chance to maybe spark the team
just a thought or is Francona that much of a cement head to stick with these two non hitters?

I honestly don't know what Francona has been thinking in this series. Almost every decision he has made has backfired.

Chidoze

10-17-2007, 05:05 PM

Is Derek Lowe available for us to win
and Cabrerra and a Long haired Johnny Damon who is much better than JD Nancy Drew and Coco Pop gun Offence Crisp

BTw why is Ellsbury not playing with the lack of offense from those two I listed. He was awesome in Sept. Give him a chance to maybe spark the team
just a thought or is Francona that much of a cement head to stick with these two non hitters?
Considering he stuck with Bellhorn in the '04 playoffs, when he was hitting like a 4 year old.......I'll go ahead and say he's sticking with them as well.

His theory is, "Dont go away from what got you here." What got them there isnt what theyve got now so WTH Terry?

keithbishop

10-17-2007, 05:08 PM

I know kb kinda :offtopic: sorry about that
Many drives me nuts and always has. Great hitter but has the brain of a toddler sometimes. etc. this was him being a moron but that is just my humble opinon.

Arod is just greed to me. Case in point there is someone I know who has a hard time paying for services for his son with a disabilty and then you read someone who is not satisfied with $25 MM. that person can buy the school system etc. sorry for the Rant but topic like these are why Med does not like baseball like I did in the 70s and 80s etc. the greed kills me (hint this is Med LOL)

Arod will go down as one of the best of all time but him being tied to Boras is why I dont like him. No need for greed IMO

sorry for the rant ...what were we talking about :laugh:

to summarize your Yanks can use that $25 MM and get pitching, what they need, especially someone to compiment Petitte and Wang.

I understand your issues with greed. I'm reading a book about the Yankees from 1949-1963 and it's stunning to read about Yogi Berra getting a $500 signing bonus in his first deal with the Yankees. Not $500,000 .... not $50,000 .... not $5,000. $500. His monthly salary in the 1st deal: $70. He sent everything he earned back home to his parents and his mom would send him back $5 or $10. I remember my grandpa being furious that Reggie Jackson made $1 mil. per season (even though that was reported incorrectly... he made approximately $600,000 per season in his first stint with the Yankees.

A-Rod.... I love the guy's hustle and talent. I wish he weren't his own harshest critic, but it's hard for me to blast a guy for wanting to succeed so desperately that he has difficulty relaxing and just playing. His work ethic is second to none... generally the first Yankee to arrive each day and works hard at everything....reported early to spring training with his offseason workout partner/former high school teammate Doug Mientkiewicz. I loathe the league-wide greed (especially Boras clients like Nancy Drew and, if he opts out, A-Rod --I can't pretend 99% of the players aren't greedy, though, so I won't hate over the issue).

I loathe showboating, regardless of the sport. Save it for pro wrestling. Game-winning shots are one thing, but to showboat in a loss is something A-Rod would never do. He wouldn't showboat to begin with, of course. I also loathe lack of effort. Billy Martin rightfully pulled Reggie for half-a$$ing ... I still applaud Martin for doing so. I could never bring myself to say... "Aww... that's just Reggie being Reggie". I don't view such things as likable traits, nor do I understand why PCE and Bailey do.

Interestingly enough, Bailey got upset at me for quoting PCE's gripe that Manny quit on the team in consecutive Septembers. I Guess PCE finds it admirable now or he's forgotten...........