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[BaileyTheBest]

Pathetic on Manny's part. Plain old pathetic.

You may not agree with what the presidency does, or you may want to do something for yourself, but it is low when you don't visit wounded soldiers that allow you to have such freedoms as openly disliking the government or freedom to do pretty much whatever you want.

and BTB, you are TOTALLY spinning this on KB. Nobody here may be perfect, but you can be damn sure he would be visiting the troops had he the opportunity.

Not to mention, if you don't care what the baseball players do with their free time, then you shouldn't care if the Sox do anything good for the community, lest you look like a hipocrite.

I've never cared to much if players help their communities or not. If they do great, if not, that's their choice. They don't play pro sports to help their community. They play pro sports to play pro sports. How can you call me a hypocrite when I have never even mentioned things the Red Sox do for the community? Unless you can find a post of mine stating otherwise, that's an unfair charge to level against me. Have I done things for my community, sure I have, but I have no problem with those who haven't. But if a player wants to give back for their community, good for them, but I won't think any less of him if he doesn't. I swear, some of you dissect pro athletes' lives like they are running for President of the United States.

[BaileyTheBest]

Fine, Spin Doctor. Manny gets a pass. What on earth would make me think otherwise? :rolleyes:

Guess what, it's not just Manny. If the Yankees win the World Series and one of their players doesn't visit the veterans with them, you know how much I will care? Not one bit. Unless Manny (or any other pro athlete in any sport for that matter) does something off the field that hurts his team, he is free to do what he pleases and it concerns me none.

[CinnaMunMun]

I've never cared to much if players help their communities or not. If they do great, if not, that's their choice. They don't play pro sports to help their community. They play pro sports to play pro sports. How can you call me a hypocrite when I have never even mentioned things the Red Sox do for the community? Unless you can find a post of mine stating otherwise, that's an unfair charge to level against me. Have I done things for my community, sure I have, but I have no problem with those who haven't. But if a player wants to give back for their community, good for them, but I won't think any less of him if he doesn't. I swear, some of you dissect pro athletes' lives like they are running for President of the United States.

I never flat out called you a hipocrite. I said if you DID praise them for off field acts, then you could be considered one. Kind of a warning to your stance rather than name-calling.

Pro-athletes also have an image to uphold. Kids look up to athletes a hell of a lot more than the president and will try to emulate them at a much higher rate than any person involved in government. Why? Because it is a game that is fun to watch, thus exposing them to the athletes, and they live the life of glamour, like movie or music stars. That is why when an athlete commits a crime it is on a bigger stage than normal people. That is why when an athlete donates money to a charity it gets more publicity than someone who dedicated their life to a charitable foundation. And that is why when an athlete does something in poor taste it is frowned upon.

But quite honestly you defend your Sox with such blinders on it is amazing you can find the keyboard.

[BaileyTheBest]

I never flat out called you a hipocrite. I said if you DID praise them for off field acts, then you could be considered one. Kind of a warning to your stance rather than name-calling.

Pro-athletes also have an image to uphold. Kids look up to athletes a hell of a lot more than the president and will try to emulate them at a much higher rate than any person involved in government. Why? Because it is a game that is fun to watch, thus exposing them to the athletes, and they live the life of glamour, like movie or music stars. That is why when an athlete commits a crime it is on a bigger stage than normal people. That is why when an athlete donates money to a charity it gets more publicity than someone who dedicated their life to a charitable foundation. And that is why when an athlete does something in poor taste it is frowned upon.

But quite honestly you defend your Sox with such blinders on it is amazing you can find the keyboard.

Unless they did something illegal or something that hurt their team, I don't care what they do off the field. And that goes for ANY player from ANY team. You can call it Red Sox blinders all you want (it's a convenient excuse to sidestep my argument) but it's not true. As for the influence on the kids, if a kid does something stupid because a pro athlete did it, that falls on that kid's parents for not teaching them better, not the athlete.

[keithbishop]

Guess what, it's not just Manny. If the Yankees win the World Series and one of their players doesn't visit the veterans with them, you know how much I will care? Not one bit. Unless Manny (or any other pro athlete in any sport for that matter) does something off the field that hurts his team, he is free to do what he pleases and it concerns me none.


I would be furious... there is no way I'd give a member of the Yankees a pass in this situation. There are many petty off the field issues that we hear a lot about. Skipping the visit isn't petty. Of all the things a major leaguer can do, visiting wounded soldiers (especially on a scheduled team visit -- you missed this point completely....scheduled team trip..... It wasn't just a day off) should be a priority. Proud of those who visit, but you don't care about those who skip... fine. I disagree. First you said he probably had a legit reason to skip (and credited his teammates that attended!), then, once you heard the excuse, said you didn't care. Spin on, Spin Doctor.

My issue is the heroes, the soldiers. Your issue is Manny. I have the same view of Tavarez, who you don't mention, as Manny.

[BaileyTheBest]

I would be furious... there is no way I'd give a member of the Yankees a pass in this situation. There are many petty off the field issues that we hear a lot about. Skipping the visit isn't petty. Of all the things a major leaguer can do, visiting wounded soldiers (especially on a scheduled team visit -- you missed this point completely....scheduled team trip..... It wasn't just a day off) should be a priority. Proud of those who visit, but you don't care about those who skip... fine. I disagree. First you said he probably had a legit reason to skip (and credited his teammates that attended!), then, once you heard the excuse, said you didn't care. Spin on, Spin Doctor.

My issue is the heroes, the soldiers. Your issue is Manny. I have the same view of Tavarez, who you don't mention, as Manny.

I never have and never will care what a pro athlete does with his spare time off the field. If you want to call it "spin" go right ahead. And now for the second time this season you have put words in my mouth (I'm keeping count this season just for fun). I never said he had a legit reason for missing. I only said that it's unfair to rush to judgment until the facts come out. But the fact is, you criticized Manny before you knew the facts. Just because you wound up being right doesn't excuse you for rushing to judgment.

[keithbishop]

I never have and never will care what a pro athlete does with his spare time off the field. If you want to call it "spin" go right ahead. And now for the second time this season you have put words in my mouth (I'm keeping count this season just for fun). I never said he had a legit reason for missing. I only said that it's unfair to rush to judgment until the facts come out. But the fact is, you criticized Manny before you knew the facts. Just because you wound up being right doesn't excuse you for rushing to judgment.

Yeah, I'm a regular Nostradamus for "predicting" Manny didn't have a legit reason to skip. I also "predicted" sox fans would give Manny a pass. Quoting Dizzy Dean, "Who'd a thunk it"? I'm a fricking genious with such "predictions". While I'm on a roll, I'll predict that Mike Mussina won't win the Cy Young award and David Ortiz will hit some home runs this season.

[BaileyTheBest]

Yeah, I'm a regular Nostradamus for "predicting" Manny didn't have a legit reason to skip. I also "predicted" sox fans would give Manny a pass. Quoting Dizzy Dean, "Who'd a thunk it"? I'm a fricking genious with such "predictions". While I'm on a roll, I'll predict that Mike Mussina won't win the Cy Young award and David Ortiz will hit some home runs this season.

You are so off base in thinking that I'm only giving Manny a pass because he is a Red Sock it's not even funny. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. Reminds me of an old saying..."If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? The answer is 4. Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it one." Seriously though, how many times do I have to tell you that I don't care what a player does off the field, whether he be a Yankee, Red Sock, or any other team. Should I type it slower? I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear for you.

[keithbishop]

You are so off base in thinking that I'm only giving Manny a pass because he is a Red Sock it's not even funny. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. Reminds me of an old saying..."If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? The answer is 4. Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it one." Seriously though, how many times do I have to tell you that I don't care what a player does off the field, whether he be a Yankee, Red Sock, or any other team. Should I type it slower? I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear for you.



Timeline reminder:

1. You said: "I do strongly applaud the Sox players who went to visit the soldiers. I figured that went without saying. And like I said, I'm not going judge Manny positively or negatively on this issue until I know why he wasn't there. There are a plethora of reasons he could have missed it and it's unfair to judge him unless details of why he didn't go come out. I have a feeling, though, had this been some bench guy who never played that didn't make the trip you wouldn't have even mentioned it but when it comes to Manny, you never miss a chance to take a shot at him."

-- I judged Julian Tavarez in exactly the same light as Manny. The same would apply to Theo Epstein and Devern Hansack for skipping the visit, but I have yet to see anything other than rumors that they skipped. My issue is with the soldiers, not Manny Ramirez.

2. I showed you why Manny wasn't there.

3. You lobbed the "Mr. Perfect" criticism at me and said you didn't care what a player did off the field.

You "strongly applaud" those who did the right thing and don't care about those that did the wrong thing. I would be outraged if a member of the Yankees pulled the same stunt. I would have applauded Manny and Tavarez just like I did their teammates (which you failed to mention) had they done the right thing.

Call that putting words in your mouth.... but remember they were your words. I was quoting you, not making up things you said. Fine by me.

I'm deeply hurt that you no longer call me Mr. Perfect, so could you please get back to it?

[BaileyTheBest]

Timeline reminder:

1. You said: "I do strongly applaud the Sox players who went to visit the soldiers. I figured that went without saying. And like I said, I'm not going judge Manny positively or negatively on this issue until I know why he wasn't there. There are a plethora of reasons he could have missed it and it's unfair to judge him unless details of why he didn't go come out. I have a feeling, though, had this been some bench guy who never played that didn't make the trip you wouldn't have even mentioned it but when it comes to Manny, you never miss a chance to take a shot at him."

-- I judged Julian Tavarez in exactly the same light as Manny. The same would apply to Theo Epstein and Devern Hansack for skipping the visit, but I have yet to see anything other than rumors that they skipped. My issue is with the soldiers, not Manny Ramirez.

2. I showed you why Manny wasn't there.

3. You lobbed the "Mr. Perfect" criticism at me and said you didn't care what a player did off the field.

You "strongly applaud" those who did the right thing and don't care about those that did the wrong thing. I would be outraged if a member of the Yankees pulled the same stunt. I would have applauded Manny and Tavarez just like I did their teammates (which you failed to mention) had they done the right thing.

Call that putting words in your mouth.... but remember they were your words. I was quoting you, not making up things you said. Fine by me.

I'm deeply hurt that you no longer call me Mr. Perfect, so could you please get back to it?

Ok Mr. Perfect, what is so friggin bad about me for praising someone for visiting soldiers, but not criticizing them for not visiting soldiers? If they want to, good for them and I applaud them, but I'm not going to go apesheet if they don't go. That's their choice and I respect it.

And I didn't even want to go here but this isn't even Manny's native country so why should he be obligated to visit our soldiers?

[keithbishop]

Ok Mr. Perfect, what is so friggin bad about me for praising someone for visiting soldiers, but not criticizing them for not visiting soldiers? If they want to, good for them and I applaud them, but I'm not going to go apesheet if they don't go. That's their choice and I respect it.

And I didn't even want to go here but this isn't even Manny's native country so why should he be obligated to visit our soldiers?

Thank you. Curt Hennig would like it.

What is so bad about me for applauding those who visited and criticizing those who didn't? Seems to be calling it right down the middle, does it not?

Manny has the freedom supplied by those soldiers to earn $20 + mil. per season playing here. Thanks for asking.

[BaileyTheBest]

Thank you. Curt Hennig would like it.

What is so bad about me for applauding those who visited and criticizing those who didn't? Seems to be calling it right down the middle, does it not?

Manny has the freedom supplied by those soldiers to earn $20 + mil. per season playing here. Thanks for asking.

Nothing wrong with you criticizing them. I just feel differently about it. This is the point in which we can agree to disagree! :D

[keithbishop]

Nothing wrong with you criticizing them. I just feel differently about it. This is the point in which we can agree to disagree! :D

NO!!!!!!!! :fight::fight:

Yes, sounds good to me. :D

[Mr. Roper]

Bartolo Calzone, I mean Colon, threw a BP session yesterday and pitching coach John Farrell said he looked sharp and had excellent command of the strike zone.

I suspect he will be ready to help the Red Sox win another Championship by early June. :rockon:

[Mr. Roper]

Spring stats updated 3/6

Who is doing good for the Red Sox: Everyone. It's a great spring training for Boston.

Who is doing bad: Hank Steinbrenner for the Yanks. He's making a fool of himself.

Discuss.

[Bronco_Armada]

Spring stats updated 3/6

Who is doing good for the Red Sox: Everyone. It's a great spring training for Boston.

Who is doing bad: Hank Steinbrenner for the Yanks. He's making a fool of himself.

Discuss.

WOW

you got a future at ESPN

:rolleyes:

[keithbishop]

WOW

you got a future at ESPN

:rolleyes:

Roper is so funny when he tries to be cute. Don't tell him the games have started, but I just watched another one. Great time of year.

[BaileyTheBest]

Anyone waking up early in the morning to watch the Red Sox pound the A's in the morning on their way to a 3rd championship in 5 years? I know I am!

[RunYouOver]

Anyone waking up early in the morning to watch the Red Sox pound the A's in the morning on their way to a 3rd championship in 5 years? I know I am!


You probably witnessed a very sloppy game then.

Dice-K didn't look good, Papelbon didn't look good.

Huston Street looked terrible, Blanton looked OK.

The only one who showed up was Manny. Figures :laugh:

[BaileyTheBest]

You probably witnessed a very sloppy game then.

Dice-K didn't look good, Papelbon didn't look good.

Huston Street looked terrible, Blanton looked OK.

The only one who showed up was Manny. Figures :laugh:

For some reason ESPN2 was blacked out for me this morning. Weird since I live in Mississippi. And of course our guys didn't look good, they had to play at 6 AM for them. I heard the A's didn't look too good either. Boston will be fine once they get back in America and adjust to the time.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

I was going to bed about the time it was starting. :laugh:
If it was the Yankees I know I would have stayed up but I was tired and didn't need to hear my mom yell cause I'm watching baseball.

I remember a few years ago I woke up at 3 on a schoolday to watch a yankees game. It was a rough day of school for me. :laugh:


But I'm glad baseball is back. :rockon:

[RunYouOver]

For some reason ESPN2 was blacked out for me this morning. Weird since I live in Mississippi. And of course our guys didn't look good, they had to play at 6 AM for them. I heard the A's didn't look too good either. Boston will be fine once they get back in America and adjust to the time.



That's absolutely no excuse, they've been there a week!

They're used to the time by now, and they'll be used to it when they get back and have a couple of days to get reacquainted with the US.

The excuses come the first 2 games of their season in the US, because then they're understandably tired.

Of course in July when the Red Sox are 15 games out we'll still hear the excuses ;)

[BaileyTheBest]

That's absolutely no excuse, they've been there a week!

They're used to the time by now, and they'll be used to it when they get back and have a couple of days to get reacquainted with the US.

The excuses come the first 2 games of their season in the US, because then they're understandably tired.

Of course in July when the Red Sox are 15 games out we'll still hear the excuses ;)

They've been there like 4 days. But still, it's just one game. And we won. A win is a win no matter how ugly.

[RunYouOver]

Once again, the Sox only bright spot was Manny.

This time the result was a little better though.

Red Sox fall 5-1...

FIVE hits total for the Sox, so I guess you could consider Lowell a bright spot today too as he had five hits.

The Red Sox are now tied with the Yankees.:cheers:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Were 1 game up in the all important loss column. :rockon:

[BaileyTheBest]

Were 1 game up in the all important loss column. :rockon:

Unfortunately for the Yanks, they'll have to actually start playing games! :D Then those losses will start piling up!

[RunYouOver]

Unfortunately for the Yanks, they'll have to actually start playing games! :D

Then we'll take the lead in the W column as well :D :smug:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Then we'll take the lead in the W column as well :D :smug:

:laugh: Beat me to it. But yea. Then we will be ahead in the W and the L Column. :rockon:

[BaileyTheBest]

Boy am I glad we don't have Eric GAGne anymore. Too bad he couldn't have stayed in the AL. Glad to see he picked up right where he left off last season! :laugh:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: @ Gagne. I loved him last season and it doesn't look like he missed a beat. :salute:

I keep thinking he will snap out of it. Funny stuff though.

[BaileyTheBest]

The Boston Red Sox have regained their rightful position atop the East! And that's without Beckett throwing a single pitch. This should be another prolific year for the Red Sox!

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: Another prolific year by Boston.
Has Boston had a lot of those? :confused:

But I'm sure it won't be long before they go on a 3 game losing steak and you will want Francona fired. :eek:

[Mr. Roper]

A bad omen for Yankees fans?? :confused:

On Thursday a red-tailed hawk attacked a 13 year old girl who was on a school trip touring Fenway Park.

The girl's name is Alexa Rodriguez.

Wow.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3328114

[BaileyTheBest]

Red Sox get their rings, and other opening day festivities:

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[BaileyTheBest]

So am I the only dang Red Sox fan left around here? I guess a 4-5 start keeps some of the fairweathers away! ;)

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

So am I the only dang Red Sox fan left around here? I guess a 4-5 start keeps some of the fairweathers away! ;)

:laugh: That makes sense. It be cool if Boston had as good a fans as the Yankees did. :salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: That makes sense. It be cool if Boston had as good a fans as the Yankees did. :salute:

Yeah, and for you it'd be cool if the Yankees had as good a team as the Red Sox did. :salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Yeah, and for you it'd be cool if the Yankees had as good a team as the Red Sox did. :salute:

:laugh: :laugh: Typical Boston fan loves to run thier mouths in April. :salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: Typical Boston fan loves to run thier mouths in April. :salute:

:laugh: :laugh: Typical Yankee fan jealous of Boston's success in the 21st century. :salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

You know it's kinda funny though because during football season we are BFF's and during baseball season we are mortal enemies. :salute:

[keithbishop]

:laugh: :laugh: Typical Yankee fan jealous of Boston's success in the 21st century. :salute:

And the early 20th century......... REALLY early 20th.

Having watched my team win 6 titles, I'm not jealous of jack, Jack. ;)

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: Well I hate to break it to you but 2 rings in 90 years still sucks. :salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: Well I hate to break it to you but 2 rings in 90 years still sucks. :salute:

That's 3 rings in 90 years thank you very much! 1918, 2004, 2007. And it will soon be 4 rings in 91 years! :salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: The Yankees had 3 rings in 3 years before. :smug:

Boston could never pull off such a feat though. :salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: The Yankees had 3 rings in 3 years before. :smug:

Boston could never pull off such a feat though. :salute:

Yankees = Team of the 20th century

Red Sox = Team of the 21st century

:salute:

[DevilSpawn]

And so it begins.

Yankees = Team of the 20th century

Red Sox = Team of the 21st century

:salute:
The 21st century still has about 92 years left. Might wanna hold off on that title for a while. :)

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Yankees = Team of the 20th century

Red Sox = Team of the 21st century

:salute:

Boston won 5 rings before the Yankees even had 1 ring. :eek:

:salute:

And then well... We all know what happened from there :laugh:

26 to 2 :salute:

[RunYouOver]

Sox were SHUT DOWN by CMW tonight.:D

[BaileyTheBest]

Yawn. Yall can have regular season victories, we win in the playoffs! :salute:

[keithbishop]

Yawn. Yall can have regular season victories, we win in the playoffs! :salute:

All of them?? YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! :rockon:

[BaileyTheBest]

All of them?? YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! :rockon:

If we went 0-18 against the Yankess and won the World Series, I'd take it! :rockon:

[keithbishop]

If we went 0-18 against the Yankess and won the World Series, I'd take it! :rockon:


Not sure how they could make the playoffs by losing all the games to the Yankees. :eek:

That will never happen, of course.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: @ going 0-18 vs us. That be the best thing ever probably especially if we won the world series. That would never happen though.
And I dont know how they would make the playoffs either. Its possible but really wierd.

Oh well. Its April. I dont get to caught up over a win or loss in April. But I'd rather win then lose.

Looks like BTB is having a rough day. Last year in April when Boston beat us he acted like it was the world series by beating us. And now he "doesn't care". Funny how that works. :coffee:

[BaileyTheBest]

Time to take the series tomorrow!

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Go ahead take the series.
I dont care if we go 1-17 vs Boston.
As long as we win it all.
Take the series.
I dont care.
I dont care
Take the series.

:salute:

[/BTB Rant]

[BaileyTheBest]

Go ahead take the series.
I dont care if we go 1-17 vs Boston.
As long as we win it all.
Take the series.
I dont care.
I dont care
Take the series.

:salute:

[/BTB Rant]

I wasn't ranting. What I said was true. I don't care how we do against the Yankees as long as we win the World Series. I'm all about championships, not that annoying little flea in New York we have to keep swatting away! :D

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: @ all about Championships.

You still got a long ways to go to catch up to New York.
Good luck :salute:

[keithbishop]

You still got a long ways to go to catch up to New York.
Good luck

Hey....... I remember the 2nd time I watched my baseball team win the World Series...... it was only 30 years ago. :sad:

Much like Bailey, I thought that meant my team would win it every year...... then again, I was only 9 at the time, so what in the hell did I know? :laugh:

I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned there for anyone over 9. ;)


--Edit-- I just checked the calendar and it's only April!!! :eek:
150 games before the playoffs start.... much less the World Series. I figured it had to be October with all this 2008 championship talk. :laugh:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Hey....... I remember the 2nd time I watched my baseball team win the World Series...... it was only 30 years ago. :sad:

Much like Bailey, I thought that meant my team would win it every year...... then again, I was only 9 at the time, so what in the hell did I know? :l:

I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned there for anyone over 9.


--Edit-- I just checked the calendar and it's only April!!! :eek:
150 games before the playoffs start.... much less the World Series. I figured it had to be October with all this 2008 championship talk. ::

:laugh: I wish I cared about baseball when the Yankees won it all. The games were always on TV and I liked them but I could care less about watching it. I was too young and I regret it because I'd love to see them win it all this year. Just like I do every year.

But oh well. I'm glad we get a chance to play them right away. I want this nasty taste out of my mouth. Something about playing Boston that makes me sick. I get too into it and it gives me headaches. lol

But I'm sure BTB is having a different feeling now. If we would have swept Boston he would act like he don't care and now since they won 2 out of 3 I bet he thinks thier the best team ever.
hmm
Oh well.

I'm glad were only 1 game behind Boston in April. It feels like a successfull April. :salute:

And :laugh: I thought it was October as well. I lose track of months when I talk to Boston fans because thier delusional.. plus half of them are bandwagoners as well.

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: I wish I cared about baseball when the Yankees won it all. The games were always on TV and I liked them but I could care less about watching it. I was too young and I regret it because I'd love to see them win it all this year. Just like I do every year.

But oh well. I'm glad we get a chance to play them right away. I want this nasty taste out of my mouth. Something about playing Boston that makes me sick. I get too into it and it gives me headaches. lol

But I'm sure BTB is having a different feeling now. If we would have swept Boston he would act like he don't care and now since they won 2 out of 3 I bet he thinks thier the best team ever.
hmm
Oh well.

I'm glad were only 1 game behind Boston in April. It feels like a successfull April. :salute:

And :laugh: I thought it was October as well. I lose track of months when I talk to Boston fans because thier delusional.. plus half of them are bandwagoners as well.

BJ I always think Boston is the best team ever. Regardless of how they do against the Yankees!

Now, on to matters more important that the slime from the Bronx, the Red Sox won a captivating comeback game against the Indians with a huge HR from Manny and Papelbon shutting the door in the 9th. That's championship stuff right there!

[Rollo]

I know there a bunch of Red Sox Fans here. So step up and be heard

GO SOX! :D:salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

GO SOX! :D:salute:

Woo, another sox fan! I'm not alone anymore!

[Mr. Roper]

That was a great game winning PH HR for our so-called "weak hitting" catcher last night.

Tonite we face the Yanks only good SP. Go Sox!

[BaileyTheBest]

You know it's been a weird season when Nancy Drew is totally outplaying David Ortiz so far. He needs to get his ass in gear. Nice to see us winning some ballgames but he just has to start hitting eventually.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

It wont be long before you Hate Ortiz and want him traded or released :laugh:
Just like you wanted Francona fired. Too damn funny

[BaileyTheBest]

It wont be long before you Hate Ortiz and want him traded or released :laugh:
Just like you wanted Francona fired. Too damn funny

Nah, I could never hate Big Papi. Just because I criticize someone doesn't mean I want them gone. Geez. It'll all even out though. Sean Casey and Nancy Drew will become Sean Casey and Nancy Drew again and Big Papi will start beasting. It's just frustrating to see him suck this bad so early on.

[BaileyTheBest]

Big Papi goes 2-4 with a Grand Slam and 5 RBI. What a BEAST!

[Mr. Roper]

Manny Ramirez once again throws out a runner at home with a one-skip missle perfectly on target.

Manny is the most under-rated left fielder in the game. :rockon:

[Bronco Axe]

Did it AGAIN last night after a HIGH FIVER of a fan no less!:rockon:

[Southstander]

That's Manny being Manny, and I love it!!!:D:rockon:


I wonder how we can bring in Holiday since the boys in Purple are reported ly trading him, Mayhe send them JD Drew

[Southstander]

Two wins in one day.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Two wins in one day.

Only Boston could pull off an incredible day like today. :rockon:

:salute:

[Southstander]

Colon will make his first start for the Sox in Wed. let's just hope that he is the Colon of old.

[sneakers]

What the heck happened (I didn't get to watch any of the games this weekend :sad:), we started hitting homeruns (for a change) but anyway, good luck the rest of the year.

[Southstander]

What the heck happened (I didn't get to watch any of the games this weekend :sad:), we started hitting homeruns (for a change) but anyway, good luck the rest of the year.


Sweep of the Brew Crew

5-3 Sat
7-6 Sat make up for PPD on 5/16
11-7 Sun

[Southstander]

Crank it up and sing along with the "Murphys"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYAijiz7nZM

Tessie is the Royal Rooters rally cry
Tessie is the tune they always sung
Tessie echoed April through October nights
After serenading Stahl, Dinneen and Young
Tessie is a maiden with a sparkling eye
Tessie is a maiden with a love
She doesn't know the meaning of her sight
She's got a comment full of love

And sometimes when the game is on the line
Tessie always carried them away
Up the road from "Third Base" to Huntington
The boys will always sing and sway

Two! Three! Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only

The Rooters showed up at the grounds one day
They found their seats had all been sold
McGreevey led the charge into the park
Stormed the gates and put the game on hold
The Rooters gave the other team a dreadful fright
Boston's tenth man could not be wrong
Up from "Third Base" to Huntington
They'd sing another victory song

Two! Three! Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only

The Rooters gave the other team a dreadful fright
Boston's tenth man could not be wrong
Up from "Third Base" to Huntington
They'd sing another victory song

Two! Three! Four!

Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Boston, you are the only only only
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Red Sox, you are the only only only

[wncbronxx]

Sweep of the Brew Crew

5-3 Sat
7-6 Sat make up for PPD on 5/16
11-7 Sun

Thanks for the invite! :salute:

[Southstander]

Anytime:salute:

[DevilSpawn]

I hates the Red Sox, but a story like Joh Lester's deserves 10 :salute:

[keithbishop]

I hates the Red Sox, but a story like Joh Lester's deserves 10 :salute:

Ditto. Congrats to Lester on the No Hitter.

[Southstander]

Yes it does.:salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

I was wondering why you randomly brought up Lester DSpawn, because that happened a while ago.

But then I noticed that he pitched a no-hitter today.

:salute: @ Lester. That is a good story.
I wish I was on ESPN to watch a live look in.
I always miss the no-hitters. :fight:

[RunYouOver]

I hates the Red Sox, but a story like Joh Lester's deserves 10 :salute:

Couldn't agree more.

One of the only players on the Sox I root for.

[BaileyTheBest]

Congrats Mr. Lester! :salute:

The Red Sox are just a no-hitter machine as of late!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/06/fullj.43a414de8b1064bf462fa50190bf4ec9/43a414de8b1064bf462fa50190bf4ec9-getty-80331752jr015.jpg

[Southstander]

18th in Sox history:rockon:

[CinnaMunMun]

Congrats to Lester! That is a great accomplishment! :D

[Southstander]

He's the first lefty to do in over FIFTY YEARS!!! Also he olny walked one guy:eek::rockon:

[BaileyTheBest]

He's the first lefty to do in over FIFTY YEARS!!! Also he olny walked one guy:eek::rockon:

Well for accuracy sake he walked 2 but still a great performance nonetheless.

[Southstander]

Lousy FSN Rocky Mountian, they gave me bad info:fight::fight::fight:

[BaileyTheBest]

And KB, you can say what you want about "Cowardtek" but this makes the 4th no-hitter he has caught (Nomo, Lowe, Buchholz, Lester) which is a record. He is a great catcher and there isn't a catcher in the league I would trade him for.

[Southstander]

He also is respected in the Sox locker room, he is only the THIRD captian in sox history. CP to who can ever name the other two.

[BVP]

And KB, you can say what you want about "Cowardtek" but this makes the 4th no-hitter he has caught (Nomo, Lowe, Buchholz, Lester) which is a record. He is a great catcher and there isn't a catcher in the league I would trade him for.

nicely said!!:rockon: Varitek is the best catcher I've ever seen, in my short 17 year lifetime.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

He also is respected in the Sox locker room, he is only the THIRD captian in sox history. CP to who can ever name the other two.


Yaz and Ted Williams? :laugh:

Not sure. I just took a stab at it. :salute:

[Southstander]

What about me BVP hmmm:D

[BVP]

Yaz and Ted Williams? :laugh:

Not sure. I just took a stab at it. :salute:

Quality guesses. Ted Williams gotta be one for sure. :confused:

[BaileyTheBest]

He also is respected in the Sox locker room, he is only the THIRD captian in sox history. CP to who can ever name the other two.

Carl Yastrzemski and Jim Rice

[BaileyTheBest]

Nope, Ted wasn't a captain.

[BVP]

Well it is still a good guess. :salute:

[keithbishop]

And KB, you can say what you want about "Cowardtek" but this makes the 4th no-hitter he has caught (Nomo, Lowe, Buchholz, Lester) which is a record. He is a great catcher and there isn't a catcher in the league I would trade him for.

Plus he's got that cool "C" on his uniform so he can remember which position to return to after a mound visit. :rockon:

[wncbronxx]

I was wondering why you randomly brought up Lester DSpawn, because that happened a while ago.

But then I noticed that he pitched a no-hitter today.

:salute: @ Lester. That is a good story.
I wish I was on ESPN to watch a live look in.
I always miss the no-hitters. :fight:

If he stays healthy, look out for the Sox this year!

[BaileyTheBest]

Plus he's got that cool "C" on his uniform so he can remember which position to return to after a mound visit. :rockon:

I love how you still haven't gotten over an incident that happened 4 years ago! :salute:

[kmcgough25]

Woo, another sox fan! I'm not alone anymore!

Remind me when you need another Sox fan to converse with. I forget that there is a thread here...normally talk baseball on the Sox message board.

[Southstander]

Remind me when you need another Sox fan to converse with. I forget that there is a thread here...normally talk baseball on the Sox message board.

I just started there, what is your name there.

[kmcgough25]

I just started there, what is your name there.

SoxIn7 is my name on that site. Let me know yours when you get a chance..

[Southstander]

southstndr;)

[kmcgough25]

southstndr;)

I've got an open invitation to go up to Fenway to see the Sox-Yankees play, but my schedule wouldn't allow it this year.

No way I'm missing it next year though. I really want my wife to go with me to that series. She's never been there before and she roots for them almost as much as I do.

Can't wait.

[kmcgough25]

BTW, if anyone is looking for some Sox gear, an alternate place to look is chowdaheadz.com....usually some decent prices there.

[Southstander]

I'm thanks for the heads up, heading there now:rockon:

[keithbishop]

I love how you still haven't gotten over an incident that happened 4 years ago! :salute:

I love how you fail to recognize I was just pulling your chain after you called me out and mentioned "Cowardtek". :salute:

You brought it up. Let it go, dude. :laugh:

I congratulated Lester on his no hitter. Not good enough? :confused:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

I love how you fail to recognize I was just pulling your chain after you called me out and mentioned "Cowardtek". :salute:

You brought it up. Let it go, dude. :laugh:

I congratulated Lester on his no hitter. Not good enough? :confused:

I think you should congratulate him on thier 6 1/2 game lead over us. :salute:

[wncbronxx]

I think you should congratulate him on thier 6 1/2 game lead over us. :salute:

Yes you should and me on my Tarheels! :D

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Yes you should and me on my Tarheels! :D

Congrats on making it to the Final 4. :salute:

[wncbronxx]

Congrats on making it to the Final 4. :salute:

uhhhh, Im talking baseball now my friend? Have you checked the latest BB polls?:salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

uhhhh, Im talking baseball now my friend? Have you checked the latest BB polls?:salute:

:laugh: ... ohh .. my bad. And I know thier doing decent. But they will still be runner up to OSU. :cheeky:

I havn't been to the college WS in 2 years. :fight:

[Southstander]

welcome wncbronxx:salute: Did you hear about the 2004 ALCS program burried at the new Yankee Stadium

[wncbronxx]

welcome wncbronxx:salute: Did you hear about the 2004 ALCS program burried at the new Yankee Stadium

I heard of the jersey being buried there but not the program?

[Southstander]

It was on the 6pm EST Sports Center today

[Southstander]

The sox win 2-1

Current standings


Boston
Tampa Bay 1.5
B-more 3
Tor 5.5
NY 7.5

[Southstander]

http://66.79.163.197/_images/articles/2007/04/20/fenway_park_060305.jpg

[Mr. Roper]

The sox win 2-1

Current standings


Boston
Tampa Bay 1.5
B-more 3
Tor 5.5
NY 7.5

Another great pitching performance by our young guns. Justin Masterson looked sharp.

Tonite Bartolo Colon takes the hill. If he pitches well it will be tough for any team to contend.

[Southstander]

Another great pitching performance by our young guns. Justin Masterson looked sharp.

Tonite Bartolo Colon takes the hill. If he pitches well it will be tough for any team to contend.

That is a big IF, but I want it to happen. Another big IF is Schill. IF both of them regain their own mojo, and D-Kice and Becks, do there thing and Paps, does his. We are unstopable.:salute:

[Southstander]

Sox win 6-3

[BaileyTheBest]

Even with all the questions at the bottom of our staff the Sox still have the best record in the AL. Once we finally get the 3-5 spots healthy and sorted out, this will be a tough team to beat. Once everyone gets healthy, I see a rotation of Beck/Dice/Schil/Lester/Wake with some Buchholz and Masterson sprinkled in. And the way our offense is playing, this is looking to be another glorious season in Red Sox nation.

[Southstander]

I sure hope so

[Mr. Roper]

Colon looked pretty good last night. He only gave up a few singles over five innings and none of them were hit hard.

I saw good movement on the fastball and he got it up to the mid-90's.

All in all a complete success.

[Southstander]

We should be in good shape

[Southstander]

We have won 7 straight, our longest in two years, and 10 straight at Fenway.:salute:

[wncbronxx]

We have won 7 straight, our longest in two years, and 10 straight at Fenway.:salute:

Playing great and as long as the Yanks stay in the gutter, all will be fine!:salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Playing great and as long as the Yanks stay in the gutter, all will be fine!:salute:

:laugh: ... are you gonna count on the Yankees to be in the gutter all season? :eek:

[Southstander]

No but I can hope:D

[wncbronxx]

:laugh: ... are you gonna count on the Yankees to be in the gutter all season? :eek:

Thats where theyve been the past couple of years, even with all the $, cant get out!:rockon:

[Southstander]

LOL, money can't buy me love...er rings

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Thats where theyve been the past couple of years, even with all the $, cant get out!:rockon:

:laugh: Really? Maybe the past couple of years in April/May.

But the Yanks seem to find a way to finish 1st ( And last year 2nd). :dance:

[Southstander]

And since 2000 lose in the playoffs, including the biggest collapse in MLB history

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

And since 2000 lose in the playoffs, including the biggest collapse in MLB history

:fight:

yea.. dont remind me.... But at least we have a chance each year. All I ask for is a shot to play in October and then anything can happen. :salute:

[Southstander]

True dat..

[keithbishop]

Thats where theyve been the past couple of years, even with all the $, cant get out!:rockon:




I've watched my guys win 6 titles. Six. That's 4 more than 2, for those who need help counting.

Quick show of hands for the other baseball fans who have watched their team win 6 titles...................

Just me?? :eek:
:jawdrop:





No, you really have no idea what it feels like. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on...............



P.S. boston fans talking about $$ is hilariou$. :laugh: Claiming to be a $mall market team?

[Rollo]

go Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BaileyTheBest]

I've watched my guys win 6 titles. Six. That's 4 more than 2, for those who need help counting.

Quick show of hands for the other baseball fans who have watched their team win 6 titles...................

Just me?? :eek:
:jawdrop:





No, you really have no idea what it feels like. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on...............



P.S. boston fans talking about $$ is hilariou$. :laugh: Claiming to be a $mall market team?

Classic KB putting words in people's mouths. Who on here claimed we are a small market team?

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Classic KB putting words in people's mouths. Who on here claimed we are a small market team?

How was he putting words in peoples mouths?
He was asking if they were claiming to be a small market team.
He didn't say anyone did.

But when people talk about the Yankees spending money they act like thier the Marlins or a team that has a tiny payroll. :laugh:

Boston is right up there with the Yankees in terms of spending money. :salute:

[keithbishop]

Classic KB putting words in people's mouths. Who on here claimed we are a small market team?

You put words in my mouth. :laugh:

Jay's post nailed it. :salute:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

You put words in my mouth. :laugh:

Jay's post nailed it. :salute:

:laugh: I know. I found it funny.
I know you wouldn't put words in anyones mouth but BTB's, KB. :rockon:

[keithbishop]

:laugh: I know. I found it funny.
I know you wouldn't put words in anyones mouth but BTB's, KB. :rockon:


Damned right. I'm hurt, Bailey. :sad:

[BaileyTheBest]

You put words in my mouth. :laugh:

Jay's post nailed it. :salute:

You phrased it as a question so that it wouldn't appear that you were putting words in people's mouths. I know your tricks KB!

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: I know. I found it funny.
I know you wouldn't put words in anyones mouth but BTB's, KB. :rockon:

Maybe he's expanding his horizons! :D

[keithbishop]

You phrased it as a question so that it wouldn't appear that you were putting words in people's mouths. I know your tricks KB!


You went too far, Bailey. :sad:

Why couldn't you see that my devotion to you allowed me to put words in only your mouth?

It's over. I can't forgive you. :mad:

Have it your way..........

Why did wncbronxx say he thinks Manny is the 4th best LF in the division? Is it because his "Bronx fan since 1977" tag means Bronx Bombers? :eek:

There, I put words in his mouth. Stings, doesn't it, Bailey?

[BaileyTheBest]

You went too far, Bailey. :sad:

Why couldn't you see that my devotion to you allowed me to put words in only your mouth?

It's over. I can't forgive you. :mad:

Have it your way..........

Why did wncbronxx say he thinks Manny is the 4th best LF in the division? Is it because his "Bronx fan since 1977 means Bronx Bombers? :eek:

There, I put words in his mouth. Stings, doesn't it, Bailey?

See, you can still put words in my mouth. I never said that I would prefer for you to only put words in my mouth. :D

[keithbishop]

See, you can still put words in my mouth. I never said that I would prefer for you to only put words in my mouth. :D

Nice try, but it's still over.

[BaileyTheBest]

Nice try, but it's still over.

You probably weren't even trying to put the words in my mouth, it's just second nature to you now. You can't quit me KB! :D

[keithbishop]

You probably weren't even trying to put the words in my mouth, it's just second nature to you now. You can't quit me KB! :D

I don't even know you anymore.

wncb said it was only a matter of time before it would happen.

[wncbronxx]

:laugh: Really? Maybe the past couple of years in April/May.

But the Yanks seem to find a way to finish 1st ( And last year 2nd). :dance:


Maybe they should increase their payroll by another $ billion or so and see if they can get back atop? :confused:

[kmcgough25]

Boston is right up there with the Yankees in terms of spending money. :salute:

For the record, here are the top payrolls for 2007.

Yankees--$218.3 million
Red Sox--$155.4
Dodgers--$125.6
Mets ----$120.9
Cubs-----$115.9

I'm still searching for 2008

[kmcgough25]

OK, I'm on USA Today and I can select by team for past years.

USA TODAY's baseball salaries database contains year-by-year listings of salaries for Major League Baseball players on opening day rosters and disabled lists, 1988 through the current season. The search options here allow you to see salaries for specific players, plus median and total salaries for each team.


Figures for 2008, compiled by USA TODAY, are based on documents obtained from the MLB Players Association, club officials and filed with Major League Baseball's central office. Deferred payments and incentive clauses are not included. Team payrolls do not include money paid or received in trades or for players who have been released.

Yankees----$209 million
Red Sox----$133 million
Mets-------$137.7 million
Cubs-------$118.3
dodgers----$118.5
Tigers------$137.6

[kmcgough25]

Here's the best link I could find.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/salaries

Bottom line is that the Red Sox are NOT right up there with the Yankees, but they are still high in comaprison to alot of other teams

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: They are right up there with the Yankees considering thier #2 :coffee:

[keithbishop]

:laugh: They are right up there with the Yankees considering thier #2 :coffee:


No. The red sox and Pirates have virtually the same payroll. The mean, nasty, evil Yankees are bad and the good guy red sox are thrifty.

rsn fans won't come right out and say they are a small market team, but they'll hint around about it all day long.

A red sox fan crying about payroll is like Jessica Simpson complaining about actresses that rely on looks, not talent.

[Southstander]

70 million more, and yet......

[BaileyTheBest]

No. The red sox and Pirates have virtually the same payroll. The mean, nasty, evil Yankees are bad and the good guy red sox are thrifty.

rsn fans won't come right out and say they are a small market team, but they'll hint around about it all day long.

A red sox fan crying about payroll is like Jessica Simpson complaining about actresses that rely on looks, not talent.

True, we are second in payroll but second in the sense of the horse that lost to Secretariat in the Belmont Stakes. Miles and miles away.

[Southstander]

Think of it this way, the Yanks are closer to us in the standings then we are to them in pay roll

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Think of it this way...

Boston is 2nd in the standings.
Yankees are 5th in the standings.

Yankees are #1 in payroll.
Boston is #2.

And the Small Market D-rays have the best record in baseball.

:coffee:

:laugh:

[Southstander]

The Devil must have on his long underwear to keep him warm now that he living room has frozen over

[BaileyTheBest]

As long as we got the Wild Card, I think it'd be pretty cool if the Rays won the division. Any fan that has stuck with them from their inception to now deserves it!

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

As long as we got the Wild Card, I think it'd be pretty cool if the Rays won the division. Any fan that has stuck with them from their inception to now deserves it!

I think it be dumb if they won the division. Let them get the wildcard. Why would you want a rival team to win the division?
That be like wanting the Chargers to win the division a few years ago because of how bad they been and all that. :laugh:

Let the Rays drop back to the bottom where they belong. :salute:

[Southstander]

I say let them be in third in the div, the celler looks good in pinstripes

[BaileyTheBest]

I think it be dumb if they won the division. Let them get the wildcard. Why would you want a rival team to win the division?
That be like wanting the Chargers to win the division a few years ago because of how bad they been and all that. :laugh:

Let the Rays drop back to the bottom where they belong. :salute:

I don't WANT them to win the division but I wouldn't be too upset if they did, as long as we got the WC.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

I don't WANT them to win the division but I wouldn't be too upset if they did, as long as we got the WC.

I'd be upset either way. Then again when your a Yankees fan your use to winning the division. Boston isn't as familiar with winning the division so it makes sense that you would settle for a wildcard. :salute:

[Southstander]

I don't want any of the other teams in our Div, to win either the DIV. Or the WC:D

[BaileyTheBest]

I'd be upset either way. Then again when your a Yankees fan your use to winning the division. Boston isn't as familiar with winning the division so it makes sense that you would settle for a wildcard. :salute:

Boston, is however, familiar with winning the World Series. How we get in the playoffs in unimportant, div winner or WC. The WS is all I care about! :salute:

[Southstander]

And we know how to come back from being down, three games to nothing in the ALCS. To make it even better we lit up the "Sandman" like a birthday candle at Chucky Cheese at a 3 year olds birthday party:cheers:.

[DevilSpawn]

And we know how to come back from being down, three games to nothing in the ALCS. To make it even better we lit up the "Sandman" like a birthday candle at Chucky Cheese at a 3 year olds birthday party:cheers:.
:laugh: Your grandkids may fall for that birthday cake lie about The Sandman, but not us. Mariano gave up 1 earned run on 1 hit and 1 inherited run on a sac fly. If you define that as lit up I guess we turned on the sun all those other series prior.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

:laugh: Your grandkids may fall for that birthday cake lie about The Sandman, but not us. Mariano gave up 1 earned run on 1 hit and 1 inherited run on a sac fly. If you define that as lit up I guess we turned on the sun all those other series prior.

Compared to how everyone else fares vs Mo that is considered lighting him up. :salute:

[keithbishop]

Think of it this way...

Boston is 2nd in the standings.
Yankees are 5th in the standings.

Yankees are #1 in payroll.
Boston is #2.

And the Small Market D-rays have the best record in baseball.

:coffee:

:laugh:

Or..........

George Steinbrenner's net worth: $1 Billion. Billion with a B.......... (sorry... it isn't $30 or $40 bil. or $900 bil., "just" $1 bil.)

John Henry's net worth: $1 Billion. Billion with a B.

Same $. Yeah, I glance at the Forbe's 400 each year to introduce reality to the crybabies.

Both play within the rules (blame Bud for the his refusal to implement stricter rules) and neither give a rat's (behind) about other teams.

Difference: I've watched my guys win 6 titles. All Bailey cares about is the World Series.... I just have a lot more experience watching champions.

Keep up the crying, thugh, sox fans.... just remember that no one falls for the "We don't have $$" line after you give out over $50 mil. for a negotiating fee.

Boo hoo hoo.... our payroll is only sightly over $150 mil. :rolleyes:

[Southstander]

KB you have to admit that the fact that is 70 Million dollars between, the two is a heck of a lot of money

[keithbishop]

KB you have to admit that the fact that is 70 Million dollars between, the two is a heck of a lot of money

Not when it's $70 mil. (your math is off, my friend, but we'll run with it) your owner has in his pocket and no rules are being violated. John Henry has the $70 mil. to spend. Let him spend it. Let him run up a $250 mil. payroll. I wouldn't care. It isn't the way to win a championship. Take it up with Henry. Crying is beneath you. Do you realy want to plead poverty as a red sox fan? Won't work. Ridiculous. You know better.


I don't like the rules. No one would be over $150 mil. (and no one would be under $75 mil. ), were it up to me. Teams going over $100 mil. would pay a 100% tax. Problem is..... Bud Selig is the worst commissioner of my lifetime.

Accept it: Henry and Steinbrenner have the same amount of wealth.

I really can't follow this rsn "logic".........

when the Yankees win the world series, I could give less than a $#&% about what the red sox spend or do. I'm happy. It's wonderful. I don't care who boston re-signs (I would never hold anything against a team for re-signing its own free agents), signs, or trades for. Spend $600 mil. ..... I wouldn't care.

Is jealousy what keeps the crying going strong? I don't get it.


I was hoping to see a Matsuzaka injury update in the thread..........

what happened?

[wncbronxx]

True, we are second in payroll but second in the sense of the horse that lost to Secretariat in the Belmont Stakes. Miles and miles away.


Good post!
Good point!:salute:

[kmcgough25]

:laugh: They are right up there with the Yankees considering thier #2 :coffee:

LOL at #2.

WRONG!!!!!!

Red Sox are #4.:coffee:

[kmcgough25]

Not when it's $70 mil. (your math is off, my friend, but we'll run with it) your owner has in his pocket and no rules are being violated. John Henry has the $70 mil. to spend. Let him spend it. Let him run up a $250 mil. payroll. I wouldn't care. It isn't the way to win a championship. Take it up with Henry. Crying is beneath you. Do you realy want to plead poverty as a red sox fan? Won't work. Ridiculous. You know better.


I don't like the rules. No one would be over $150 mil. (and no one would be under $75 mil. ), were it up to me. Teams going over $100 mil. would pay a 100% tax. Problem is..... Bud Selig is the worst commissioner of my lifetime.

Accept it: Henry and Steinbrenner have the same amount of wealth.

I really can't follow this rsn "logic".........

when the Yankees win the world series, I could give less than a $#&% about what the red sox spend or do. I'm happy. It's wonderful. I don't care who boston re-signs (I would never hold anything against a team for re-signing its own free agents), signs, or trades for. Spend $600 mil. ..... I wouldn't care.

Is jealousy what keeps the crying going strong? I don't get it.


I was hoping to see a Matsuzaka injury update in the thread..........

what happened?

You're way off. When payroll came up in this thread, along with any from Yankee trolls on the RSN board, it is Yankee fans who bring it up, and inaccarrately.

I'm sure you spend time on the Yankee board, and if you do, the fans there can't seem to stop talking about the Red Sox. Why?

They can't seem to accept that the Red Sox are the team to beat in the AL. Is history with the Yankees? Of course it is. Any true baseball fan understands that the Yankess consistently put out a good product and repect alot of their players.

But the thing is, Yankee fans continue to try and rationalize why the Red Sox are the better team. And the salary card keeps coming up and up and up.

According to many Yankee fans, the Sox have the #2 payroll, which is wrong. It is #4. It is Yankee fans who are jealous of the current state of affairs.

Yankees fans are spoiled. There have been so many World Series Championships.

And Yankee fans can't admit the truth.

Since 2004, the Sox are the better team. I don't care about payroll. But I do find it funny that is what Yankees fans use for their rationalization though.

[Mr. Roper]

I was hoping to see a Matsuzaka injury update in the thread..........

what happened?

Dice-K left the game in the 5th after throwing a couple warm-up tosses. Matsuzaka was holding his back and side as he walked off the mound. Matsuzaka said he had a similar experience with that type of injury in the 2nd or 3rd year of his professional career and felt it was best not to take any chances. The Red Sox are calling it shoulder fatigue.

No worries though. Dice-K might miss a couple starts but Clay Buchholz is ready to come off the DL and take his spot. It's a great feeling for Red Sox fans to have so much quality depth in our starting pitching. :rockon:

[keithbishop]

You're way off. When payroll came up in this thread, along with any from Yankee trolls on the RSN board, it is Yankee fans who bring it up, and inaccarrately.

I'm sure you spend time on the Yankee board, and if you do, the fans there can't seem to stop talking about the Red Sox. Why?

They can't seem to accept that the Red Sox are the team to beat in the AL. Is history with the Yankees? Of course it is. Any true baseball fan understands that the Yankess consistently put out a good product and repect alot of their players.

But the thing is, Yankee fans continue to try and rationalize why the Red Sox are the better team. And the salary card keeps coming up and up and up.

According to many Yankee fans, the Sox have the #2 payroll, which is wrong. It is #4. It is Yankee fans who are jealous of the current state of affairs.

Yankees fans are spoiled. There have been so many World Series Championships.

And Yankee fans can't admit the truth.

Since 2004, the Sox are the better team. I don't care about payroll. But I do find it funny that is what Yankees fans use for their rationalization though.

Way, way, way off base.

Sure, I screwed up. I missed that the $155 mil. payroll for the red sox was way, way, way back in 2007. Silly of me. On that end, I'm impressed that they lowered their payroll this season.

Doesn't mean that I buy the premise that Billionaire John Henry is any nearer the poor house than Billionaire George Steinbrenner. Fans of the Yankees OR boston crying about payroll is something I wasn't meant to understand.

I am jealous of nothing. Had you posted in this thread last season, you would have been congratulated on a Championship just like Bailey and co.

All I brought up about payroll is how ridiculous it is of sox fans to complain about payroll. Show me where I complained. I dare you. Again, John Henry can spend as much or as little as he wants to. Believing otherwise simply doesn't work. That isn't a shot at Henry.... Steinbrenner is in the exact same boat. Again, I hate the current payroll setup, both the top and bottom ends. The problem can be solved by a real commissioner. Unfortunately, all MLB has is Selig.

I know how to read the standings. I fully realize that boston has won 2 titles since 2004. I have never failed to credit a team for winning a title, whether I like them or not. What have I failed to admit?

I am not jealous of boston's titles. I've watched my team win 6. I have no reason whatsoever to appreciate those 6 titles so little that I would disrespect them by being jealous of any other team.... in any sport.

I'm talking about the red sox in a red sox thread.

This will shock you, but my discussions on Yankees sites are about the Yankees and their minor leaguers. Check out the AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
thread for an example of my primary focus.

[keithbishop]

Dice-K left the game in the 5th after throwing a couple warm-up tosses. Matsuzaka was holding his back and side as he walked off the mound. Matsuzaka said he had a similar experience with that type of injury in the 2nd or 3rd year of his professional career and felt it was best not to take any chances. The Red Sox are calling it shoulder fatigue.

No worries though. Dice-K might miss a couple starts but Clay Buchholz is ready to come off the DL and take his spot. It's a great feeling for Red Sox fans to have so much quality depth in our starting pitching. :rockon:

Thanks. There really wasn't much of anything about it last night.

[kmcgough25]

Way, way, way off base.

Sure, I screwed up. I missed that the $155 mil. payroll for the red sox was way, way, way back in 2007. Silly of me. On that end, I'm impressed that they lowered their payroll this season.

Doesn't mean that I buy the premise that Billionaire John Henry is any nearer the poor house than Billionaire George Steinbrenner. Fans of the Yankees OR boston crying about payroll is something I wasn't meant to understand.

I am jealous of nothing. Had you posted in this thread last season, you would have been congratulated on a Championship just like Bailey and co.

All I brought up about payroll is how ridiculous it is of sox fans to complain about payroll. Show me where I complained. I dare you. Again, John Henry can spend as much or as little as he wants to. Believing otherwise simply doesn't work. That isn't a shot at Henry.... Steinbrenner is in the exact same boat. Again, I hate the current payroll setup, both the top and bottom ends. The problem can be solved by a real commissioner. Unfortunately, all MLB has is Selig.

I know how to read the standings. I fully realize that boston has won 2 titles since 2004. I have never failed to credit a team for winning a title, whether I like them or not. What have I failed to admit?

I am not jealous of boston's titles. I've watched my team win 6. I have no reason whatsoever to appreciate those 6 titles so little that I would disrespect them by being jealous of any other team.... in any sport.

I'm talking about the red sox in a red sox thread.

This will shock you, but my discussions on Yankees sites are about the Yankees and their minor leaguers. Check out the AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
thread for an example of my primary focus.

You are assuming I addressed this specifically to you, which I am not. As many folks tend to, I addressed it in general. So if that offended you, my apologies.

I also agree with you on payrolls. If they got it and want to spend it, have at it. But if you ever happen to venture over to the Sox board, you will see that my statements about alot (not you!!) of Yankess fans will prove my statements correct.

I could say the same thing about your statements regarding Red Sox fans complaining about a "small market" team because I never said that. You can check that out on the Sox board. But I don't take offense to it because I know some have.

See, it's the same thing, just turned around. However, I do not agree that the Red Sox and Yankees payrolls are both "up there" so they are the same. That's just not accurrate.

Back on to the diamond, people make a big deal over the current state of affairs in New York and their pitching staff...whether they should have traded the young guys for Johann. My 2 cents is they did the right thing that will probably start paying dues next year. Kennedy and Hughes may be taking their lumps, but my bet is they will be very good next year.

[Southstander]

I hope Manny hits his 500th HR

[kmcgough25]

I believe ESPN2 is switching to his ABs live tonight.

[kmcgough25]

Well, at least just got to see him hit a single....better than nothing in the 4th inning.

[keithbishop]

You are assuming I addressed this specifically to you, which I am not. As many folks tend to, I addressed it in general. So if that offended you, my apologies.

I also agree with you on payrolls. If they got it and want to spend it, have at it. But if you ever happen to venture over to the Sox board, you will see that my statements about alot (not you!!) of Yankess fans will prove my statements correct.

I could say the same thing about your statements regarding Red Sox fans complaining about a "small market" team because I never said that. You can check that out on the Sox board. But I don't take offense to it because I know some have.

See, it's the same thing, just turned around. However, I do not agree that the Red Sox and Yankees payrolls are both "up there" so they are the same. That's just not accurrate.

Back on to the diamond, people make a big deal over the current state of affairs in New York and their pitching staff...whether they should have traded the young guys for Johann. My 2 cents is they did the right thing that will probably start paying dues next year. Kennedy and Hughes may be taking their lumps, but my bet is they will be very good next year.


I didn't say the payrolls are the same.... merely that they are whatever the owners want them to be. Lack of funding doesn't prevent either owner from doing whatever they want. The Mets, Dodgers, and Angels, among others, are in the same boat. If you want to talk $$, look no further than the Angels owner.

The Santana non-move was a very interesting study. When the media thought he was headed to the Yankees, perception was that the big, mean, evil Yankees were buying everyone. When reality sent him to the Mets..... the media never used the words "small market" in association with the Mets, but they were viewed in that exact context, and it was all but labeled the greatest move since Babe Ruth's acquisition.

With more bad news on Phil Hughes (broken bone hasn't healed yet), it's tough to see a payoff for the Yankees from the non-move this season, at least on the pitching end (I wasn't interested in trading Melky Cabrera), but I agree that it will next season. Unfortunately, however, I'm certain it will end up costing Brian Cashman his job. He became scapegoat #1 the moment he refused to increase the payroll to improve the team on paper (fantasy baseball mentality that doesn't equal titles). I believe Cashman is taking the proper route, re-signing your own key free agents and bringing help up from the minors, but it takes patience, and the Steinbrenner's have never demonstrated patience.

The Yankees are off today, but that doesn't make it a "baseball free" day for me. I'm already counting down the hours to 6 PM, when I get to watch Dan McCutchen make his 2nd start in AAA. It doesn't have a damned thing to do with payroll, it's all about the love of the game.

I can't speak for the "average" Yankees fan. I was way beyond that stage when I was 12. ;)

[Southstander]

Dice-K is out with a mild rotator culf strain

[keithbishop]

Dice-K is out with a mild rotator culf strain

Doesn't sound serious, but just the mention of a rotator cuff injury is alarming. I hate to see anyone go on the DL.

[Southstander]

especally someone we paid 50 Million just to Talk to

[wncbronxx]

Dice-K is out with a mild rotator culf strain

Is that Andrew Dice Clay your talking about? :D

[keithbishop]

Is that Andrew Dice Clay your talking about? :D

#@$% yeah, it is. ;)

[Southstander]

MAN-RAM HITS HIS 500 HR:salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

MAN-RAM HITS HIS 500 HR:salute:

And admired it halfway to first base! I wouldn't have it any other way! :salute:

[DevilSpawn]

Congrats to Manny. :salute: Even if he's a Sox, he's my favorite non-Yankee of all time and one I cheer for when he's not playing against us. :salute:

[wncbronxx]

#@$% yeah, it is. ;)

You know him I see.

Oh ya, so not to get to South.Go Sox! :D

[Southstander]

And admired it halfway to first base! I wouldn't have it any other way! :salute:

Manny being Manny:salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

Manny wasted no time hitting #501 today! :salute:

[Southstander]

Got to love Manny

[Southstander]

Just when my night could not get worse, I find out Ortiz is out for atleast one month, and maybe out for the Season.:sad:

[BaileyTheBest]

You know, if Ortiz does wind up being out for the season, there is a pretty good DH out there on the market by the name of Barry Bonds. Thoughts?

[Bronco Axe]

Man I would not put Bonds on a team that has good chemistry like Boston does right now, someone else will step into Left field and Manny will be the DH maybe?

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

You know, if Ortiz does wind up being out for the season, there is a pretty good DH out there on the market by the name of Barry Bonds. Thoughts?

:laugh: @ Bonds. Barry Hates Boston and hes said it before. Were you serious about bringing Bonds in though? :confused:

[Southstander]

Just say no to Barriod

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: @ Bonds. Barry Hates Boston and hes said it before. Were you serious about bringing Bonds in though? :confused:

He made that quote about Boston 4 years ago. If he really wants to play and they are the only team to make him an offer, damn skippy he'll go there.

And yes, I would love for Boston to get Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season. He may be controversial but he will help us win, which is all I care about in the end.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

He made that quote about Boston 4 years ago. If he really wants to play and they are the only team to make him an offer, damn skippy he'll go there.

And yes, I would love for Boston to get Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season. He may be controversial but he will help us win, which is all I care about in the end.

:laugh: I doubt Bonds would help you win. He'd just be a big body who might hit a HR here and there. But he's old. He should just call it quits, although I would like to see him playing again.

And I just noticed that KB has more posts in this thread then anyone else. :laugh:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: I doubt Bonds would help you win. He'd just be a big body who might hit a HR here and there. But he's old. He should just call it quits, although I would like to see him playing again.

I think he still has some good ball left in him. I say sign him to a low-risk contract and if he sucks, get rid of him. It couldn't hurt.

And I just noticed that KB has more posts in this thread then anyone else. :laugh:

how did you find that out?

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

how did you find that out?


I went thru each page individually and counted each post on each page and came to that conclusion :rockon:

:laugh: jk......

Click on the "replies" button. The number of replies in this thread.
And a list pops up with all the people who posted and how many times. :salute:

[Southstander]

I don't see that button

[BaileyTheBest]

I don't see that button

nor do i...

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

I don't see that button

Heres a screenshot:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/portis226/replies.jpg


Hope that helps :salute:

[Southstander]

He's Making it up Get him (Grabs a pitch Fork)

[BaileyTheBest]

oh i see it now! hey, i'm 2nd!

[BaileyTheBest]

hell i'm even 4th in the yankees thread! :laugh:

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

hell i'm even 4th in the yankees thread! :laugh:

:laugh: Nice... Behind the 3 yankee fans :P

But I just found that feature last night on accident. Its my new favorite toy :laugh:

[BaileyTheBest]

:laugh: Nice... Behind the 3 yankee fans :P

But I just found that feature last night on accident. Its my new favorite toy :laugh:

that is an awesome toy!

[Southstander]

All it did for me was sort by number of responses

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

All it did for me was sort by number of responses

Yea it will show who has what number of posts in each thread.

And if you click the number of replies for a certain person it will show you all thier posts for that thread.

Something like that. I'm still figuring it out :laugh:

[Southstander]

Never mind I got it to work

[BaileyTheBest]

Looks like Papi will be ok after all...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3424740

[RunYouOver]

Beware of tough guy Coco Crisp!

He'll take you out and then refuse to watch the other team retaliate.

Big bench-clearing brawl tonight...the general consensus is that it was stupid for him to charge the mound.

Anyway, lots of Rays players could be suspended.

[Southstander]

I'm staring to love Coco, first he responed to my question on Myspace, now this.:salute::rockon:

[RunYouOver]

I'm staring to love Coco, first he responed to my question on Myspace, now this.:salute::rockon:

Personally, I think he made a fool out of himself and looked like a punk.

But that's just my (completely) unbiased opinion.;)

[keithbishop]

I'm staring to love Coco, first he responed to my question on Myspace, now this.:salute::rockon:

No... 1st he got benched, then he responded, then this. :D

[Southstander]

Still I say:rockon:

[kmcgough25]

Personally, I think he made a fool out of himself and looked like a punk.

But that's just my (completely) unbiased opinion.;)

Not sure if you are aware of the whole story that boiled over from last night....he was thrown at.

[Southstander]

any of you on www.sawxheads.com its like myspace, but just for Red Sox fans

[keithbishop]

Still I say:rockon:


Just pulling your chain, my friend.

[Southstander]

I know KB.:salute:

[BaileyTheBest]

I love a good ol baseball brawl! Good for coco!

[Southstander]

Our home winstreak has ended:sad:

[kmcgough25]

Masterson contines to impress...but I am hearing that Dice-K is out until July.

[Southstander]

With Dice-K out till July, and Papi out a till about then, we need alot of people to step up.

[Southstander]

http://static.sawxheads.com/1/uc/3/56/2192370561570.jpg

[kmcgough25]

With the suspensions of Casy, Crisp, and Lester, it certainly makes for an intersesting June. Good thing they are staggered.

On the positive side, JD has been smacking the ball since he moved to the 3 slot.

[Southstander]

Masterson became the first pitcher in the history of Fenway Park to go unbeaten in his first four starts. Francona announced before the game that he hoped Jacoby Ellsbury would return to the Boston lineup Tuesday. … Bedard has allowed one run in 12 innings against Boston this season.

[Southstander]

No game tonight, but despite the injuries the Sox are still atop the AL East

[Southstander]

Sox win!!!

[Mr. Roper]

Sox win!!!

Jacoby had another SB last night. He now has 29 so far this season. That's amazing.

Also, congrats to Big Papi on becoming a United States Citizen! :salute:

[Southstander]

Sox win 9-2 powered by a Grand Slam by Lowell.:salute:

[Southstander]

The Sox let a great 6 plus innings of pitching go down the drain.

[Southstander]

9-0 Seven Inning shut out for Beck

[BaileyTheBest]

Just imagine how good we're going to be once we get everyone back healthy.

[Southstander]

Same with my Sox, we have quite a few on the DL.

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

Same with my Sox, we have quite a few on the DL.

Are they your Sox or BaileyTheBest's sox? :confused:

Because he likes Boston as well.
But if thier your Sox then thats cool :salute:

[Southstander]

We share them.:D

[Southstander]

Sox lose.:sad:

[Southstander]

:salute:Sox win. Lester pitches 7 shut out innings against the NL top scroing offense.

[Bronco Axe]

:sad: Not too cool at all if Curt goes out like this! He deserves better, hope he comes back one more year. He would be 42 though.:eek:

[Southstander]

http://www.petitiononline.com/JP2007/petition.html

To: MLB Commissioner Bud Selig

We, the undersigned, urge the Commissioner of Major League Baseball to allow Red Sox legend Johnny Pesky to remain—in uniform—in the Red Sox dugout.
If you agree one this please click the link and support Pesky.

[Southstander]

Sox win on extra innings, with a two run shot by Youklis.

[kmcgough25]

Lester continues to impress. He is getting more anf more consistent. Man I like this guy.