Dumervil moving outside

[ECBronco]

I found this on DenverPost.com.

The quest for a better pass rush continued as rookie Elvis Dumervil, who led the nation with 20 sacks last year, was moved from tackle to end.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4123203

I really like this move becuase I think that Dumervil will have more of an impact outside. I've only been reading positive things about Dumervil so far.

[GIVEME6]

Could be our "Dwight Freeney". Freeney's greatest weapon is his speed, which Dumervil has, and his short stature. I remember seeing Freeney make Jonathan Ogden look plain silly in a game, because Ogden couldn't get low enough on Freeney to get leverage on him....when he COULD get his hands on him....Can't wait to see Elvis "The King" Dumervil do his thing this year.

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

The dude is going to be the Shawne Merriman at DE this year *Crosses fingers that my bold prediction is true*

[kmartin575]

Could be our "Dwight Freeney". Freeney's greatest weapon is his speed, which Dumervil has, and his short stature. I remember seeing Freeney make Jonathan Ogden look plain silly in a game, because Ogden couldn't get low enough on Freeney to get leverage on him....when he COULD get his hands on him....Can't wait to see Elvis "The King" Dumervil do his thing this year.

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

[The Dark Knight]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.



40 yard times and burst off the LOS are two totally different things.

[topscribe]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.
Dumervil is in that range over 40 yards, in a straight line, without pads. How often do DEs have to run 40 yards? The speed that counts is the speed to the QB . . . ten yards on in. Apparently, Dumervil has that kind of speed. It's called playing speed.

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[GIVEME6]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

You're right. He's definitely more quick than fast, and it's that explosive first step that is gonna cause alot of trouble for o-linemen.

[Dream]

Bingo. . . TDK -- and I don't know if this is a permanent switch. It just could mean he'd be seeing some more time out there as well. From what I've read in the reports, Kaylore and SoCal have said his quickness and leverage are giving interior lineman fits. This has nothing to do with Dumervil's performance in camp -- it's been very good, perhaps he's being moved outside because other people are playing poor. Perhaps, he's just being moved around to see what he can do. I wouldn't take this as a be-all-end-all that's where he's going to play. If they didn't think he could play tackle, I don't think he'd be getting that much praise from where he's been playing since camp started.

[HolyDiver]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

Quickness...............or, speed in the 6-10 yard range, which is all you need when playing that position, unlike Corner or Wide Receiver.

[kmartin575]

You're right. He's definitely more quick than fast, and it's that explosive first step that is gonna cause alot of trouble for o-linemen.

That's fine. I just don't think his speed can be compared to Dwight Freeney. He still could have a very good career, but I doubt it will be because of his speed.

[Dream]

That's fine. I just don't think his speed can be compared to Dwight Freeney. He still could have a very good career, but I doubt it will be because of his speed.

I've never bought the Freeney comparison, and Coyer may think it's a good one, but Dumervil is nowhere near the athlete he is. I think Elvis' fastest 40 time was clocked in at his campus agility tests were he had a 4.68, but I had heard some scouts had him clocked lower. That's still pretty fast, but then again as Top stated, he's not going to run 40 yards down field. His acceleration and burst off of the line of scrimmage are unquestioned. He's very quick in that regard.

[GIVEME6]

That's fine. I just don't think his speed can be compared to Dwight Freeney. He still could have a very good career, but I doubt it will be because of his speed.

Freeney ran what...a 4.4-something? Freeney definitely has better pursuit speed, but overall quickness off the ball is pretty close from what I've seen. Dumervil also has ALOT of moves at his disposal that most rookie DE/DTs don't have right away. Of course I haven't seen him against any NFL lineman for 16 games.....

[Jaws]

Bingo. . . TDK -- and I don't know if this is a permanent switch. It just could mean he'd be seeing some more time out there as well. From what I've read in the reports, Kaylore and SoCal have said his quickness and leverage are giving interior lineman fits. This has nothing to do with Dumervil's performance in camp -- it's been very good, perhaps he's being moved outside because other people are playing poor. Perhaps, he's just being moved around to see what he can do. I wouldn't take this as a be-all-end-all that's where he's going to play. If they didn't think he could play tackle, I don't think he'd be getting that much praise from where he's been playing since camp started.

I'm sure that management mentioned that he would be played both outside and inside pretty soon after he was drafted. The more flexible he is in terms of positions he can play the better I reckon.

[Dream]

Absolutely Jaws, but nose and left end might be a little hard for him, UT and RE would suit him best, but what separates this kid away from most lineman his size are his wingspan and his motor. Kid just doesn't quick. A lot of people say he played against bad competition, but I don't care. He single handedly beat Kentucky on defense. He made everyone on that line, their RB and their QB his personal. . . _ _ _ _ _ . . . (You know what I mean!) Dumervil probably won't be a Michael Strahan, but a guy because of his motor, instincts and quickness could notch 5-8 sacks a year in his role on the team. Hell, that'd be better than anyone last year.

From SoCal on Dumervil:

"Dumervil is starting at DT on the first team nickel and is playing DE in the base on the 2nd team from what I have seen."

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

Please people, don't forget that this is the same guy who forced 10 fumbles in a season

The dude was a monster at Louisville

[dogfish]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.


to qoute brian billick: "i'll worry about his forty time when they start lining quarterbacks up forty yards behind center!"


HA!!


:salute: :salute: :salute:

[silkamilkamonic]

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these Freeney and Dumerville comparisons.

So Dumerville is small like Freeney, big deal. Shall I go and through out every short DE in the last year or 2 in the NFL and bring comparisons to Freeney?

Here's a difference between the 2. Freeney is an established pass rushing threat at the end position in the NFL. Dumerville hasn't even played a down.

I think Dumerville might be a good player down the road, but I don't see him with much playing time at all this year, and probably being our 5th or 6th best DE, behind Ekuban, Brown, Lang, Jackson, and maybe even Engelberger.

Dumerville will be fighting for a roster spot, although I think he'll get one cuz he's young and intriguing, but leave Dwight Freeney out of it.

It's an inuslt to Freeney, and not fair to Dumerville.

[Dream]

First of all, it's Dumervil and secondly -- you haven't been hearing much about any of our ends in camp, secondly -- Dumervil is first team in the nickle package playing defensive tackle and is on the second team playing defensive end. This kid is making the roster, no doubt about it. Honestly, why wouldn't he make the team?

[silkamilkamonic]

First of all, it's Dumervil and secondly -- you haven't been hearing much about any of our ends in camp, secondly -- Dumervil is first team in the nickle package playing defensive tackle and is on the second team playing defensive end. This kid is making the roster, no doubt about it. Honestly, why wouldn't he make the team?


Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.

[HolyDiver]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.

Actually, Dumvervil may be better compared to Bert Berry. He was not as good against the run at first, but now is a complete DE. He's a rookie, but give him time and I se him as the starting DE by mid to late season.

[Dream]

One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

Wow, no kidding? That's a bold statement.

He has weaknesses against the run, but that's not why he's here. He was brought in to rush the passer. He has the nose for the ball, sacks the quarterback and forces fumbles. Maybe he doesn't have the ideal size, but the kid regardless of who he plays against -- got to the ball. There are plenty of players like Mario Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka and higher profile ends that got a lot of sacks against poor teams in garbage time, but nobody mentions that.

I don't care what level you're at, what he did in college was impressive. Even if he's not an every down guy for us in the NFL. . . if he can get us 25 tackles or so, and some sacks -- more power to us. Just as much as any of our lineman have done. To get a guy of his caliber in the fourth round is pretty good. Had Dumervil been 6'4 - 265 pounds, he was a top fiteen pick easy. Without question.

6'0 -- 255 pounds? That's fine by me. There are a lot of guys that size who have been successful. . . I can think of a guy who played for the Broncos who was around that too.

[ECBronco]

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these Freeney and Dumerville comparisons.

So Dumerville is small like Freeney, big deal. Shall I go and through out every short DE in the last year or 2 in the NFL and bring comparisons to Freeney?

Here's a difference between the 2. Freeney is an established pass rushing threat at the end position in the NFL. Dumerville hasn't even played a down.

I think Dumerville might be a good player down the road, but I don't see him with much playing time at all this year, and probably being our 5th or 6th best DE, behind Ekuban, Brown, Lang, Jackson, and maybe even Engelberger.

Dumerville will be fighting for a roster spot, although I think he'll get one cuz he's young and intriguing, but leave Dwight Freeney out of it.

It's an inuslt to Freeney, and not fair to Dumerville.

I don't like the Freeney to Dumervil comparisons either, but how can you say "it's an insult to Freeney". This type of comparison is a HUGE compliment to Freeney. It's merely Bronco fans hoping that Dumervil can turn into a impact player.

Dumervil will definitely make the team. There has been nothing negative about him coming out of camp. He has a huge motor and I think/hope he can make an impact this year in passing situations. I would be thrilled if he can develop into a player that can contribute 7 or 8 sacks a year.

[WildHorse]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.

I prefer to be a "cup half full" kind of guy. It's too early to declare Dumervil the next Freeney or the next "anybody", but the early returns haven't been disappointing.

He's getting a lot of time with the 1st team D on passing downs.

He's getting a lot of time with the 2nd team D on "regular" downs.

He's getting positive comments from coaches and players.

He's not buried on the depth chart.

He's in camp and working hard.

What's not to like!! :D :D :D

These positive comments don't mean he's the second coming of "so-and-so", but it's certainly a lot better than seeing him buried in the depth chart and dropping into oblivion.

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

I say we just use 6 linemen, 3 LBs and 3 DBs on passing downs, then we have our front 7(Or 8) look like this:

LB LB DT DT DE LB DE DE
OT OG C OG OT

Lang and Dumervil are the two DEs on the far right, and DJ is the LB to the left of them... Hell yeah, 3 of the fastest pass rushers on the field coming from one end... MWAHAHAHAHA

Bahahahahaha no match for our l33t pass rush skillz... Even with 5 WRs(Yes, leaving 2 receivers uncovered), we still bring that package, agressiveness wins championships :rockon:

[HolyDiver]

I don't like the Freeney to Dumervil comparisons either, but how can you say "it's an insult to Freeney". This type of comparison is a HUGE compliment to Freeney. It's merely Bronco fans hoping that Dumervil can turn into a impact player.

Dumervil will definitely make the team. There has been nothing negative about him coming out of camp. He has a huge motor and I think/hope he can make an impact this year in passing situations. I would be thrilled if he can develop into a player that can contribute 7 or 8 sacks a year.

I think the guy will tear it up, I really do. I'm not saying 20 sacks a season, more like the 6-8 you mentioned at first. But Berry and Hayward started out like that too. And now Berry is good for 11, 12 a season. I was so happy when we drafted both Dumervil and Brandon Marshall. Both of those guys will end up being great picks I think.

[dogfish]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.


so who said dumervil has to be an every-down starter? duh, of course you'd prefer a guy like that, but if a 4th rounder can make some plays as a 3rd down pass rush specialist on a team in desperate need of help in that area, then it's a pick well spent. . . . i guess teams won't be running on him too much if he's only in the game on passing downs-- if they wanna grind out 5 or 6 on 3rd and 8, more power to 'em! the guy doesn't have to be freeney, 6-8 sacks would be a big upgrade from anyone on last year's roster. . . . robert mathis doesn't play every down for the clots, but he still has an impact on the game. . . . oh, and BTW-- i'd take simeon rice on my D any day and twice on sunday. . . . . . :)

[jhns]

I say we just use 6 linemen, 3 LBs and 3 DBs on passing downs, then we have our front 7(Or 8) look like this:

LB LB DT DT DE LB DE DE
OT OG C OG OT

Lang and Dumervil are the two DEs on the far right, and DJ is the LB to the left of them... Hell yeah, 3 of the fastest pass rushers on the field coming from one end... MWAHAHAHAHA

Bahahahahaha no match for our l33t pass rush skillz... Even with 5 WRs(Yes, leaving 2 receivers uncovered), we still bring that package, agressiveness wins championships :rockon:

You should send that formation to Coyer. He would most likely really run it. (I really would like a new coordinator, I think he is the worst part of this team and probably the only thing I don't like on it)

[no-pseudo-fan]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

So i get this straight, how many reps did Hali have at 225? Didn't Jay Cutler out lift him? So your new "stud" DE is weaker than our backup QB. Good luck with that.

[jhns]

So i get this straight, how many reps did Hali have at 225? Didn't Jay Cutler out lift him? So your new "stud" DE is weaker than our backup QB. Good luck with that.

Ha, I think Jay actually outlifted a lot of linemen. Another nice trait to have on the team. :beer:

[Kaylore]

Dumervil has been playing end on the second team for some time. He just plays tackle in the first team nickle package.

[champbronc2]

So i get this straight, how many reps did Hali have at 225? Didn't Jay Cutler out lift him? So your new "stud" DE is weaker than our backup QB. Good luck with that.
www.jaycutler.com

Oh yeah I bet he could outlift Hali. :D

[Colorado69]

KC Chef fans have been trying to bash the Broncos on this board for so long. Each time they attempt to degrade the Broncos a simple comparison to the numerous weaknesses of their team sends them home crying. Rookies haven't proven a thing , yet, so how can anyone be factual about their NFL careers? I look forward to seeing another strong draft class play and provide help to the Broncos. Marshall, Dumervil, and Scheffler all have a chance at making positive effects on the team. It would be fun to see Cutler outlift the top defensive player taken by the Chefs!!!

[ECBronco]

Dumervil has been playing end on the second team for some time. He just plays tackle in the first team nickle package.

Yeah, I've been reading the posts from you and SoCal with the camp updates. They have been great. Are the people at the Post just out of touch or are they only there for a few minutes each day? Today they are reporting this...

Rookie Elvis Dumervil was back at defensive tackle Wednesday after practicing at end Tuesday

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4128776

[TXBRONC]

Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

I would think that as Chiefs fanm you would have more pressing things to think about than the speed of Dumervil. Like that great offensive line of yours that lost what, both starting OTs?

[HolyDiver]

I would think that as Chiefs fanm you would have more pressing things to think about than the speed of Dumervil. Like that great offensive line of yours that lost what, both starting OTs?

OMG, I was sooooooooooo happy to hear Roaf retired.................they are screwed losing two key O-linemen and their starting Fullback. ............I dislike the Raiders...............But I fricken HATE the Chiefs with a passion. An average team, good Offense, but average as a total team and they seem to think they are Super Bowl worthy every season................Even this season.

[JRWIZ]

I would think that as Chiefs fanm you would have more pressing things to think about than the speed of Dumervil. Like that great offensive line of yours that lost what, both starting OTs?


But getting ty law and bennet will make up for it!

[MindField]

Dumervil was back at D-Tackle at yesterdays and todays practices....to me, this is not a good sign...he looks a bit slow for the outside and way undersized on the inside....I don't think there are many 5'11"-250lb DT's in the NFL...

[Jaws]

Dumervil was back at D-Tackle at yesterdays and todays practices....to me, this is not a good sign...he looks a bit slow for the outside and way undersized on the inside....I don't think there are many 5'11"-250lb DT's in the NFL...

I thought he was playing DT on first team nickel packages and DE on second team D?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1206856&postcount=36

[ECBronco]

I thought he was playing DT on first team nickel packages and DE on second team D?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1206856&postcount=36
Yeah, that is definitely what the guys over on Orange Mane are saying. I take their word over what the Denver Post is reporting.

[MindField]

Yeah, that is definitely what the guys over on Orange Mane are saying. I take their word over what the Denver Post is reporting.

Then you are a fool....Bill Williamson smokes anything an ametuer would report...

[TXBRONC]

But getting ty law and bennet will make up for it!

Bennet is at most a thrid down back. Law is in the twilight of his career.

[JRWIZ]

Bennet is at most a thrid down back. Law is in the twilight of his career.


I could not find a saracastic smilie. I guess you missed my meaning.

[dogfish]

I could not find a saracastic smilie. I guess you missed my meaning.


try this one: :rolleyes:


usually works for me. . . . . . . :coffee:



oh yea, the coffe is good also. . . . . .


:cheers:

[ECBronco]

Then you are a fool....Bill Williamson smokes anything an ametuer would report...

IMO, Williamson, while a professional, provides horrible analysis. Adam Shefter was 10 times better.

Sincerely,
The Fool

[JRWIZ]

try this one: :rolleyes:


usually works for me. . . . . . . :coffee:



oh yea, the coffe is good also. . . . . .


:cheers:

Thanks I missed the sarcastic portion on that one.

[HolyDiver]

Dumervil was back at D-Tackle at yesterdays and todays practices....to me, this is not a good sign...he looks a bit slow for the outside and way undersized on the inside....I don't think there are many 5'11"-250lb DT's in the NFL...

Are you at camp? Or, just an overall impression?............... I've heard nothing but positive things about Dumervil.