mmm guys , tatum has been fumbling alot so far (Merged)

[daynewillreign]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

[Nomad Broncofan]

Two words! TRAINING CAMP! Calm down or you'll never make it through the season and it's a month away.

[jhns]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

All 3 of the backs that are playing have fumbles about every day. Yesterday all 3 had a fumbling problem. It happens a lot in training camps for some reason and some of the "fumbles" are after they think they are tackled since it isn't all out tackling.

NO WORRIES BELL WILL SUCCEED.

[jhns]

Two words! TRAINING CAMP! Calm down or you'll never make it through the season and it's a month away.

I don't think he is worried. I'm pretty sure this thread is meant to just talk crap about Bell by looking at his name. He most likely just wants Dayne to start and be a premier back because Dayne has been pulling supporters like this for a while now. Then they all feel they have to put down Bell like that will help Dayne do any better.

[MyFav]

Bell will be fine.

[daynewillreign]

I don't think he is worried. I'm pretty sure this thread is meant to just talk crap about Bell by looking at his name. He most likely just wants Dayne to start and be a premier back because Dayne has been pulling supporters like this for a while now. Then they all feel they have to put down Bell like that will help Dayne do any better.


dahhhh of course im a dayne fan,,,,,dayne had 3 atts for 28 yds,,,then tatum comes in and has 3 atts for 7 yds and a fumble,,,,i want the broncos to win,i want dayne to have a great season,i want tatum to have a great season,,,,maybe ,just maybe,im an ideal fan ie: " having a fav player yet wants all players to do well "
you know what assuming will do,need i say more ,go broncos !!!! :D

[tnedator]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

Based on the Mane report from yesterday, they all fumbled. Also, based on the last couple days, the two Bells are running better than the other two, so T. Bell looks be moving along nicely.

[daynewillreign]

Based on the Mane report from yesterday, they all fumbled. Also, based on the last couple days, the two Bells are running better than the other two, so T. Bell looks be moving along nicely.

can you give me a link please,,, :D

[tnedator]

can you give me a link please,,, :D


"Tatum repeatedly beat the defense to the corner and I noticed that he is running with a lower pad level now. He's also finding the creases a little better. There was an inside run where he could have easily bumped into the back of Cooper but he just slithered around and found an opening at the last second. All of the backs fumbled at least once though."

Orange Mane Report (SoCal) (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1206794&postcount=19)

[TXBRONC]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

I'm just as concerned about the reports about Dayne dancing at the line of scrimage. This shouldn't be happening to a guy familar with zone blocking scheme.

[LDB]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

::Sigh::

Will this non-sense ever end? It used to be that fans wanted whoever was best for the team. I just can't understand why some children feel the need to tear down our own players to make their "favorites" look better. :confused: If they are in Orange and Blue then we should be cheering for them.

By the way...look at the camp reports...posted both here and at Orangemane.com by people who are actually at the training camp. They say all the RB's fumbled...not just Bell :coffee:

[Jaws]

I'm just as concerned about the reports about Dayne dancing at the line of scrimage. This shouldn't be happening to a guy familar with zone blocking scheme.

Hey, he has a legitimate chance of fighting for the no 1 spot once in his life - wouldn't you be dancing? ;)

[TXBRONC]

"Tatum repeatedly beat the defense to the corner and I noticed that he is running with a lower pad level now. He's also finding the creases a little better. There was an inside run where he could have easily bumped into the back of Cooper but he just slithered around and found an opening at the last second. All of the backs fumbled at least once though."

Orange Mane Report (SoCal) (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1206794&postcount=19)

Tned and the never ending chore of setting the record straight. :salute: :beer:

[TXBRONC]

Hey, he has a legitimate chance of fighting for the no 1 spot once in his life - wouldn't you be dancing? ;)

Not when I'm while running with ball Jaws. Afterwards maybe but not during a play. :D

[tnedator]

Tned and the never ending chore of setting the record straight. :salute: :beer:

Somebody's got to do it :)

[Nick]

Best way to put this topic and sum it up. We got a pretty good freaking Run D. These Defense players that are trying to make the team wants to show what they got.

Tatum has been fumbling a lot more.

I am personaly suprised by Mike Bells work ethic. He has already approved his game spoting holes covering ball then when he was in college.

This kid must be practing 3 times a day with the coaches or somthing :beer:

Tatum needs to hold onto the ball and show some more toughness

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that Clinton Portis had some fumbling issues in both his training camp years here.

We all saw how that translated on Sunday's :coffee:

[TXBRONC]

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that Clinton Portis had some fumbling issues in both his training camp years here.

We all saw how that translated on Sunday's :coffee:


His first year he did but I don't think was the case his second year.

[JRWIZ]

While I truly appreciate the reports I see here and on OM I temper them with the thought that while they are there they also have there personal biases and favorite players and no matter how objective they try to appear sometime the critical eye is not as critical when looking at a personal favorite. And perhaps a bit more critical on someone that tis not a favorite.

So thanks for the reports, but I for one will as always also try to read/watch the coaches comments also. Other thatn some motivation factors most of their comments are going to be with a professional eye looking at them.

[silkamilkamonic]

"Tatum repeatedly beat the defense to the corner and I noticed that he is running with a lower pad level now. He's also finding the creases a little better. There was an inside run where he could have easily bumped into the back of Cooper but he just slithered around and found an opening at the last second. All of the backs fumbled at least once though."

Orange Mane Report (SoCal) (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1206794&postcount=19)


Is it just coincidence that Daynewillreign has not been back to visit this thread since this post was entered?

[MarvinWillis]

Is it just coincidence that Daynewillreign has not been back to visit this thread since this post was entered?

Thats true, I dont like fans that don't like the team just a player. There Nut riders,
It seems like hes trying to make Dayne sound like Terrell Davis or some Elte back.

[Javalon]

mmm guys , tatum has been fumbling alot so far

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !


Mmm, yeah, Dayne has also been fumbling a lot so far. And I'm worried if he doesn't stop the freaking fumbles!


:rolleyes:


Is the season here yet? :ugh:

[JRWIZ]

IS anyone else having trouble with connections today?

This is my third attempt to send this.

The dayne bandwagon will have to learn that the tater lovers will never accept that fact taht he is not a full time RB and will believe till he is cut that he can "take it to the house" each and every time he touches the ball. And that he is poorti$$$ redux.

The tater crowd will always believe that Dayne is nothing but a bust and will never do anything in the NFL. That his penchant for being the stud-buffalo in college can't be done in the NFL.

Now we have another wagon train forming for Mike Bell.

Sounds to me like the Q vs tater wars of 2004 and to some degree the tater vs Anderson of 2005, are back.


I for one think I'll let Mikey and Bobby make these decisions, as if they care what the fans think anyway.

[TXBRONC]

While I truly appreciate the reports I see here and on OM I temper them with the thought that while they are there they also have there personal biases and favorite players and no matter how objective they try to appear sometime the critical eye is not as critical when looking at a personal favorite. And perhaps a bit more critical on someone that tis not a favorite.

So thanks for the reports, but I for one will as always also try to read/watch the coaches comments also. Other thatn some motivation factors most of their comments are going to be with a professional eye looking at them.

Ok JR then what is this statement below?

The dayne bandwagon will have to learn that the tater lovers will never accept that fact taht he is not a full time RB and will believe till he is cut that he can "take it to the house" each and every time he touches the ball. And that he is poorti$$$ redux.

I call it personal bias.

I have read the camp reports from our fellow posters who are there and I haven't seen them slanting there reports one way or the other so props to them. I have also read the ones coming from the "offical" reports and to tell you the truth they are mirror images of each other.

[Javalon]

IS anyone else having trouble with connections today?

This is my third attempt to send this.

The dayne bandwagon will have to learn that the tater lovers will never accept that fact taht he is not a full time RB and will believe till he is cut that he can "take it to the house" each and every time he touches the ball. And that he is poorti$$$ redux.

The tater crowd will always believe that Dayne is nothing but a bust and will never do anything in the NFL. That his penchant for being the stud-buffalo in college can't be done in the NFL.
Yeah, there is such a huge "tater crowd". I think you mistake people who thought Bell was better than Q for people who are Tatum homers.

Most of us want the best guy for the job, regardless of who that may be. But many of us get tired of having somebody's favorite player rammed down our throats, especially when he hasn't proven anything yet.

I would think that you, of all people, would appreciate that.


I for one think I'll let Mikey and Bobby make these decisions, as if they care what the fans think anyway.
Of course they don't care what the fans think. Does that mean we shouldn't discuss the Broncos? :confused:

[JRWIZ]

Ok JR then what is this statement below?



I call it personal bias.

I have read the camp reports from our fellow posters who are there and I haven't seen them slanting there reports one way or the other so props to them. I have also read the ones coming from the "offical" reports and to tell you the truth they are mirror images of each other.

Thanks for your input.

I still think that most folks will read the reports and glean what they wish from them.

Whether they are biased reports or not. If is hard to watch a practice or game without having a bias and watching a non favorite with a more critical eye.

BTW if you are not there how can you be certain that they are so factual.

Although the reports I have cursory read , seem to have a difference of opinion on them as it is.

Perhaps it is the angle that they are seeing the play from. ;)

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

Is the season here yet? :ugh:

3 days............. :D

[TXBRONC]

Thanks for your input.

You're welcome, I do it with love. :D

I still think that most folks will read the reports and glean what they wish from them.

Whether they are biased reports or not. If is hard to watch a practice or game without having a bias and watching a non favorite with a more critical eye.

BTW if you are not there how can you be certain that they are so factual.
Although the reports I have cursory read , seem to have a difference of opinion on them as it is.

Of coarse you do because you tend to have your set of bias. As I said before from what I have read in the reports from our fans and the "offical" reports I don't agree with that there has been much difference. Because those are actually laying an eyeball on the situation and there reports jive with offical reports I no reason cast doubt on what they see.

Perhaps it is the angle that they are seeing the play from. ;)

Yeah and its still a 1000 times better than the angle that you or I cam see the play from.

[vicious2500]

dahhhh of course im a dayne fan,,,,,dayne had 3 atts for 28 yds,,,then tatum comes in and has 3 atts for 7 yds and a fumble,,,,i want the broncos to win,i want dayne to have a great season,i want tatum to have a great season,,,,maybe ,just maybe,im an ideal fan ie: " having a fav player yet wants all players to do well "
you know what assuming will do,need i say more ,go broncos !!!! :D

You do know that Dayne ran against the 2nd team defense right?

[The Hamburgler]

3 days............. :D

The first preseason game is on sunday :eek: . I thought it was next sunday. Will it be on National TV?

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

The first preseason game is on sunday :eek: . I thought it was next sunday. Will it be on National TV?

Yeah, NBC's first broadcast of the season :rockon:

[The Hamburgler]

Yeah, NBC's first broadcast of the season :rockon:

Sweet. I'll be watching that 4 sure. I want to see the raiders be killed. :D

[JRWIZ]

Yeah, there is such a huge "tater crowd". I think you mistake people who thought Bell was better than Q for people who are Tatum homers.

Most of us want the best guy for the job, regardless of who that may be. But many of us get tired of having somebody's favorite player rammed down our throats, especially when he hasn't proven anything yet.

I would think that you, of all people, would appreciate that.



Of course they don't care what the fans think. Does that mean we shouldn't discuss the Broncos? :confused:


Most do.

But that "he can take it to the house" mantra weakens their case. As If I remember my old coaches saying that if we all do our jobs in blocking each and every play they designed or had in our playbook was designed to "take it to the house". But we all know that blocking and tackling are not always that good.

And we also know that while tater did have a few really good plays, so did MA who was not a burner, he just came in and did his job play after play after play. Same for TD and quite frankly most other RBs that have been successful in the league.

Discuss all you want just do not be surprised in the outcome.

[LDB]

Thanks for your input.

I still think that most folks will read the reports and glean what they wish from them.

Whether they are biased reports or not. If is hard to watch a practice or game without having a bias and watching a non favorite with a more critical eye.

BTW if you are not there how can you be certain that they are so factual.

Although the reports I have cursory read , seem to have a difference of opinion on them as it is.

Perhaps it is the angle that they are seeing the play from. ;)

Do you think that it is somehow different when a reporter writes an article? They have slants and angles too. In a lot of cases I will take an educated fans word over a so-called "expert" any day.

[Jaws]

Do you think that it is somehow different when a reporter writes an article? They have slants and angles too. In a lot of cases I will take an educated fans word over a so-called "expert" any day.

True enough. DidnI think one of those so called "experts" wrote some bogus report about Tatum early on during camp saying he'd had a fantastic day when in fact we all know that he was struggling in the first few days.

Apparently some of those experts are more likely to spend their day sitting in the media tent than actually watching what's going on.

Now whose going to have the most accurate report. The fan who watches every move or some half-interested media type?

[TXBRONC]

But that "he can take it to the house" mantra weakens their case. As If I remember my old coaches saying that if we all do our jobs in blocking each and every play they designed or had in our playbook was designed to "take it to the house". But we all know that blocking and tackling are not always that good.

I don't see how it weakens their case. Especially in light of next comment. My old coach said the samething to me as well. But the key is having a player with ability to make it happen. MA carried the ball 239 times for us last season running the same plays that Bell did but he didn't the same kind of runs Bell. He was steady to be sure and could move the chains could do what Bell did. Is the last sentence in this paragraph suppose somehow discredit any or all of Bell's long runs?

And we also know that while tater did have a few really good plays, so did MA who was not a burner, he just came in and did his job play after play after play. Same for TD and quite frankly most other RBs that have been successful in the league.


Bell lead the League in runs of twenty yards or more, so that is more than just a few. MA had few but not nearly as many as Bell.

Discuss all you want just do not be surprised in the outcome.

We will thanks.

[JRWIZ]

Do you think that it is somehow different when a reporter writes an article? They have slants and angles too. In a lot of cases I will take an educated fans word over a so-called "expert" any day.

Let me try this again. I'm having bronco web site problems.

I'll take most professional opinions over fans most of the time.

While I really do appreciate the time and effort they put into the reports .

The truth is most PROS have access to info that the fans do not. They have the coaches ear and frankly the vast majority of them try real hard to weed out the bias in their reporting.

If they don't they are looking for a job.

Unless of course your williamson @ the post who must have dirty pictures of the editor's infidelities or something.

[JRWIZ]

I don't see how it weakens their case. Especially in light of next comment. My old coach said the samething to me as well. But the key is having a player with ability to make it happen. MA carried the ball 239 times for us last season running the same plays that Bell did but he didn't the same kind of runs Bell. He was steady to be sure and could move the chains could do what Bell did. Is the last sentence in this paragraph suppose somehow discredit any or all of Bell's long runs?



Bell lead the League in runs of twenty yards or more, so that is more than just a few. MA had few but not nearly as many as Bell.



We will thanks.


Once again your bias is showing.

Your reading more into my commnet thatn what was intended.

Or Perhaps I worded it wrong.

"But we all know that blocking and tackling are not always that good" meaning that blocking breaks down and tackles are missed. So even if the plays as designed well, they do not always work.

[TXBRONC]

Once again your bias is showing.

Your reading more into my commnet thatn what was intended.

Or Perhaps I worded it wrong.

"But we all know that blocking and tackling are not always that good" meaning that blocking breaks down and tackles are missed. So even if the plays as designed well, they do not always work.


Its a question JR that's all.

[Dream]

For the record. . .

A) It's asinine for anyone to believe there is bias coming out of the Orange Mane reports. These guys have their favorite players, and will admit that, but they report what they see and how they see it. That's why there are three guys over there, who have reports that do differ and in many ways are similar. They're more educated than almost anyone on this site in regards to football and their opinions have validation. I won't bothering going into details, but it's just another stupid pot shot at people trying to ruin what good people do when calling out "bias" in reports.

B) Every back has been fumbling. I wish people would just ban these Ron Dayne fans who add nothing constructive to the site and consistently troll. If you actually read the camp reports. . . and the Dove Valley Dispatches on the website, you'll come to find all backs are fumbling, even Ron Dayne. By the way, I've heard a lot more about Ron Dayne struggling that Tatum Bell or Mike Bell, so anyone who actually tries to say Dayne is doing better than everyone else is full of crap.

[jhns]

OMG, they are all fumbling!!! I say we just cut all the running backs and go 5 wide all season!

[tnedator]

For the record. . .

A) It's asinine for anyone to believe there is bias coming out of the Orange Mane reports. These guys have their favorite players, and will admit that, but they report what they see and how they see it. That's why there are three guys over there, who have reports that do differ and in many ways are similar. They're more educated than almost anyone on this site in regards to football and their opinions have validation. I won't bothering going into details, but it's just another stupid pot shot at people trying to ruin what good people do when calling out "bias" in reports.

B) Every back has been fumbling. I wish people would just ban these Ron Dayne fans who add nothing constructive to the site and consistently troll. If you actually read the camp reports. . . and the Dove Valley Dispatches on the website, you'll come to find all backs are fumbling, even Ron Dayne. By the way, I've heard a lot more about Ron Dayne struggling that Tatum Bell or Mike Bell, so anyone who actually tries to say Dayne is doing better than everyone else is full of crap.

Reading their reports, it is hard to see if there is any real bias. Now, when you ask them a question, it is possible that they combine personal opinion and observations, but I don't see it in their reports. One day they will say Plummer is the sharpest, the next Jay. One day M. Bell and Dayne look good, but T. Bell doesn't, the next day both Bell's.

It seems to bounce around enough to make it hard for me to believe it is anything but honest observations.

[LDB]

Let me try this again. I'm having bronco web site problems.

I'll take most professional opinions over fans most of the time.

While I really do appreciate the time and effort they put into the reports .

The truth is most PROS have access to info that the fans do not. They have the coaches ear and frankly the vast majority of them try real hard to weed out the bias in their reporting.

If they don't they are looking for a job.

Unless of course your williamson @ the post who must have dirty pictures of the editor's infidelities or something.

What access do they have at practice that fans do not have? They see the same things as it happens on the field. Or do the professional writer's get to view closed to the public sessions? :confused:

I believe that fans are more dedicated to their teams than the average analyst does and will offer deeper insight than your average reporter. Besides, I watch ESPN, NFL Network, I read the Post...the so-called professionals don't impress me much. Just because they are professionals doesn't mean they are good at their job....see Salisbury.

Can you show me how these reports are biased? Can you show that they are erroneous? I see fair coverage. One day a player is reported as doing good, the next he is not so good. They report on all the players good or bad. Just because the reports don't say what you like doesn't make them wrong and that we should dismiss them.

[Bronco-Holic]

im worried if he doesnt stop the freaking fumbles !

Isn't the sole purpose of training camp to fix these types of things???

Aren't the majority of RBs rusty from the 6-7 month layoff????

Be patient and have faith.

[DAYNETRAYNE]

For the record. . .

A) It's asinine for anyone to believe there is bias coming out of the Orange Mane reports. These guys have their favorite players, and will admit that, but they report what they see and how they see it. That's why there are three guys over there, who have reports that do differ and in many ways are similar. They're more educated than almost anyone on this site in regards to football and their opinions have validation. I won't bothering going into details, but it's just another stupid pot shot at people trying to ruin what good people do when calling out "bias" in reports.

B) Every back has been fumbling. I wish people would just ban these Ron Dayne fans who add nothing constructive to the site and consistently troll. If you actually read the camp reports. . . and the Dove Valley Dispatches on the website, you'll come to find all backs are fumbling, even Ron Dayne. By the way, I've heard a lot more about Ron Dayne struggling that Tatum Bell or Mike Bell, so anyone who actually tries to say Dayne is doing better than everyone else is full of crap.

what there doing. All i know Shanny hasnt annouced no starter. Dayne and Tatum are running with the first team, With Dayne always Taking the 1st reps. Mike Bell is now the 3rd stringer, and cobbs is 4. Now untill i see these guys in live action(MBELL AND COBBS) Dayne and TBell, are the ones fighting for the top spot. MBELL can run for 200yrds in Practice and as long as a game isnt played, nothing will change the rotation. Now i know its been rookies to come in here and start, but i dont think MBell gets caries unless there's an injury or Dayne or Bell is just not producing at all. Thats just how CP got his break. Rb's were injured.

We'll see next Friday nite whose the best back. Dayne can struggle all he wants to in practice, thats what its for. He'll be more than ready when preseason games start. He's had excellent preseason the last 3yrs. Nothing should cahnge this year. May the best man win........

[TXBRONC]

For the record. . .

A) It's asinine for anyone to believe there is bias coming out of the Orange Mane reports. These guys have their favorite players, and will admit that, but they report what they see and how they see it. That's why there are three guys over there, who have reports that do differ and in many ways are similar. They're more educated than almost anyone on this site in regards to football and their opinions have validation. I won't bothering going into details, but it's just another stupid pot shot at people trying to ruin what good people do when calling out "bias" in reports.

B) Every back has been fumbling. I wish people would just ban these Ron Dayne fans who add nothing constructive to the site and consistently troll. If you actually read the camp reports. . . and the Dove Valley Dispatches on the website, you'll come to find all backs are fumbling, even Ron Dayne. By the way, I've heard a lot more about Ron Dayne struggling that Tatum Bell or Mike Bell, so anyone who actually tries to say Dayne is doing better than everyone else is full of crap.

Dream its frustrating I know but trolling is a bit too strong of a word to use. They wont be banned for having a myopic view as long as they follow the Code of Conduct.

[Dream]

What access do they have at practice that fans do not have? They see the same things as it happens on the field. Or do the professional writer's get to view closed to the public sessions?

They get media access to the training camps, which will allowed them to be in their smelly little tents if need be, and to be quite honest with you, the angles aren't that great coming from where they're at. I haven't been to Englewood first hand, but it seems like from the reports, the Orange Mane crew has been able to get some good angles on their reports. Obviously, it's not as good as the coaches, but it's been cited they've been close enough to get interaction from the teammates. John Lynch had even asked one of them who they were writing for, and he acknowledged the site and gave 'em back an, "Okay, cool!" Not to mention, in a lot of their reports -- they actually get a lot of what they wrote off of not only what they saw, but what the coaches have said as well.

Just because you write for the RMN or Post, doesn't mean that you're more credible than these guys. In fact, a lot of those guys don't even do the in-depth reporting that Kaylore, Mediator and Socal have gone great lengths to do for us Broncos fans. As I said earlier, I won't get into the specifics of credibility here, but these guys are more than just knowledgable fans. Their work is professional, anyway you slice it and is without BIAS.

The simple fact that anyone would even question these reports are beyond me. None of them every claimed to be professional, nor did they say their reports were the be-all-end-all in terms of assessment, if uncertain on things -- they've even mentioned that they didn't get a good enough view or angle to see the exacts of the play. However, I'm confident that they're doing a damn good job with the hand they've been dealt.

I for one, am currently working on getting my credentials for the NFL Draft and media pass so I can get access (press box) to two teams, (Denver and Minnesota) with the online magazine I write for. When I do get them, if I do get them, that wouldn't make me any more credible than these guys.

[jhns]

Didn't they say they got into the reporters section in one of the reports? If that is true then this argument just went off track for nothing.

[tnedator]

Didn't they say they got into the reporters section in one of the reports? If that is true then this argument just went off track for nothing.

Don't know if it was the reporters section, but I believe they got sideline passes so they could get in front of the biggest part of the crowd.

[JRWIZ]

What access do they have at practice that fans do not have? They see the same things as it happens on the field. Or do the professional writer's get to view closed to the public sessions? :confused:

I believe that fans are more dedicated to their teams than the average analyst does and will offer deeper insight than your average reporter. Besides, I watch ESPN, NFL Network, I read the Post...the so-called professionals don't impress me much. Just because they are professionals doesn't mean they are good at their job....see Salisbury.

Can you show me how these reports are biased? Can you show that they are erroneous? I see fair coverage. One day a player is reported as doing good, the next he is not so good. They report on all the players good or bad. Just because the reports don't say what you like doesn't make them wrong and that we should dismiss them.


Your telling me that they do not have the coaches ear and have insider info that the average fans does not.

While they are at the camp on the sideline just like the fans are they will have the edge.

I'm not necessarily talking about the national media talking heads that sit in the comfy studios but the guys that are out on the field doing the scut work.

I said that all fans have their favorites and thus a bias. If you don't think so, so be it. That is your privilege. Frankly I don't have a dog in this hunt so could really care less I was trying to settle things down between the two competing sidelines

Obviously it did not work. Have sent many PM's trying to get folks to moderate their positions. It worked for a while but has slipped somewhat since TC opened.

As far as I'm concerned who ever comes out the stud-buffalo works for me if any of them do.

I have repeatedly said I'm waiting for Mikey and Bobby to make the decision as our vote does not count anyway.

[daynewillreign]

Is it just coincidence that Daynewillreign has not been back to visit this thread since this post was entered?


actually,,,,,,, i have a life,,,,,,, mr. man child,,,,,, you need to grow up and read my second response in this thread,,,,,,, man grow up ,,,,,,,,

im very disapointed in you,,,,,, :confused:

[vicious2500]

what there doing. All i know Shanny hasnt annouced no starter. Dayne and Tatum are running with the first team, With Dayne always Taking the 1st reps. Mike Bell is now the 3rd stringer, and cobbs is 4. Now untill i see these guys in live action(MBELL AND COBBS) Dayne and TBell, are the ones fighting for the top spot. MBELL can run for 200yrds in Practice and as long as a game isnt played, nothing will change the rotation. Now i know its been rookies to come in here and start, but i dont think MBell gets caries unless there's an injury or Dayne or Bell is just not producing at all. Thats just how CP got his break. Rb's were injured.

We'll see next Friday nite whose the best back. Dayne can struggle all he wants to in practice, thats what its for. He'll be more than ready when preseason games start. He's had excellent preseason the last 3yrs. Nothing should cahnge this year. May the best man win........

Well with the way Mike Bell has been playing it might be a dual bell combo. Mike Bell 's been getting it done in the goalline drills and might just be getting those carries for 3rd and short.

[daynewillreign]

and its that " orange main " site that created that virus,,,,,,however tatum had a great 64 yd td run it was 2nd team offense against the 1 st team defense
great play tatum,but hold on to the ball !

[GIVEME6]

Thats true, I dont like fans that don't like the team just a player. There Nut riders,
It seems like hes trying to make Dayne sound like Terrell Davis or some Elte back.

If you're not rooting for Mike Bell to do well on this team, then excuse me....there MUST be something wrong with you. (Not YOU P-NUT33, people in general) He's been a fan of this team his whole life, and he's dreamed of the day he could put on the orange and blue for real. Instead of wearing a store bought Elway or Davis jersey like he used to do in school, he's wearing his very own TEAM ISSUED jersey with HIS name on the back. This is Mike Bell's dream come true, and you have to love that he's making the most out of it by really giving our vets a run for their money.

[TXBRONC]

and its that " orange main " site that created that virus,,,,,,however tatum had a great 64 yd td run it was 2nd team offense against the 1 st team defense
great play tatum,but hold on to the ball !


That not a called a fumble its called a pass deflection.

Javon Walker, Rod Smith and Ben Hamilton sat out practice. Walker was held out simply to give him a chance to rest after going through the first six days; Shanahan said there were no injury concerns with the five-year veteran. "We've been working the heck out of him," Shanahan said. Smith is day-to-day with a hamstring injury, while Hamilton wore a wrap around his knee but took in the entire practice as a spectator. Chris Myers took over as first-team left guard in his place.
Courtney Brown also sat out the morning practice; John Engleberger manned his slot on the first team.
An NFL officiating crew, led by referee Walt Anderson, observed and threw flags at the Thursday morning practice. They will remain at Dove Valley through Saturday. Anderson discussed some of the rules changes and points of emphasis for the coming year; we'll have a full story on those tweaks tonight.
The afore-mentioned Bell ripped off a 64-yard touchdown run during "move-the-ball" drills Thursday morning. Playing on the second team against the No. 1 defense, he took a handoff from Bradlee Van Pelt and countered his way into the open field, veering left as the line moved right. He outran the charge of safety Nick Ferguson and wasn't caught until former college teammate Darrent Williams dragged him down at the goal line, but it was too late to prevent the score.
Bell was also a part of a turnover, though, as a short pass from Jake Plummer skipped off his hands and into Al Wilson's; the All-Pro linebacker had nothing in front of him but open field and an easy score.

FYI Dayne has been having his problems holding onto the ball and from what I have seen or not seen not very receiver.

[Broncodomas]

Tatum is the MAN,U go out there and tell me u dont fumble,lol

[DAYNETRAYNE]

Well with the way Mike Bell has been playing it might be a dual bell combo. Mike Bell 's been getting it done in the goalline drills and might just be getting those carries for 3rd and short.

i dont care.untill its announced then we'll talk. But show me a running back that hasnt come into denver and hasnt impressed the coach(es). Remebmer who was the most impressive one in last year's camp :laugh:

[DAYNETRAYNE]

and its that " orange main " site that created that virus,,,,,,however tatum had a great 64 yd td run it was 2nd team offense against the 1 st team defense
great play tatum,but hold on to the ball !


YOU have the #1 answer......................But the run was so sweet, i'm glad TB broke out his TC shell. Its on now.

[The Hamburgler]

If you're not rooting for Mike Bell to do well on this team, then excuse me....there MUST be something wrong with you. (Not YOU P-NUT33, people in general) He's been a fan of this team his whole life, and he's dreamed of the day he could put on the orange and blue for real. Instead of wearing a store bought Elway or Davis jersey like he used to do in school, he's wearing his very own TEAM ISSUED jersey with HIS name on the back. This is Mike Bell's dream come true, and you have to love that he's making the most out of it by really giving our vets a run for their money.

You are dead on. This guy loves the broncos so we ought of give him every chance to produce. Knowing that he loves the broncos so much means he more than likely wont turn out to be like TO or Trevor Pryce or even Ashley Lelie. Let him produce this year by starting him if he is doing better than everyone else. For all we know, he could be ROTY. Wouldnt that be a slap in the face for the people who didnt take him in the draft.

[tnedator]

You are dead on. This guy loves the broncos so we ought of give him every chance to produce. Knowing that he loves the broncos so much means he more than likely wont turn out to be like TO or Trevor Pryce or even Ashley Lelie. Let him produce this year by starting him if he is doing better than everyone else. For all we know, he could be ROTY. Wouldnt that be a slap in the face for the people who didnt take him in the draft.

I wonder if it was someone other than M. Bell that 'loved the Broncos' if you would be so high on him.

I think the mods need to setup a 'Man Crush' forum for you, DT, Rein, Heisman and a few others that I am forgetting. That way threads like this one and the love threads could all be grouped together.

[SM19]

Considering Bell has never shown himself to be fumble-prone in real games, I wouldn't get too worried about a couple fumbles in training camp.

[WABronco]

Considering Bell has never shown himself to be fumble-prone in real games, I wouldn't get too worried about a couple fumbles in training camp.
Exactly.

I love the camp reports as much as everyone else, but they aren't the be all end all. For example, Dayne looked like crap last year too, but once he got some game action he produced and looked pretty good doing so.

[DAYNETRAYNE]

That not a called a fumble its called a pass deflection.

Javon Walker, Rod Smith and Ben Hamilton sat out practice. Walker was held out simply to give him a chance to rest after going through the first six days; Shanahan said there were no injury concerns with the five-year veteran. "We've been working the heck out of him," Shanahan said. Smith is day-to-day with a hamstring injury, while Hamilton wore a wrap around his knee but took in the entire practice as a spectator. Chris Myers took over as first-team left guard in his place.
Courtney Brown also sat out the morning practice; John Engleberger manned his slot on the first team.
An NFL officiating crew, led by referee Walt Anderson, observed and threw flags at the Thursday morning practice. They will remain at Dove Valley through Saturday. Anderson discussed some of the rules changes and points of emphasis for the coming year; we'll have a full story on those tweaks tonight.
The afore-mentioned Bell ripped off a 64-yard touchdown run during "move-the-ball" drills Thursday morning. Playing on the second team against the No. 1 defense, he took a handoff from Bradlee Van Pelt and countered his way into the open field, veering left as the line moved right. He outran the charge of safety Nick Ferguson and wasn't caught until former college teammate Darrent Williams dragged him down at the goal line, but it was too late to prevent the score.
Bell was also a part of a turnover, though, as a short pass from Jake Plummer skipped off his hands and into Al Wilson's; the All-Pro linebacker had nothing in front of him but open field and an easy score.

FYI Dayne has been having his problems holding onto the ball and from what I have seen or not seen not very receiver.


if u watched the highlights u can see that TBell and Cobbs got all the carries today. Most likley they were evaluating Dayne and MBell blocking, b/c you see them in on passing plays. Tommorow it'll be the opposite. you'll hear about MBell and dayne carring the ball.

[Javalon]

if u watched the highlights u can see that TBell and Cobbs got all the carries today. Most likley they were evaluating Dayne and MBell blocking, b/c you see them in on passing plays. Tommorow it'll be the opposite. you'll hear about MBell and dayne carring the ball.
Perhaps you didn't see Dayne in the highlights because he didn't have any; it isn't typical to feature mediocre or bad plays in those video clips. It's interesting how things can be interpreted to reflect what a person wants to believe.

I just read this little snippet from SoCalBronco (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1209528&postcount=10) from the afternoon practice:
I am sorry Hogan but Ron is struggling. He continues to run into the back of linemen. I think a big problem with him is that his change of direction isnt that good and as Khan has remarked a few times, his feet are a problem too. He is doing an okay job picking up the blitz though and he did have a couple decent carries. If he had some more burst, he would be more of a serious contender in this competition.

Now these people aren't coaches but they are seeing more than just highlights. They also see all the bad plays that aren't worthy of adding to a highlight reel.

Anyway, I'm not going to place too much importance on Dayne's overall disappointing training camp performance so far. Some players can pick it up in games. We'll just have to see how things go.

[GIVEME6]

You are dead on. This guy loves the broncos so we ought of give him every chance to produce. Knowing that he loves the broncos so much means he more than likely wont turn out to be like TO or Trevor Pryce or even Ashley Lelie. Let him produce this year by starting him if he is doing better than everyone else. For all we know, he could be ROTY. Wouldnt that be a slap in the face for the people who didnt take him in the draft.

I'm not saying he should be the starter based on what he's done so far, but I am saying that if you're gonna root for any of our RBs, it should be Mike Bell. Hell, people who didn't like the Rams is Warner's rookie season loved the guy because he was working at a grocery store one minute, and the next he was winning a SB. Whether or not you like Mike Bell, you gotta love his story.

[Heisman 99']

and its that " orange main " site that created that virus,,,,,,however tatum had a great 64 yd td run it was 2nd team offense against the 1 st team defense
great play tatum,but hold on to the ball !

makes you wonder. Does dancing in the backfeild and running into his own blockers really sound like Dayne. :confused: .........i knew those guys were throwin halfway Bogus articles. There mainly fans that know somebody that can get them a glimpse of the action. Some of its true, but the rest is just phony.

I'll keep my other sources. Thank you. :salute:

[Javalon]

makes you wonder. Does dancing in the backfeild and running into his own blockers really sound like Dayne. :confused: .........i knew those guys were throwin halfway Bogus articles. There mainly fans that know somebody that can get them a glimpse of the action. Some of its true, but the rest is just phony.

I'll keep my other sources. Thank you. :salute:
And if they were raving about Dayne, you and the other Dayne fans would be all over those reports as proof that Dayne is for real.

Selective screening. Whatever. We'll all start to see for ourselves in about a week. I hope they all do great.

[dontfeedthenerd]

makes you wonder. Does dancing in the backfeild and running into his own blockers really sound like Dayne. :confused: .........i knew those guys were throwin halfway Bogus articles. There mainly fans that know somebody that can get them a glimpse of the action. Some of its true, but the rest is just phony.

I'll keep my other sources. Thank you. :salute:


Considering Dayne couldn't crack the lineup with NY, yea it does sound like him.

These 3 guys have all come to the consensous that Dayne just isn't showing himself to be the dominant back you want him to be. They all talk about his lack of burst, lack of power and slow feet.

If it were one guy, fine, but all 3 drew the same conclusions.

Honestly, right now, I'm just happy that the 2 Bells are showing their stuff, that means we will have a running game regardless of whether or not Dayne can back up your talk.

[SM19]

Does dancing in the backfeild and running into his own blockers really sound like Dayne. :confused:

Yes. Dayne has often been criticized for not running tough and trying to go around defenders rather than through them.

[tnedator]

makes you wonder. Does dancing in the backfeild and running into his own blockers really sound like Dayne. :confused: .........i knew those guys were throwin halfway Bogus articles. There mainly fans that know somebody that can get them a glimpse of the action. Some of its true, but the rest is just phony.

I'll keep my other sources. Thank you. :salute:

It takes a lot of nerve to state that they are 'throwin halfway bonus articles' and that much of what they write is 'phony'.

You are making yourself look real bad right now, and you might want to consider that.

Also, if you haven't already done so, you might want to read ALL of there reports on ALL of the players they report on. Every day, the reports are different. One day they report Plummer has a good day, the next he didn't. The same with Scheffler, the Bells, Dayne, etc. If you read ALL of their posts on ALL of the players they are talking about, it is clear that they aren't playing favorites.

[vicious2500]

i dont care.untill its announced then we'll talk. But show me a running back that hasnt come into denver and hasnt impressed the coach(es). Remebmer who was the most impressive one in last year's camp :laugh:

Let me take a moment to think upon that. Last year the most impressive person in training camp was Mike Anderson coming back from a season ending injury. He also blew it up in training camp having the most yards amongst our 3 running backs at the time. Tatum Bell had the 2nd best training camp and was #2 on the depth chart going into the preseason and remained there amassing the 2nd most yards amongst our backs.

In last place during training camp was Ron Dayne who played against 3rd stringers and came up with the fewest yards amongst our top 3 running backs. So if this years training camp is any kind of indicator like last years was then Ron Dayne is in trouble.

[vicious2500]

if u watched the highlights u can see that TBell and Cobbs got all the carries today. Most likley they were evaluating Dayne and MBell blocking, b/c you see them in on passing plays. Tommorow it'll be the opposite. you'll hear about MBell and dayne carring the ball.

Or maybe Ron Dayne just isn't doing anything in camp to warrant being on the highlight reels. While the Bell's (Mike&Tatum) are making the most of their carries and making plays like your supposed to. Sometimes the most logical answer is actually the hardest one to chose for some people :duh:.

A person reported in another thread that just so happens to be about running backs that once again Ron Dayne had a lackluster day in camp. Showing the same indecisive signs he has been thus far in training camp here's a copy in paste so you can read it yourself.

Originally posted by "broncos4ever" in the "8/3 Camp Report from Orangemane" thread.

Actually I was also at both camps today, morning and afternoon.

Tatum actually was playing half with the second team and half with the first team. On many of the goal line drills in the middle of the field he was on first team and he pushed the pile very effectively. (They were in the middle of the field because in the last two days they have tore up the endzone area pretty affectively, so they blocked out some of the 40-40 area to have "red zone" plays and the referee's put their hand up if a touchdown was scored.

Dayne for the most part ran with the first team but did not have a great day today. He seemed a step or two slow because the defense on most plays tagged him most of the time in the backfield and he did not even get to the line of scrimmage in a lot of plays.

My prediction is that Mike Bell will be the third running back. He has a very quick burst coming out of a cut. It seems that he gets to full speed within 3 steps. He is very quick when running.

Tony S. is still having an impressive camp. Catches many different types of passes from different QB's. I saw three plays in a row that they went to Tony S. with different looks and he made all the catches.

Duane Carswell looks really good and is doing a good job on his blocking assignments.

Brandon Marshall actually dropped a pass today. By the most part he has been really consistent in his ability to catch the ball.

Nick Ferguson employed the crowd to Cheer for the defense this afternoon, but very few of us did because the offense is much more fun to cheer for.

The autograph line has new rules... You have to stay in the autograph line and not go to the practice. You cannot save spots for anyone. If you leave the auto graph line you lose your place in line. My 10 year old son chose the autograph line today and I chose the practice. George Foster and John Lynch signed today.

Here are some other tidbits, in the morning you stand in a line to get to the field and you could line up all the way out to the store. In the afternoon one just crowds as close to the spot where they open the ropes for the fan. Also if you are first in line, you will probably won't get a real good view from the hill bacause you are ushered all the way up front and moved along by the Customer Service people that they have there. It is better to be in the middle so you can get as close to the VIP section as possible. (The VIP section is on the 50 yard line, consisting of one 45 yard line to the other with the section roped off.)
In fact the worst job of training camp would be the Customer Service Person that has to continually tell people to move if they do not have a VIP sticker.

Some of the best close up photgraphs can be taken when the Broncos are doing exercises. They are not action shots but many, individual standing shots and then other pictures of training camp in general.

Second year we have had free Coldstone icecream in the morning sessisions.

[Medford Bronco]

Bell is the better back and proved more last season. I do not see all the infatuation with Dayne. I do not get it. It is just me.

Remember if Dayne does start I will root for him as I want what is best for Denver. I feel Bell is it. Just my humble opinon.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

I cant get over that Miami game when Bell couldnt smell the endzone :sick:

[tnedator]

I cant get over that Miami game when Bell couldnt smell the endzone :sick:

Based on the number of carries, TB smelled the endzone about as much as Anderson.

[smilin assasin]

Considering Bell has never shown himself to be fumble-prone in real games, I wouldn't get too worried about a couple fumbles in training camp.


The news concerned me because living in Oklahoma, I saw Tatum play a lot. And while he has done exceptionally well in the pros, he was a fumbling fool in college. Maybe not so much in quantity but at the worst possible times. That being said Griffin RARELY EVER fumbled in college...who knows. :confused: Better for all the backs to get it out of their system now.

[tnedator]

The news concerned me because living in Oklahoma, I saw Tatum play a lot. And while he has done exceptionally well in the pros, he was a fumbling fool in college. Maybe not so much in quantity but at the worst possible times. That being said Griffin RARELY EVER fumbled in college...who knows. :confused: Better for all the backs to get it out of their system now.

Portis had the same reputation coming out of college. He supposedly fumbled in bunches. His first year in the pros, he had a couple rough games, but then settled down.

[TXBRONC]

I cant get over that Miami game when Bell couldnt smell the endzone :sick:


I don't think the offense in general did good job that day.