Porn

[rascal]

This is not a thread to post links to porn or stuff like that, but rather discuss the effects of porn on our society.

In my opinion I think pornography is damaging to our society and the central building block of our country-the family. I read an article on the denver post that basically talked about this and I found it interesting, hence the reason for my post.

I would like to point out some results of study done by Dr. Jennings Bryant at University of Alabama. "The men in Bryant's studies who were exposed to more porn sought more extreme variations when given the choice, tended to have less severe recommendations for rape punishment, and showed less desire to have children while seeking more extramarital relationships, Bryant said. He added that he and his colleagues were "surprised" at the consistency of the responses."

What do you think?

[pikman]

I think that in a "free" society the evils will always be desired and accessible to those that want them. As for my opinion on the subject...(if anyone cares?) I think that no matter how much people complain and fight against it, it will always be there. Like many other subjects (violence on T.V., offensive books) that people either strongly favor or oppose, the solution as usual lies with the individual.

As a parent I am responsible for raising my children to be respectful, decent citizens. Therefore it is my job to ensure that they aren't watching things that I feel are offensive, degrading or that simply go against my principles. The old adage if you don't like what is on TV, shut it off or change the channel really does apply. The same can be said for our PC's, my son is allowed to use our computer, but I have installed the net-nanny and also have enabled password protect on sites that are deemed by me to be unsecure.

I also realize that at some point my kids are going to make decisions for themselves, all I can do is raise them as I see right, and hope they have enough common sense to do the right things.

[THE SHIELD]

Originally posted by rascal
This is not a thread to post links to porn or stuff like that, but rather discuss the effects of porn on our society.

In my opinion I think pornography is damaging to our society and the central building block of our country-the family. I read an article on the denver post that basically talked about this and I found it interesting, hence the reason for my post.

I would like to point out some results of study done by Dr. Jennings Bryant at University of Alabama. "The men in Bryant's studies who were exposed to more porn sought more extreme variations when given the choice, tended to have less severe recommendations for rape punishment, and showed less desire to have children while seeking more extramarital relationships, Bryant said. He added that he and his colleagues were "surprised" at the consistency of the responses."

What do you think?

I think Porn should be able to be legal and be right here. I don't read it, nor do I watch it, I think its ridiculous, I'd much rather have the real thing! However, I believe it is a right, a freedom of choice, I think the real problem with the U.S. Government is the idea that they can REGULATE everything!!! If this is the FREE COUNTRY, then a person should have a right to CHOOSE!

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by dhall26
I think Porn should be able to be legal and be right here. I don't read it, nor do I watch it, I think its ridiculous, I'd much rather have the real thing! However, I believe it is a right, a freedom of choice, I think the real problem with the U.S. Government is the idea that they can REGULATE everything!!! If this is the FREE COUNTRY, then a person should have a right to CHOOSE!

Speaking of the Government regulating everything. I heard this somewhere, not quite sure where. One of the northern states had a website that listed links to Canadian pharmacies. They did this because the Canadians are selling the same drugs as the U.S. but at a much more affordable price. The government didn't like this and kept them from posting the links. I can see where this harms the U.S. economy but there should be something done about it. You shouldn't just try and hide the fact that the U.S. citizens are taken advantage of by large corporations. Of course there are probably a lot of political contributions made by the large drug makers such as Pfizer. Why would our government want to help make drugs more affordable for the people? They won't fix this problem as long as they keep lining their pockets with the money handed to them by these large drug companies. Hell their shares of stock might go down. That's not good for them, but is it what's best for the people?

[pikman]

Originally posted by Nixhex78
Speaking of the Government regulating everything. I heard this somewhere, not quite sure where. One of the northern states had a website that listed links to Canadian pharmacies. They did this because the Canadians are selling the same drugs as the U.S. but at a much more affordable price. The government didn't like this and kept them from posting the links. I can see where this harms the U.S. economy but there should be something done about it. You shouldn't just try and hide the fact that the U.S. citizens are taken advantage of by large corporations. Of course there are probably a lot of political contributions made by the large drug makers such as Pfizer. Why would our government want to help make drugs more affordable for the people? They won't fix this problem as long as they keep lining their pockets with the money handed to them by these large drug companies. Hell their shares of stock might go down. That's not good for them, but is it what's best for the people?

Sad but true. i was working in a Canadian hospital near the Montana border a few years back. It amazed me at the number of American senior citizens who crossed the border and came there strictly to get their medicine.

[rascal]

Originally posted by Nixhex78
Speaking of the Government regulating everything. I heard this somewhere, not quite sure where. One of the northern states had a website that listed links to Canadian pharmacies. They did this because the Canadians are selling the same drugs as the U.S. but at a much more affordable price. The government didn't like this and kept them from posting the links. I can see where this harms the U.S. economy but there should be something done about it. You shouldn't just try and hide the fact that the U.S. citizens are taken advantage of by large corporations. Of course there are probably a lot of political contributions made by the large drug makers such as Pfizer. Why would our government want to help make drugs more affordable for the people? They won't fix this problem as long as they keep lining their pockets with the money handed to them by these large drug companies. Hell their shares of stock might go down. That's not good for them, but is it what's best for the people?

If you could find out where you found that I would be very interested. If you want to discuss utilitarianism and prescription drugs we will need to start two new threads as those are some hairy discussions.

[Mer]

There is far more blatant pornography. Sexual innuendos and nekkidity (net joke, sorry) once you make that jump over the pond. And their children do not have anything near the teenage pregnancy rate that we do here in the states.

Other cultures find no issue with topless women at the beach. Other cultures don't do the snickering that ours does at the thought of a 500 lb woman sunbathing naked.

What then is considered pornography? Two women kissing? Homophobia is rampant in our society. Actual intercourse? Have you seen "Monster's Ball" lately? Or is it only the really dirty nasty pornography that is to blame?

I dunno. Pornos don't appeal to me. But I can understand why they appeal to others.

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by rascal
If you could find out where you found that I would be very interested. If you want to discuss utilitarianism and prescription drugs we will need to start two new threads as those are some hairy discussions.

Here you go Rascal:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46923-2004Jan25.html

[Return of Lava]

i dont really like porn, but i know some people get a kick out of it. To be honest, im glad some people get some of that exposure to what they otherwise cannot get or wouldnt see. It's not fair to some people who just cant get any, so porn is their way of regulating themselves so they wont seem so desperate in public IMO. I still think they should get rid of it, it is dirty love.

[rascal]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
i dont really like porn, but i know some people get a kick out of it. To be honest, im glad some people get some of that exposure to what they otherwise cannot get or wouldnt see. It's not fair to some people who just cant get any, so porn is their way of regulating themselves so they wont seem so desperate in public IMO. I still think they should get rid of it, it is dirty love.

love and porn? Never thought I would here those two words in a sentence that wasn't a joke before. For those being technical, porn was implied by "it".

[rascal]

Originally posted by Mer
Other cultures don't do the snickering that ours does at the thought of a 500 lb woman sunbathing naked.

Not snickering, but rather puking.

[orangenblue420]

Well there is a huge difference between porn and nudity and that is where America differes from other countries.....Nudity can be art, nudity can be everyday, i.e. the beaches. etc.....Porn on the other hand can range from something that is somewhat acceptable to something no human being should ever lay their eyes on......

And that is where the problem lies.....when do you say enough is enough, how do you regulate how much you can show and what should be censored...and not to mention you are leaving the decisions of this regulation up to people who may not have OUR best interests at heart, but have their pocketbooks and re-elections to worry about......

Porn is just another thing that people can be addicted to that causes detrement to our society, yet is legal because some big lobbyists pay enough money to keep it that way......

P.S. On the canadian drug thing, there was an actual store here in my town that you could get your Rx's filled for half of what you would normally pay because the guy was getting them from Canada....they (the govt) shut his business down and now he is in a big fight.....

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by orangenblue420


P.S. On the canadian drug thing, there was an actual store here in my town that you could get your Rx's filled for half of what you would normally pay because the guy was getting them from Canada....they (the govt) shut his business down and now he is in a big fight.....

The F.D.A. is trying to say they can't confirm the safety of these drugs coming in from Canada. Do they really believe that or do they just own stock in Pfizer? I wonder!

[orangenblue420]

Originally posted by Nixhex78
The F.D.A. is trying to say they can't confirm the safety of these drugs coming in from Canada. Do they really believe that or do they just own stock in Pfizer? I wonder!

Yeah kind of like how the FDA confirmed the safety of phen phen and all the other drugs that were allowed into the market just to be pulled off a year later cause they were killing people, oh but wait.....MJ is soooooo bad for you, cant make that legal.....cant give people a discount on their drugs cause they're coming from another country (cause we all know how evil Canada really is, just sitting on top of us waiting to attack our citizens through bad rx drugs)

My god people when are we gonna wake up and smell the coffee, the govt doenst always know whats best for us, in fact, what makes it worse is that they do know but dont care, they just wanna make $$$ and get re-elected.

[pikman]

Originally posted by orangenblue420
(cause we all know how evil Canada really is, just sitting on top of us waiting to attack our citizens through bad rx drugs)


Damn you found us out OB! We already make enough off the US selling our prime grade ganja. Now with our prescription drug prices we've got you right where we want you.

[THE SHIELD]

Speaking of Porno, has anyone seen "Boogie Nights"? Great Film!

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by orangenblue420

My god people when are we gonna wake up and smell the coffee, the govt doenst always know whats best for us, in fact, what makes it worse is that they do know but dont care, they just wanna make $$$ and get re-elected.

This is pure gospel. Preach on sister, preach on!

[Jared]

My own personal opinion is that these types of things, whether naked pictures of women or men, simulated movie or Tv violence, or simulated drug usage and references, are not harmful in and of themselves. Pictures are just ink on paper, Tv and movies are make-believe. If an adult cannot discern that, then how can they function? Also, isn't it a PARENT'S responsibility to ensure that their kids are not exposed to stuff? A child should not be alone in a place where they can see pronography. I mean, the swimsuit issue of SI is one thing, but porn? Why are you taking your kids there? Why should that be the government's responsibility? If you don't like your kids seeing something, then know their friends and their friends families. Know where they are at all times. If something makes you feel uncomfortable about them, then OK. You don't have to justify your decision to anyone. No one will call you a bad parent for following your instinct on something.

I do believe that certain people are more likely to be negatvely influenced by these sorts of things than others, however, I personally believe that it is because of that person's individual pyschological make-up.

I personally do not find porn appealing, but I do not necessarily find it offensive (BTW, I assume we are not including pedophilia and beastiality, which I DO have a problem with, but are seperate catagories and discussions). I do find it extremely hilarious. All adult movies should be named "Fantasy things that will never happen to you with people you will never met". And I have a wife, and I want kids. Am I an exception to the norm? I mean, in college, sometimes you walk into your friends dorm room and BAM!, there it is on the VCR. So you leave or whatever, but you have still been exposed to it. I have been to bachelor parties where the groom to be wants to do the strip club thing, and sometimes those places play porn on the video monitors. I would not go there on my own, and yeah, I personally felt a little weird, but it didn't want to make me go out and exploit or rape a woman, or have an extra-marital affair. I think the people who do that would do it even if there was no porn, personally.

Ultimately, I would hate to see the legal authorties do anything more that they already do on a federal or state level. I have no problems with individual communities making laws that reflect their collective beliefs, by way of resolutions or town hall meetings. Ultimately, if I live in a town that has a law I feel infringes on my freedom to choose (i.e. a 'dry' town, or a town where you can't buy CD's wth warning labels on them), I can move to a nearby community without upsetting my life too much.

[rcsodak]

quote from BColon:

"There are those who say that porn degrades women. The obvious response is that I don't see IBM banging down Jenna Jameson's door with offers, so if that's what she chooses to do, why should I care? "

HUH?
Please explain, in your LIBERAL VOICE, how "porn degrades women" is a direct correllation to "IBM banging down Jenna Jameson's door with offers".

Guess this conservative can't understand how the two are entertwined......

[orangenblue420]

I agree with Jared such that someone has to be unstable or for the lack of a better word, touched, to committ those acts in the first place.....

But, porn, drugs, alcohol add fuel to the fire, so to speak. On the other hand that brings up the whole "restrict the masses to protect the few" issue.

To address bcollin.....I believe prostitution is illegal to help curb the spread of VD more than anything along the lines of morality...cant still figure out why pot is illegal and I dont believe porn is (its just regulated and in some areas illegal)

"Why is a ***** different than a womb?"
Maybe you should watch a porn.....LOL....Please I am JUST KIDDING.....IT WAS A JOKE!!!!

"We have the right to choose unless we're a man?"
Before I respond, please clear this question up and explain exactly what you mean, I dont think I understand what you are asking.


"There are those who say that porn degrades women."
Porn degrades us women who dont watch, like or particpate, not the women who do it....obviouly its their choice and if it is degrading to them they shouldnt do it. It degrades women in general for a couple of reasons.

1. It causes the men that watch a lot of it to categorize or genenalize women and think of them as objects and treat them as such.

2. It goes along with the general idea that women need to look a certain way to be attractive to men, thus making women feel inferior, thus causing them to alter and change their appearances via plastic surgery and other means.

"The obvious response is that I don't see IBM banging down Jenna Jameson's door with offers, so if that's what she chooses to do, why should I care?"
Well obviously you have seen some if you know a persons name that stars in them....LOL again with the kidding......
But I am going to have to say you are generalizing again. You are automatically assuming just because someone chose to be in porn they must not have a brain or the ability to do anything else. For you to assume that someone who stars in porn, regardless of the medium, couldnt get a job at IBM, is just plain wrong (again, if thats what you are really saying, I seem to misinterpret you alot, so I apologize in adavnce if I misunderstood what you were saying).

And a little bit of clearing up on the marriage thing, some people enter into the marriage with an addiction to porn that the other person didnt know about, so its a problem with the person with the addiction, not necessarily the spouse or the marriage (though once joined it becomes their problems). Porn is not usually a symptom, it is usually the disease, as with any addiction....

[Jared]

Originally posted by orangenblue420


1. It causes the men that watch a lot of it to categorize or genenalize women and think of them as objects and treat them as such.

2. It goes along with the general idea that women need to look a certain way to be attractive to men, thus making women feel inferior, thus causing them to alter and change their appearances via plastic surgery and other means.


Porn is not usually a symptom, it is usually the disease, as with any addiction....

I am going to have to disagrre with all of these statements.

1) If it could be proven that it "causes" anything, it probably would be illegal. You are making a statement fo fact with no research to back that up. Like I said, I have seen the stuff, and I have no overwhelming desire to objectify women as sex objects. Yes, I am sexually attracted to women, and I can see a woman and say "she's attractive" but that is a far cry from "objectifying" them. So I ask, are you saying that I am the exception to some rule? I would say no. Again, a man who only sees women as sex objects or objctifies them, probably is a sexist on some level anyway already. Some guys watch it because it does reinforce their beliefs. Others find it useful because they have trouble forming meaningful relationships with women. SO I agree that watching porn is a symptom of something else, not the cause of it.

2) I think that most women who do have a self image problem aren't listening to what their partners are saying. And quite franly, as a married man, I think I can say that a lot of us get tired of hearing our wives say how' fat ' they are and how they need to lose weight, even after we truthfully tell them that we think they look great. So I am not sure where that pressure come from, but I don''t think it is from men (not usually anyway). I think women try to impress other women at times. Al the fashion magazines have women-heavy staffs and editors, so who is the one promoting unrealistic views of women's beauty?
Porn is a fanatsy, not reality, and most normal people see it as that. If a woman and a man aren't communicating enough so that they understand that, then they do have deeper issues. and if it degreades women, what about gay porn, or women who enjoy watching? How do you explain those?

3) I think explained the symptom vs. cause thing already.


You are entitled to you opinion, but I respectfully disagree with it. I am not arguing the morality of porn, but I am arguing your reasons for why it is bad. I can think of three women I know, friends of mine, who have no porblems with pron and like to watch it on occasion. They are probably more comfortable with it than me. So I think your whole "degrades woman and causes men to objectufy" arguement needs to be tweaked.

I look forward to stimulating debate.

[orangenblue420]

Oh Jared I just like playing devils advocate, I dont see anything wrong with it. For the most part adults use it for pure entertainment, I was just pointing out some issues that people have with it....

I personally dont have any, I blame my distorted view of myself on my parents.......LOL, Im just kidding....

Hell if a guy dont like what I got, there is always someone out there who will, his loss as far as Im concerned :D


I disagree with your opinion on how womenview themselves though, take breast implants for example. When I was a teenager, the thought never even entered my mind, but teen girls (and yes I have spoken with several) actually want them at their age these days!!!!

The media, whether it be run by a male or female, objectivies beauty and not just women either......airbrushing, fake breast, etc, etc just goes along with societies image of the "perfect" woman, even though in all reality we all are pefect in our own way. Society, in general, does not promote that feeling though.


And in all honesty Jared you are not the normal man, you are actually what we women wish the "normal" man would be more like. You ARE an exception to the rule, so now that you know that your opinion cant count cause its not normal....LOL

EDIT: I made this post kinda fast so some of it is a little garbled....

Basically what i am trying to say about porn is it is usually not the cause for someones problems but can enhance or add to them....but like I say with MJ, or anything, its a problem when it becomes an addiction and starts to interfere with your life.

And the problem with our economical society is that they feed off of and take advantage of peoples addictions for their own profit (govt included)......

[palehorse]

This may really fly in the face of everything that has been presented here, but I say that it is wrong because it disrupts the Image of God. Bear in mind that (assuming you endorse the Eden Theory) marriage was provided as a picture of the God Head in the physical form. It came before all religion. Porn, and Prostitution disrupt that picture, therefore it disrupts the image of God.

Too preachy? I hope not, just an observation, and a different perspective.

[THE SHIELD]

OH PLEASE, WOULD YOU ALL JUST SHUTUP, AND LET ME WATCH MY RON JEREMY AND JENNY JACKSON FLICK "FROM HERE TO FRATERNITY"!!!!! IT'S AN IMAGE AWARD WINNER!

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by dhall26
OH PLEASE, WOULD YOU ALL JUST SHUTUP, AND LET ME WATCH MY RON JEREMY AND JENNY JACKSON FLICK "FROM HERE TO FRATERNITY"!!!!! IT'S AN IMAGE AWARD WINNER!

Quit joking dhall, we all know your watching Dawson's Crack! :D

[THE SHIELD]

Originally posted by Nixhex78
Quit joking dhall, we all know your watching Dawson's Crack! :D

Not anymore, I switched over to "Nothing But a G String" and after that I'm gonna watch "Love Lotion Number 9" and maybe later I'll stick in "Al Davis Presents: Oakland Whores with Attitude"

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by dhall26
Not anymore, I switched over to "Nothing But a G String" and after that I'm gonna watch "Love Lotion Number 9" and maybe later I'll stick in "Al Davis Presents: Oakland Whores with Attitude"

LMMFAO!:D What about "Amputees do it best" Staring the drummer from Def Leopard?

[orangenblue420]

Well I guess I didnt make my point clear, I dont think its the CAUSE for the way SOME men view women, I believe it enhances or adds to the view that ALREADY exists and has since the beginning of time. Dont get me wrong, in todays society, at least in the US, women havent had it any better, you get no complaints from me.

Wow, bcollin, sounds like you have had some fun with your ex's and their friends interferring in your relationships...

I, on the other hand, am like Jared in that I am not your average bear. I have two really close girlfriends and two really close guy friends and then most of my casual friends happen to be male. I think its because we have more in common. I dont like things most girls like, like gossiping and shopping and hair and nails etc.....I like football, baseball, NASCAR, hell sports in general, therefore I find it more enjoyable to hang around people who share the same interests and in my case those people happen to be men. (Lucky me :) ) I hold some of the same generalizations about women as men do and for the most part it pisses me off when women behave the way you and Jared described because it only adds validity to the generalization.

Hell, I'll be honest when I buy clothes I want to look good in them and it aint to attract women, that much I can tell you :D I will ask a womans opinion over a mans only because I think she would be more honest. Guys tend to tell you what you want to hear, ya know, esp. if they think it will score them some brownie points.

And I honestly believe, bcollin, that you have had some bad experiences with the women you have chosen to be with. Just a piece of unsolicited advice, cause I know how much you LOVE my advice, dont judge all women by your personal experiences. You may not, but I get this feeling that you do let it influence your opinion of us. I have not let my extremely bad experiences with the men I have been involved with jade me, it can make you hard-hearted.....but I will shut up now about that......

As far as prostitution being made illegal by wives, you are probably right, the wives who ended up with VD because their husband slept with a hooker.

[THE SHIELD]

Originally posted by Nixhex78
LMMFAO!:D What about "Amputees do it best" Staring the drummer from Def Leopard?

Nah, I'm not much into that! But I did hear the new Jennifer Lopez porno is coming out its called "Gigli: What I have To Do to Make a Blockbuster"

[Mer]

I'm a woman. Very girlie and feminine. I also like playing tackle football and paintball. I too have met Jenna. I also know the woman gets $30,000 basic fee for club appearances. As such is more then likely making more then she would at IBM. But I digress.

It goes against my nature to agree with Bcollin. ;) Just beacuse he's one of the few that are FUN to argue with. But his post was spot on. Everything about it. From beginning to end.

I think the women of our world that like to play the victim... And blame men for every injustice done to our kind degrade ME far more then porn ever will.

Porn. 2 people having sex. Doing things my neighbors are probably doing. OH NO! THE HUMANITY!

If it's not my daughter, or my husband. It's not my business and has no social impact on my life. If it has the power to damage a woman's self esteem, then her self esteem was already broken.

We can't keep blaming and punishing men the rest of eternity. Life is pretty fair right now.

[Return of Lava]

dirty love

[palehorse]

:rolleyes: apparently the sanctity of marriage isn't as important as our current president thinks it is.

[Mer]

Originally posted by palehorse
:rolleyes: apparently the sanctity of marriage isn't as important as our current president thinks it is.

To whom?

[Return of Lava]

its not fair to those who cant get any. they deserve some love too! women, why are yall so picky?













































Joke:D

[palehorse]

Originally posted by Mer
To whom?

To those who responded to my last post. oh wait, no one did. I didn't even get attacked for it (which is what I was preparing for) It seemed to go unnoticed.

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by orangenblue420
It degrades women in general for a couple of reasons.

1. It causes the men that watch a lot of it to categorize or genenalize women and think of them as objects and treat them as such.

2. It goes along with the general idea that women need to look a certain way to be attractive to men, thus making women feel inferior, thus causing them to alter and change their appearances via plastic surgery and other means. Let me come back to this.

1) LOL i agree with this one, but those who watch think women are like that anyway.

2) I think this goes to the guys, we all know those porno guys have a specified qualification that we wont say, but guys watching at home feel far worse about it than women IMO(not me of course;) ) but, i guess i dont know what its like to be a woman and watch another woman

[Mer]

Originally posted by palehorse
To those who responded to my last post. oh wait, no one did. I didn't even get attacked for it (which is what I was preparing for) It seemed to go unnoticed.

When you bring the matter of faith and religion into it, it's hard to debate. :)

You believe what you believe. I certainly respect that.

But it leaves those that do not hold the same beliefs with little ground to argue with you. I mean.. How do you argue faith?

[palehorse]

I didn't realize it as a faith issue. I was looking at it historically.

[Mer]

Originally posted by palehorse
I didn't realize it as a faith issue. I was looking at it historically.

My version of history doesn't involve God looking like Ron Jeremy.

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by palehorse
This may really fly in the face of everything that has been presented here, but I say that it is wrong because it disrupts the Image of God. Bear in mind that (assuming you endorse the Eden Theory) marriage was provided as a picture of the God Head in the physical form. It came before all religion. Porn, and Prostitution disrupt that picture, therefore it disrupts the image of God.


Hi everyone:D I had to go back to the beginning and read all the posts...very interesting!

Even though you all have very valid points and opinions ... I as a Christian have to go along with Palehorse. But.. I am not only a Christian I have a beautiful wife (who is an ex-stripper and liked to watch porn), Two boys 12 & 13 yrs old and 2 little girls.

My wife and I realized now after looking back over our lives and looking forward to what awaits our 4 children that there is such a deteriation of the moral and ethical fiber in our society do we really need to add to it. I mean really... someone said earlier in a post. It is a disease and an addiction it starts out with man on women, probably like what the next door neighbors are doing then it's bondage, then rape, then incest, then orgies and beastiality. It just keeps getting riskier and more bizzare because you get used to and bored with the old way.

God created the marrital bed as a wonderful and sacried place. Sex is supposed to be fun and exciting but with in the bonds of marriage between a man and a woman. If you keep it in this contest your wife always stay fun and interesting and with the influence of porn you are just asking to add conflicting variables that could result in break ups or divorces, thjen in my case you have 4 more children in the world that come from broken families.

Come on everyone lets get back to just "keeping it simple" Why can't we get back to a country that Loves God , His family and the USA!

Just my opinion:p

[broncos_chick]

Originally posted by mtmanshaefer
Come on everyone lets get back to just "keeping it simple" Why can't we get back to a country that Loves God , His family and the USA!


Why? Because many people are in love with every form of vice and corruption. They don't WANT to turn their backs on the destructive and embrace the positive.

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by broncos_chick
Why? Because many people are in love with every form of vice and corruption. They don't WANT to turn their backs on the destructive and embrace the positive. yeah that and cause GOD doesnt give you orgasms.

I agree though, we as a people are a disgrace to the creator.

[Mer]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
yeah that and cause GOD doesnt give you orgasms.

I agree though, we as a people are a disgrace to the creator.

Geez, if I felt that way I'd crawl under a rock right now. What a depressing way to view your existance.

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by Mer
Geez, if I felt that way I'd crawl under a rock right now. What a depressing way to view your existance. its the truth we dont even hardly try to please......i dont want to turn this around, but we humans are just doing our own thing the way we WANT and not the way we SHOULD. Thats the reason we even HAVE porn to begin with.

[Return of Lava]

^free will is a test and we are failing horribly right now.

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by broncos_chick
Why? Because many people are in love with every form of vice and corruption. They don't WANT to turn their backs on the destructive and embrace the positive.

Ya, Broncos_chick!

You got that right. You know the old saying and I have found it true..."You reap what you so" which is my concern, as a country/culture or society if you will, we ar sowing som God awful garbage in this country and we are going to pay for it at some point in time. I really don't want to have to learn Chineese!

People will wish they had kept it simple and keep this country in the hands of God all mighty, when they are forced to bow down to the big fat Budha belly.:duh:

[Mer]

Originally posted by Return of Lava
its the truth we dont even hardly try to please......i dont want to turn this around, but we humans are just doing our own thing the way we WANT and not the way we SHOULD. Thats the reason we even HAVE porn to begin with.

Again a religious debate. I can't argue with the notion that God says something is supposed to be a certain way. Having never talked to the Gentleman.

Porn has been around since long before Christ's sacrifice. So by your logic we have never done things the way we "should". As such are naughty little children awaiting the day our Father sits us in a corner and punishes us.

I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for change.

Nor would I wish to live my life in perpetual consequence.

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by Mer
Again a religious debate. I can't argue with the notion that God says something is supposed to be a certain way. Having never talked to the Gentleman.

Porn has been around since long before Christ's sacrifice. So by your logic we have never done things the way we "should". As such are naughty little children awaiting the day our Father sits us in a corner and punishes us.

I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for change.

Nor would I wish to live my life in perpetual consequence. not so much "punish" as it is "hoping for mercy when the time comes" if porn has been around since beginning, then you are right, we have never done things the way we should(according to the bible of course), but thats goes to adam and eve right? anyway i will stop now.

[Mer]

My girlfriends and I were debating on my forums the idea of the SIns of Eve. In such we women pay for Eve's sin through the pain of childbirth. For all time. We came across a chick talking about the subject, and I wish I could give credit to the author... But I dont know where it came from.

It always sounded to me like He was trying to get us to rebel. He certainly harped on it enough. Almost as if He needed us to screw it up. So He'd have the hammer. I've heard and read philosophers and theologians say that the first act of humanity, of humans being human, was the eating of the apple. That that one act of defiance is what made us what we are. Until we ate it, we were simply a smarter, slightly less hairy beast. We defined humanity by rebellion, by a screw-up. By breaking the law of God, we made ourselves. Their moments of weakness gave us the strength we posess. When they decided to break His rules, they gave Him the hammer though. And the church inherited it. So now they have the hammer.

[palehorse]

Both sinned equally, but that digresses from the immorality of Porn. Marriage is the physical representation of the God-Head. every time was engage in an activity that is contrary to the oneness that is formed through a physical relationship, we effective separate ourselves from the image of God. Porn, whether virtual or real is a constant separation we engage in causing us to move further from understanding Him.

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Originally posted by Mer
Geez, if I felt that way I'd crawl under a rock right now. What a depressing way to view your existance.
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With respect to Dantes Inferno:

Above the door to hell reads a sigh: Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. No hope is indeed depressing.

I'm reminded of the movie Se7en for some reason right now.

[palehorse]

Originally posted by bcollin1
Mer, tell your friend it might be better to quote philosophers on this issue AFTER they have taken a firm stance on whether God actually EXISTS or not...that is of course, if humans truly exist either.

It seems to me that people here are far too willing to define what relationships should be like and what requirements they have to meet to be "real."

I know one thing:
My relationship with whatever entity God actually is is between Him and me.
My relationship with my wife - if I'm ever so lucky - will be between her and me (inasmuch as it falls within the law, of course).

That being said, I don't see how any of you would want anything different, and thus, I don't see how any of you could make comments on what it should be and shouldn't be for anyone else.

When someone's relationship with God or their spouse has something to do with you, THEN you can have a voice on what is and what is not right for their relationship.

That reads a bit rough. I didn't see that mer was dissing you, only that she was trying to separate faith, from history; pertaing to an earlier comment of mine.

[palehorse]

I have been known to that that from time to time, and that is not my intention. It's just that I view things that I study, (say religion or philosophy) differently.

"if I have offended you, I am sorry"
(Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom)

[Jared]

Originally posted by orangenblue420

I disagree with your opinion on how womenview themselves though, take breast implants for example. When I was a teenager, the thought never even entered my mind, but teen girls (and yes I have spoken with several) actually want them at their age these days!!!!

The media, whether it be run by a male or female, objectivies beauty and not just women either......airbrushing, fake breast, etc, etc just goes along with societies image of the "perfect" woman, even though in all reality we all are pefect in our own way. Society, in general, does not promote that feeling though.


And in all honesty Jared you are not the normal man, you are actually what we women wish the "normal" man would be more like. You ARE an exception to the rule, so now that you know that your opinion cant count cause its not normal....LOL



While I realize your barb at me about not being normal was meant in jest, I actually think it shows just how far the gender's perception of each other is. I am quite a normal, honest, emotional stable, perhaps a bit reserved guy. And I don't feel that I am weirdo when I am with my male friends or any groups of males. I AM the norm. I wonder why women tend to believe otherwise? That is a whole other discussion.


As for the 'media', I'll give you that, but as an experiment, next time you are at a newsstand or whatever, look at the covers of the fashion mags (Vogue, Elle, etc...all with women editors) and look at the covers of the 'male' magzines (Maxin, Stuff, etc, all male editors...) tell me which ones have women with more curves and a healthier, more athletic looking body? You'd be surprised. Bcollin's point is valid here. Men try to impress women. Women try to impress....other women! Like you said, you feel that woman will be more honest, because a guy could be trying to get in your pants (probably true in some instances, but its almost sad that a woman would believe it to be true as a rule, instead of a slimy exception).


Oh, and I think there was a poll here long ago that asked the guys whether we preferred real or implanted breasts, and the responses was overwhelmingly in favor of 'real'. Again, that is incongruent with what you say about men holding up that ideal.

[Jared]

Originally posted by palehorse
To those who responded to my last post. oh wait, no one did. I didn't even get attacked for it (which is what I was preparing for) It seemed to go unnoticed.

No one responded because the question wasn't about its morality, it was about the effects on our society. You see them as intertwined, but I don't think anyone in this discussion is holding up porn as having positive moral values. We are discussing what kind of effects it has, if any, regardless of moral or immoral value.

Maybe I misinterpreted the original post.

And you wouldn't get attacked for espousing a specific religious belief. Not as long as I am a moderator.

[Jared]

Originally posted by orangenblue420


I, on the other hand, am like Jared in that I am not your average bear.

EDIT

Hell, I'll be honest when I buy clothes I want to look good in them and it aint to attract women, that much I can tell you :D I will ask a womans opinion over a mans only because I think she would be more honest. Guys tend to tell you what you want to hear, ya know, esp. if they think it will score them some brownie points.




I believe I am the average bear. Really.

This second paragraph is sort of contradictory to what you typed in the first paragraph (which I edited). And its related only because it shows relevance of the point of our main topic by gender. On one hand you say you act more like a guy and have more in common with a man, yet then you admit to behaving in a typical female manner (whch is fine). The only problem I have with it is that that behavior stereotypes men in a way, that is unfair. So, already, I see that if you believe certain sterrotypes about men to be true, it makes it difficult for you to see that not all men who have been exposed to porn (willingly or accidentally) are exploitative, or sexist. Perhaps it reinforces some idea of what you think men's typical behavior is? My point being (again) that your argument has some flaws in it. I am hoping you don't take it personally. Men don't reinforce an unrealistic ideal of what a women should be. Neither does porn. There are very few men who would look at a woman like the aforementioned Miss Jameson and say "that is the the kind of lifemate I want" She is a reasonably attractive woman (I have seen her on E!), but not wife material. Most men see porn, regardless of their neutrality and/or opposition to it, as a fantasy. And a poorly acted out one at that.

Even if none of this were true, I think this is wandering off topic. In terms of society, a consenting adult should be able to watch whatever he or she wants within the constraints of the law, as long as their children are not exposed to it before they are mature enough to have a serious discussion about what they may have accidentally seen or read. If you have children, I say keep it out of your house and go to a hotel room on a date with your partner. Get a babysitter and go have fun away from your kids as just a couple, not as a family. Its ok to do that every once in a while. And if you must have a porn movie present to watch, then at least there is no way your children can accidentally see the movie.

They key here is "consenting adults". No kids, no forcing someone to partake. Those are bad things, and are not healthy.

[orangenblue420]

Gosh Jared, I feel really bad now :( In NO way was I making a barb or jab at you, it was meant to be a compliment to you (and in hindsight a jab at men in general, I guess) but sheesh, its so hard to convey emotions when you are writing something online (tis why I like smilies and wish we could get more, it actually helps in letting people know what you are trying to say, hint hint to the admins....hehe)

As I believe you are most certainly NORMAL in the sense of the word, I really dont think you are the typical male, and yes it is based on my experience with them. You seem like a super sweet guy and all I was saying was I dont think that is the norm, dont get me wrong, I know some sweet guys but in all honesty I have known and do know more that are not like you.....thats why I feel you are an exception (not the only, of course).....and again I say this based on my experience (which is all I can base it on, right?)......

As far as the real or fake issue, I remember that thread and most men in there and the ones i have talked to prefer real when it comes to the bedroom but LOVE the look of the fake ones, I mean lets get real, most men love big boobs, if they dont have a preference they certainly wont argue against them. And its the magazines, media, that portray these unreal images of women, whether male or female edited, cause the covers are all touched up, air-brushed, etc. etc. And I dont think men in general reinforce the unrealistic image, I believe it is society in general, and more specifically American society.


Chris Rock had this great joke about men and women, it was something like: "Women get to have plutonic friends, men dont have plutonic friends they just have women they havent fu*%ed yet... "

I mean I know I am the first to hoot and holler when someone generalizes something or assumes someone is someway based on race, gender, religion, age of childbearing (LOL), etc. etc. but there wouldnt be stereotyping if people didnt fit into them. If for me to say that men like sports more than women is being stereotypical, so be it, but its true. I mean more and more women are becoming interested in sports but it has yet to become the norm. I blow away most men with the fact that I can keep up with them in a sports related conversation. For instance, the other night at work they had on an old AFC Championship game with Denver v Cleveland (The Fumble) ( was getting all sentimental and a little teary eyed watchin Johnny boy) and one of the waitresses made a comment to me about the game being on and how I must be excited to watch John play, and a guy sitting at the bar asked me if I liked Elway and I said hell yeah and Im a big Broncos fan. He then made some comment about how Elway was OK....well that was it.....I was like 'OK' "OK"
he is one of the best ever to play the game and I proceeded to throw in some stats, games etc etc and he was like "you do really like football dont ya"

I get that ALL the time, men assume women like it just so they can be with the guys and all we know is the fluff stuff when there are a lot of us these days that love it because we love it, period.

OK, I went off the tracks a bit myself, but sometimes stereotypes do apply but I just feel its wrong to automatically assume something about someone without knowing them first. Most of us already have an opinion forming in our head based on stereotypes but once we really get to know the person is when we should make comments to them or about them and their behaviors.

And I dont believe a person who watches form fits the stereotype of a woman hating, sex starved freak, in fact just the opposite. There is nothing wrong with it if it is done responsibly, as its been said, the problem is where do the regulators draw the line and for individuals it becomes the same issue, where do you draw the line, whne is enough enouggh or when is too much too much. Like anything that can be addictive, it will have a detremental effect on society.

Gosh, sorry this was so long, damnnnnn

[THE SHIELD]

Would you all quit with the essays, I can't read them while I'm sitting here watching my Porno with a Plot on "Cinemax" Man, this girls a cop and she arrests this guy and interrogates him, and she says "I want the Truth" and he replies "I'll show you the truth, but you can't handle it" and then he ------- and she says "Oh my, I can Handle It" Ooops, gotta go, this is the part where I.......................Hey who hid my lotion?

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by dhall26
Would you all quit with the essays, I can't read them while I'm sitting here watching my Porno with a Plot on "Cinemax" Man, this girls a cop and she arrests this guy and interrogates him, and she says "I want the Truth" and he replies "I'll show you the truth, but you can't handle it" and then he ------- and she says "Oh my, I can Handle It" Ooops, gotta go, this is the part where I.......................Hey who hid my lotion?

Don't you mean Skinemax?

[orangenblue420]

Originally posted by dhall26
Would you all quit with the essays, I can't read them while I'm sitting here watching my Porno with a Plot on "Cinemax" Man, this girls a cop and she arrests this guy and interrogates him, and she says "I want the Truth" and he replies "I'll show you the truth, but you can't handle it" and then he ------- and she says "Oh my, I can Handle It" Ooops, gotta go, this is the part where I.......................Hey who hid my lotion?

how many times are you gonna come to this thread before you realize we are talking about porn not POSTING it......LOL

but here is something for your viewing pleasure.....

[pikman]

Originally posted by bcollin1
We don't have to have a forest with a tricked out SUV to act like men, nor do we need heaping piles of beer stacked up in the fridge on Sundays for football games...

We don't? BTW Beer is not just for Sundays. Hockey is on every night.

[Mer]

Originally posted by bcollin1
We don't have to have a forest with a tricked out SUV to act like men, nor do we need heaping piles of beer stacked up in the fridge on Sundays for football games...but is there ANY bastion of safety where men are capable of just going to be men without the fear of women challenging for the right to do the same?

I fear that strip clubs may, in fact, be that last hope. Women seem to want everything else.

I think it all boils down to the individual male's frame of mind.

There aren't exact activities that my husband and I declare as male/female events. I help drive the 30 hours to go see Chiefs games. He holds my purse when I want to sift through lingerie.

But there are nights, when he goes off with the boys and does whatever the hell he wants. Whether it's shooting the side of a mountain with machine guns, playing basketball at the park, drinking at the bar, just sitting downstairs and playing SOCOM. You get the idea. I can, and DO (sometimes) these things with him. But I also know when it's supposed to be "guy time." And vis versa. That comes from knowing your partner and respecting his individuality.

Declaring certain activities to be exclusively "male" is a step backwards for everyone. Not just women. Women that can't let their men go off and play with the boys will have the same effect.

But I don't think my husband would have married me if I didn't enjoy football, or my AR-15.

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by Mer
I think it all boils down to the individual male's frame of mind.

There aren't exact activities that my husband and I declare as male/female events. I help drive the 30 hours to go see Chiefs games. He holds my purse when I want to sift through lingerie.

But there are nights, when he goes off with the boys and does whatever the hell he wants. Whether it's shooting the side of a mountain with machine guns, playing basketball at the park, drinking at the bar, just sitting downstairs and playing SOCOM. You get the idea. I can, and DO (sometimes) these things with him. But I also know when it's supposed to be "guy time." And vis versa. That comes from knowing your partner and respecting his individuality.

Declaring certain activities to be exclusively "male" is a step backwards for everyone. Not just women. Women that can't let their men go off and play with the boys will have the same effect.

But I don't think my husband would have married me if I didn't enjoy football, or my AR-15.

Mer, Your husband sounds like one lucky guy!

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by bcollin1
Okay, Bill McCartney...just a quick question here:

Which God?
I figure someone who speaks in tones of knowing what marriage is "supposed to be about" should be able to tell the rest of us which God we're supposed to love, right?

Putting limitations on your urges is the very definition of free will, and it is not a justification to say that because there are those who take things too far (i.e.: bestiality and incest) that porn is inherently wrong.

Hell, on that basis, food would be wrong and we'd all starve.

But I'll tell you one thing:
When Herman Edwards came out after 9/11 and said "If people want something to do on Sunday, they should go to church" when he was being interviewed on ESPN about whether or not games should go on, I wrote to several people and said that his comment was tantamount to the statement being made by the terrorists themselves.

That might seem a bit strong, but think about it:
The terrorists were making the statement that Western culture - particularly American culture - has derailed from THEIR ideas of ideal morality, and needed to pay the price. They thought that bombing was the way to get this message across, and Edwards thought it was better presented on ESPN.

In both cases, it is not their place to tell people how to spend ANY day, much less Sunday, as far as religion is concerned...nor is it yours to imply that there is one way that's morally right on how to love God.

If you and your wife have found a way that fulfills your needs, great. But to blatantly say that's the way it's "supposed to be" for everyone else is more pompous than even I'VE been accused of lately.

Oh, and for the record:
"In my opinion" is not a disclaimer.

I highly doubt that Hitler would have been forgiven if he would have prefaced his actions with "In my opinion..."

Hey Professor bcollin1:

You are the perfect example of the type of person I was talking about when I said keep it simple.

I have a couple of points you commented on last night and I will go in order of your post.

1."Which God?" There is only one God and he is written about in the book called the Bible, you probably have heard of it and probably have read it a little. Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

2. "to say that because there are those who take things too far (i.e.: bestiality and incest) that porn is inherently wrong.

Hell, on that basis, food would be wrong and we'd all starve."

YES, Porn is wrong and YES, even food is a sin if you eat to much. It is on of the SEVEN deadly sins, Gluttony.

3. Your comment on Herman Edwards Lost me.

If anything it validates my point that it is more important for Americans to flop their fat butts down on the couch and watch football or something, then it is to take a couple hours out of you week to thank their creator for all the many blessings we enjoy here in the good old USA. Which was founded by some simple people a couple hundred years ago who wanted to be able to worship the One and only God without persecution and if you look at our society in this present time who is getting persecuted again? CHRISTIANS, you can love Budha, Muhommad, any pagan god you want and it is Ok... BUT... don't mention God in classrooms, courts anywhere without someone trying to shot you down. Tell me Proffessor, who do you worship and how confident are you that you will have a life of any consequence after you die from this one???

4. "If you and your wife have found a way that fulfills your needs, great. But to blatantly say that's the way it's "supposed to be" for everyone else is more pompous than even I'VE been accused of lately.

Oh, and for the record:
"In my opinion" is not a disclaimer."

As far as the disclaimer? It was not meant to take anything away from my real thoughts on this matter. I know the truth and speak the truth and even if you won't say it or even let yourself believe it, you know down deep in your soul I am right. Some people think they are just to smart for their own good. The Pharisees thought that too.

Written with LOVE in my Heart:->

[Mer]

Nixhex, my husband would probably disagree with you. :P As we are currently fighting viciously about his squeezing out a stinky growler, in the bathroom where my unmentionables are drying.

And Bcollin... That spoils my plans of turning you into a Chiefs fan by gunpoint. :(

This thread can not end on everyone agreeing.

Chiefs are the best team in the history of the NFL! Never mind our Superbowl record. We just wanted to lay low for a few years. Lull you all into a false feeling of security before we pounce. Grrr.

[Mer]

Originally posted by mtmanshaefer
If anything it validates my point that it is more important for Americans to flop their fat butts down on the couch and watch football or something, then it is to take a couple hours out of you week to thank their creator for all the many blessings we enjoy here in the good old USA. Which was founded by some simple people a couple hundred years ago who wanted to be able to worship the One and only God without persecution and if you look at our society in this present time who is getting persecuted again? CHRISTIANS, you can love Budha, Muhommad, any pagan god you want and it is Ok... BUT... don't mention God in classrooms, courts anywhere without someone trying to shot you down. Tell me Proffessor, who do you worship and how confident are you that you will have a life of any consequence after you die from this one???

Mentioning God, and preaching God are 2 different things. As far as I know you can't expound on the gospel of Buddha either.

This country wasn't founded as a basis for Sunday School. It was founded on a basis of freedom. A country can not determine for you who you should have faith in. And if a country COULD do so, then it's not really faith. It's brainwashing.

A couple hundred years ago we wiped out the true founders of this continent, and brought them all sorts of wonderful diseases. I bet their God is pissed.

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by Mer
Nixhex, my husband would probably disagree with you. :P As we are currently fighting viciously about his squeezing out a stinky growler, in the bathroom where my unmentionables are drying.
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I bet he made Najeh Davenport proud! :D

I wouldn't piss off a woman who knows how to use an AR-15.

[Nixhex78]

Originally posted by bcollin1
I'm not saying that only men should play golf, but I AM saying that if they want to join a club that is just for men, then it should be okay, so long as golf itself is not exclusive.


Ah come on Cliff, we know what you really think about GOLF

G-entlemen
O-nly
L-adies
F-orbidden

Of course I'm just kidding! :D

[mtmanshaefer]

Mer:

You are right, I am getting off of my soap box. All is good! EXCEPT... Thanks for that image of your hubby and that mean growler funking up your undies.

[Mer]

Originally posted by mtmanshaefer
Mer:

You are right, I am getting off of my soap box. All is good! EXCEPT... Thanks for that image of your hubby and that mean growler funking up your undies.

Isn't that freaking gross?

I'm so irritated with him right now. :)

[palehorse]

Originally posted by Mer

But I don't think my husband would have married me if I didn't enjoy football, or my AR-15.

I wish my girl-friend had an AR-15 :D

[Jared]

Originally posted by palehorse
I wish my girl-friend had an AR-15 :D
I don't even know what an AR-15 is!

And ladies can play golf all they want. I hate that game.

[broncogirl16]

Porn is being accepted more and more as the years go on. Think about it, 60 years ago, porn really wasn't accepted in society. I applaud those of you who came to "preach"... I am here to do the same thing. And those of you who say you can prevent your children from seeing porn is completly unrealistic. Porn is literally everywhere!! At parties, at your child's friend house, Sooner or later, they will be exposed to porn, whether you know it or not. Porn is degrading, worthless, cheap, UNNECESARY, you name it. Some of your excuses, "The people who can't get anything should be able to look at porn" is completely stupid. Need I say more?? I may only be 16, but at least I KNOW what this world is coming too!

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by broncogirl16
Some of your excuses, "The people who can't get anything should be able to look at porn" is completely stupid. Need I say more?? I may only be 16, but at least I KNOW what this world is coming too! LOL, i feel you, a 16 year old trying to make it in the big board. actually, it was me who said that in your quote. i was saying that that was the main reason they have porn i wasnt saying that it was right or making an excuse for it. I think they shold get rid of it also, but i know perverts will still be thirsty for sex when it is gone and who knows where they will relieve thier appetite next? could turn into rapist. anyway i am not syaing it is right but i understand why it is being accepted in society.

if you promise to always post with this much passion, i think me and you will have a lot of fun here.

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by broncogirl16
I may only be 16, but at least I KNOW what this world is coming too!

God Bless you Broncogirl16;

Stand tall, tell'em all how ya really feel. Always be truthful with yourself and never minimize what is in your heart. I'm proud of you!!!

[Return of Lava]

Originally posted by bcollin1
Uh, just as a point of fact here:
You two are the "they" of the future.

At some point, you'll stop having to say "they" and start saying "we." ok ok, WE should get rid of it. i was actually talking about the people who film it and DO it, but we are the targets.

[Jared]

Originally posted by broncogirl16
Porn is being accepted more and more as the years go on. Think about it, 60 years ago, porn really wasn't accepted in society. I applaud those of you who came to "preach"... I am here to do the same thing. And those of you who say you can prevent your children from seeing porn is completly unrealistic. Porn is literally everywhere!! At parties, at your child's friend house, Sooner or later, they will be exposed to porn, whether you know it or not. Porn is degrading, worthless, cheap, UNNECESARY, you name it. Some of your excuses, "The people who can't get anything should be able to look at porn" is completely stupid. Need I say more?? I may only be 16, but at least I KNOW what this world is coming too!


Just playing devil's advocate:

Porn is degrading to whom? The women and men who choose to partake in it? The people who choose to purchase it?

And I still stand by my statment that is not unrealistic to prevent your children from being exposed to it. If you do not know where your kids are and what they are doing, then of COURSE they will be exposed to things that you don't approve of. I was not exposed to it until I was in college. I was 18. Parents can't really do anything then, just hope that everything they taught their children has stuck.

You clearly have very strong feelings on this subject, which is good. But saying that a parent "can't" do something is giving up before you even try. Its also insulting to every parent who is doing a fine job of raising their children.

[Orange&Blue]

Originally posted by mtmanshaefer
You got that right. You know the old saying and I have found it true..."You reap what you so" which is my concern, as a country/culture or society if you will, we ar sowing som God awful garbage in this country and we are going to pay for it at some point in time. I really don't want to have to learn Chineese!

People will wish they had kept it simple and keep this country in the hands of God all mighty, when they are forced to bow down to the big fat Budha belly.:duh:

Huh? Let me see if I've got this; our punishment is that China is going to take over the U.S.?

[Elway]

Well they took over this little shop around the corner and it makes the tastiest crab ragoon.... :p

[BlueDamsel]

I agree with you Jared...
I'm 23 and up until this past year I was never exposed to porn of any type. The only reason that I did get to watch one was because it was just funny...Alice & Wonderland the Musical Porn? I mean...c'mon! Other than that, I have lead a pretty "straight edge" life--I've never done drugs, I'm not addicted to porn, I don't really drink all *that* much, just socially, etc...

Yes, I was exposed to nudity, but that is a whole different subject. I spent 7 of my "formative" years over in Europe where the body is not looked at as being something to hide, necessarily.

I "blame" my sheltered life on my parents having ALWAYS been there & ALWAYS questioning things (no I'm not saying "blame" in the bitter way, I guess the better word would be credit). I was never allowed to go out with friends, unless my parents met them first & knew exactly where we were going, when I'd be home, etc. They showed up for every single event I had at school (cross country meets, band competitions, even my friend's baseball games, etc) to show support for me & any of my friends who's parents/family might not be able to make it. They were everybody else's surrogate parents. I watched some huge transformations occur in my friends & my sisters friends due to my parent's taking an interest in their lives.

Anyway, I guess part of this belongs in the "misbehaving children" thread, but I think that it's important in this conversation as well..

[BlueDamsel]

Also, on the whole God thing...WOAH! :fight:

First of all, I guess I should preface this by saying I was born & raised Roman Catholic. I am no longer "practicing" in religion, due to my questioning of religion & it's teachings. HOWEVER, one thing I remember having repeatedly told to me was to "Love thy neighbor as thyself"...This, to me, meant that no matter what someone believes, that is their personal thing--You can't hold your beliefs over another human. Who's to say that the Christian "God" is the only one? (or that there even is one?)

Secondly, I remember in history class learning about how this country was settled by a couple of secular groups because they were trying to ESCAPE the tyranny that was England, being ruled by church & state...If this country was founded on religious freedom, WHO are you to tell someone else that they can't believe in Islam, Judaism, Mormonism, Christian Scientology, be atheist or wiccan? There is such a thing as tolerance & I believe you need to be schooled in it.

Third, I don't believe for one second that God should have anything to do with this debate. This is a thread dedicated to arguing the issues on society that result from pornography, not necessarily why pornography is a result of issues in society. It seems to have turned into the latter, but I don't feel that a religious debate is what anybody was after.

Finally, I think that if we do turn it around to what has become of society & why it's causing more people to turn to pornography, I believe that it's more from the way the "family" is these days. In many situations, kids are "home alone" and/or do not have a mother AND a father. I'm not saying that those people are bad people or anything like that (/disclaimer) I'm saying that the unavailability of parents or even good solid role models has started a decline in the way that this country views everything.

Sorry to post such a long one, I had an even longer one typed up & the cookiemonster logged me out & ate my post...I just think it's absolutly ridiculous that you turned this into a religious debate in which you think that you are the superior person because you go to church...So what?!

[Orange&Blue]

Originally posted by rascal
... In my opinion I think pornography is damaging to our society and the central building block of our country-the family. I read an article on the denver post that basically talked about this and I found it interesting, hence the reason for my post.

I would like to point out some results of study done by Dr. Jennings Bryant at University of Alabama. "The men in Bryant's studies who were exposed to more porn sought more extreme variations when given the choice, tended to have less severe recommendations for rape punishment, and showed less desire to have children while seeking more extramarital relationships, Bryant said. He added that he and his colleagues were "surprised" at the consistency of the responses."

What do you think?

Rascal, that sounds like an interesting study. What work is that quote from? I tried searching the web for a little moment to see if I could find any of Dr. Bryant's reports on the subject but all I got back were websites of family values organizations that quoted him. I'd like to read the article for myself instead of relying on the websites, which are most likely biased .

[rascal]

Originally posted by Orange&Blue
Rascal, that sounds like an interesting study. What work is that quote from? I tried searching the web for a little moment to see if I could find any of Dr. Bryant's reports on the subject but all I got back were websites of family values organizations that quoted him. I'd like to read the article for myself instead of relying on the websites, which are most likely biased .

I actually read it from a denver post article. Here is the link....
www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1914904,00.html?search=filter

If that doesn't work go to Denver post, type in "porn" in their search engine and one of the options half way down is an article called "porn in the USA".

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by BeerGirl
Also, on the whole God thing...WOAH! :fight:

Sorry to post such a long one, I had an even longer one typed up & the cookiemonster logged me out & ate my post...I just think it's absolutly ridiculous that you turned this into a religious debate in which you think that you are the superior person because you go to church...So what?!

Why is it that Because I believe in one God you think I believe am superior? Unlike yourself who dosn't believe in anything. You are standing there pointing fingers at me and tellin me you are right and I am wrong. Who thinks who is superior? I am just telling my opinion. PORN in my opinion has everyting to do with my religion. It is a sin to lust after another woman, other than your wife.

[mtmanshaefer]

Originally posted by BeerGirl
Also, on the whole God thing...WOAH! :fight:

Who's to say that the Christian "God" is the only one? (or that there even is one?)



This another thing. Why can't I say that there is only one of anything, GOD or anything else. Like you said it is a free country (so far) isn't it? People in this society need to start standing up for something... I am so sick and tired of this politically correct Bull****. Stand up and be counted what do you really believe. Guit being so d**n weak!

[BlueDamsel]

Okay, when I was going on about religion, I was writing mostly in response to this post:

People will wish they had kept it simple and keep this country in the hands of God all mighty, when they are forced to bow down to the big fat Budha belly.

In which I felt like you took a "superior"/preachy tone. No, I probably should not have posted that last sentence, but I was letting my emotions take over my typing because I was truely offended that you would assume that everyone should believe in the same God as the one that you believe in (combined with the other post that you said There is only one God and he is written about in the book called the Bible, you probably have heard of it and probably have read it a little. Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.)

I did not, however, say that I was right & you are wrong...I was just saying that a) I don't believe this discussion has anything to do with religion, when it comes down to it, just society as a whole and b) That people don't all have to believe the same thing. If I came off as sounding like I was trying to tell you what to belive, then there must be some misunderstanding, and might have been partially due to the fact that I was having a bad day and the fact that I can't really show "attitude" on this thread.

[mtmanshaefer]

No Hard feelings BeerGirl. It's all good

[Orange&Blue]

I just read the article. I would love to read the details of the actual study, but I couldn't find it so I'll have to base what I say on the article only.

What is meant by "extreme variations?" Is that porn where the act of sex is graphically depicted or is that porn that involves rape and children? If porn exposure increases the desire to see the latter, then I have a problem with it. I also have a problem with increased sympathy for rapists too.

That "less desire to have children" is listed amongst, what I perceive to be, a negative list of effects loses me. I don't consider a lack of desire to have children as a part of social degradation.

As for cheating; while I think cheating on one's spouse is a really bastardly thing to do, I don't consider it a criminal offense as it is between consenting adults so I'd be hard pressed to be in favor of banning porn based on an increase in desire to cheat.

If porn got banned, I wouldn't be concerned for porn's sake. I would be concerned that it would set a precedent and the government would also start clamping down on other forms of enterainment.

Originally posted by rascal
I actually read it from a denver post article. Here is the link....
www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1914904,00.html?search=filter

If that doesn't work go to Denver post, type in "porn" in their search engine and one of the options half way down is an article called "porn in the USA".

[Nick]

I found this thread buried away and felt like bring this back...

I think this is very bad for relationships and think it effects your love life.

As far as your children watching this. If you raise your children right you should not have a issue but you can be the best parent and probably still have your kids looking this stuff up.

Specialy with the internet these days. You can type in a Http address and think it is for somthing and go to a porn site. Even miss spell a Http adress and go to a porn site. None the less on the search features.

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

I found this thread buried away and felt like bring this back...

I think this is very bad for relationships and think it effects your love life.

As far as your children watching this. If you raise your children right you should not have a issue but you can be the best parent and probably still have your kids looking this stuff up.

Specialy with the internet these days. You can type in a Http address and think it is for somthing and go to a porn site. Even miss spell a Http adress and go to a porn site. None the less on the search features.
I gaurantee you any kid that's had access to the internet (without blockers) has seen porn.

I mean EVERY kid.

Not just majority.

[Dream]

This is probably going to have to go to P and R. :(

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

This is probably going to have to go to P and R. :(
Porn. :smug:

[Nick]

This is probably going to have to go to P and R. :(

I agree it might and think if any one breaks COC... feel free to close mods. This could also be a huge step to see how a lot of posters handle a subject like this and allow more people to have involvment on some bigger topics :salute:

[Broncomania96]

We cant leave Nick alone by himself anymore, he has found a porn and fake breast thread in a matter of minutes

but keep it up :P

[j3phr3y]

I found this thread buried away and felt like bring this back...



Someone was searching the board for porn :P

[Broncomania96]

I found pie when i was looking for porn here

[NickTranOwnz]

Any man can just become friends with his hand...

[Cheesy]

I found pie when i was looking for porn here

this is what happens in the offseason here at Broncomania. You sir, need football.

[antiwup]

I think Porn should be able to be legal and be right here. I don't read it, nor do I watch it, I think its ridiculous, I'd much rather have the real thing! However, I believe it is a right, a freedom of choice, I think the real problem with the U.S. Government is the idea that they can REGULATE everything!!! If this is the FREE COUNTRY, then a person should have a right to CHOOSE!
its a free country to do the right thing. i dont think government has a right to stop free speech but it should be limited to an extent like damaging comments are wrong and should be limited, like saying that lets use an example don imus his comments where beyond the bounds of what is said as damaging so the way he said it should be banned. than you look at what those xm radio guys said about raping sec. of state rice and the first lady and the queen of england, that should be banned too because it is offensive and damaging. now to porn. it is not wrong why because the porn that is legal is consented to by both (or more) parties and because of that is should be legal. morally its wrong but the way it is done is legal and if you dont want to watch it than dont. yes there are some nasty things out there that are accessable by any one with a PC. i have seen some videos but who hasnt. the real thing is a billion times better. so to me its nothing to see so i dont watch it. but to the poor guy who just doesnt get any he should have something to enjoy late at night ( those poor bastards LMAO :laugh: )

[antiwup]

Porn is being accepted more and more as the years go on. Think about it, 60 years ago, porn really wasn't accepted in society. I applaud those of you who came to "preach"... I am here to do the same thing. And those of you who say you can prevent your children from seeing porn is completly unrealistic. Porn is literally everywhere!! At parties, at your child's friend house, Sooner or later, they will be exposed to porn, whether you know it or not. Porn is degrading, worthless, cheap, UNNECESARY, you name it. Some of your excuses, "The people who can't get anything should be able to look at porn" is completely stupid. Need I say more?? I may only be 16, but at least I KNOW what this world is coming too!
you know the world is going to end soon dont you!! i give it less than 50 years. any thing from a massive nuclear war, to plague, to an asteroid smacking us! we are a doomed species. your life time my life time we are the generation left on earth to watch it die!! so :beer: to every one and i will see you all on the flip side!!! :salute:

[SM19]

The Internet is for porn!

[tsiguy96]

im not going to bother reading most of the drivel, but for everyone who thinks they can control others lives by banning everything that offends them (porn, alcohol, anything)...IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO TELL ME OR ANYONE ELSE WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT DO IN MY OWN PERSONAL LIFE

seriously, why cant people just let others do what they want and stop trying to control them. dont like gay marriage? DONT GET ONE
dont like porn? DONT WATCH IT

its that simple, you pushing your values on others is not only a feeble attempt at being morally superior, but also to make you feel better about your pathetic existence.

[MileHighStud]

I think Porn should be able to be legal and be right here. I don't read it, nor do I watch it, I think its ridiculous, I'd much rather have the real thing! However, I believe it is a right, a freedom of choice, I think the real problem with the U.S. Government is the idea that they can REGULATE everything!!! If this is the FREE COUNTRY, then a person should have a right to CHOOSE!

CP to you. :rockon: :salute: