Who wants Micheal Turner??!!! (Merged)

[BroncoNation818]

I would love to see Turner in our backfield. He seems to be very fast and very strong.

he has averaged more than 6.0 yards per carry over the past three years. I think he would be a good starter. Not just a backup.

[RazR]

I hope the Broncos persue him big time. He would be a MONSTER and is exactly what the Broncos need.

[BroncoNation818]

I dont think the chargers would give him to a AFC west challanger though.

[underrated29]

i am not sold on him at all

i have said this in numerous threads, so insead of going in to all of it again, i will just say that his upside is good, but i am very very catious at the moment.

[WABronco]

Signing him to a sensible contract while not giving up anymore than a 3rd rounder would be a good move, IMO. If SD tenders him the first-round contract...then screw it. But, if he can be had for a 3rd round pick and a reasonable contract, why not?

He's shown some nice physical potential--he's big, powerful, extremely fast, young, and doesn't have much mileage on those legs . I don't see why we shouldn't kick those tires a bit if the opportunity presents itself.

This is a much more realistic scenario then, say.....drafting a back in the first round or trading for Cedric Benson.

[WABronco]

I dont think the chargers would give him to a AFC west challanger though.
I'm not completely sure, but if we better their tender offer and supply the required pick compensation...it doesn't matter what SD wants to do.

[Astrass]

SD trade LT to Denver and keep Turner...I'm sold.....lol

[BroncoNation818]

I just dont see any reason not to bring him in. Everytime he goes into the game in san diego he really gets tough yards. Shanny would have a field day with guy.

[AznBroncoFan]

I'd love to have him in the backfield. He's a Beast! I wonder what's the contract with Marion Barber in Dallas? I'd love to get him too if he's available. He's clearly the better back in dallas, but they're too dumb to not start him.

[BigBroncLove]

Signing him to a sensible contract while not giving up anymore than a 3rd rounder would be a good move, IMO. If SD tenders him the first-round contract...then screw it. But, if he can be had for a 3rd round pick and a reasonable contract, why not?

He's shown some nice physical potential--he's big, powerful, extremely fast, young, and doesn't have much mileage on those legs . I don't see why we shouldn't kick those tires a bit if the opportunity presents itself.

This is a much more realistic scenario then, say.....drafting a back in the first round or trading for Cedric Benson.

I agree completely. I really wouldnt want to give SD anything, but Turner seems worth the investment. I also wouldn't want to give up anything larger then a 3rd round pick, anything higher would be better spent else where... just my opinion.

[DawgFanatic]

I wouldn't mind trying him out in a browns uniform.

[BIG HOUSE]

does Lamont Jordan ring a bell? everything everyone is saying about turner they said about jordan to....look how that worked out for the raiders

[BigBroncLove]

does Lamont Jordan ring a bell? everything everyone is saying about turner they said about jordan to....look how that worked out for the raiders

Let's not compare apples to oranges, Turner and Jordan are two different players, and a great deal of Jordans problems come from poor blocking by his O-line....

I think Turner will be an excellent back in the NFL once he gets his chance....

[BIG HOUSE]

Let's not compare apples to oranges, Turner and Jordan are two different players, and a great deal of Jordans problems come from poor blocking by his O-line....

I think Turner will be an excellent back in the NFL once he gets his chance....

and our o-line is much better? incase you havent been watching our games...our o-line has been getting owned week in and week out

[BigBroncLove]

and our o-line is much better? incase you havent been watching our games...our o-line has been getting owned week in and week out

Are you kidding? our O-line is not nearly as terrible as Oaklands (look at how many sacks Oakland has given up this year), and our O-line does not get handled on our run zone-blocking schemes, we have given up a lot of stuff on the pass rush though. So yes, our O-line is much better then oaklands (especially when concerning the run), to compare the two is not only absurd but it's blasphemous as a Bronco fan....

[LoyalSoldier]

Let's not compare apples to oranges, Turner and Jordan are two different players, and a great deal of Jordans problems come from poor blocking by his O-line....

I think Turner will be an excellent back in the NFL once he gets his chance....

No it seems like Apples to Apples. He does bring up a good point about Jordan. Does it mean Turner will be the exact same? Maby, but they are related

[BigBroncLove]

No it seems like Apples to Apples. He does bring up a good point about Jordan. Does it mean Turner will be the exact same? Maby, but they are related

When someone takes someone else's career and applies it to another, in my opinion, that generally means they arn't looking at the actual player.

Turner is a better Power back then Jordan, has a little mroe speed, but his cuts are not nearly as fast.

Jordan also spent 4 years on a crappy team (the jets) and was excessively over hyped given his production with the Jets, struggling every year to make it over a 5.0 yrds averaged per carry. Turner has easily been over 5.0 yrds averaged per carry in his 3 years with the San Diego chargers, performing well in games when sometimes even LT couldn't run for much (look at SD vs Baltimore stats for this year). Now Jordan is on another terrible running team who has O-line issues after leaving a crappy O-line from the Jets. If we obtained Turner he would be going from a great running team to another power house running O-line.

The twos situation is completely different except for the fact that they are both hyped up #2 RB's. EVERYTHING else doesn't even come close to mirroring the other...

[22cannon]

I dont want him

[lancane]

He would be a waste of a draft pick Period!

I would rather see them waste two picks in the draft then one on Turner... :coffee:

[BigBroncLove]

He would be a waste of a draft pick Period!

I would rather see them waste two picks in the draft then one on Turner... :coffee:

:P I can see this point of view... but then I feel the same way about Kenny Irons :P

All that being said, I really don't like giving SD a pick for him.... I would prefer grabbing Marshawn Lynch personally....

EDIT: However, I still think Turner will be an exccellent back in the league... whoever grabs him will be lucky...

[Charlie Brown]

I wouldn't mind trying him out in a browns uniform.

Unlike you,

I would very much mind.

[WABronco]

does Lamont Jordan ring a bell? everything everyone is saying about turner they said about jordan to....look how that worked out for the raiders

LaMont Jordan is LaMont Jordan. And yes, look how that worked out for the Raiders...

and our o-line is much better? incase you havent been watching our games...our o-line has been getting owned week in and week out.

So, a decade of rushing success and tradition goes straight out the window on account of a few poor performances by an OL with, arguably, three or four ineffective (at times) players? Nice...

We have a system, and the system works. Years upon years of statistics and success would seem to support that.

No it seems like Apples to Apples. He does bring up a good point about Jordan. Does it mean Turner will be the exact same? Maby, but they are related.

Ok, so one RFA signing doesn't live up to the hype...that means that all RFA signing thereafter are to be seen in the same light? I don't think so.

[WABronco]

He would be a waste of a draft pick Period!

I would rather see them waste two picks in the draft then one on Turner... :coffee:
Please.

Care to provide a list of backs that would be available in 3rd round of this upcoming draft that possess the same size/speed ratios (as well as other strengths, such as a powerful lower-body, inside/outside running, and toughness) as well as proven, albeit part-time success in the NFL?

[underrated29]

Please.

Care to provide a list of backs that would be available in 3rd round of this upcoming draft that possess the same size/speed ratios (as well as other strengths, such as a powerful lower-body, inside/outside running, and toughness) as well as proven, albeit part-time success in the NFL?


prolly not, but i;m sure a good dt/dl/de or saftey could be there- those are some galring needs for us imo

i dont know tho what round was he drafted in?

[WABronco]

:P I can see this point of view... but then I feel the same way about Kenny Irons :P

All that being said, I really don't like giving SD a pick for him.... I would prefer grabbing Marshawn Lynch personally....

EDIT: However, I still think Turner will be an exccellent back in the league... whoever grabs him will be lucky...
Just purely from a draft standpoint, selecting Lynch would drastically take away from our other, more prying needs.

Trading for Turner (provided he is offered a third-round tender) would give us a young back with solid upside while allowing us to address our other needs with the proper picks (1st/2nd round).

DISCLAIMER--I am not attempting to create a bandwagon effect here...I simply think that using one of our two third round picks (if that's his tender) to acquire Turner's services would be a wise move given our other needs and the lack of impact backs outside of the upper first round.

[BigBroncLove]

Please.

Care to provide a list of backs that would be available in 3rd round of this upcoming draft that possess the same size/speed ratios (as well as other strengths, such as a powerful lower-body, inside/outside running, and toughness) as well as proven, albeit part-time success in the NFL?

Touche! I agree, as far as 3rd round picks go, and such a light group of RB's entering the draft, Turner would be far above anything else we could get. With all our other concerns with the D-Line/Depth at Safety/O-line using a 3rd round for an established power RB (which we are in desperate need of) who could also pan out to become a franchise capable RB would be well worth the investment....


Still I hate giving SD anything, especially since they are riding such a high wave at the moment...

[lancane]

Just purely from a draft standpoint, selecting Lynch would drastically take away from our other, more prying needs.

Trading for Turner (provided he is offered a third-round tender) would give us a young back with solid upside while allowing us to address our other needs with the proper picks (1st/2nd round).

How about two of them... Thomas Clayton (Kansas State) and Clifton Dawson (Harvard)...prefer Dawson though, damn what a beast...probably the 'Gem' of the running backs this year!

[BigBroncLove]

How about two of them... Thomas Clayton (Kansas State) and Clifton Dawson (Harvard)...prefer Dawson though, damn what a beast...probably the 'Gem' of the running backs this year!

I think Dawson is over rated. His competition as a Harvard player is sorely lacking, which I think accounts for why he has so many 1100+ yard seasons. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but as far as competition goes, Dawson certienly hasn't faced many teams that would come close to what he would face in the NFL.

However Clayton is a real threat. The man is huge, has speed, and looks to be a real runner. Seeing that he also did well agaisnt a great many top tier teams as far as collegiate games go, I think he will do well enough of the NFL.

Still if I had the choice of grabbing an unproven rookie in the 3rd round or grbabing Turner and giving up a 3rd round pick, I would go for Turner....

Here's a pic of the massive 6'0, 220 Clayton...

http://kstatefootball.com/players/graphics/clayton.jpg

[lancane]

I think Dawson is over rated. His competition as a Harvard player is sorely lacking, which I think accounts for why he has so many 1100+ yard seasons. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but as far as competition goes, Dawson certienly hasn't faced many teams that would come close to what he would face in the NFL.

However Clayton is a real threat. The man is huge, has speed, and looks to be a real runner. Seeing that he also did well agaisnt a great many top tier teams as far as collegiate games go, I think he will do well enough of the NFL.

Still if I had the choice of grabbing an unproven rookie in the 3rd round or grbabing Turner and giving up a 3rd round pick, I would go for Turner....

Here's a pick of the massive 6'0, 220 Clayton...

http://kstatefootball.com/players/graphics/clayton.jpg

Funny you say that, because the same was said about other backs that came to Denver...fact is that Dawson who measures up well to Clayton may be a beast, and do not judge that weak schedule or conference...or then maybe we should not have drafted Shannon Sharpe, Cutler or given Rod Smith a chance either...that argument is useless and has been disproven for years in the NFL!

[WABronco]

How about two of them... Thomas Clayton (Kansas State) and Clifton Dawson (Harvard)...prefer Dawson though, damn what a beast...probably the 'Gem' of the running backs this year!
Thomas Clayton has significant character concerns and has had two back-to-back disappointing years. Underachiever.

Dawson is a smallish back with significant level-of-competition concerns.

But hey, if you would rather spend one of our two thirds (or both, if you truly wish to "burn two picks" over trading for Turner) on backs who--at the present time--shouldn't be classified as first day prospects...be my guest.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but I'll go with the guy who has NFL experience and has produced when given the opportunity.

[JWinn]

I like Turner!

If he isnt too expensive, and we dont have to give up too much for him, yeah, sign him up! He looks like he'd be a great feature back.

[LoyalSoldier]

Ok, so one RFA signing doesn't live up to the hype...that means that all RFA signing thereafter are to be seen in the same light? I don't think so.

At the same time since one failed that means others are able to fail as well.

When someone takes someone else's career and applies it to another, in my opinion, that generally means they arn't looking at the actual player.

Turner is a better Power back then Jordan, has a little mroe speed, but his cuts are not nearly as fast.

Jordan also spent 4 years on a crappy team (the jets) and was excessively over hyped given his production with the Jets, struggling every year to make it over a 5.0 yrds averaged per carry. Turner has easily been over 5.0 yrds averaged per carry in his 3 years with the San Diego chargers, performing well in games when sometimes even LT couldn't run for much (look at SD vs Baltimore stats for this year). Now Jordan is on another terrible running team who has O-line issues after leaving a crappy O-line from the Jets. If we obtained Turner he would be going from a great running team to another power house running O-line.

The twos situation is completely different except for the fact that they are both hyped up #2 RB's. EVERYTHING else doesn't even come close to mirroring the other...

Wait a sec. You do know that many elite backs don't even have 5.0+? 5.0 with a ton of carries means you are throwing up such insane stats that it is head scratching. However 5.0 is easier to obtain with fewer attempts. AKA Tatum Bell's YPC.

Just look

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2006/regular

[BroncoNation818]

Micheal turner is a somewhat proven back. Picking him up for a 3rd round draft pick would be great! He has amazing power (did you see how he carried 3 kc guys on his back for one play) and good speed. He could be the power back and bell could be the speed back. Altough i Think turner has both qualities.

[lancane]

Thomas Clayton has significant character concerns and has had two back-to-back disappointing years. Underachiever.

Dawson is a smallish back with significant level-of-competition concerns.

But hey, if you would rather spend one of our two thirds (or both, if you truly wish to "burn two picks" over trading for Turner) on backs who--at the present time--shouldn't be classified as first day prospects...be my guest.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but I'll go with the guy who has NFL experience and has produced when given the opportunity.

Fine by me, it really is, the only one that is underrating those athletes is you because you have a man crush on Turner, the chances are slim to none for us getting Turner...Mike would be more willing to trade for Benson then Turner, that is my honest opinion.

[WABronco]

Funny you say that, because the same was said about other backs that came to Denver...fact is that Dawson who measures up well to Clayton may be a beast, and do not judge that weak schedule or conference...or then maybe we should not have drafted Shannon Sharpe, Cutler or given Rod Smith a chance either...that argument is useless and has been disproven for years in the NFL!

How many DIV II prospects, each year, can legitimately be ranked above their DIV I peers? A handful or so?

Shannon Sharpe and Rod Smith were complete surprises, and I think it's fair to say that there are only a few (at best) who have come from similar situations and succeeded at similar levels. Cutler played against excellent talent.

Correct me if I'm wrong (because I'm going off a rough list here) but since 2000, only Brandon Jacobs, Michael Turner, Adrian Peterson, Domonic Rhodes, and maybe Troy Hambrick can be called small-school successes as running backs. And only Rhodes has done anything significant over an entire season. BTW, anyone seen Nick Hartigan recently?

[BigBroncLove]

Funny you say that, because the same was said about other backs that came to Denver...fact is that Dawson who measures up well to Clayton may be a beast, and do not judge that weak schedule or conference...or then maybe we should not have drafted Shannon Sharpe, Cutler or given Rod Smith a chance either...that argument is useless and has been disproven for years in the NFL!

Disproven for years? really? Besides the few obvious players (R. Smith, TD to name a few broncos) please rattle off some of those people that have so thoroughly "disproven" this idea...

Wait a sec. You do know that many elite backs don't even have 5.0+? 5.0 with a ton of carries means you are throwing up such insane stats that it is head scratching. However 5.0 is easier to obtain with fewer attempts. AKA Tatum Bell's YPC.

Just look

I agree, yards averaged per carry doesn't tell the entire story for n RB, but that was an example why comparing Jordan and Turner is not comparing "apples to apples", infact it shows that their careers are quite unsimilar in a great many senses...

[BroncoNation818]

Just take a look at turner the next time he plays. His speed is amazing and so is his strength. I know its hard to praise a charger right now but he looks dam good.

[22cannon]

I don't think OU is a small time school

[tommy1986]

We should go after Turner. I highly doubt they will put the 1st-round tender on him. 3rd round pick sounds fair.

[WABronco]

Fine by me, it really is, the only one that is underrating those athletes is you because you have a man crush on Turner, the chances are slim to none for us getting Turner...Mike would be more willing to trade for Benson then Turner, that is my honest opinion.
Again...please.

If I had a "man-crush" why would I bother to throw in the "only if he's given the third round tender" qualifier?

...the chances are slim to none for us getting Turner...Mike would be more willing to trade for Benson then Turner, that is my honest opinion.

That statement is based off what? Bill Williamson or your sources that say Ben Hamilton is going to be traded this offseason?

It's very debateable to say that Chicago even has interest in trading Benson. Conventional wisdom says trade the older back and fulfill your investment in Benson. I'm using conventional wisdom because there hasn't been any indication that Chicago would be willing to make such a deal, other than baseless beat-writer speculation.

[WABronco]

I don't think OU is a small time school
I don't think the Adrian Peterson from Oklahoma has played in the NFL yet, has he?

[BroncoNation818]

Im sure turner would love the sound of starter for the Broncos and future superbowls instead of "the guy who goes in when LT is tired"

[lancane]

Again...please.

If I had a "man-crush" why would I bother to throw in the "only if he's given the third round tender" qualifier?



That statement is based off what? Bill Williamson or your sources that say Ben Hamilton is going to be traded this offseason?

It's very debateable to say that Chicago even has interest in trading Benson. Conventional wisdom says trade the older back and fulfill your investment in Benson. I'm using conventional wisdom because there hasn't been any indication that Chicago would be willing to make such a deal, other than baseless beat-writer speculation.

I really do not care what you think, and we can debate it to death...but Shanahan has yet to go after a big name back in Free Agency besides Dayne, and his name was the only thing big. Turner will have many teams interested, the Jets have already had a leak they were very interested. Believe what you want as I said, I credit your opinion to that as much as Sharpes' B.S., and you can try and be tactless all you want, I have many sources that tell me a lot of things, funny they were right about Cutler...and so was I. Not like I will lose sleep that you do not think others know more then yourself, nor that you believe many of us know next to nothing. I posted my opinion...you do not like it, leave it at that or debate that point.

[Bigplayshay84]

I WANT HIM!!!!!!.......

He is worth a first rounder and this is why...

- He young and has very low mileage, but he also has a 6.0 YPC.....SICK!
- Most importantly, He is a PROVEN NFL player...this couldn't be said about reggie bush coming out of college, but as you all know reggie turned out to be a god.

:coffee:

[str8jacket]

does Lamont Jordan ring a bell? everything everyone is saying about turner they said about jordan to....look how that worked out for the raiders
are you comparing The Raiders O-line to Denvers?

two TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCHEMES

Credibility from you=Nill

[str8jacket]

If we cant get Turner i would personally like to see Chris Brown here :heh:

[WABronco]

I really do not care what you think, and we can debate it to death...but Shanahan has yet to go after a big name back in Free Agency besides Dayne, and his name was the only thing big.

Jamal Lewis says "HI!" from Baltimore! (thankfully)

Turner will have many teams interested, the Jets have already had a leak they were very interested. Believe what you want as I said, I credit your opinion to that as much as Sharpes' B.S., and you can try and be tactless all you want, I have many sources that tell me a lot of things, funny they were right about Cutler...and so was I.

That Cutler part...was that before or after that big Denver Post article?

Not like I will lose sleep that you do not think others know more then yourself, nor that you believe many of us know next to nothing. I posted my opinion...you do not like it, leave it at that or debate that point.

Where do you get that indication?

Don't be so quick to discount yourself Lancane. You frequently throw your weight around--you say a lot of things. Don't cry a river when someone decides to give you a debate...

[BRONCOS_OWN_U16]

if we can get him for a fair price its worth a shot

we dont want to pay big money since he isnt 100% proven and has a high chance to be a flop

[broncoooholic]

Two reasons why Turner will never be a Bronco:

1. Money talks, but I don't think Turner would want to be a Bronco. It sounds like the Chargers pretty much hate Denver after the Olshansky-Nalen deal. The Chargers are a tight nit group & I don't think any player would defect to a division rival.

2. A.J. Smith will put a 1st round tender on Turner & will be able to match ANY offer he gets. I think he would rather overpay for Turner & then trade him to another team than let the Broncos get him.

For those of you who want Turner, you are smart. I live in SD & watch every Charger game because Denver is rarely on here. He is amazing not only as a RB but as a return man. He is extremely patient & lets holes develop. Every time the Chargers are on in prime time, the announcers comment that Turner would start for over half the teams in the NFL. He is light years better then the Bells.

[BigBroncLove]

2. A.J. Smith will put a 1st round tender on Turner & will be able to match ANY offer he gets. I think he would rather overpay for Turner & then trade him to another team than let the Broncos get him.

That's what I would do if I were him, Turner will be a weapon wherever he goes... still I hope for a miracle if we can pick him up, but I won't hold my breath...

[BroncoNation818]

I woould take hime over any rookie.

[TR3Y]

I'd love to have him in the backfield. He's a Beast! I wonder what's the contract with Marion Barber in Dallas? I'd love to get him too if he's available. He's clearly the better back in dallas, but they're too dumb to not start him.

Too bad Shanny drafted Clarett rather than Barber :hammer:

[JerseyAdam]

I'm so sick of the revolving door w/ or backs. We should try our hardest to pick turner up. I'm done w/ drafting these guys when NFL talent is right here, and somewhat proven. Turner has got some exp. and can obviously play in the league. Seems he is a better bet then drafting a rookie, again. IMHO.

[tommy1986]

Grab Turner, and then draft Garrett Wolfe. Then we will have both NIU studs. :salute:

[clokwork orange]

does Lamont Jordan ring a bell? everything everyone is saying about turner they said about jordan to....look how that worked out for the raidersjordan is alot better than any back on our roster. oak oline and their abscence of qb play are the reason for jordan's lack of success.

[lancane]

Jamal Lewis says "HI!" from Baltimore! (thankfully)



That Cutler part...was that before or after that big Denver Post article?



Where do you get that indication?

Don't be so quick to discount yourself Lancane. You frequently throw your weight around--you say a lot of things. Don't cry a river when someone decides to give you a debate...

I told many that Denver was eyeing a quarterback in the draft...everyone on here thought, well give a few exceptions that I was wrong or dead off my rocker. And I was right, I mentioned Cutler many times before the draft, and the Post had still not mentioned anything about him.

As far as the whole school aspect and being disproven, it is a known fact that 'Gems' or smaller school players have in many ways out dominated their big school brethren, but not all...we both know the draft is like the lottery. And look at the Hall of Fame listings, there are many on there that were backups while in school, Division II or Ivy League...You discount the facts more often then not, instead of actually giving a good debate. I can name over three dozen elite prospects from smaller schools, they may not fill or swell the NFL Ranks, but they have countered their big school fellow athletes in many ways, some even filling the ranks as the more elite to play the game!

You and I need to put an end to this, you will believe what you want...I will believe what I want, I can not change your mindset, nor do I care to even try it. And same goes for me, I am not saying Turner is a bad option either, but I know the chances are as little, if not more so then then trading for Benson...Shottenheimer is not one that will let Denver just walk off with Turner, we have a better chance to get Ricky Williams and Shanahan has proven he would rather try his hand in the draft or on undrafted athletes then give money to a big name free agent. A no name Free Agent has a better chance, but all of our real big named players were from trades or drafts, not from Free Agency!

I personally in my honest opinion would rather he drafted a back or two, and by the way Dawson...he is a special team coach's dream he is also one of the better kick returners and would be worth it just for that aspect alone.

;)

[mopatt24]

That is who I want in the offseason. He might cost, but it'll be worth it.

[Morambar]

Someone we don't have to teach to pass block and catch, and someone with the ability to move the pile and finish games/seasons so lacking in Tatum Bell. On the other hand, I'm also reluctant to give SD any kind of an edge when they don't need any. Depending on how our game against Cincy goes we could easily be drafting in the top 15, something rare in Denver, and I don't really like the idea of giving any of those picks to SD. Still, we do need a pass blocker who can move the pile and play all game/year, and the anti-Longhorn in me doesn't see that in Benson. I dunno; I'll trust the front office on this one; it's not like I have much choice. I do think Turner would be an asset to our team though, and a critical one, I just wouldn't be willing to break the bank to get him.

[lancane]

Don’t set your hope too high on a backup RB. Especially when he plays behind LT.

How much attention does he get when he’s in the game? On top of that he is always fresh.


Look at LeMont Jordan, the fatty looked great 3 years behind Martin, but as a sterter he breaks up every year.

The problem is that even starters that switch teams never really look the same: Martin, Droughns, Portis and even James in Arizona. One thing I hate is free agency, never openly said it. I think trades are alright or picking up a cut player off waivers, but I think free agency has ruined the long-term stability of the teams. Key players should remain most of their careers with the same team...matter of opinion I guess, but still. Nevermind...just my opinion...lol.

I think Denver needs to draft, and I think they need to trade, sign some no name free agents and build our team that way.

[dogfish]

cane, you've written many posts telling us why you think we WON'T get turner (i tend to agree), but i really don't see any explanation why you WOULDN'T want him. . . i still don't think it's impossible that san diego would put the 1st round tender on him, though it would be an unusual move with a backup-- and there's no way i'd even consider giving up a 1st for him, but if it's the 3rd round tender i'd be all over that like a fat cop on a krispy creme. . . . . :D


here's what i see when i watch turner (he really jumped out at me last year). . . the blazing speed is obvious, and he has a second gear in the open field. . . good lateral quickness and crisp, explosive cuts. . . solid vision, generally has the patience to set up his blocks, and runs hard and decisively once the hole opens. . . thickly built, strong lower body with good balance and powerful leg drive-- knows when to lower his shoulder and finish off runs, and has a decent stiff-arm. . . .

the only real negatives i see are that he hasn't proven that he can carry the load in the NFL, and his pass blocking needs work-- he's unproven as a receiver. . . but really, you have to say those things about ANY back in the draft, also. . .

and for you guys comparing hm to lamont jordan, really, what's the point?? he isn't jordan, and jordan would perform differently here than he has with the faders-- it would take freakin' barry sanders to do anything behind that PATHETIC line. . . . drew brees was an awesome pickup for NO, does that mean every team should be looking out for FA quarterbacks coming off shoulder injuries? :goofy: pointless comparisons. . . .

i'll take a guy who's 5'10 and 237 pounds and can move like that any day and twice on sunday! i think he's going to be a beast somewhere, although realistically i don't expect it to be here. . . .

[BroncoNation818]

I just dont see us grabbing another late round back that turns out to be great again. (Terrell Davis for you wannaB bronco fans).

[lancane]

cane, you've written many posts telling us why you think we WON'T get turner (i tend to agree), but i really don't see any explanation why you WOULDN'T want him. . . i still don't think it's impossible that san diego would put the 1st round tender on him, though it would be an unusual move with a backup-- and there's no way i'd even consider giving up a 1st for him, but if it's the 3rd round tender i'd be all over that like a fat cop on a krispy creme. . . . . :D


here's what i see when i watch turner (he really jumped out at me last year). . . the blazing speed is obvious, and he has a second gear in the open field. . . good lateral quickness and crisp, explosive cuts. . . solid vision, generally has the patience to set up his blocks, and runs hard and decisively once the hole opens. . . thickly built, strong lower body with good balance and powerful leg drive-- knows when to lower his shoulder and finish off runs, and has a decent stiff-arm. . . .

the only real negatives i see are that he hasn't proven that he can carry the load in the NFL, and his pass blocking needs work-- he's unproven as a receiver. . . but really, you have to say those things about ANY back in the draft, also. . .

and for you guys comparing hm to lamont jordan, really, what's the point?? he isn't jordan, and jordan would perform differently here than he has with the faders-- it would take freakin' barry sanders to do anything behind that PATHETIC line. . . . drew brees was an awesome pickup for NO, does that mean every team should be looking out for FA quarterbacks coming off shoulder injuries? :goofy: pointless comparisons. . . .

i'll take a guy who's 5'10 and 237 pounds and can move like that any day and twice on sunday! i think he's going to be a beast somewhere, although realistically i don't expect it to be here. . . .

Okay, why I do not want him...is the fact he is still an unproven player, great backup...so is Mike Bell, but we all know Mike can not carry the load. Maybe Turner is that good, but if we got him and he was another Bell or Dayne, (Running back by commitee still) then we all would be pissed off, "What a waste", "Blah Blah"...it happens, look at half of the Browncos and so on. I am not one for free agency, players off waivers is one thing, or trades even, but I believe you need to draft and build...I use to be big on Free Agency, when we got Romanowski, I was all for it. But now, every other year our team uses it like a discount menu and it really is not helping, they need to focus more on the draft and making our team solid with our players...we have enough dead weight to trade for a few more picks, and I really do not care if Denver signed not one free agent this year...I would be happy with a good damn draft, we could draft two or three good players at certain positions and really build off of it.

But at least with rookies there is a chance they will breakout, Turner could get a fat contract and be like Edge or worse, that would kill our team...a rookie would not garner so much till they earned it!

[BroncoNation818]

look at what happened with LJ

[lancane]

look at what happened with LJ

He was a backup on the same team that drafted him...then broke out for that team! Big difference between being a backup and breaking out when given the chance, Davis did that here...but he may not have elsewhere...but talk about moody fans, if we got Turner and he was a bust, many of our fans would be asking for Shanahan's head...they tend to forget they wanted him too...hell I would rather draft a couple and let Nash, Cobb, M. Bell, and the rooks' battle it out for the roster slots...but that is me!

;)

[BroncoNation818]

He was a backup on the same team that drafted him...then broke out for that team! Big difference between being a backup and breaking out when given the chance, Davis did that here...but he may not have elsewhere...but talk about moody fans, if we got Turner and he was a bust, many of our fans would be asking for Shanahan's head...they tend to forget they wanted him too...hell I would rather draft a couple and let Nash, Cobb, M. Bell, and the rooks' battle it out for the roster slots...but that is me!

;)

I respect your opinion and cant wait to see what actually happens. :coffee:

[WABronco]

Okay, why I do not want him...is the fact he is still an unproven player, great backup...so is Mike Bell, but we all know Mike can not carry the load. Maybe Turner is that good, but if we got him and he was another Bell or Dayne, (Running back by commitee still) then we all would be pissed off, "What a waste", "Blah Blah"...it happens, look at half of the Browncos and so on. I am not one for free agency, players off waivers is one thing, or trades even, but I believe you need to draft and build...I use to be big on Free Agency, when we got Romanowski, I was all for it. But now, every other year our team uses it like a discount menu and it really is not helping, they need to focus more on the draft and making our team solid with our players...we have enough dead weight to trade for a few more picks, and I really do not care if Denver signed not one free agent this year...I would be happy with a good damn draft, we could draft two or three good players at certain positions and really build off of it.

But at least with rookies there is a chance they will breakout, Turner could get a fat contract and be like Edge or worse, that would kill our team...a rookie would not garner so much till they earned it!

I think you just have a bias.

No one's saying sign him to a 40 million+ contract. If he's available at a reasonable price with the third round tender, you'd be stupid not to at least give him one or two looks. I just don't get why you think a 3rd round running back would be any better than a guy who's already played in the NFL, and played well in the NFL. I suppose everyone has their favorite prospects...that's fine. He's only 24 or so...just think of him as a redshirt senior or something.

I mean, if you have a spot open at a key position, and you're a competing team, do you sign reasonably priced free agents to fill those holes or draft and develop for 2-3 years?

For example:

If the market for Justin Smith is not completely outrageous, give him a call. If his demands are reasonable then....DONE. Welcome to Denver, have fun as our new starting RE. Now we don't really have to splurge on DE's in the draft--we can wait and pick up a project guy later on and concentrate on other need areas (DT, S, OT, WR). There's no reason to believe that Smith has more bustability than your run-of-the-mill first round pick.

Same with Charles Grant. Same with DeWayne White.

I'd rather sign a young vet at a need position and then supplement that position further with draft picks than just carpet-bombing that part of the roster with rookies.

[BroncoNation818]

Ya I dont think Marty will give him up to us.

[tommy1986]

Ya I dont think Marty will give him up to us.


And Marty wanted to keep Drew Brees, but that didn't work out either...

Marty doesn't call the shots, A.J. Davis, the GM, does.

But Turner is a RFA, so if some team matches the tender, then its Turner's choice whether he wants to remain a Charger or go to the highest bidder.

[kratos_godofwar]

I'm not sold on Turner. There's also no way in hell that the Broncos can get him anyways. He's a restricted free agent and there's no way that the Chargers will allow the Broncos to get him. Why waste a draft pick on him when we get younger talent with a draft pick. I say no to Turner.

[str8jacket]

I'm not sold on Turner. There's also no way in hell that the Broncos can get him anyways. He's a restricted free agent and there's no way that the Chargers will allow the Broncos to get him. Why waste a draft pick on him when we get younger talent with a draft pick. I say no to Turner.
he cant possibly be all that worn down after being a 2nd string RB behind LT.......

[Morambar]

The problem is that even starters that switch teams never really look the same: Martin, Droughns, Portis and even James in Arizona. One thing I hate is free agency, never openly said it. I think trades are alright or picking up a cut player off waivers, but I think free agency has ruined the long-term stability of the teams. Key players should remain most of their careers with the same team...matter of opinion I guess, but still. Nevermind...just my opinion...lol.

I think Denver needs to draft, and I think they need to trade, sign some no name free agents and build our team that way.

I agree with you about FA ruining teams, but the alternative is going back to a strike every few years and the courts telling the League they can't tell people where they're allowed to work. As far as RB, receiving (which Tatum can do) and pass blocking (which none of our backs can do) aren't skills we see at a high level in backs right out of college, so I keep coming back to a FA pickup. If he can grind it out on the ground and finish games I don't mind picking up a no name who already knows how to catch and pass block. Our zone blocking will get him open a lot for big gainers, and I don't need someone spectacular, just able to protect the QB on passing downs so defenses can't gameplan based on who's in our backfield

[lancane]

I agree with you about FA ruining teams, but the alternative is going back to a strike every few years and the courts telling the League they can't tell people where they're allowed to work. As far as RB, receiving (which Tatum can do) and pass blocking (which none of our backs can do) aren't skills we see at a high level in backs right out of college, so I keep coming back to a FA pickup. If he can grind it out on the ground and finish games I don't mind picking up a no name who already knows how to catch and pass block. Our zone blocking will get him open a lot for big gainers, and I don't need someone spectacular, just able to protect the QB on passing downs so defenses can't gameplan based on who's in our backfield

Well that is true, I just feel the NFL went too commercial, it was always popular...but now you can not even hit the quarterback! Call me old school, I also remember when the draft had up to twelve rounds...which I would not mind seeing, it would eliminate the need to keep signing undrafted free agents, but still! I dunno, I just feel that our formula of patching with Shanahan has worked but since Elway has blundered more times then not. I understand people want to add superstars...but superstars can be drafted, they become the face of their teams.

Shanahan has proven that latter round players can be succesful, but at the same time his theory or what looks to be his theory has arisen to snake bite us in the rears.

If Turner did come to the Broncos I would give him a chance, but if he was another failure, then I would likely call for Shanahan's head, not because of this one incident, but the many...Clarett, the Browncos...etc. all the other busts, yes we win, but I hate looking like a one and done team!

[MindField]

Well that is true, I just feel the NFL went too commercial, it was always popular...but now you can not even hit the quarterback! Call me old school, I also remember when the draft had up to twelve rounds...which I would not mind seeing, it would eliminate the need to keep signing undrafted free agents, but still! I dunno, I just feel that our formula of patching with Shanahan has worked but since Elway has blundered more times then not. I understand people want to add superstars...but superstars can be drafted, they become the face of their teams.

Shanahan has proven that latter round players can be succesful, but at the same time his theory or what looks to be his theory has arisen to snake bite us in the rears.

If Turner did come to the Broncos I would give him a chance, but if he was another failure, then I would likely call for Shanahan's head, not because of this one incident, but the many...Clarett, the Browncos...etc. all the other busts, yes we win, but I hate looking like a one and done team!

Hold it right there....Shanahan has had his busts, but the 'Browncos' were not among them. Keep it fair. By any measure, the 'Browncos' were at least a good temporary solution all things considered.

[TheFuture6]

And Marty wanted to keep Drew Brees, but that didn't work out either...

Marty doesn't call the shots, A.J. Davis, the GM, does.

But Turner is a RFA, so if some team matches the tender, then its Turner's choice whether he wants to remain a Charger or go to the highest bidder.

his name is AJ Smith, but anyways, Turner would be a picture perfect fit in Denver. He is a downhill runner who will break that first tackle and get to that second level. Can you imagine... I've been drooling over him since he landed in San Diego

[Morambar]

Well that is true, I just feel the NFL went too commercial, it was always popular...but now you can not even hit the quarterback! Call me old school, I also remember when the draft had up to twelve rounds...which I would not mind seeing, it would eliminate the need to keep signing undrafted free agents, but still! I dunno, I just feel that our formula of patching with Shanahan has worked but since Elway has blundered more times then not. I understand people want to add superstars...but superstars can be drafted, they become the face of their teams.

Shanahan has proven that latter round players can be succesful, but at the same time his theory or what looks to be his theory has arisen to snake bite us in the rears.

If Turner did come to the Broncos I would give him a chance, but if he was another failure, then I would likely call for Shanahan's head, not because of this one incident, but the many...Clarett, the Browncos...etc. all the other busts, yes we win, but I hate looking like a one and done team!

All well and good to bring back a twelve round draft, but with 53 man rosters I'm not sure how much good it would do. :P Just have a bunch of UFAs who get drafted so no one else can sign up, go to camp, get cut and NOW you can talk to 'em. Which would make them that much harder to work into the roster by opening day, and would no doubt mean many would get cut anyway because they "weren't getting it done" simply due to unfamiliarity with the system rather than lack of talent.

In general I agree with you on drafting talent rather than acquiring it through free agency, simply because in the modern League even if you find a Pro Bowler who's a perfect fit that just means you have to renegotiate a huge contract with him in a few years and still find a way to get under the DeBartolo Memorial Salary Cap. The only way to obtain a long term star is to draft one. The issue for me with RB is we need someone who can block and catch, arguably more than we need someone who can gain 1000 yards (since almost literally anyone can do that under our system) and those aren't skills you see at a high level in college backs. In essence I'm saying that to get NFL skills you have to get an NFL player, and that means FA. I don't wanna see Cutler get killed for a few years, possibly see a promising career derailed by a lack of pass protection (like we've seen soooo many times) while our future HoFer is learning how to pass block on third down.

[Walker84]

I would love to see Turner here he has alot of potential and I like the way he runs.

[The Hamburgler]

I would love to see Turner in our backfield. He seems to be very fast and very strong.

he has averaged more than 6.0 yards per carry over the past three years. I think he would be a good starter. Not just a backup.


Not Me :coffee:

[DancingHorsey]

I would love to see the guy in a Bronco uni, but not if it costs us a limb, which I'm pretty sure it would.

[LoyalSoldier]

If we could pick him up without a heavy price tag then I would be all for it, but I am jst not sure we can get him away right now because he is restricted.

[javon84walker#1]

don't want him... :nono:

lancane convinced me to hope for Marshawn Lynch...lol :rockon:

[fcspikeit]

I would love to see Turner in our backfield. He seems to be very fast and very strong.

he has averaged more than 6.0 yards per carry over the past three years. I think he would be a good starter. Not just a backup.

He would be a good pick up! IMO better then what we have right now.

Why don't you put a pole in this thread?

[fcspikeit]

don't want him... :nono:

lancane convinced me to hope for Marshawn Lynch...lol :rockon:

Lynch would be great! But we will have to trade up to get him. and trade away anything we have of value. We would basically have to put all our stock for next year in one player. If we were to get Turner then we could pursue help for the D-Line.

Just a thought :salute:

[DancingHorsey]

Lynch would be great! But we will have to trade up to get him. and trade away anything we have of value. We would basically have to put all our stock for next year in one player. If we were to get Turner then we could pursue help for the D-Line.

Just a though :salute:

Trading away an extra 3rd round pick hardly seems like putting all our stock in one player. Possibly giving a 1st rounder to a division rival for a guy they don't even need seems like a much worse move to me.

[fcspikeit]

Trading away an extra 3rd round pick hardly seems like putting all our stock in one player. Possibly giving a 1st rounder to a division rival for a guy they don't even need seems like a much worse move to me.


I think maybe there was a misunderstanding?


I was talking about lynch when I said "We would basically have to put all our stock for next year in one player" because we would have to trade up in the draft to get him. In order to trade up we would have to give anything we had of value.

I never said anything about trading our first round pick for Turner. I think we probably could get him for our extra 3rd round pick.

[DrunkPanda]

I wouldn't mind trying him out in a browns uniform.
yes. he will spend one or two years as a brown. then he will come to denver, as all browns eventually do

[kratos_godofwar]

I perfer that we not go after Turner and go after Lynch instead. We can probably move the draft if we give our first and third. But the Draft is very unpredictable, and any player can drop into the 20's. Like DeAngello Williams and Marroney.

[DancingHorsey]

I think maybe there was a misunderstanding?


I was talking about lynch when I said "We would basically have to put all our stock for next year in one player" because we would have to trade up in the draft to get him. In order to trade up we would have to give anything we had of value.

I never said anything about trading our first round pick for Turner. I think we probably could get him for our extra 3rd round pick.

My point is that we would likely need to trade one of our third rounders and our current 1st rounder to move up to the 15th pick, so I don't see that as putting all our stock in one player. Conversely, there is no way the Chargers only ask for a third rounder for the guy, NO WAY.

[SuperD77]

After watching this game, I think he'd be a great fit for the broncos. Does anyone know if he'd be available and what the chances of that happening would be?

[JoRo]

After watching this game, I think he'd be a great fit for the broncos. Does anyone know if he'd be available and what the chances of that happening would be?


If we give up our 1st we get him, thats prolly it.

[qnpd]

Expensive, but I want him more and more.

[SuperD77]

Well I think it'd be worth it. I know we need to address the defensive line, but if this guy is available we should do it.

[DancingHorsey]

Expensive, but I want him more and more.

He has looked good against the Pats today. If they ask for a second rounder (or less), I would think we would be wise to consider it.

[// / yardo]

Turner has my interest. He look good on that TD run today against the Pats. Guy looks fast and strong.

[DancingHorsey]

Well I think it'd be worth it. I know we need to address the defensive line, but if this guy is available we should do it.

I'm not particularly fond of giving the Chargers our 1st round pick for a guy they don't even need.

[Aija]

Micheal Turner is a speed back who is 5 7 and weights 221 pounds. The guy is a short fat guy who has done well cause he is a spot back. He relies on speed to do what he does and he CANNOT be a workhorse back. Please give up the idea of this guy being our feature back.

[DancingHorsey]

Micheal Turner is a speed back who is 5 7 and weights 221 pounds. The guy is a short fat guy who has done well cause he is a spot back. He relies on speed to do what he does and he CANNOT be a workhorse back. Please give up the idea of this guy being our feature back.

What proof do you have he can't be a feature back? I seem to remember people saying the same thing about Brian Westbrook. By the way, I've seen him show a good amount of power, so saying he's just a speed back seems a bit off to me.

[BigBroncLove]

What proof do you have he can't be a feature back? I seem to remember people saying the same thing about Brian Westbrook. By the way, I've seen him show a good amount of power, so saying he's just a speed back seems a bit off to me.

Agreed, there's no way you can define Turner as a speed back. Looking at his weight and height doesn't mean you can suddenly fit him into the short fat range.

He is fast, makes good cuts, runs with a lot of power, pass protects well, and catches well. He will be a good back. If we can get him for a 3rd round (unlikely) I say we grab him. Otherwise I think we should use our picks for more useful purposes and grab na RB in the draft.

I will say this, wherever Turner lands (unless he has a terrible OL infront of him like L. Jordan, and for the record L. Jordan is not that ghreat of a back) he will do well and many will admire his plays in the future IMO.

[Snake=Superbowl]

is it a sure thing of the chargers re-signing him, cause if not we could just sign him correct?

[DancingHorsey]

is it a sure thing of the chargers re-signing him, cause if not we could just sign him correct?

No, we would have to give them a draft pick. What draft pick they ask for, is the real question.

[houdini30]

Micheal Turner is a speed back who is 5 7 and weights 221 pounds. The guy is a short fat guy who has done well cause he is a spot back. He relies on speed to do what he does and he CANNOT be a workhorse back. Please give up the idea of this guy being our feature back.


hes 5-10, 237

[22cannon]

The Bronco's aren't going to give a 1st day pick to an in-division team for a 2nd stringer.

[SuperD77]

Micheal Turner is a speed back who is 5 7 and weights 221 pounds. The guy is a short fat guy who has done well cause he is a spot back. He relies on speed to do what he does and he CANNOT be a workhorse back. Please give up the idea of this guy being our feature back.

I was more of the lines thinking him and Mike bell would be a great combo.

[DrunkPanda]

you want to give up a first rounder to our division opponent for a runningback that wouldn't even be our feature back? are you kidding?

[DenverBroncosJM]

And just think we have at least 4 months of these kinda posts ....:(

[DenBronx]

I was more of the lines thinking him and Mike bell would be a great combo.


no more combo schemes!

we need a featured back that can carry the rock at least 30 times a game.

we need a t davis style back again.

im sorry but i wouldnt give up a first rounder for this guy. he seems like a good back but i dont want us to hurt ourselves and help the chargers.

it would be better if were going to do ANYTHING with our first is go after lynch. yes a bruiser rookie. he has wayyyyy more talent than turner.

[broncolee]

Signing him to a sensible contract while not giving up anymore than a 3rd rounder would be a good move, IMO. If SD tenders him the first-round contract...then screw it. But, if he can be had for a 3rd round pick and a reasonable contract, why not?

He's shown some nice physical potential--he's big, powerful, extremely fast, young, and doesn't have much mileage on those legs . I don't see why we shouldn't kick those tires a bit if the opportunity presents itself.

This is a much more realistic scenario then, say.....drafting a back in the first round or trading for Cedric Benson.
Actually, drafting a 1st Rd RB or trading for Thomas Jones is more realistic than getting Turner. The Chargers are less likely to let Turner go than Shanahan is to realize he needs to go after the best RB available at their pick in the 1st Rd. He should even move up to get one. As far as trade scenarios with the Bears go, we would have a shot at Jones not Benson. I wouldn't mind bringing in Jones, I was rooting for it last offseason when the rumors of a trade for him were flying around.

[jb_edson81]

you want to give up a first rounder to our division opponent for a runningback that wouldn't even be our feature back? are you kidding?


Exactly!! I mean come on people think a little. If we are gonna use a 1st round pick to get a RB we should move up and draft Lynch, otherwise why would we give the chargers (remember they just won OUR division) our 1st round pick?

[Aija]

I say no to the combo scheme myself. It has ruined the flow and rhytm of our offense. We just need a consistent workhorse huy and another to spell him. I have no problem with Mike Bell being the guy if he can show mroe stamina and consistency. Obviously Tatum cannot be that guy.

[22cannon]

The Bronco's aren't going to give a 1st day pick to an in-division team for a 2nd stringer.

:salute: .

[gemf89]

why is the love with all the back-ups???

i mean look at turner, schaub and a few others (those two come to my mind now)

what have they done??? they havent done a thing in this league....

[22cannon]

We should not, would not, will not give up a first day pick to an in-division rival on the first day of the draft.

any questions?

[JoRo]

And just think we have at least 4 months of these kinda posts ....:(


It makes me want to find something to hide under...


I donno what is worse the senseless dribble during season or during offseason

[mdterps]

I like the Bell Bros. in the backfield. But for some reason or another I seem to be the only one.

[SuperD77]

And just think we have at least 4 months of these kinda posts ....:(

Fine I wont post again on this forum. Sorry I just thought he looked good is all. If you dont like the idea just disagree, but please dont be rude about it.