Jared Allen - Top FA

[DURANGO BRONCO]

Could you imagine getting lucky enough to get this guy! Not only would we have a game changing DE, but would also avoid playing against him twice a year.


Jared Allen, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Perhaps the top defensive lineman that will see the market, Allen, has posted totals of 9 and 11 in the sack department in the two seasons prior to 2006, and he’s added 3 more this season. The Chiefs will do everything in their power to keep him, but teams on the outside looking in could see Allen as a free agent must. He’s young, plays with a big motor, and puts pressure on the quarterback often, evidenced by his 7 forced fumbles last season. Teams will line up for the type of player that Allen is, and being an RFA doesn’t change that much. Allen makes the list because of his talent, but it’s difficult to imagine that the Chiefs would allow him to slip away on the market. Expect the Chiefs to negotiate a contract extension or possibly use the franchise tag if Allen has another great season.

[stnzed]

Despite his off-field issues, it would be smart for the Broncos to go after Allen.

If for no other reason then to make the Chefs pay more than wnat to to kep him.

It all depends on the money and the compensation though.

The last time the Broncos stole a Chef DE the Broncos were playing in the SB the next year.

Don't hold yer breath though. The Broncos let good DE's walk away, not bring them in. Besides, he's never played a down for the Browns. If the Broncos pass rush is going to get any better the Browns better start picking better D-lineman.

[Broncos72690]

We really need that kind of help.

He's on my Madden team.

[dogfish]

nice thought, but no way in hell they don't put the first round tender on him at the very least-- and it's more likely that they'll sign him to a hefty extension. . . . as far as the tender goes, you MIGHT be able to convince me that he's worth a lower first round pick-- IF we weren't talking about sending it to a division rival! i just can't see us doing that any more than i can see the chefs letting him walk. . . .

i'd say that charles grant or justin smith will be more realistic options. . . and i've heard that the bengals are likely to franchise smith if they can't sign him to an extension, though i personally think that would be seriously overpaying for him. . . i'm not big on going after simeon rice, but he's likely to be out there, and i've heard that carolina may let mike rucker go as well. . . . out of all these options, grant would probably be my first choice-- but i'd still rather go after a big beastly run-stuffing DT like terdell sands and spend a high draft pick on a pass-rushing DE. . . .

[maruske845]

I member reading a story about him a vew years ago
he looked ok

but the last view 2-3 years he has had good seassons
so i would like having him

[hardcorebronco]

I cant see the Chiefs letting him go to us without us paying an arm and a leg for him. I think our best chance is to grab one in the draft. DOESNT HAVE TO BE A 1ST ROUNDER!!! Compare: Mario Williams to Elis Dumerville. Vertually a tie statistically if not a edge to Dumerville, then take into consideration the fact that Dumerville is a situational pass rusher and not a every down DE like Williams. Size and str is overated in the DE position. It also takes smarts, speed and recognition of the offence. I say look for a 2nd rounder to be taken at DE.

[Morambar]

9 sacks and 11. Nice. Of course, we've got two guys with 7 already, and another with 6.5 who's our leading tackler. Given that 1) one of them's a situational player and 2) they're doing it with no blitz help from the LBs or safeties and virtually none from the DTs ( "DTs, " HA; we have ONE, Warren) I think they're fine, they just can't be a two man line that rotates with a third on passing downs. If we had another DT to put with Warren to collapse the pocket and grab extra blockers they'd be terrorizing offenses; if they had a couple LBs and/or John Lynch come along for the ride a little more often they'd probably all be in double digits. Sadly, it's hard to bring Lynch on a blitz when he's playing FS and has to be there as the last line of defense on a deep pass; he needs to be back at SS where he played for a decade and made Pro Bowls, especially since he's not as fast as he was then while the various CBs we're trying at SS are.

[tommy1986]

nice thought, but no way in hell they don't put the first round tender on him at the very least-- and it's more likely that they'll sign him to a hefty extension. . . . as far as the tender goes, you MIGHT be able to convince me that he's worth a lower first round pick-- IF we weren't talking about sending it to a division rival! i just can't see us doing that any more than i can see the chefs letting him walk. . . .

i'd say that charles grant or justin smith will be more realistic options. . . and i've heard that the bengals are likely to franchise smith if they can't sign him to an extension, though i personally think that would be seriously overpaying for him. . . i'm not big on going after simeon rice, but he's likely to be out there, and i've heard that carolina may let mike rucker go as well. . . . out of all these options, grant would probably be my first choice-- but i'd still rather go after a big beastly run-stuffing DT like terdell sands and spend a high draft pick on a pass-rushing DE. . . .


In the scenario you described, I'd say Lamarr Woodley FTW.

[DURANGO BRONCO]

What do you all think about the experiment moving Ekuban inside ?

[Fat Joe]

Bad idea. hes far too small to play tackle.

[Cugel]

nice thought, but no way in hell they don't put the first round tender on him at the very least-- and it's more likely that they'll sign him to a hefty extension. . . . as far as the tender goes, you MIGHT be able to convince me that he's worth a lower first round pick-- IF we weren't talking about sending it to a division rival! i just can't see us doing that any more than i can see the chefs letting him walk. . . .

i'd say that charles grant or justin smith will be more realistic options. . . and i've heard that the bengals are likely to franchise smith if they can't sign him to an extension, though i personally think that would be seriously overpaying for him. . . i'm not big on going after simeon rice, but he's likely to be out there, and i've heard that carolina may let mike rucker go as well. . . . out of all these options, grant would probably be my first choice-- but i'd still rather go after a big beastly run-stuffing DT like terdell sands and spend a high draft pick on a pass-rushing DE. . . .
I agree with this analysis. I just can't see KC letting Allen go. Their defense would take a big-step backward if they did.

So, they make a serious tender offer.

As for Simeon Rice I hope Denver doesn't bid on him. He reminds me of Warren Sapp going to the Raiders two seasons ago. That didn't work out too well for them and they have a big contract to pay.

I could see Rice doing the same thing. Next year will be his twelth season and he's due to start declining rapidly in productivity soon. On the other hand, he had a big (14 sack season two years ago - before he was injured and missed 1/2 the season this year).

So, he's going to command a lot of $. Overall it's a very risky investment, especially for the Broncos who already have a bunch of underperforming DL from other teams.

[SPLITTINGBUNS]

Allen would be an awesome pick up. Our DL needs some SERIOUS work.

[gemf89]

Despite his off-field issues, it would be smart for the Broncos to go after Allen.




what off-field issues does he have???

[muse]

I'd like to see Justin Smith picked up. He's an every down guy, collects an adequate number of sacks a year and pressures the QB...if we can get him and a BIG DT in the draft we have three starters who need double teaming. And then bringing in Elvis on 3rd down...that would be a great turnaround.

[dogfish]

what off-field issues does he have???


he's had several DUIs, for one thing. . . .

[WABronco]

he's had several DUIs, for one thing. . . .
...and he was a brawler in college.

[Charlie Brown]

Don't hold yer breath though. The Broncos let good DE's walk away, not bring them in. Besides, he's never played a down for the Browns. If the Broncos pass rush is going to get any better the Browns better start picking better D-lineman.

That is a very general statment.

The Broncos picked up Defensive Lineman that were coached under Butch Davis.

There are only two more people on the Browns D-Line that fall under the category of being coached by Butch Davis and those are Orpheus Roye (in his mid thirties) and McKinley (not that good). If Denver really wants to pick up a defensive lineman from the Browns McKinley would be the best bet as I don't think he will be a Brown next year.

[gemf89]

he's had several DUIs, for one thing. . . .


ohhhh cmon.... so thats an off-field issue??? a lot of people do that.... he had the bad luck that he got caught but thats not a big problem is it????

[DancingHorsey]

ohhhh cmon.... so thats an off-field issue??? a lot of people do that.... he had the bad luck that he got caught but thats not a big problem is it????

It's a problem if it happens during the season.

[gemf89]

It's a problem if it happens during the season.


do you think nfl players sould not party during regular season.... can you imagine yourself not partying for more than 4 months.... i would go crazy

[dogfish]

do you think nfl players sould not party during regular season.... can you imagine yourself not partying for more than 4 months.... i would go crazy


well, is your job paying you millions of dollars? besides, no one said he can't party. . . but why can't he hire a limo and be smart about it? i like to party as much as anyone, so i'm in no position to judge. . . but dancing horsey is right, it's a problem if he gets his ass thrown in jail or something. . . if you don't know, the NFL puts guys with multiple violations in either their drug program or an alcohol equivalent. . . i'd say if you sign a guy to big dollars and he goes K-rob on you and gets suspended for the season, that would be considered a problem. . .

doesn't matter anyways-- no way in the hell the chefs are letting him go. . .

[DancingHorsey]

do you think nfl players sould not party during regular season.... can you imagine yourself not partying for more than 4 months.... i would go crazy

Oh you're one of those...well I hope you never kill anyone for the sake of a good time. By the way, there are these things called cabs which you can use to get home instead of drinking and driving, just in case you weren't aware.

[gemf89]

Oh you're one of those...well I hope you never kill anyone for the sake of a good time. By the way, there are these things called cabs which you can use to get home instead of drinking and driving, just in case you weren't aware.


believe me..... im not the only one.... i dont think its that bad to drink a little a drive some more

[gemf89]

well, is your job paying you millions of dollars? besides, no one said he can't party. . . but why can't he hire a limo and be smart about it? i like to party as much as anyone, so i'm in no position to judge. . . but dancing horsey is right, it's a problem if he gets his ass thrown in jail or something. . . if you don't know, the NFL puts guys with multiple violations in either their drug program or an alcohol equivalent. . . i'd say if you sign a guy to big dollars and he goes K-rob on you and gets suspended for the season, that would be considered a problem. . .

doesn't matter anyways-- no way in the hell the chefs are letting him go. . .

i think you may also have a job.... but you still party.... so where is the difference??? why souldnt he go in his own car.... i personally dont like somebody invading my privacity

[dogfish]

i think you may also have a job.... but you still party.... so where is the difference???

i'm old enough to know what i'm doing, and not take needless chances-- the chance of losing my liscense and facing a bunch of pain in the ass legal consequences, or maybe killing someone! i don't drive if i'm going to drink heavily. . . either cab it, take the bus, go somepalce within walking distance or arrange a designated driver. . . oh, and if i get a DUI, i don't get suspended from my job and leave them in the lurch after they've paid me millions of dollars. . .


why souldnt he go in his own car.... i personally dont like somebody invading my privacity


ask leonard little! think your privacy is worth more than somebody's life?

well, i'm done here-- it's pretty obvious that your attitude is set in stone, and i really don't see any point arguing with you about it. . . .

[str8jacket]

Jared Allen + Justin Smith in one offseason = Me crying due to the joy of a pass rush

[gemf89]

i'm old enough to know what i'm doing, and not take needless chances-- the chance of losing my liscense and facing a bunch of pain in the ass legal consequences, or maybe killing someone! i don't drive if i'm going to drink heavily. . . either cab it, take the bus, go somepalce within walking distance or arrange a designated driver. . . oh, and if i get a DUI, i don't get suspended from my job and leave them in the lurch after they've paid me millions of dollars. . . .

i dont know about you or about jared.... but some people (like me) dont go to a party thinking... "yeah this time im going to get drunk"... or "nop... this time im not gonna drink anything"... some people just go with the flow of things.... if the atmosphere invites you to drink one or one more some people just do it.... its not about drinking to a certain point.... sorry if you dont understand what im trying to say please let me know (english is not my native language although im pretty good with it :D




ask leonard little! think your privacy is worth more than somebody's life?

well, i'm done here-- it's pretty obvious that your attitude is set in stone, and i really don't see any point arguing with you about it. . . .

man youre getting way tooo drastic here... its obvious that you souldnt drive when youre not in conditions to do so.... but you can get the alcohol limit with like two beers right???? man...two beers are nothing.... i think you can drink about 5 beers and you are stiilll not taking a big chance by driving....

but thats my opinion.... i understand yours and youre also right.... its all about having limits.... so have a beer and enjoy :beer: