The big question, DE or DT in Round 1?

[OrangePeel]

To me, I think it is all but TOO obvious given our draft position, and the play of dline this season that one of these two positions will be our top pick in the upcoming draft. Barring any unforeseen circumstances, we should look forward to some young blood on the defensive line, but what position are we going to be looking at?

It is a very delicate situation, that if handled incorrectly, could screw up the defense for another 2 years, so dafting is not an option mike ;). The thing is though, that it is very possible that a dominant DT will bring out the potential of our DE's, or a dominant DE will help out or DT's in place.

Another way of deciding is looking at depth of position. Since I hope that we will grab one of each, looking at the talent available in the later rounds will help make the decision easier. Not to mention the best talent available should do alot to convince us between taking someone who fell like Quentin Moses, or reaching to grab the best DT available who probably is a second rounder.

One other option is to trade up. Their are 2 defensive lineman that I have been eyeing since the beginning of the year, and they are Alan Branch out of Michigan and Gaines Adams out of Clemson. These two are surefire Top 10 picks, and we have the picks (extra pick from Washington), and players (plummer, bells, etc..) to facilitate a top 10 drafting team who wants to trade down. The impact of a star Defensive lineman for a Dline can not be underappreciated as that one person makes everyone else's job's easier.

So the question has been asked, and I need some answers, where do we go?

[kratos_godofwar]

We have good pass rushers at the end spot. If we had another gap filler at DT, we would get soo much more out of the Def ends. Dumervile has done a great job without help, but with help at DT. He could be even more dangerous with another big DT, or maybe even an athletic DT.

[WABronco]

Either way, though I'd prefer a dynamic end in the mold of a Moses or Adams.

That said, barring another big trade-up, neither player is a realistic option. I'd be interested in a large, disruptor type tackle (Dorsey, Tyler) in the 1st...or maybe Harrell later on in the 2nd/3rd.

But really, I'm surprised at this growing sentiment that our two ends (Lang and Ekuban) are acceptable starters. They're passable at best, and there's no way they can be considered consistent pass rushers. They are hustle players, that's how they get their production--they lack the physical ability (speed, explosion, mobility, etc) to be impactful pass rushers.

...which is what we need.

Dumervil, at this point, can't be considered a long-term solution as a starter.

What we have right now is a bunch of wave players. Ekuban is probably the closest thing we have to a starting quality end, and that's at LE. His versatility is also a nice plus, but he's not the type of player that you say "oh gosh he's the best we can get."

Defensive end is a position that needs to be addressed--Shanahan knew it a year ago and he knows it now, even moreso.

[dogfish]

So the question has been asked, and I need some answers, where do we go?


are you asking where we should go, or where we think we will go?

:P


i'm hoping and praying that shanny WILL address the DL in a big way this year (the fact that we pursued abraham last year gives me a glimmer of hope to cling to), but he's certainly shown little inclination to in the past. . . i'm not as cynical as cugel about it, but it's true that he's tried awfully hard to get by with re-treads and castoffs-- it's easy for us to look at the roster and say DL is a major weakness, it's logical that he'll fix it. . . but don't bet your house or anything. . .

the first point i want to make is that left tackle actually looks like an equal need as of right now-- it certainly isn't an area of need if lepsis comes back, but the problem is that we can't count on that as of right now-- 32 years old coming off a micro-fracture surgery and a torn ACL there are no guarantees. . . what's worse is that with the recovery time associated with micro-fracture, the team most likely won't know by the draft if lepsis will be able to play again or not. . . if george foster is released or traded, as many expect, that leaves us with only two tackles on the roster, adam meadows (old and injury-prone himself, very unreliable) and eric pears (young and inexperienced)-- both natural right tackles. . . i suspect that we'll nose around in free agency for an adequate veteran stop-gap, but this team absolutely NEEDS to draft a prospect with the feet and athleticism to play left tackle. . . whether he learns for a few years under lepsis (and possibly challenges at right tackle in the meantime), or is forced into action sooner, we have to take steps sooner rather than later to find a potential long-term solution at this vital position-- as lancane keeps saying, bowlen and shenanigans have a LOT invested in #6, they're not likely to want a string of scrubs protecting his blind side. . .

if we WERE to spend our 1st rounder on a DL, quite frankly i'd be happy with either a DT or a quality pass rushing prospect for RE. . . the reality is we need both! WA, i think part of the reason people are starting to lean towards DT as the bigger need is that we've gotten run on far too much this year, particularly by rival teams in our division, and while the rush off the edge has been very inconsistent, the push up the middle has been virtually non-existent, and even a top end will have problems collecting sacks when the QB always has a nice clean pocket to step up into and throw. . .

myself, i'd still rather find a big run-stuffer like terdell sands in free agency and spend our 1st on a DE with the skill set to become a quality pass rusher. . . RE is one of the toughest positions to find true impact players, it just makes sense to look for one in the draft. . . i recently read an article by nolan nawrocki (pro football weekly's head of scouting), and he thinks the top DT prospects behind branch are getting really over-rated this year, and that there is much better depth and quality at the top of the DE class. . . while we clearly won't be in position to get branch or gaines adams (and probably not moses), a guy like lamarr woodley or victor abiamiri might not be a bad selection in our range (you guys are the draftniks, you tell me!). . . it sounds like a penetrator type DT like mebane might be available with our high 3rd. . .

i'll be honest, i'm flat-out afraid we'll once again fail to adequately address the problem, especially if shanny decides that he wants to go after an upgrade at running back. . . i'll take any help i can get on the DL at this point, inside or outside-- i highly doubt we'll revamp it the way i want, but anything's better than nothing. . . if we were to go after a FA end like charles grant and add a mebane or a quinn pitcock later on the 1st day, it would sure be better than nothing (aka anyone else from cleveland!). . . we'll see-- i'll keep my fingers crossed, but i sure won't hold my breath. . .

[SM19]

We should take the best available defensive tackle or pass-rushing end; the only position I'm not willing to consider worth a first-round pick is a run-stopping LE, because those are usually later-round players anyway. And as dogfish says, left tackle has to be considered an equal priority if Lepsis can't come back.

[lord_helmet]

I'm also warming up on "Big Terd" :D , put a mammoth in there and adress other needs. Also like Redding as a solid FA pickup at DT, and of course would love to get Grant. As far as FA O-lineman are concerned I only remember one name Leonard Davis AZ, but he's gonna be expensive and will deliver mediocre pass protection. Don't know much about the O linemen coming in to the league this year, but I doubt a franchise LT would fall to us in the draft.

[ScottyB]

Our d-line is not that bad. Our team has solid players across the board. We do need some new young talent on the d-line though. I would like to see a player like adam carriker taken in the first and then take a risk in the second on a guy like Marcus Thomas..... couple other names...... ryan Mcbean.... Jay Moore.... Kareem Brown.....

[MindField]

You are all forgetting one very important thing...Mike Shanahan may feel we have a bigger need.

Maybe Lepsis is not on recovery schedule and the pick will be a big LT.

Maybe he still thinks Tater sucks and he thinks we need a franchise back...

Maybe he thinks we need another young WR since Rod Smith is on his last legs...

Sometimes Shanahan doesn't agree with what we believe is the obvious.

[OrangePeel]

You are all forgetting one very important thing...Mike Shanahan may feel we have a bigger need.

Maybe Lepsis is not on recovery schedule and the pick will be a big LT.

Maybe he still thinks Tater sucks and he thinks we need a franchise back...

Maybe he thinks we need another young WR since Rod Smith is on his last legs...

Sometimes Shanahan doesn't agree with what we believe is the obvious.

it won't be an offensive lineman. History shows that when in need of a new starter, Shanny will draft his man low, and work him in gradually.

He obviously doesn't think he "sucks" since he has shown continued confidence in him over the season. He has just been injured as of late.

He used 3 picks on WR's last year (Walker, Marshall, and Hixon). We look to be set at the position, and don't need another #1, but a veteran #2/#3 type.

Maybe

[LoyalSoldier]

I would say DT because our DEs aren't all that bad. Dummervile has been doing well as a rookie and Ekuban has been at least pulling his weight. The DTs haven't been doing enough.

[dogfish]

here's my offseason sig:




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draft defensive linemen?
BRILLIANT!!

[HoustonBronco54]

The guys you mention are good players and the broncos will have a shot with at least one of them w/o having to trade up. The broncos aquire the rights of the redskins 1st round pick because of the lelie trade. The trade said that if the skins pick was higher than the broncos going into the draft, the broncos get washington's pick; and w/ their performance this season, the lowest the pick will be is 7th. Check out this article from Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
August 22, 2006.
<http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4937878,00.html.>

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

You are all forgetting one very important thing...Mike Shanahan may feel we have a bigger need.

Maybe Lepsis is not on recovery schedule and the pick will be a big LT.

Maybe he still thinks Tater sucks and he thinks we need a franchise back...

Maybe he thinks we need another young WR since Rod Smith is on his last legs...

Sometimes Shanahan doesn't agree with what we believe is the obvious.Great Post Check you Cps

[stnzed]

You are all forgetting one very important thing...Mike Shanahan may feel we have a bigger need.

Maybe Lepsis is not on recovery schedule and the pick will be a big LT.

Maybe he still thinks Tater sucks and he thinks we need a franchise back...

Maybe he thinks we need another young WR since Rod Smith is on his last legs...

Sometimes Shanahan doesn't agree with what we believe is the obvious.


And in this case he'd be dead wrong!

If nobody is there, then fine, pick that all-important, all-world player with an existing injury from a school nobody knew existed! He better be right though.

But if he doesn't at least acknowledge the pass rush is a problem, then I have no hope for next year.

If Shanahan blows any of those 4 first day picks (ie, a guard from a run and shoot team) he should be stripped of the personel responsiblities.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

I would say DT because our DEs aren't all that bad. Dummervile has been doing well as a rookie and Ekuban has been at least pulling his weight. The DTs haven't been doing enough.Great Post CP coming your way

[dogfish]

The guys you mention are good players and the broncos will have a shot with at least one of them w/o having to trade up. The broncos aquire the rights of the redskins 1st round pick because of the lelie trade. The trade said that if the skins pick was higher than the broncos going into the draft, the broncos get washington's pick; and w/ their performance this season, the lowest the pick will be is 7th. Check out this article from Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
August 22, 2006.
<http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4937878,00.html.>


hey, welcome to the board!

:beer:


unfortunately, the way the deal was structured we'll actually be receiving washington's 3rd round pick, and also their 4th rounder next year i believe. . . it was be fantastic if we could get a top ten pick from them, but it was set up to protect them against those circumstances. . . still a good deal for us, and the high 3rd rounder we get from them could easily be used as ammunition should we desire to trade up-- and if not, it could very well yield a good player. . .


EDIT: here's a more recent article (http://www.denverpost.com/broncosheadlines/ci_4904768) if you want to check it out. . . .

[stnzed]

The area in need of biggest improvement is pass rush....So I'm going with DE!

The Broncos DE's are back-ups. They are best coming in as wave players.

Dumervil? Please! He is a pass rush specialist ONLY.

The Broncos just don't have anyone other than Warren worth double teaming.

[lancane]

And in this case he'd be dead wrong!

If nobody is there, then fine, pick that all-important, all-world player with an existing injury!

But if he doesn't at least acknowledge the pass rush is a problem, then I have no hope for next year.

If Shanahan blows any of those 4 first day picks (ie, a guard from a run and shoot team) he should be stripped of the personel responsiblities.

Why would he be wrong? Cause you said so...or the mass fans say otherwise? He is the coach, he has led us to many winning seasons', I do agree he has been draft wacky in the past, but our last few drafts have been real solid, not great...but overall sound in production.

We could use a young defensive end, one that could use some time and they will be available in the third to fifth round, sorry to say this and anyone take real offense but there are some quality D-Lineman in the draft, fewer halfbacks and loads of linemen, and there all three needed upgradeable areas...if he trades up for Lynch, then great...cause Tatum is a joke as a feature back, I like the guy...just he is not premier back material and neither is Mike Bell. So yes, we need a more solid back and less rotation, we need one that scares the hell out of Defensive Coordinators so they play the run and Cutler can tear em' apart and vice versa.

But I do not believe Lynch is the only premier future back in the draft he is one of maybe ten.

Marshawn Lynch - Cal (Great Prospect)
Clifton Dawson - Harvard (Could be the 'Gem' of the HB Class)
Ken Darby - Alabama (Good Prospect - Also a risk pick)
Gary Russell - Former Minnesota Gopher, left school (Okay Prospect - Great talent)
Selvin Young - Texas (Alright Prospect - A little overrated - Could be a steal)
Tyrone Moss - Miami (Risk Pick - Good Athlete - Could be a huge bust)
Steve Baylark - UMass (Could be a 'Gem' - Good Prospect)
Kenny Irons - Auburn (Good Prospect - Risk Pick - Could be a steal)
Curtis Brown - BYU (Okay Prospect - Great Talent - Raw recruit - Could be a steal)
Alvin Banks - James Madison (Underrated Prospect - Risk Pick - Could be the Clarett of the HB Class)

There are potential prospects, they could wait...but will they? Shanahan is an offensive coach, I will guarantee you if he signs a big name free agent lineman, or one he feels is deserving of that title, then the 1st Round Pick will go elsewhere, he could go after a D-Lineman...I just do not know if he will. It would not bother me either if they went for Lynch missed and then traded out of the top round for more picks, sincerely because they could pickup two more quality first day athletes for what they may end up paying that first round pick. And there will be plenty of teams that will take that first round pick for a 2nd and 3rd, maybe an added 5th! The value to them is more then likely higher then Denver's. And that I would not be opposed to at all...

There is some good first round talent that will be available in the 2nd, so easily it could be a smart move, especially if they want to go D-Line, or O-Line and see another halfback in the latter rounds they feel is better.

[stnzed]

Why would he be wrong? Cause you said so...or the mass fans say otherwise? He is the coach, he has led us to many winning seasons', I do agree he has been draft wacky in the past, but our last few drafts have been real solid, not great...but overall sound in production.

We could use a young defensive end, one that could use some time and they will be available in the third to fifth round, sorry to say this and anyone take real offense but there are some quality D-Lineman in the draft, fewer halfbacks and loads of linemen, and there all three needed upgradeable areas...if he trades up for Lynch, then great...cause Tatum is a joke as a feature back, I like the guy...just he is not premier back material and neither is Mike Bell. So yes, we need a more solid back and less rotation, we need one that scares the hell out of Defensive Coordinators so they play the run and Cutler can tear em' apart and vice versa.

But I do not believe Lynch is the only premier future back in the draft he is one of maybe ten.

Marshawn Lynch - Cal (Great Prospect)
Clifton Dawson - Harvard (Could be the 'Gem' of the HB Class)
Ken Darby - Alabama (Good Prospect - Also a risk pick)
Gary Russell - Former Minnesota Gopher, left school (Okay Prospect - Great talent)
Selvin Young - Texas (Alright Prospect - A little overrated - Could be a steal)
Tyrone Moss - Miami (Risk Pick - Good Athlete - Could be a huge bust)
Steve Baylark - UMass (Could be a 'Gem' - Good Prospect)
Kenny Irons - Auburn (Good Prospect - Risk Pick - Could be a steal)
Curtis Brown - BYU (Okay Prospect - Great Talent - Raw recruit - Could be a steal)
Alvin Banks - James Madison (Underrated Prospect - Risk Pick - Could be the Clarett of the HB Class)

There are potential prospects, they could wait...but will they? Shanahan is an offensive coach, I will guarantee you if he signs a big name free agent lineman, or one he feels is deserving of that title, then the 1st Round Pick will go elsewhere, he could go after a D-Lineman...I just do not know if he will. It would not bother me either if they went for Lynch missed and then traded out of the top round for more picks, sincerely because they could pickup two more quality first day athletes for what they may end up paying that first round pick. And there will be plenty of teams that will take that first round pick for a 2nd and 3rd, maybe an added 5th! The value to them is more then likely higher then Denver's. And that I would not be opposed to at all...

There is some good first round talent that will be available in the 2nd, so easily it could be a smart move, especially if they want to go D-Line, or O-Line and see another halfback in the latter rounds they feel is better.


If he doesn't believe D-line is the biggest need then he IS DEAD WRONG!

It has nothing to do with what I think. (But I am right!) It's an undeniable fact. And if Shanahan waits til the 5th to address this, he should be stripped of his personell duties. You act like the Broncos only need some depth at the position. Someone who could step in when the future HOFer Lang/Ekuban decide to hang it up. :D

If Shanahan desides to protect "Bowlens new golden boy" with a guard from a run and shoot team you can hold off on making plans for a parade! The only reason this gets me worked up is because Shanahan is just daft enough to do it!

His last few drafts are the only thing that keep his track record from being pathetic!

Not "Wacky"! Flat out pathetic!

"Wacky"....That's like saying the middle east is "Unsettled". :D


[edit] Btw, If Shanahan moves out of the 1st round in 2007 he better land another "Cutler" in 2008.

[Freestyle]

Both aren't great, but I'll vote DTs.

Michael Myers really shoulden't be starting for us next year and Gerard Warren still runs hot and cold. And honestly, I'd really love it if Gerard Warren could be the 2nd best tackle on this team. As mentioned before, our DE's have to fight through quite a bit (due to lack of pressure up the middle and scheme IMO).

Take a look at Jacksonville. 3rd overall defense (3rd run/ 11th pass). They've let up more TDs on the ground this year, but in '05 they let up 5 rush TDs all year. The centerpiece of that defense is their 2 stud DTs, not their DEs.

[lancane]

If he doesn't believe D-line is the biggest need then he IS DEAD WRONG!

It has nothing to do with what I think. (But I am right!) It's an undeniable fact. And if Shanahan waits til the 5th to address this, he should be stripped of his personell duties. You act like the Broncos only need some depth at the position. Someone who could step in when the future HOFer Lang/Ekuban decide to hang it up. :D

If Shanahan desides to protect "Bowlens new golden boy" with a guard from a run and shoot team you can hold off on making plans for a parade! The only reason this gets me worked up is because Shanahan is just daft enough to do it!

His last few drafts are the only thing that keep his track record from being pathetic!

Not "Wacky"! Flat out pathetic!

"Wacky"....That's like saying the middle east is "Unsettled". :D


[edit] Btw, If Shanahan moves out of the 1st round in 2007 he better land another "Cutler" in 2008.

I do not believe that the first round class is always the way to go, were not talking a stud in 2008, what I am talking about is getting another piece of the puzzle just a few spaces down with more picks! Simple...he could go for DeMarcus Tyler or another possible lineman that could fall, but if he slid down in the second round and Denver was capable they get a steal! We do not have the best pick in the first, but value to get more is there, they need to trade up or down for value. Not go for a pick in 2008. And for your guard comment, I would put money on Ramirez, I know the kid, I know his coaches and he is a beast, he would fit in our system...so I do not know where the 'Parade Comment' comes from, that may be what you believe, but there is no truth in it at all.

But you and everyone else on here are overlooking the Free Agency Market, if Shanahan gets one or two D-Lineman in Free Agency, do you really believe he would take another in the first round? I highly doubt it, enough to bet my vital body parts on.

[Broncosfreak_56]

How about OT or OG???

[LoyalSoldier]

Both aren't great, but I'll vote DTs.

Michael Myers really shoulden't be starting for us next year and Gerard Warren still runs hot and cold. And honestly, I'd really love it if Gerard Warren could be the 2nd best tackle on this team. As mentioned before, our DE's have to fight through quite a bit (due to lack of pressure up the middle and scheme IMO).

Take a look at Jacksonville. 3rd overall defense (3rd run/ 11th pass). They've let up more TDs on the ground this year, but in '05 they let up 5 rush TDs all year. The centerpiece of that defense is their 2 stud DTs, not their DEs.

DT is more responsible for the run than the pass, but they still have a huge feature on pass plays.

[OrangePeel]

After today's game, I think it is safe to say that both lines are in bad shape. I think that We need to acquire on on each side of the ball through FA and then draft a buttload of talent for each line.

[lancane]

After today's game, I think it is safe to say that both lines are in bad shape. I think that We need to acquire on on each side of the ball through FA and then draft a buttload of talent for each line.

Today's game showed many weaknesses our beloved Broncs' have on both sides. But where does Shanahan turn? Seriously, the defense let down in the second half was pathetic, our O-Line about got both our quarterbacks killed, the D-Line put half-**sed pressure on their quarterback, Gore had huge yardage...so on and so on. Shanahan needs to go nuts, I really believe Denver will need to trade key personnel away possibly to secure needs...but who? Gold...Darrent Williams? There is a huge possibility if they did such, but will they?

As it stands now I can say I believe Foster will be part of some trade, but who else or any others are a bigger question...we need a real halfback, better lineman on both sides and a new safety. Carlisle I believe will not be re-signed, maybe Myers for depth, but we need a solid tackle and end, we need a promising guard and tackle and we need depth all around.

Who knows where to begin...but obviously a few needs may be addressed early in Free Agency and that will clear up the draft picture in whole, I think or I believe Denver will go after Terdell Sands and that will be an upgrade at defensive tackle, so they will likely draft later for depth...I expect a young end over tackle, just a feeling. I believe Shanny will move on Lynch and a top offensive tackle to be ready behind Lepsis, I also believe they will try and get an upgrade at guard, maybe in the draft.

[giocatore4]

If we stay where we are and want a DT, Tank Tyler is the pick. The guy is a monster and would be incredible next to Big Money. I know that he is unreliable, but when Courtney Brown plays, he is a beast. The problem is, (and was here in Cleveland) that he has a hard time staying healthy. But since he has so few "football miles" on him, DE probably isnt as pressing of a need as DT (although still a need). We can draft another production player later in the draft that people pass on because they dont like their size (but totally neglect their heart, aka Elvis).
Another way to go in the 1st round is CB. This is a heavily stocked CB draft, and although I dont think he will fall to us, Darrelle Revis is the real deal, and he idolizes Champ. This would make his development even better learning first hand from him. 1 all-world corner in Champ and 1 all-pro corner would take a lot of pressure off of Lynch (wouldnt need to cover as much), and the DLine (would allow more stunts and crash blitzes, because not afraid of getting burned by man coverage).

Other potential players for the 1st round (if we dont get Tank or Darrelle) (* denote people that i expect to be selected by the time we pick(.

DT
*Amobi Okeye - This guy is a freak, and at 19 years old is only going to get better.
*Quinn Pitcock - Performs out of his mind, has great football intelligence and form.
Turk McBride - Would be a reach where we are in the 1st round

CB
*Antoine Cason - Great skills, but will probably be gone by us.
*Leon Hall - Almost certainly will be gone by us, but after the Rose Bowl may slip.
Dameyoin Hughes - A great addition to a team, faced high-powered offenses, a tad on the slow side, but good make up speed.
Marcus McCauley - Nice player, had a down year, but still has all the skills needed to excel.

[Watson 81]

I definatly want Okoye

[muse]

After today's game, I think it is safe to say that both lines are in bad shape. I think that We need to acquire on on each side of the ball through FA and then draft a buttload of talent for each line.

I disagree with that tactic for the O Line. I think the only FA OL who could come in and contribute immediately would come from Atlanta. Our scheme is mighty hard to learn. Besides...our young O Linemen are chock full of talent. It's true, the late rounds do bring their fair share of duffers (people like, er, Josh Sewell. Or Tyler Whitely. Or Rob Hunt). But the last two drafts have seen us take Myers, Kuper and Eslinger (on top of acquiring Pears). I think we're pretty set there. Drafting a prospect LT is a must...but we can overhaul with some of the talent we have now.

[NickTranOwnz]

I say we need a big and strong DT. We have good DEs, they just need a DT to bring out their potential. Sorry I don't know any names, I don't know many players in NCAAF besides Hawaii's players.

[MindField]

The area in need of biggest improvement is pass rush....So I'm going with DE!

The Broncos DE's are back-ups. They are best coming in as wave players.

Dumervil? Please! He is a pass rush specialist ONLY.

The Broncos just don't have anyone other than Warren worth double teaming.

Best player available, and a DT...

Louisville's DT Amobi Okoye (6'1"-300+). He is quick as a cat and has amzing instincts for the game...

I also think he is going to move up the boards, so he may be out of reach before
it's over, ala DeMarcus Ware when he broke my heart moving up so far.

[jhns]

We need both so I don't care which we take in the first. I would like to see us take Carriker because I am a Nebraska fan and he is good but there are a ton of good d-linman in this draft and I'm sure we can get a couple in the first few rounds that are real good. I just think the first day should be RB and d-line. Unless one of our o-lineman retire, then we should also use a pick on that.

Really it is way to early to tell what we will want in the first round. If there is someone that can really help the team where we pick, and it isn't a d-lineman, I wouldn't care if they took them. We really do need to figure out the d-line this offseason though.

[Charlie Brown]

I know that he is unreliable, but when Courtney Brown plays, he is a beast. The problem is, (and was here in Cleveland) that he has a hard time staying healthy.

I agree with that statement. I never had a problem with Brown. He was always pretty quiet and did his job. But he has bones made of glass.

[MindField]

We need both so I don't care which we take in the first. I would like to see us take Carriker because I am a Nebraska fan and he is good but there are a ton of good d-linman in this draft and I'm sure we can get a couple in the first few rounds that are real good. I just think the first day should be RB and d-line. Unless one of our o-lineman retire, then we should also use a pick on that.

Really it is way to early to tell what we will want in the first round. If there is someone that can really help the team where we pick, and it isn't a d-lineman, I wouldn't care if they took them. We really do need to figure out the d-line this offseason though.


Carriker or Okoye; either would be fine with me.

[JoRo]

I for one really am hoping we pick up either Sands or Redding in FA. That way we got a few more options, our rotation is built so that all our players are fresh, but we had 3 dts. That is why Ekuban played DT in Nickle situations. Honestly I would prefer Sands, I don't know why but I think he has potential. That would free us up to pick up a D.E in the draft, someone like Woodley or maybe Moses.


That is the perfect world though, I doubt it falls like that.

[WABronco]

Why would Oakland let Sands get away? He doesn't figure to be uber-expensive, and he's a big part of their 3-man rotation (and one of those three is OLD).

[JoRo]

Why would Oakland let Sands get away? He doesn't figure to be uber-expensive, and he's a big part of their 3-man rotation (and one of those three is OLD).


He may not want to stay? they arent exactly starting him and he may wants more playing time elsewhere. Or maybe to win more than 2 games.