Over at..

[bjpenn]

the Texans site, they are confirming that a trade is almost final. we would send them Plummer,Bell, our 1st and 1st 3rd for their 8th pick. The only thing that still needs to be worked out is Jake's contract.

I think we are close!!

[Melo]

if we didnt include our 3rd round pick i think it might be worth it but it seems like were giving up too much

[Dream]

I don't believe this because the person who started a thread didn't even provide a link.

[BRONCOS_OWN_U16]

very intresting

we are giving up a boat load but hopefully its worth it

if it does happen lets hope shanny doesnt lose his mind and drafts a punter

[Chidoze]

very intresting

we are giving up a boat load but hopefully its worth it

if it does happen lets hope shanny doesnt lose his mind and drafts a punter

:laugh:

I can see it now......

Oh man did I score big time!!!!:rockon:

[BVP]

I don't believe this because the person who started a thread didn't even provide a link.

Same here. If there is no link, then how are we really gonna believe all this. :coffee:

[BigBroncLove]

I checked out the Texans official site for any hint of the trade going through. I found nothing, zilch, nada. Now I'm not saying it isn't possible that this trade isn't going through, but at this time the Texans site does not, I REPEAT DOES NOT, have a story confirming trade talks are even being considered by Houston.

Here is a link to the Texans official site. This link specifically is for their news section.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/index.php?section=News

[bjpenn]

It was someone from their MESSAGE BOARD.

[tommy1986]

Oh man I would be so psyched if that trade goes through.

[4th Amigo]

And from what I can tell, they don't even have a message board. I think this guy is just trying to stir things up.........

[tommy1986]

And from what I can tell, they don't even have a message board. I think this guy is just trying to stir things up.........

http://forums.houstontexans.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

[bjpenn]

Go on other NFL teams on this site. Click on the first Houston Texans message board and look around. Im not trying to stir things up, it's being talked about.

[BVP]

Go on other NFL teams on this site. Click on the first Houston Texans message board and look around. Im not trying to stir things up, it's being talked about.

Its probably just a rumor then. :coffee:

[Bama_Bronco]

How much cap room would the deal open up?

[BigBroncLove]

Go on other NFL teams on this site. Click on the first Houston Texans message board and look around. Im not trying to stir things up, it's being talked about.

Okay, just to avoid further confusion down the road if something like this falls in your lap bj and you want to share it, please be sure to say the on the Texan forums, not the Texans site. This would avoid a lot of confusion.

Also, I have not looked at the thread, but I would beware of forum talk. It's just as bad as gossip sometimes between school girls :D. Thanks for letting us all know though BJ.

[BigBroncLove]

Alright I checked it out at the Houston site, and it sounds to be all conjecture so far. The creator of the thread did not provide a link, and many of their knowledgable fans who have been tracking both Houstons media and Denvers media have seen nothing to confirm this.

Sounds like inuendo to me..... Still, it is interesting. The deal that is being suggested as "close" to becoming a real deal is....

Broncos 1st rounder in 2007
Broncos 1st, 3rd rounder in 2007 (the Redskins 3rd round pick we acquired)
Jake Plummer
Tatum Bell

For......

Texans #8 overall pick

EDIT: The creator of the thread also said it was reported by Denver's media :goofy: defenite BS if you ask me.....

[BRONCOS_OWN_U16]

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=35538

heres the thread for the curious

[Spice 1]

the Texans site, they are confirming that a trade is almost final. we would send them Plummer,Bell, our 1st and 1st 3rd for their 8th pick. The only thing that still needs to be worked out is Jake's contract.

I think we are close!!

Or here's a better idea. Let's trade all of our picks for a bag of skittles. I'd rather eat skittles than watch the draft anyway.

[underrated29]

imo thats way to much to give up for the 8 overall, it might techincally work out on paper, value vise. but value to us there is no way. we need atleast something else in return.

sh1t send us dayne or something else.

but then again after i reevaluate we give up bell (2nd) 3rd from washington and our first to move up 13 slots, sounds good.

but it better be ap,okoyie or we then trade that #8 for like #15 and 2nd rdr or something

[BroncoBJ4MVP!!!]

It be alright. But I dont really listen to people who have 7 posts or so :laugh: like that guy on the Texans site had. If it was someone with 4000ish then i would believe it but i dont know. Thats just me. Plus i havn't heard anything around the Denver media saying that its almost a done deal :goofy:

[NickTranOwnz]

The guy only has 7 posts LAWL.

It would be a fair deal if they Texans threw in their 1st round picks for the next 4 seasons.

Maybe 5.

Nah more like all their 1st round picks in the future until Texans disband. Then we get all their money! :D

Our reasoning?

Jake's still got juice in him! and look at Tatum in the 1st half of the season!

[LDB]

I don't believe this because the person who started a thread didn't even provide a link.

If I was a Houston fan I would be extremely pissed if this deal went through. Carr is just as good as Plummer. Tatum Bell has shown that he cannot carry the load. They move back in the first and pick up an extra 3rd? Please.

Dan Snyder wouldn't even make this trade.

[Jared]

Go on other NFL teams on this site. Click on the first Houston Texans message board and look around. Im not trying to stir things up, it's being talked about.


We don't have a Houston Texans message board on this site under "Other NFL Teams".


:confused:

[Jaws]

We don't have a Houston Texans message board on this site under "Other NFL Teams".


:confused:

He's probably referring to the sticky in that forum:


http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=75908

[TR3Y]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2775871

A part of Clayton's article:

"One option that seems to be stalled at the moment is a trade for Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer. Plummer, who was close to Kubiak in Denver, has been replaced by Jay Cutler as the starting quarterback. Though Kubiak and Broncos coach Mike Shanahan are close, a Plummer trade doesn't appear to be close to happening.

Smith, in fact, wouldn't talk about Plummer on Thursday because he is property of the Broncos."

:coffee:

I hope it happens, but I am not holding my breath :salute:

[jhns]

It would put us in good position to get the best d-lineman we possibly can. I would love for that to land us Peterson, but the closer to the draft it gets, the less I think he will make it that far. Really, I don't see much of a point in trading up that high. It is going to be a pick that lands right after the best d-linemen are taken and Peterson. I think if we where to trade up, we would get better value around pick 14-16. There we could get Lynch or Carriker. If we where to move up to 8, we would almost need to trade up another couple of picks to get the guys we would be going after.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

very intresting

we are giving up a boat load but hopefully its worth it

if it does happen lets hope shanny doesnt lose his mind and drafts a punter


I can see it now...a Punter that runs a sub 4.4 40. At the press conference on his selection, Shanny starts his speech to the befuddled media with "Well, he's got great speed..."

How many times have I heard that one over the past five years as the explanation for why we drafted a guy? (Darrent, Foxy, Paymah, Tatum, Ashley, Watts, etc)

[HORSEPOWER 56]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2775871

A part of Clayton's article:

"One option that seems to be stalled at the moment is a trade for Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer. Plummer, who was close to Kubiak in Denver, has been replaced by Jay Cutler as the starting quarterback. Though Kubiak and Broncos coach Mike Shanahan are close, a Plummer trade doesn't appear to be close to happening.

Smith, in fact, wouldn't talk about Plummer on Thursday because he is property of the Broncos."

:coffee:

I hope it happens, but I am not holding my breath :salute:


Of course they're not talking about it, they'd get fined by the league for tampering. Teams aren't allowed to talk to, negotiate with, or court any players from another team if they are under contract or until free agency actually starts. The NFL is pretty strict on this.

[underrated29]

Of course they're not talking about it, they'd get fined by the league for tampering. Teams aren't allowed to talk to, negotiate with, or court any players from another team if they are under contract or until free agency actually starts. The NFL is pretty strict on this.


AND WHEN DOES THAT ACTually begin? fa i mean.

[jhns]

AND WHEN DOES THAT ACTually begin? fa i mean.

March 2

.

[EMB123903]

And from what I can tell, they don't even have a message board. I think this guy is just trying to stir things up.........


they have a message board, I cant find it though, I would definatly be hyped. Im going to search

[str8jacket]

they have a message board, I cant find it though, I would definatly be hyped. Im going to search
http://forums.houstontexans.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

It was posted on the first page....by Tommy i think

[str8jacket]

From the looks of some of the posts about Carr.....they don't want him to leave either. Then again some seem happy he may be gone

At least their own fans understand his situation

[EMB123903]

http://forums.houstontexans.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

It was posted on the first page....by Tommy i think


thanks alot

[str8jacket]

thanks alot
no problem

[JayCutler06]

i dont believe this is true. thats giving way to much for the 8th overall pick. plummer and bell at very least mid 3rd round value a piece. if this is true snanny got taken to the woodshed.

[str8jacket]

i dont believe this is true. thats giving way to much for the 8th overall pick. plummer and bell at very least mid 3rd round value a piece. if this is true snanny got taken to the woodshed.
I really can't say I can agree too much with your assessment.

If we had that one Franchise RB we so desperatly need (AP or Marshawn, take your pick) That could quite possibly put our offense in the top 3 Overall along with Indy and Cinci. then just patch up both Lines (Offense and Defense) and we could very well be on our way to a Superbowl :rockon:

[LDB]

Some of you guys are seriously overrating Plummer's and Bell's trade value.

[str8jacket]

Some of you guys are seriously overrating Plummer's and Bell's trade value.
Meh.

Throwing our first rounder at Houston only really makes the deal what it is.

I think Kubiak realizes he needs a transition QB and Plummer filled the role just fine. a Dayne/Bell combo can't hurt too bad either.

[jhns]

i dont believe this is true. thats giving way to much for the 8th overall pick. plummer and bell at very least mid 3rd round value a piece. if this is true snanny got taken to the woodshed.

It isn't giving up to much to get that high. The draft value chart is just a reference for them. If you are getting a team to move from #8 to #21 in the first round, they will expect a lot more than what the value chart says. Most trades in the first round always have the lower pick team giving up way more than what the draft value charts say.

I don't think we have a need to move that far up though. I have a feeling Peterson won't be there and neither will the top d-lineman. After that I would like to get Carriker or Lynch. Neither of those two are worth the #8 pick right now. If we tried to trade up from 8 to around 3 to get one of the top guys, it would cost us a lot more. I really don't think it would be worth it then, and I doubt any of those teams would be willing to trade.

[JayCutler06]

I really can't say I can agree too much with your assessment.

If we had that one Franchise RB we so desperatly need (AP or Marshawn, take your pick) That could quite possibly put our offense in the top 3 Overall along with Indy and Cinci. then just patch up both Lines (Offense and Defense) and we could very well be on our way to a Superbowl :rockon:

thats you oppinion, mine is thats way to much to give up in a very deep draft plummer and bell do have good value. i would give pick 21 plummer and bell thats it. if shanny does give up the high 3rd .hes getting taken to the woodshed .brsides say we do this trade and AP and hes gone and my bet hell be gone by pick 3 or 4 takeing lynch at 8 is to high. then you just screwed your self out of a high 3rd and another geat prospect

[redsandcowboy]

If we want to determine a value for plummer we can look at a lot of things and drop all the feelings you have about if you like him or not. Besides that he has a great winning record here or not it seems to me that the other teams that want him are going to help set this value.

In this case the texans seem to be asking a 3rd round pick for Carr. If this is true, then Plummer is worth at least that or better. :confused:


It does not make much since to trade one player for one you concider to be not as good. If the Texans want Plummer it is because they think He will help them more than what they have. That means if they want Plummer He is worth a very high 3rd but more so at least a second round pick.

I am not saying that any of these playes should be worth anything just looking at is logically from the information/ rumors we have been given. Am I wrong? :hammer:

[GuitarJ]

Not going to get into the..... "how good is Plummer debate"......but the fact is if we dont get a trade done, he will be cut. That alone makes his trade value very low. So considering that, I think we would do very well to make this trade........really, almost too good to be true

[GuitarJ]

Some of you guys are seriously overrating Plummer's and Bell's trade value.
Hey.........the voice of reason!!! :D

[redsandcowboy]

I am not trying to get into how good anyone is. JUST TRYING TO SAY IF SOMEONE TRADES FOR HIM and gives up something of the same to make there team better than it is logical that he is worht more than what they are giving up. It is simple logic. :hammer:

[redsandcowboy]

Hey.........the voice of reason!!! :D


So what you are saying is it is correct Reasoning that if the Texans get a 3rd for carss and trade us for plummer he still is worht less than Carr.

That is not the voice of reason.


As I originally said. Not trying to say how good anybody is just use some logic, which may be to much to ask, on how the value of some one would be determined in a trade situation.

We all know tyhat this is far from being an actual trade but everyone is arguing value without looking at the possible facts. If carr only brings a 4th or 5th then plummers value could be considered less.

Just trying to compare apples to apples. You need to compare each situation to make a complete analysis.

[Alps2315]

very intresting

we are giving up a boat load but hopefully its worth it

if it does happen lets hope shanny doesnt lose his mind and drafts a punter


Only the Raiders would do that.

[GuitarJ]

So what you are saying is it is correct Reasoning that if the Texans get a 3rd for carss and trade us for plummer he still is worht less than Carr.

Who said that Carr is worth a 3rd :confused: I sure didnt.
Carr is younger though, so he probably will bring more than Plummer

That is not the voice of reason.
LDB has a lot of good input here.....so I definitly disagree


As I originally said. Not trying to say how good anybody is just use some logic, which may be to much to ask, on how the value of some one would be determined in a trade situation.
Pot calling the kettle black. :goofy:

We all know tyhat this is far from being an actual trade but everyone is arguing value without looking at the possible facts. If carr only brings a 4th or 5th then plummers value could be considered less.
That I do agree with :D

Just trying to compare apples to apples. You need to compare each situation to make a complete analysis.
It is not too hard. Jake will be cut or traded. Teams will wait it out before they give too much for him.

[fraguela09]

First of all... we are giving up WAY too much here... Our 1st 3rd round pick is almost like a late 2nd round selection. Add that to Bell, Plummer AND our 1st rounder?

THE ONLY WAY THIS PICK GOES DOWN... is if ON DRAFT DAY... while Texans are on the clock, AP is still available... THEN AND ONLY THEN would Shanny consider giving up the house!

I would rather trade Bell and Plummer (and Foster) and get picks... This is such a deep draft... I want picks! BUT... if AP is there... my, it's tempting!

[GuitarJ]

An early third is not nearly enough points to move from 21 to 8. And.....yes, you guys overrate Plummer and Bell's trade value.

[JayCutler06]

An early third is not nearly enough points to move from 21 to 8. And.....yes, you guys overrate Plummer and Bell's trade value.



hmm a 1000 yard back and a qb that knows the system has the 4th highest winning percentage in the leaguea mong active qb . plummer and bell do have trade value. no team is going to want to wait til june 1st to get there qb

[redsandcowboy]

hmm a 1000 yard back and a qb that knows the system has the 4th highest winning percentage in the leaguea mong active qb . plummer and bell do have trade value. no team is going to want to wait til june 1st to get there qb


Now this is a voice of reason.

Not just stating feelings but using facts to come to his value. But it still all depends on who wants them to completely place a value to them. Do not overlook a team wanting them in their system at mini camps. Look at the QB's that where trsded last year when everyone knew they would be relesed. They still managed to get good vsalue for them. It will be interesting to see how this all works out.we prob are a month or more out before actually seeing any actual tradeds.

[JayCutler06]

Now this is a voice of reason.

Not just stating feelings but using facts to come to his value. But it still all depends on who wants them to completely place a value to them. Do not overlook a team wanting them in their system at mini camps. Look at the QB's that where trsded last year when everyone knew they would be relesed. They still managed to get good vsalue for them. It will be interesting to see how this all works out.we prob are a month or more out before actually seeing any actual tradeds.


i think jake does have more value then people want to admit. weather you like him or not jake won alot of games for us. if bell was a free agent he would get alot of attinion cause GMs would fall in love with his speed and his homerun abuilty.

[CinnaMunMun]

Texans 8th pick is worth 1400 points.

Our 21st: 800, our pick #70: 240. So that would mean that Tatum and Jake would have to equal 360 points total, or roughly two mid 3rd rounders.

I suppose it is possible, but unlikely. Jake might get that value, but I doubt it since similar trades over previous years make it seem we would only get a 4th tops for an aging and recently failing player.

Tatum worth a 3rd also might be a stretch. He barely cracked 1000 yards, he's ranked at #31 out of 53 RBs in DPAR, #30 in DVOA, and #44 in success rate (meaning he can't get tough yards). He fumbles at the worst times, has a history of getting banged up, doesn't break enough tackles, and is bad in the red zone. Right now all he has going for him is his homerun threat, which he fell back a little in too (dropping from 10 +20 plays last year to 7 this year).

So the value might be there, but I doubt it.

[stnzed]

i dont believe this is true. thats giving way to much for the 8th overall pick. plummer and bell at very least mid 3rd round value a piece. if this is true snanny got taken to the woodshed.


Would you trade Plummer, Bell, Lelie and Chris Cole for a top ten pick?

I sure as hell would!

It's not too much, imo.

And it's a pretty realistic comparison. Lelie was drafted 19th overall, Cole 70th. That's what Denver could end up with with the 21st and 70th in this years draft.

Fact is it won't be enough. (Or at least I don't think it will)

[JayCutler06]

Would you trade Plummer, Bell, Lelie and Chris Cole for a top ten pick?

I sure as hell would!

It's not too much, imo.

And it's a pretty realistic comparison. Lelie was drafted 19th overall, Cole 70th. That's what Denver could end up with with the 21st and 70th in this years draft.

Fact is it won't be enough. (Or at least I don't think it will)

people on these boards way underrate plummer and tbell value .both of them they are both worth 3rd round pick plummer might be worth a 2nd or high 3rd. like him or not plummer has the 4th highest winning percentes in the league amough active QBs since hes been in denver in the same system. that in its self has alot of value. if shanny gives 21 pick, the high 3rd and bell and plummer thats way to much for the 8 pick. now if he gives up 21 and plummer and bell that a goood trade. the dolphins gave up a secound round pick for Colpepper with his horrible knee injury. plummer has alot of value when you look at past trades

[JetterIsBetter]

people on these boards way underrate plummer and tbell value .both of them they are both worth 3rd round pick plummer might be worth a 2nd or high 3rd. like him or not plummer has the 4th highest winning percentes in the league amough active QBs since hes been in denver in the same system. that in its self has alot of value. if shanny gives 21 pick, the high 3rd and bell and plummer thats way to much for the 8 pick. now if he gives up 21 and plummer and bell that a goood trade. the dolphins gave up a secound round pick for Colpepper with his horrible knee injury. plummer has alot of value when you look at past trades

oh so true, when was carr's last winning season? Dominick davis-williams hasnt had 1000 yards since 04, with 300 carries. Bell got 1000 with 70 carries less. Just because these guys dont meet bronco standards doesnt mean they cant help a struggling team that needs upgrades at alot of positions.

[GuitarJ]

A NEW CARR
After watching the college quarterbacks this weekend and further assessing the potential free-agent class, the Houston Texans came away even more convinced that David Carr will be their quarterback this season.

Up until now, the Texans have said they would listen to offers for Carr, but never have committed to trading him. And upon further review, Texans officials now believe that Carr is their best alternative and they won't be making a trade for Denver's Jake Plummer or any other quarterback.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10021837


This could spell the end of these Jake and Tatum to Houston rumors. It really does make sense. What gain would there be for them to trade away Carr and bring in Plummer? Yes, I know Plummer has a winning record here in Denver, but we know he didnt in Arizona......and he was younger then.

Jake could still wind up in Houston after he gets cut though, and then be the backup. :D Or......He just might retire (not saying he will). Wouldnt that free up some cap space?

[tsiguy96]

this isnt all about getting maximum value for your players...its also about us clearing cap space in the future by getting rid of these high dollar players who dont produce ASAP

[redsandcowboy]

A NEW CARR
After watching the college quarterbacks this weekend and further assessing the potential free-agent class, the Houston Texans came away even more convinced that David Carr will be their quarterback this season.

Up until now, the Texans have said they would listen to offers for Carr, but never have committed to trading him. And upon further review, Texans officials now believe that Carr is their best alternative and they won't be making a trade for Denver's Jake Plummer or any other quarterback.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10021837


This could spell the end of these Jake and Tatum to Houston rumors. It really does make sense. What gain would there be for them to trade away Carr and bring in Plummer? Yes, I know Plummer has a winning record here in Denver, but we know he didnt in Arizona......and he was younger then.

Jake could still wind up in Houston after he gets cut though, and then be the backup. :D Or......He just might retire (not saying he will). Wouldnt that free up some cap space?

Wouldnt that free up some cap space? :confused:

NO more than a trade would. :confused:

[TDMiller2]

As far as the draft, RB Adrian Peterson appears to be the favorite for the team's pick at No. 3 should they stay put. That being said, rumors are running rampant that the Houston Texans are interested in moving up the draft board for a shot at Peterson and could propose a trade to the Browns that would send starting QB David Carr and draft picks to Cleveland for the No. 3 position.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/bengals/2007/02/26/ddn022607bigconweb.html

[redsandcowboy]

Nice find. but now you will just start the threads of lets move up to 3 spot

[GuitarJ]

I am not familiar with Big C of Dayton.....

I'll stay with rumormongorer Schefter........he has proven to be correct most of the time, as he quotes actual sources

[GuitarJ]

Wouldnt that free up some cap space? :confused:

NO more than a trade would. :confused:
So you are saying if a player retires before his contract is up, it still counts against the cap?

Not trying to be smart, I just would like to know.......Thoughts anybody?

[redsandcowboy]

So you are saying if a player retires before his contract is up, it still counts against the cap?

Not trying to be smart, I just would like to know.......Thoughts anybody?


Unless I am totally confused, Yes. Not the whole contract but it counts the same as if we trade him.

[redsandcowboy]

So you are saying if a player retires before his contract is up, it still counts against the cap?

Not trying to be smart, I just would like to know.......Thoughts anybody?


Sorry Let me expand.

If a players retires all his prorated contract comes due just as if we trade or release him. It all plays out about the same. I may be wrong on the trade but it plays the same as if we release him for sure.

[GuitarJ]

Yes, that makes sense.

[Charlie Brown]

As far as the draft, RB Adrian Peterson appears to be the favorite for the team's pick at No. 3 should they stay put. That being said, rumors are running rampant that the Houston Texans are interested in moving up the draft board for a shot at Peterson and could propose a trade to the Browns that would send starting QB David Carr and draft picks to Cleveland for the No. 3 position.


http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/bengals/2007/02/26/ddn022607bigconweb.html

I highly doubt that would happen and I myself am totally against that idea. Carr is damaged goods.

[Wigglesworth]

The value of this trade isn't in Denver using the #8 pick. It's in the bargining potential that pick gives us. I'm sure that Shanny knows that there will be no one we want at #8 that we couldn't get at a lower position. My guess is he makes this trade with the Texans and then trades back on draft day to aquire more 2nd and 3rd rounders. We'll still get what we want in the top 15 or so in the first round and have one or two extras in the 2nd and 3rd.

Benefit for the Broncos: move up into the top 15 in the 1st and get a couple of extras in later rounds.

Benefit for the Texans: get a transition qb that can actually avoid some sacks and a rb to compliment Dayne.

Overall I think that this strategy puts Denver on the plus side of such a deal.

[GuitarJ]

Benefit for the Broncos: move up into the top 15 in the 1st and get a couple of extras in later rounds.


By all means, If we can get value for these unwanted (or unhappy) players, then lets get it.

[lex]

If Denver wants to trade up thats cool but Im not really that enamored with Marshawn Lynch. I think Denver might be better off targeting one of the RBs in next years class if they cant get Peterson this year. They can pick up someone in the 3rd round this year and continue with the platoon system but if they cant get Peterson they might as well hold off til next year and address other areas this year.

[redsandcowboy]

The value of this trade isn't in Denver using the #8 pick. It's in the bargining potential that pick gives us. I'm sure that Shanny knows that there will be no one we want at #8 that we couldn't get at a lower position. My guess is he makes this trade with the Texans and then trades back on draft day to aquire more 2nd and 3rd rounders. We'll still get what we want in the top 15 or so in the first round and have one or two extras in the 2nd and 3rd.

Benefit for the Broncos: move up into the top 15 in the 1st and get a couple of extras in later rounds.

Benefit for the Texans: get a transition qb that can actually avoid some sacks and a rb to compliment Dayne.

Overall I think that this strategy puts Denver on the plus side of such a deal.

I have said in one other thread that I think that the most likey that if we do trade with Houston it will be involving their 2nd or 3rd round pick. and not with their 1st.

Who knows what are thinking is with Tatum now, but he may be off the trade block. we will have to see. But I like the Idead of their 2nd more than I do the 1st anyway. we loose les and gain more. We still might even move down with our 1st and have 3 2nd round picks or something. We never know this is all speculation on my part. I just remember last year when we were said to be trading with 49ers our 2 first rounders for their 4th overall. But we ended up trading one of our firsts for aditional picks. Who knows.