Plummer to Houston? And more restructuring.

[evendelae]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5285585

Jake to Houston? Texans won't say
By Mike Klis and Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writers
Article Launched: 02/23/2007 01:00:00 AM MST


Indianapolis - Assumptions often lead to perceptions in the NFL.

When Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer struggled with consistency in 2006, it was assumed he missed former offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, who left to become head coach of the Houston Texans.

And because Plummer lost his starting job to rookie Jay Cutler, the perception is Broncos coach Mike Shanahan will trade Plummer to Houston, where he can be reunited with Kubiak.

"I don't know if me not being there had anything to do with what you just said," Kubiak said Thursday. "I think Jake's a fine football player. He's a great person. He's had a great career. You all know I think a lot of him.

"But I know the young man they have there now, I know Mike thinks a great deal of him. When Mike makes a decision like that it tells you how much confidence he has in Cutler."

Yes, but will Houston acquire Plummer?

"Jake Plummer is under contract with the Denver Broncos," said Houston general manager Rick Smith, a former Broncos executive. "Right now, David Carr is our quarterback."

Restructuring Warren

The Broncos are trying to rework defensive tackle Gerard Warren's contract. While the plan is in the early stages, if Warren does not agree to a restructuring that will cut his pay, it could lead to him being released.

Warren signed a six-year, $36 million deal last March. Warren wasn't as effective in 2006 as he was in 2005, but he played with two toe injuries.

In addition to Warren, Denver could get more salary-cap room by trading or releasing Plummer, and redoing the contracts of receiver Rod Smith and possibly defensive linemen Ebenezer Ekuban, Kenard Lang and Courtney Brown.

Footnotes

Broncos running backs coach Bobby Turner remains a candidate for the Dolphins offensive coordinator position. ... Special- teams captain Keith Burns is weighing his options whether to try to play another year or retire. Burns is expected to go into coaching. ... Rod Smith is entering the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame tonight.

They're bringing him in. That was such a great non-answer I'll be shocked if it doesn't happpen. And I'm glad about the restructuring. Warren just didn't play all that well last year.

[DenBronx]

personally i think kubiak is going to make a deal to bring in plummer and tatum. when, is the answer. i have a strong feeling that both sides want to wait and see what is at the combine first. i think they will wait until post combine to make this trade.

however, i do think plummer,bell or first and high 3rd is too much for the 8th pick. but if it happens i wont be sad. i have a strong feeling that shanny wants to swing for the fences to get AD. the texans imo should also toss in a player bugt this trade is very likely to happen.

also, we need to create as much cap room as possible by cutting dead weight players like brown,myers,ekuban,alexander,plummer,bell and a few others. then there are plenty that need to restructure like smith,warren,lynch,lang,nalen and lepsis. after this we should be players to pick up a guy like kerney or and possibly graham.

[HORSEPOWER 56]

"The Broncos are trying to rework defensive tackle Gerard Warren's contract. While the plan is in the early stages, if Warren does not agree to a restructuring that will cut his pay, it could lead to him being released.

Warren signed a six-year, $36 million deal last March. Warren wasn't as effective in 2006 as he was in 2005, but he played with two toe injuries."


It's like Trevor Pryce syndrome all over again. "Big Money" gets his big payday and then doesn't perform to potential. Why does this sound so familiar? :mad:

[JoRo]

I know its selfish but for our sake I hope the Dolphins take someone other than Turner for their OC

[BroncoAV06]

More QB News (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2775871)

Here is an artical from ESPN, Clayton on Carr and some combine stuff!

[SM19]

Oh boy.

I can understand wanting Warren to take a cut, but we're playing with fire here. If we end up cutting him because he won't play for less, and we let Myers test the market, we could very well end up with no DTs who are even barely competent.

[ckstorm182000]

Congrats to Rod for being put into the Arkansas Hall of Fame!!!

[Dream]

If Warren is released (unlikely) it's a guarantee we draft heavy on line. We'd have Demetrin Veal and Antwon Burton essentially.

[Mat'hir Uth Gan]

*#$# Gerrard Warren. He is a waste of space. Why we gave a huge contract to him, I'll never know.

[TheWookieeBronco]

Seriously, signing Warren to a 6 year deal was a big mistake. I mean who's smart idea was that? I would like to keep Warren but his contract defintley needs restructuring and I am glad the Broncos are doing that.

[MilitantDBFan]

I dont think we will be able to move up to the 8th Spot. I think the deal for Jake, Tatum and a future 3rd would more than Likely bring us the texans 2nd Round pick.

we would have...

21st Overall Pick - Best Player Available - WR, DB, DE, RB
39th Overall Pick - Brandon Merriweather
56th Overall Pick - Kenny Irons
70th OVerall Pick - Marcus Thomas
86th Overall Pick - Best Offensive Lineman

sign Daniel Graham, and Possibly Kerney, and we are good to go.

On the first day

[DenBronx]

Seriously, signing Warren to a 6 year deal was a big mistake. I mean who's smart idea was that? I would like to keep Warren but his contract defintley needs restructuring and I am glad the Broncos are doing that.


its mind boggling to see the broncos dish out money so unwisely. i mean you dont pay guys like hayward or berry but you give it to a fat bloke. :confused:

purely amazing!

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

"The Broncos are trying to rework defensive tackle Gerard Warren's contract. While the plan is in the early stages, if Warren does not agree to a restructuring that will cut his pay, it could lead to him being released.

Warren signed a six-year, $36 million deal last March. Warren wasn't as effective in 2006 as he was in 2005, but he played with two toe injuries."


It's like Trevor Pryce syndrome all over again. "Big Money" gets his big payday and then doesn't perform to potential. Why does this sound so familiar? :mad:
The sad thing is that Warren has never reached to his expected play yet we still signed him to a huge contract.

[lex]

If Denver trades up to #8 with Plummer, Bell and the #21, its as much about clearing cap space to sign Kerney (since theyll no longer have the #21). Still though, if youre going to make the move, you might as well go after Peterson and Im not confident he'll be available at #8.

[broncolee]

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They're bringing him in. That was such a great non-answer I'll be shocked if it doesn't happpen. And I'm glad about the restructuring. Warren just didn't play all that well last year.

Nothing Kubiak said proves that the Texans are going to trade for Plummer. If we can trade Plummer to the Texans and get something of value for him, great. I used to think that we would be better off declaring Plummer a June 1 cut and create cap space to sign FAs and draft picks. I think I'm beginning to hope more for a trade. That will get Plummer off the books after this year and hopefully that will be better for us in the long run. I doubt that any deal with Texans involves us getting the #8 pick though. I just can't see a team as bad as the Texans being willing to trade down to the #21 pick. Plummer, T. Bell and a 3rd round pick just aren't worth it.

Don't count on Warren being cut if he refuses to restructure. He has the leverage. We don't have anyone behind him that's better. A draft pick isn't likely to come in and have much of an impact, especially if we would have to have two rookies at DT since there's a good chance Myers will find a better deal with another team. :salute:

[BroncoStampede]

*#$# Gerrard Warren. He is a waste of space. Why we gave a huge contract to him, I'll never know.

I remember when he was given that contract and you were basically the leader of the pack when it came to speaking out about how bad that deal was for the Broncos.

I was right there with you, Warren played capably but didnt deserve a contract with 6 years and all that money. Now already this is coming back to bite us.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

personally i think kubiak is going to make a deal to bring in plummer and tatum. when, is the answer. i have a strong feeling that both sides want to wait and see what is at the combine first. i think they will wait until post combine to make this trade.

however, i do think plummer,bell or first and high 3rd is too much for the 8th pick. but if it happens i wont be sad. i have a strong feeling that shanny wants to swing for the fences to get AD. the texans imo should also toss in a player bugt this trade is very likely to happen.

also, we need to create as much cap room as possible by cutting dead weight players like brown,myers,ekuban,alexander,plummer,bell and a few others. then there are plenty that need to restructure like smith,warren,lynch,lang,nalen and lepsis. after this we should be players to pick up a guy like kerney or and possibly graham.I agree with you also I would not give up Tatum and Plummer for the eighth pick,maybe Jake and a third round or second rounder.We can save Tatum and Foster for another trade with another team .

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

"The Broncos are trying to rework defensive tackle Gerard Warren's contract. While the plan is in the early stages, if Warren does not agree to a restructuring that will cut his pay, it could lead to him being released.

Warren signed a six-year, $36 million deal last March. Warren wasn't as effective in 2006 as he was in 2005, but he played with two toe injuries."


It's like Trevor Pryce syndrome all over again. "Big Money" gets his big payday and then doesn't perform to potential. Why does this sound so familiar? :mad: The guy is overpaid,if he dont except less the cut his a.....

[lex]

I agree with you also I would not give up Tatum and Plummer for the eighth pick,maybe Jake and a third round or second rounder.We can save Tatum and Foster for another trade with another team .

If you were Houston, would you give up the #8 pick for Jake Plummer and a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe you would but I think most wouldnt. Teams value draft picks too much and Jake actually has a big price tag.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

If you were Houston, would you give up the #8 pick for Jake Plummer and a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe you would but I think most wouldnt. Teams value draft picks too much and Jake actually has a big price tag.A lot of draft picks are Flops,but these are proven players in the league lol

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[QUOTE=MilitantDBFan]I dont think we will be able to move up to the 8th Spot. I think the deal for Jake, Tatum and a future 3rd would more than Likely bring us the texans 2nd Round pick.
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Who on earth would trade all of that for a second round pick. We might as well just cut em. 2 players and a 3rd rounder. If that's the case trade Jake to the Texans for a 3rd, trade Tatum somewhere else for a 4th. Then try to package those 2 picks together to get in the 2nd and keep our 3rd.

[lex]

A lot of draft picks are Flops,but these are proven players in the league lol

It doesnt always work like that. Teams value their draft picks.

[draco193]

I dont think we will be able to move up to the 8th Spot. I think the deal for Jake, Tatum and a future 3rd would more than Likely bring us the texans 2nd Round pick.

we would have...

21st Overall Pick - Best Player Available - WR, DB, DE, RB
39th Overall Pick - Brandon Merriweather
56th Overall Pick - Kenny Irons
70th OVerall Pick - Marcus Thomas
86th Overall Pick - Best Offensive Lineman

sign Daniel Graham, and Possibly Kerney, and we are good to go.

On the first day

No way Kenny Irons falls to the third, and if we take a WR or a Db in the first, I will throw something through the TV.

Also, depending on how much you see Jake and Tatum as worth, it should probably be able to put us at the 8th pick, as discussed in numerous other threads here.

[Overalls]

A lot of draft picks are Flops,but these are proven players in the league lol


It is not like they are proven great players. At most you can say they are alright players. What we can get with the 8th pick COULD be a super star.

[22cannon]

I don't know what rock you guys have been living under, but 36mil over 6 years is not a large contract for a defensive lineman

[Broncosinindy]

I don't know what rock you guys have been living under, but 36mil over 6 years is not a large contract for a defensive linemanfranchise tag is worth. 6.7 million for a DT Do the math

[stnzed]

Oh boy.

I can understand wanting Warren to take a cut, but we're playing with fire here. If we end up cutting him because he won't play for less, and we let Myers test the market, we could very well end up with no DTs who are even barely competent.


This is so true...And since Warren and his agent probably know this too, I doubt there will be a paycut.

Meaning the Broncos could be screwed.....Meaning Shanahan has made yet another huge mistake. (This is seriously getting old!)

[SM19]

The worst part is that the market for DTs is so slow, Warren might get an even bigger contract somewhere else. The only way he'd take a pay cut is if he desperately wanted to stay in Denver. I wouldn't count on that.

[NeedDLinemen]

As per usual this is all being blown out of proportion by an article from that dimwit Williamson. Klis should also know better. There's no way on earth Warren will be cut. He's due a roster bonus of $2.7m which basically means Denver will turn that into a signing bonus and prorate it over the length of his contract thus saving about $2m or thereabouts on his cap number this year. Warren doesn't lose a cent. He still gets the money on the same date.

Simply woeful reporting once again from these idiots.