Greg Olsen > Daniel Graham

[portis26hb]

By far. Dont know why everyone is hypebeasting Graham. hes 29 and hasnt started a whole season in his career. besides 1 good year in 04, he rarely gets in the endzone. Why spend money on this guy who will not be on the roster in 3 years instead of drafting Greg Olsen who will be a star for the next 10 years? Graham is a decent TE and is barely an upgrade over Schefler. Great idea it was to spend a 2nd rounder on Schefler and now try and sign Graham. Forget them both, get Olsen, and get a TE who will be an impact.

[AZdenverfan]

not signing graham is one thing, but to say forget scheffler is pretty crazy after seeing the chemistry he has developed with cutler in such a short time. he was invisible with plummer playing, and we put cutler in and scheffler is just starting to take off. there's no way we just "forget" him now. if we can pair him with graham, that's a great 2 TE set that we will have for years to come, just like in the sharpe and carswell days.

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

By far. Dont know why everyone is hypebeasting Graham. hes 29 and hasnt started a whole season in his career. besides 1 good year in 04, he rarely gets in the endzone. Why spend money on this guy who will not be on the roster in 3 years instead of drafting Greg Olsen who will be a star for the next 10 years? Graham is a decent TE and is barely an upgrade over Schefler. Great idea it was to spend a 2nd rounder on Schefler and now try and sign Graham. Forget them both, get Olsen, and get a TE who will be an impact.

Daniel Graham won't cost us a 1st round pick...

And oh yeah, we mainly want Graham as a BLOCKING TE, something that Olsen doesn't know ANYTHING about.

[portis26hb]

Daniel Graham won't cost us a 1st round pick...

And oh yeah, we mainly want Graham as a BLOCKING TE, something that Olsen doesn't know ANYTHING about.

Yea Graham wont cost us a 1st round pick but hell cost us the same money we would pay Olsen.

But yea youre right, why would we want a TE who runs the 40 faster than WRs and catches everything that comes near him when we can Daniel Graham the great pass blocker!

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

Yea Graham wont cost us a 1st round pick but hell cost us the same money we would pay Olsen.

But yea youre right, why would we want a TE who runs the 40 faster than WRs and catches everything that comes near him when we can Daniel Graham the great pass blocker!I have a feelin if we sign Graham thats the end of Alexander and Rod Smith

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

But yea youre right, why would we want a TE who runs the 40 faster than WRs and catches everything that comes near him when we can Daniel Graham the great pass blocker!

Because we already have a player like that in Scheffler... Why would we want two of them?

[portis26hb]

Because we already have a player like that in Scheffler... Why would we want two of them?

Are you really comparing Tony Scheffler to Greg Olsen? I guess you see Kyle Brady and Jeremy Shockey as equals also?

[Javalon]

Yea Graham wont cost us a 1st round pick but hell cost us the same money we would pay Olsen.

But yea youre right, why would we want a TE who runs the 40 faster than WRs and catches everything that comes near him when we can Daniel Graham the great pass blocker!
We already have our pass-catching tight end in Scheffler. Graham is a fantastic blocker and pretty good receiver. It's a perfect combo for our two-TE sets. And don't underestimate the need for a tight end who can really block.

Olsen would be overkill. He would also use a high draft pick that could be used on an area of dire need that isn't going to be addressed in free agency now that Kerney signed with the Seahawks.

Also, Olsen isn't necessarily a sure thing. Vernon Davis wowed the hell out of everybody with all his measurables and workouts but we still don't know if he's going to be a good pro or not. Olsen isn't being hyped nearly as much as Davis was, or even Kellen Winslow Jr., so maybe he's not quite a guaranteed success.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

Denver is a TE passing team,ita just that we havent had a dependable one since Shannan Sharpe.I hope we do sign Graham.Im ready for the draft hurry up Dam! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[portis26hb]

We already have our pass-catching tight end in Scheffler. Graham is a fantastic blocker and pretty good receiver. It's a perfect combo for our two-TE sets. And don't underestimate the need for a tight end who can really block.

Olsen would be overkill. He would also use a high draft pick that could be used on an area of dire need that isn't going to be addressed in free agency now that Kerney signed with the Seahawks.

Also, Olsen isn't necessarily a sure thing. Vernon Davis wowed the hell out of everybody with all his measurables and workouts but we still don't know if he's going to be a good pro or not. Olsen isn't being hyped nearly as much as Davis was, or even Kellen Winslow Jr., so maybe he's not quite a guaranteed success.

LOL, you arent sure if Vernon Davis is going to be a good pro?

[Javalon]

LOL, you arent sure if Vernon Davis is going to be a good pro?
Nope. He's got the physical tools but he still hasn't proven he can be a dominant tight end in the pros. So far he's just been okay.

The proof is in the pudding.

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

Are you really comparing Tony Scheffler to Greg Olsen? I guess you see Kyle Brady and Jeremy Shockey as equals also?

No, but my point is, we have a guy like Olsen in Scheffler, why would we want two TEs that can't block?

We already invested a 2nd round pick in Scheffler, there's no way we waste a 1st on Greg Olsen, especially when we're in the perfect situation to move up and grab an impact defensive linemen/impact safety

[portis26hb]

No, but my point is, we have a guy like Olsen in Scheffler, why would we want two TEs that can't block?

We already invested a 2nd round pick in Scheffler, there's no way we waste a 1st on Greg Olsen, especially when we're in the perfect situation to move up and grab an impact defensive linemen/impact safety

Scheffler is still raw and ungroomed, he can learn or be replaced ala Wesley Duke. Elite receiving TEs are a rarity. The 49ers had a fine TE in Johnson, but you dont settle for players who will do fine when you can insert a star.

[Javalon]

Scheffler is still raw and ungroomed, he can learn or be replaced ala Wesley Duke. Elite receiving TEs are a rarity. The 49ers had a fine TE in Johnson, but you dont settle for players who will do fine when you can insert a star.
Johnson was coming off his second missed season due to injury in three years. He couldn't be counted on and so tight end was a need for them. And sure enough, he didn't play all of '06 either.

But none of that matters. The Broncos won't be drafting Olsen so you might as well not get your hopes up.

Later.

[portis26hb]

Johnson was coming off his second missed season due to injury in three years. He couldn't be counted on and so tight end was a need for them. And sure enough, he didn't play all of '06 either.

But none of that matters. The Broncos won't be drafting Olsen so you might as well not get your hopes up.

Later.

But they had multiple needs, why didnt they draft one of the other stud prospects? Oh, its because Vernon Davis is a sure thing, much like Olsen will be.

I dont expect the Broncos to draft Olsen, I expect them to sign Graham and cut him in 2 years when its time for his bonus, while Olsen is voted to his 1st pro bowl.

[BroncoSexyDaddy]

Johnson was coming off his second missed season due to injury in three years. He couldn't be counted on and so tight end was a need for them. And sure enough, he didn't play all of '06 either.

But none of that matters. The Broncos won't be drafting Olsen so you might as well not get your hopes up.

Later.I say he drafts a punter the first pick :D

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

Scheffler is still raw and ungroomed, he can learn or be replaced ala Wesley Duke. Elite receiving TEs are a rarity. The 49ers had a fine TE in Johnson, but you dont settle for players who will do fine when you can insert a star.

Scheffler really came into his own when Cutler came in...

Oh and... Scheffler had a better season than your beloved Vernon Davis

[portis26hb]

Scheffler really came into his own when Cutler came in...

Oh and... Scheffler had a better season than your beloved Vernon Davis

That happens when you are not a threat and left alone and have a better QB/OL

[ReleaseTheBeast7]

That happens when you are not a threat and left alone and have a better QB/OL

Just shush... Vernon was Alex Smith's favorite target, but he just didn't put up the numbers... Your argument is dying.

[portis26hb]

Just shush... Vernon was Alex Smith's favorite target, but he just didn't put up the numbers... Your argument is dying.


Well you are clearly on top of your knowledge. I mean you couldnt possibly know that Eric Johnson, Frank Gore, Arnaz Battle, and Antonio Bryant had more receptions than Davis, but still say Davis was his favorite target right?

[lvbronx]

Yea Graham wont cost us a 1st round pick but hell cost us the same money we would pay Olsen.

But yea youre right, why would we want a TE who runs the 40 faster than WRs and catches everything that comes near him when we can Daniel Graham the great pass blocker!


Just so you know, Graham was rated much higher coming out of college than Olsen is.

Graham also played with another pretty good TE on the same team, Ben Watson. You remember him, he's the guy that chased down Champ in the playoff game. So, Graham had to share TE with Watson, which had a big impact on Graham's ability to put up stats. Not to mention, IMO he was under-utilized by Belichick.

And I'd rather have Graham AND and #1 (or #2) than Olsen ANYDAY.

Not to mention, Graham is a local kid whose dad Tom Graham is a former Bronco LB from the early 70s.

Higher rated + a #1 + a local kid done good >>>>> Olsen.

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[portis26hb]

Just so you know, Graham was rated much higher coming out of college than Olsen is.

Graham also played with another pretty good TE on the same team, Ben Watson. You remember him, he's the guy that chased down Champ in the playoff game. So, Graham had to share TE with Watson, which had a big impact on Graham's ability to put up stats. Not to mention, IMO he was under-utilized by Belichick.

And I'd rather have Graham AND and #1 (or #2) than Olsen ANYDAY.

Not to mention, Graham is a local kid whose dad Tom Graham is a former Bronco LB from the early 70s.

Higher rated + a #1 + a local kid done good >>>>> Olsen.

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PLEASE stop with the local this local that. Do you think they will care when they cut him in a few years to avoid paying him a bonus? Bet Watson is far better than Graham which is why New England had no use for him. Your argument is that Graham didn't do well because he was out shown by Watson? Well great, I guess we should make sure Scheffler doesn't get any better right?

[bjoli198]

why shouldn´t sheffler get better when he accually have someone to compete with for the #1 TE spot?

[Straz1999]

Are you really comparing Tony Scheffler to Greg Olsen? I guess you see Kyle Brady and Jeremy Shockey as equals also?


Yeah lets waste a first round pick on a tight end. Great idea. :rolleyes:

[TXBRONC]

But they had multiple needs, why didnt they draft one of the other stud prospects? Oh, its because Vernon Davis is a sure thing, much like Olsen will be.

I dont expect the Broncos to draft Olsen, I expect them to sign Graham and cut him in 2 years when its time for his bonus, while Olsen is voted to his 1st pro bowl.


Expect what you wish, but its only speculation until or even if it happens. Besides that we haven't signed the guy yet.

[jdhdiggs]

Hell, I mean picking up Graham is picking up a first round, top 15 TE. He pretty much counters all of your "sure fire star TE early in the first" arguments by himself.

Graham was a stud receiver coming out of college and he could be that again very easily. NE was just plain old dumb for picking him when they had Watson. We would have been just as dumb (or worse) to pick a TE in the first round this year with glaring holes in the D-line and saftey positions. I'd take a first round O-line, WR, or RB over a TE at this point.

This is a great pick up for 2 reasons: SD and NE. Graham will definately help Denver beat a 3-4 with a great front 7 a lot more than Scheffler, Olsen, or even VD would.

Just because he's more of a "Ben Coates" mold rather than a "Shannon Sharpe" mold doesn't mean he sucks. He's perfect for what the Broncos will be using him for.

[mxbronco13]

Are you really comparing Tony Scheffler to Greg Olsen? I guess you see Kyle Brady and Jeremy Shockey as equals also?

HEY Olson fanatic... why don't you stop stirring things up in here, watch Graham lead the way for T.Henry/rookie to blast through for a 40 yard gain, go watch Olson get laid on his @$$ by Patrick Kerney, and then ask for his autograph!

[portis26hb]

HEY Olson fanatic... why don't you stop stirring things up in here, watch Graham lead the way for T.Henry/rookie to blast through for a 40 yard gain, go watch Olson get laid on his @$$ by Patrick Kerney, and then ask for his autograph!

What are you like 15 years old?

[mxbronco13]

What are you like 15 years old?

hey your name serves you well... a cocky attitude just like Portis

[lvbronx]

PLEASE stop with the local this local that. Do you think they will care when they cut him in a few years to avoid paying him a bonus? Bet Watson is far better than Graham which is why New England had no use for him. Your argument is that Graham didn't do well because he was out shown by Watson? Well great, I guess we should make sure Scheffler doesn't get any better right?

Who are you to tell me who to root for? Daniel Graham is a local. Daniel Graham is a local. Daniel Graham is a local. Daniel Graham is a local.

And no use for him? You're too funny, you just make things up and offer it as "proof". I guess you don't follow that Pats too much. They've cut a lot of players that they had "use" for.

I NEVER said Graham didn't do well. I said his RECEIVING stats were impacted. But go ahead and make it up that I said he didn't do well, since facts and truth are something that you want to avoid.

Daniel Graham + a #1 is WAAAAAAAAAY better than Olsen. It isn't a straight up deal and you keep forgeting that FACT.

You want to make it into Graham vs. Olsen. But it is NOT Graham vs. Olsen. It is Graham PLUS a #1 vs. Olsen. Deal with the facts and quit trying to waste a #1.

Plus, it doesn't matter what you want. Shanny will have the last word. WORD.

[tpoz34]

We need Daniel Graham, because we have a Young QB, and we will be running alot of 2TE sets, with Graham most of the time staying in to Block.. Which will help, when playing teams like SD, and Colts. Also will help in the Red Zone, having an Extra Blocker or even onther Sure Handed TE, when the field starts to shrink! I think it would be a great pick up for Denver when looking at the big picture and the schem of things!!! :coffee:

[Jared]

Why are you all arguing with someone who still has Portis in their name?


How about lets talk about reality, not fantasy.

[BigJuan]

just a few things i want to add the reason that davis didnt have many catches is that he broke his leg and missed half a season

as a receiving te olsen will probaly be far better than graham but never close to graham as a blocker

but as a canes fan you cant compare olsen to shockey or winslow because they both block and are complete te while olsen isnt

would i take him any day of the weak but not until we fill our need for dl and safety if that gets done in free agency i say go for it and add dline help in the second round

[portis26hb]

Why are you all arguing with someone who still has Portis in their name?


How about lets talk about reality, not fantasy.


A grown man who still likes transformers wants to talk about reality. Oh the irony.

[portis26hb]

just a few things i want to add the reason that davis didnt have many catches is that he broke his leg and missed half a season

as a receiving te olsen will probaly be far better than graham but never close to graham as a blocker

but as a canes fan you cant compare olsen to shockey or winslow because they both block and are complete te while olsen isnt

would i take him any day of the weak but not until we fill our need for dl and safety if that gets done in free agency i say go for it and add dline help in the second round

Who says Olsen will be a bad blocker in the NFL? Do players not learn things from better coaches in the NFL?

[BigJuan]

who says i wont be a bad blocker in the nfl the can teach me too. the only thing the cant teach olsen a converted wr is to be able to play at his same level with another fifty pounds to be that dominate blocker

[muse]

It's not that he won't potentially get better. It's the fact that he will never be a GREAT blocker like Graham. Which is what we need. Having two receiving TEs on the same team with barely adequate blocking skills in not what we need.

[tommy1986]

A grown man who still likes transformers wants to talk about reality. Oh the irony.



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[22cannon]

Scheffler is still raw and ungroomed, he can learn or be replaced ala Wesley Duke. Elite receiving TEs are a rarity. The 49ers had a fine TE in Johnson, but you dont settle for players who will do fine when you can insert a star.

You really showed your ignorance in this statement

[Prodigal19]

who is this portis26hb guy. From what hes posted Im not sure he knows anything about football.

We already have a great receiving tight end in Scheffler. If you watched any of the games last year when Cutler was in you would know this. What we need now is a very good blocking tight end that is also a pretty good receiver. That is exactly what Graham is. So you have any idea what a good blocking TE can do for a running game?

[BayAreaBronco]

Scheffler is still raw and ungroomed, he can learn or be replaced ala Wesley Duke. Elite receiving TEs are a rarity. The 49ers had a fine TE in Johnson, but you dont settle for players who will do fine when you can insert a star.


So you're saying that a 'raw and ungroomed' Scheffler can learn or be replaced by another raw and ungroomed TE? :confused:

Scheffler looks to be very promising as another receiving threat. His blocking abilites is still in question. You and others have to understand that a TE's responsibilities aren't only to catch. They have to be able to block too.

Graham's blocking abilities are far better than any of the TEs we have on our roster and definitely superior to Greg Olsen's. When you have a TE who can block very well, and can catch well, you have the complete TE. An Olsen, and a Scheffler put together would still only equate to half of a TE. A Graham, and a Scheffler would equal a deadly TE combo.

[dogfish]

OMG!! olsen ran a great 40! let's go out and spend our 1st round pick on him even though we have half a dozen needs more pressing than adding another receiving TE! chef runs at least a tenth of a second slower, and didn't come from "the U"-- how can anyone possibly think he'll ever be any good?




:laugh:

[EMB123903]

By far. Dont know why everyone is hypebeasting Graham. hes 29 and hasnt started a whole season in his career. besides 1 good year in 04, he rarely gets in the endzone. Why spend money on this guy who will not be on the roster in 3 years instead of drafting Greg Olsen who will be a star for the next 10 years? Graham is a decent TE and is barely an upgrade over Schefler. Great idea it was to spend a 2nd rounder on Schefler and now try and sign Graham. Forget them both, get Olsen, and get a TE who will be an impact.


Olsen isnt even in the question, why make this topic?

[EMB123903]

By far. Dont know why everyone is hypebeasting Graham. hes 29 and hasnt started a whole season in his career. besides 1 good year in 04, he rarely gets in the endzone. Why spend money on this guy who will not be on the roster in 3 years instead of drafting Greg Olsen who will be a star for the next 10 years? Graham is a decent TE and is barely an upgrade over Schefler. Great idea it was to spend a 2nd rounder on Schefler and now try and sign Graham. Forget them both, get Olsen, and get a TE who will be an impact.


Olsen isnt even in the question, we have a promising young TE who we drafted in the 2nd round for a reason.... Graham is there for depth only, a 2 te set with both scheffler and graham would be deadly.

[BigBroncLove]

Where is str8 and his wall of pain....... what a terrible thread that lacks any type of logic.....

[str8jacket]

Where is str8 and his wall of pain....... what a terrible thread that lacks any type of logic.....
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[Jared]

A grown man who still likes transformers wants to talk about reality. Oh the irony.

Hmm.....I dunno. I like anime as an art form, and Tranformers, along with others, helped bridge the gap between Western and anime styles.

But, that is not really the point, is it.

The point is that you took it upon yourself to attack me, rather than respond to the fact that since you still have Portis in your name, it suggests that you are either way behind the times, or that you are hoping he comes back. The former would be strange, the latter is fantasy.

But, you decided to attack me personally, rather than respond to my point that getting Olsen, much like bringing back Portis, is basically an impossibility. Thusly, a fantasy.

You don't know anything baout anyone here, yet you throw out personaly insults at anyone who disgarees with your viewpoint.

And I have had enough of reading it, quite frankly. Between implying I am emotionally immature, calling someone a 15 year old, I see enough a pattern to warrant this.

This thread is closed, and you will be posting somewhere else temporarily,