Baseball Saleries!!

[ebsoria]

Holy crap! This is amazing.. A-Rod is making more this year then Tampa Bay is paying their ENTIRE team!!! That just seems rediculous. If I am not mistaken, there is no cap in baseball is there? Is that how year after year the same teams keep winning? Course, then there are the A's.. if I also recall they figure out how to win year after year with one of the lowest saleries.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-salaries&prov=ap&type=lgns

[RunYouOver]

Holy crap! This is amazing.. A-Rod is making more this year then Tampa Bay is paying their ENTIRE team!!! That just seems rediculous. If I am not mistaken, there is no cap in baseball is there? Is that how year after year the same teams keep winning? Course, then there are the A's.. if I also recall they figure out how to win year after year with one of the lowest saleries.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-salaries&prov=ap&type=lgns


A) Teams don't win year after year.

The last 6 years there were 6 different winners.

B) Correct, there is no cap.

But to say the same teams win every year is completely inaccurate.

[SmithOverTO]

A) Teams don't win year after year.

The last 6 years there were 6 different winners.

B) Correct, there is no cap.

But to say the same teams win every year is completely inaccurate.


Depends on the definition of "win"

[RunYouOver]

Depends on the definition of "win"


Well isn't there only one major thing you can win?

Besides each game, of course ;) :P

[ebsoria]

Depends on the definition of "win"


What I mean by "win" is that is seems like year in and year out the same handful of teams, alomost without fail, are in the playoffs or winning their divisions or whatnot.


Obviously it would be stupid of me to be literal and assume the SAME team wins each year.. but the lack of parity is part of why I dont really pay much attention. Sure i get a little.. if its on SPortsCenter. But that's about it.

[keithbishop]

MLB has a similar system to the NBA. If a team spends over the luxury tax threshold, they pay a steep tax. MLB's threshold is $139 mil. (perhaps $138 mil. ....right around there, anyways.

Question: Why do I frequently hear the MLB system complained about, but NEVER hear the NBA system complained about?? Just curious. Has anyone heard the NBA system complained about??

I get a complaint, too:

MLB needs a salary FLOOR. Teams need to at least TRY to compete, don't they??

Food for thought: a couple of seasons ago, the Royals (I like the Royals) had a $25 mil. payroll. That same season, KC received $35 mil. in revenue sharing. Royals owner David Glass lined his pockets and ripped off the fans. Screw David Glass.... and screw any owner who isn't even willing to spend 1/3 of the luxury tax threshold on his team. In fairness, the Royals started spending some $$ this past offseason. The D-Rays excuse is....... :confused: :confused:

I'd love to see the NFL's salary cap system in MLB, but can't imagine the players union signing off on it.

[SmithOverTO]

Well isn't there only one major thing you can win?

Besides each game, of course ;) :P

You know what I meant :P


I mean the Devil Rays have never won more than 75 games in a season :sad:

[BLAFF]

You can still win without spending like the Yankees or the Red Sox. Most of the teams that suck year in and year out don't care enough about winning otherwise they would spend more money in order to have the tools to win, for instance the Cubs got the top free agent in Soriano and a very good manager in Lou Piniella.

Just look back into '03 when the Marlins payroll was about 3 times less than the Yankees and they still kicked their ass.

Also, sometimes the giant payrolls are a result of overspending, like Kevin Brown (the Yankees $105 million dollar man....lol).

[keithbishop]

You know what I meant :P


I mean the Devil Rays have never won more than 75 games in a season :sad:

Tough to do with a $37,000 payroll. ;)

They have some great young players, led by Kazmir and Crawford, but ownership has no plan, other than hoping all their top prospects develop IMMEDIATELY.

[SmithOverTO]

Tough to do with a $37,000 payroll. ;)

They have some great young players, led by Kazmir and Crawford, but ownership has no plan, other than hoping all their top prospects develop IMMEDIATELY.


yeah they havent been well off since announcing they'd be playing in Tropicana Field :laugh:

[antiwup]

all i have to say yankees have a 195 million dollar pay roll this year, last year it was 198 mil and the year before that it was 205 million dollars and yet no world series win!! yeah!!! LMAO!

[keithbishop]

3 playoff appearances since 1986...... what team might that be?? :cheers:


You're entertaining, antiwup..... I'll give you that much. I think it's cute that you can talk smack after your team misses the playoffs. A fan of a non-playoff team criticizing a playoff team for not winning the WS is hilarious. :laugh:

Your payroll figures are way off, but don't be discouraged. Take whatever amount you want and run with it.....

If you want the truth, ask me. I know the real total.... and yours is too high.

Here's to your Angels repeating their 2006 success :beer: (hey, they finished over .500!!!!!).

Hey.... does the fact that the Angels payroll was much higher than the A's mean the Angels choked....or do you just use that argument with the Yankees?? :confused:

Thanks for the laughter, amigo. :salute:

[antiwup]

3 playoff appearances since 1986...... what team might that be?? :cheers:


You're entertaining, antiwup..... I'll give you that much. I think it's cute that you can talk smack after your team misses the playoffs. A fan of a non-playoff team criticizing a playoff team for not winning the WS is hilarious. :laugh:

Your payroll figures are way off, but don't be discouraged. Take whatever amount you want and run with it.....

If you want the truth, ask me. I know the real total.... and yours is too high.

Here's to your Angels repeating their 2006 success :beer: (hey, they finished over .500!!!!!).

Hey.... does the fact that the Angels payroll was much higher than the A's mean the Angels choked....or do you just use that argument with the Yankees?? :confused:

Thanks for the laughter, amigo. :salute:
dude it was injuries and a lot of them as well as personnel not playing the positions they where comfortable with. yes my salary figures are correct according to espn as well as 4 of the top7 highest payed players in the league being on the yankee roster starting with a-rod the yankees, red soxs, mets, have higher pay rolls than the angels! oh and the yankees couldnt consistantly beat the devil rays last year who have the lowest salary in baseball! yeah the angels missed the playoffs and yes the yankees did. but for all the money the yanks throw around the league and dont got much to show except real choking!

[keithbishop]

dude it was injuries and a lot of them as well as personnel not playing the positions they where comfortable with. yes my salary figures are correct according to espn as well as 4 of the top7 highest payed players in the league being on the yankee roster starting with a-rod the yankees, red soxs, mets, white sox have higher pay rolls than the angels! oh and the yankees couldnt consistantly beat the devil rays last year who have the lowest salary in baseball! yeah the angels missed the playoffs and yes the yankees did. but for all the money the yanks throw around the league and dont got much to show except real choking!

Dude....quit making excuses.

No, your figures are not correct. ESPN can say what they want, but you are about $20 mil. too high. Believe it or not, there are more accurate sources than ESPN.

I've watched the Yankees win 6 titles..... if they never win another, that's hardly choking.

I find it amusing that you have difficulty discussing baseball without saying " I hate the Yankees.... the Yankees are........ ". You're a closet Yankees fan.... admit it. ;)

The D-Rays?? Stop it...you're killing me. The Yankees and D-Rays played 18 games last season. The Yankees won 13. Wrong year, dude, but party on!!! :beer: :rockon:

[antiwup]

2006
Final 2006 payrolls for the 30 major league teams, as determined by the commissioner's office.

N.Y. Yankees...$207,461,320

Boston...$137,497,097

N.Y. Mets...$116,571,696

Houston...$107,659,635

Dodgers...$107,260,989

Angels...$104,016,671

Source: Associated Press

2006 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006
Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $194,663,079
2 Boston Red Sox $120,099,824
3 Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000
4 Chicago White Sox $102,750,667
5 New York Mets $101,084,963

Source: USA Today

http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=53&threadid=788

[antiwup]

2006
Final 2006 payrolls for the 30 major league teams, as determined by the commissioner's office.

N.Y. Yankees...$207,461,320

Boston...$137,497,097

N.Y. Mets...$116,571,696

Houston...$107,659,635

Dodgers...$107,260,989

Angels...$104,016,671

Source: Associated Press

2006 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006
Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $194,663,079
2 Boston Red Sox $120,099,824
3 Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000
4 Chicago White Sox $102,750,667
5 New York Mets $101,084,963

Source: USA Today

http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=53&threadid=788
note the top is at the end of the season and the bottom is at the beginning of the season!

[tnedator]

Tough to do with a $37,000 payroll. ;)

They have some great young players, led by Kazmir and Crawford, but ownership has no plan, other than hoping all their top prospects develop IMMEDIATELY.

Did you have to mention Kazmir! :(

[keithbishop]

2006
Final 2006 payrolls for the 30 major league teams, as determined by the commissioner's office.

N.Y. Yankees...$207,461,320

Boston...$137,497,097

N.Y. Mets...$116,571,696

Houston...$107,659,635

Dodgers...$107,260,989

Angels...$104,016,671

Source: Associated Press

2006 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006
Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $194,663,079
2 Boston Red Sox $120,099,824
3 Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000
4 Chicago White Sox $102,750,667
5 New York Mets $101,084,963

Source: USA Today

http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=53&threadid=788

Oakland A's $63, 000,000 (you must have forgotten that one)

What's your point?? The Yankees have dropped $20 mil. in payroll since the end of 2006..... yet the Cubs spent $300 mil. this past offseason.... and the red sox $200 mil.

Demonstrate how the Yankees payroll stayed the same after trading away Gary Sheffield and Randy Johnson...... and re-signing Mike Mussina for $6.5 mil. per season less than he made in 2006. Go ahead.... I dare you.

Break it down player-by-player. Start with an accurate amount of what the Yankees pay A-Rod (do you even know?? Clue.... it isn't $25mil. )

Let's do this...... it will be fun. Your 2007 amount is way off.

[antiwup]

You can still win without spending like the Yankees or the Red Sox. Most of the teams that suck year in and year out don't care enough about winning otherwise they would spend more money in order to have the tools to win, for instance the Cubs got the top free agent in Soriano and a very good manager in Lou Piniella.

Just look back into '03 when the Marlins payroll was about 3 times less than the Yankees and they still kicked their ass.

Also, sometimes the giant payrolls are a result of overspending, like Kevin Brown (the Yankees $105 million dollar man....lol).
i loved that series! it showed every one you cant buy a title!

[keithbishop]

1 Alex Rodriguez $21,680,727
2 Derek Jeter $20,600,000
3 Jason Giambi $20,428,571
4 Mike Mussina $19,000,000
5 Andy Pettitte $16,428,416
6 Bobby Abreu $13,600,000
7 Johnny Damon $13,000,000
8 Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
9 Jorge Posada $12,000,000
10 Mariano Rivera $10,500,000
11 Carl Pavano $8,000,000
12 Kyle Farnsworth $5,416,666
13 Cory Lidle $3,300,000
14 Ron Villone $2,250,000
15 Doug Mientkiewicz $1,850,000
16 Luis Vizcaino $1,775,000
17 Bernie Williams $1,500,000
18 Mike Myers $1,150,000
19 Miguel Cairo $1,000,000
20 Todd Pratt $850,000
21 Kevin Reese $800,000
22 Scott Erickson $550,000
23 Jeff Nelson $500,000
24 Terrence Long $425,000
25 Raul Chavez $400,000
26 Robinson Cano $381,000
27 Chien-Ming Wang $353,175
28 Scott Proctor $352,675
29 Aaron Guiel $350,000
30 Andy Phillips $333,150
31 Wil Nieves $328,600
32 Darrell Rasner $328,598
33 T.J. Beam $327,000
34 Colter Bean $327,000
35 Chris Britton $327,000
36 Brian Bruney $327,000
37 Melky Cabrera $327,000
38 Andy Cannizaro $327,000
39 Sean Henn $327,000
40 Jeff Karstens $327,000
41 Kevin Thompson $327,000
42 Jose Veras $327,000
43 Kris Wilson $327,000

1 Yankees $196,028,578
2 Mets $138,411,148
3 Red Sox $130,809,632
4 Astros $120,340,109
5 Dodgers $112,619,279
6 Mariners $107,144,333
7 White Sox $105,664,167
8 Giants $103,360,787
9 Cubs $102,941,855
10 Cardinals $98,856,529
11 Tigers $96,029,037
12 Braves $94,268,876
13 Angels $92,812,500
14 Orioles $80,465,416
15 Reds $79,031,361
16 Rockies $76,201,833
17 Twins $71,424,415
18 Phillies $68,076,333
19 Rangers $68,047,229
20 Athletics $67,273,779
21 Blue Jays $66,887,500
22 Brewers $65,430,593
23 Royals $62,877,700
24 Indians $58,814,700
25 Padres $56,117,899
26 Nationals $52,681,500
27 Diamondbacks $46,657,427
28 Pirates $45,251,650
29 Devil Rays $24,692,700
30 Marlins $22,882,000

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/teamSalary?categoryId=71596

Did you look at the list??

The Yankees pay A-Rod $16 mil. ($15 mil. last season)The Rangers pay the rest of his salary.

The list mixes 2006 and 2007 players.

Bernie Williams (and several others) aren't on the 2007 Yankees

Cory Lidle died in a plane crash after the season. Dear God, show some respect for the dead!! That is absolute BS, antiwup.

Luis Vizcaino and Doug Mientkiewicz weren't with the Yankees in 2006.

Todd Pratt was released in spring Training....meaning the Yankees pay him NOTHING.

Aaron Guiel is playing in Japan.

I have to get back to work (break is over).... but I can rip that list to shreds.

Why mix players from 2006 and 2007?? Again... you are WAY off.

[RunYouOver]

1 Alex Rodriguez $21,680,727
2 Derek Jeter $20,600,000
3 Jason Giambi $20,428,571
4 Mike Mussina $19,000,000
5 Andy Pettitte $16,428,416
6 Bobby Abreu $13,600,000
7 Johnny Damon $13,000,000
8 Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
9 Jorge Posada $12,000,000
10 Mariano Rivera $10,500,000
11 Carl Pavano $8,000,000
12 Kyle Farnsworth $5,416,666
13 Cory Lidle $3,300,000
14 Ron Villone $2,250,000
15 Doug Mientkiewicz $1,850,000
16 Luis Vizcaino $1,775,000
17 Bernie Williams $1,500,000
18 Mike Myers $1,150,000
19 Miguel Cairo $1,000,000
20 Todd Pratt $850,000
21 Kevin Reese $800,000
22 Scott Erickson $550,000
23 Jeff Nelson $500,000
24 Terrence Long $425,000
25 Raul Chavez $400,000
26 Robinson Cano $381,000
27 Chien-Ming Wang $353,175
28 Scott Proctor $352,675
29 Aaron Guiel $350,000
30 Andy Phillips $333,150
31 Wil Nieves $328,600
32 Darrell Rasner $328,598
33 T.J. Beam $327,000
34 Colter Bean $327,000
35 Chris Britton $327,000
36 Brian Bruney $327,000
37 Melky Cabrera $327,000
38 Andy Cannizaro $327,000
39 Sean Henn $327,000
40 Jeff Karstens $327,000
41 Kevin Thompson $327,000
42 Jose Veras $327,000
43 Kris Wilson $327,000

1 Yankees $196,028,578
2 Mets $138,411,148
3 Red Sox $130,809,632
4 Astros $120,340,109
5 Dodgers $112,619,279
6 Mariners $107,144,333
7 White Sox $105,664,167
8 Giants $103,360,787
9 Cubs $102,941,855
10 Cardinals $98,856,529
11 Tigers $96,029,037
12 Braves $94,268,876
13 Angels $92,812,500
14 Orioles $80,465,416
15 Reds $79,031,361
16 Rockies $76,201,833
17 Twins $71,424,415
18 Phillies $68,076,333
19 Rangers $68,047,229
20 Athletics $67,273,779
21 Blue Jays $66,887,500
22 Brewers $65,430,593
23 Royals $62,877,700
24 Indians $58,814,700
25 Padres $56,117,899
26 Nationals $52,681,500
27 Diamondbacks $46,657,427
28 Pirates $45,251,650
29 Devil Rays $24,692,700
30 Marlins $22,882,000

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/teamSalary?categoryId=71596

Since KB's break is over, I'll rip it to shreds for him.


The A-rod number is off by about 6 million.

Cory Lidle (RIP) was killed in a plane crash in the offseason, so take off another 3.3 million

Ron Villone was released (subtract about 2 million)

Bernie Williams isn't on the Yankees

Neither is Todd Pratt, so subract about 2 million for those two...

Terrence Long, Aaron Guile, and Raul Chavez all aren't on the yankees, subtract another million.

Andy Cannizero isn't on the yankees, subtract about 500,000....


That's about 15 million less at least. There's a few small pieces of contracts of players they don't have anymore that they have to pay, totaling no more than 9 million dollars.

BUT AT THE VERY MOST, the Yankees payroll is down to about 187 million this year...

[antiwup]

1 Alex Rodriguez $21,680,727
2 Derek Jeter $20,600,000
3 Jason Giambi $20,428,571
4 Mike Mussina $19,000,000
5 Andy Pettitte $16,428,416
6 Bobby Abreu $13,600,000
7 Johnny Damon $13,000,000
8 Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
9 Jorge Posada $12,000,000
10 Mariano Rivera $10,500,000
11 Carl Pavano $8,000,000
12 Kyle Farnsworth $5,416,666
13 Ron Villone $2,250,000
14 Doug Mientkiewicz $1,850,000
15 Luis Vizcaino $1,775,000
16 Bernie Williams $1,500,000
17 Mike Myers $1,150,000
18 Miguel Cairo $1,000,000
19 Todd Pratt $850,000
20 Kevin Reese $800,000
21 Scott Erickson $550,000
22 Jeff Nelson $500,000
23 Terrence Long $425,000
24 Raul Chavez $400,000
25 Robinson Cano $381,000
26 Chien-Ming Wang $353,175
27 Scott Proctor $352,675
28 Aaron Guiel $350,000
29 Andy Phillips $333,150
30 Wil Nieves $328,600
31 Darrell Rasner $328,598
32 T.J. Beam $327,000
33 Colter Bean $327,000
34 Chris Britton $327,000
35 Brian Bruney $327,000
36 Melky Cabrera $327,000
37 Andy Cannizaro $327,000
38 Sean Henn $327,000
39 Jeff Karstens $327,000
40 Kevin Thompson $327,000
41 Jose Veras $327,000
42 Kris Wilson $327,000
i wont change this!

1 Yankees $196,028,578
2 Mets $138,411,148
3 Red Sox $130,809,632
4 Astros $120,340,109
5 Dodgers $112,619,279
6 Mariners $107,144,333
7 White Sox $105,664,167
8 Giants $103,360,787
9 Cubs $102,941,855
10 Cardinals $98,856,529
11 Tigers $96,029,037
12 Braves $94,268,876
13 Angels $92,812,500
14 Orioles $80,465,416
15 Reds $79,031,361
16 Rockies $76,201,833
17 Twins $71,424,415
18 Phillies $68,076,333
19 Rangers $68,047,229
20 Athletics $67,273,779
21 Blue Jays $66,887,500
22 Brewers $65,430,593
23 Royals $62,877,700
24 Indians $58,814,700
25 Padres $56,117,899
26 Nationals $52,681,500
27 Diamondbacks $46,657,427
28 Pirates $45,251,650
29 Devil Rays $24,692,700
30 Marlins $22,882,000

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/teamSa...ategoryId=71596

[antiwup]

Did you look at the list??

The Yankees pay A-Rod $16 mil. ($15 mil. last season)The Rangers pay the rest of his salary.

The list mixes 2006 and 2007 players.

Bernie Williams (and several others) aren't on the 2007 Yankees

Cory Lidle died in a plane crash after the season. Dear God, show some respect for the dead!! That is absolute BS, antiwup.

Luis Vizcaino and Doug Mientkiewicz weren't with the Yankees in 2006.

Todd Pratt was released in spring Training....meaning the Yankees pay him NOTHING.

Aaron Guiel is playing in Japan.

I have to get back to work (break is over).... but I can rip that list to shreds.

Why mix players from 2006 and 2007?? Again... you are WAY off.
than you post a correct link because all i hear is a bunch of words coming from unsupported idiots! no link no proof no brain!!!!

[keithbishop]

than you post a correct link because all i hear is a bunch of words coming from unsupported idiots! no link no proof no brain!!!!

I'm an unsupported idiot?? That's cute. :rolleyes: You have NOTHING to say about Lidle?? C'mon, antiwup, that wasn't cool at all. His widow and son threw out the 1st pitch in the Yankees game Monday. I know you heard about the plane crash.

I don't mind your smack talk.... I find it quite amusing. When I asked if you wanted to have a serious discussion, the answer didn't HAVE to be "yes".
Go to hardball dollars if you need a link. A few of your posted totals were correct, but, as I said, Yankees payroll dropped in 2006 AND 2007:



Matsui $13 mil.
Damon $13 mil.
Abreu $15 mil.
Cabrera $500K

Giambi $20.5 mil. (just rounding up...again, your posted total on some of these is right)
Mientkiewicz $1.5 mil.
Phelps $1 mil.
Cano $500 K
Jeter $21 mil.
A-Rod $16 mil.
Cairo $1 mil.

Posada $12 mil.
Nieves $500 K

Wang $500 K
Pettitte $ 16 mil.
Mussina $ 11.5 mil.
Pavano $10 mil.
Igawa $ 4 mil.

Rivera $10.5 mil.
Farnsworth $5.5 mil.
Vizcaino $3.5 mil.
Proctor $500 K
Bruney $500 K

Myers $1.5 K
Henn $500 K

I rounded several up... for example, Phelps $600 K salary is listed at $1 mil. and Cairo's $750 K salary is listed at $1 mil. ....... no need to go to the exact penny. I rounded up only.... and the total is $180 mil.
The actual amount is between $175 and $180 mil.

In an interview by Michael Kay, Yankees President Randy Levine listed the payroll at $170 mil. Go to ESPN.com and look for the Michael Kay show. Perhaps the interview will have an archive link. You can either take my word that I listened to the interview or call me a liar. I don't care..... "do what you gotta do".

The $170 mil. total did not include the salaries for the following players, who were unsigned at the time:

Luis Vizcaino
Melky Cabrera
Chien-Ming Wang
Robinson Cano
Scott Proctor
Sean Henn
Wil Nieves
Brian Bruney

Stick with talking smack. Honestly, I read and listen to everything possible about the Yankees on a daily basis. I'm not a casual fan. The smack is amusing..... but don't go throwing around salary #'s like that. The Yankees payroll will continue to drop. IMO, the $150 mil. range would be ideal (it's where the luxury tax threshold will be within 2 years), but it's impossible to go from a $205+ mil. payroll to $150 mil. overnight. Baseball contracts are guaranteed. I'm sure you'd be delighted if the Yankees cut Jeter, Matsui, etc., but that's not realistic. Under Brian Cashman's guide, the team is heading in the right direction.

Look at the Yankees FA signings:

Andy Pettitte 1 year $16 mil. deal + $16 mil. player option for 2008

Doug Mientkiewicz. 1 year $1.5 mil. deal

Kei Igawa 5 year $20 mil. deal (yes, there was a $26 mil. posting fee, but the posting fee doesn't count towards payroll. Igawa's deal PLUS posting fee was less than the red sox posting fee for Matsuzaka--$51.1 mil. )

The Yankees did not even bid on the Zito/Soriano/Schmidt types.

The Angels are owned by billionaire Arturo Moreno. Moreno, unlike Steinbrenner, is a member of the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans. Angels fans have no business crying about another teams payroll. If Moreno wants a player, he'll go after him...... wait and see what happens if A-Rod opts out of his deal. The Angels are already rumored to be a likely destination.

[SmithOverTO]

than you post a correct link because all i hear is a bunch of words coming from unsupported idiots! no link no proof no brain!!!!


You are a big poopy head. :smug:


Seriously, though, hating the Yankees because they spend money is like hating women because they like shopping. They will always go together.


Get a grip.

[keithbishop]

You are a big poopy head. :smug:


Seriously, though, hating the Yankees because they spend money is like hating women because they like shopping. They will always go together.


Get a grip.

I don't even care about the Yankee hating bit.... I love it..... goes with the territory of being a winning franchise.

Throwing around incorrect payroll figures tends to agitate me, though.

The biggest poopy head of all, Steve Phillips, was talking about the Yankees "$200 mil. payroll" the other day....... hey..... I'm going to start making up #'s, too. ;)

THE YANKEES HAVE A $104 MIL. PAYROLL

Must be true..... someone said it. :laugh:

[SmithOverTO]

I don't even care about the Yankee hating bit.... I love it..... goes with the territory of being a winning franchise.

Throwing around incorrect payroll figures tends to agitate me, though.

The biggest poopy head of all, Steve Phillips, was talking about the Yankees "$200 mil. payroll" the other day....... hey..... I'm going to start making up #'s, too. ;)

THE YANKEES HAVE A $104 MIL. PAYROLL

Must be true..... someone said it. :laugh:

Hey guess what, KB...I just remembered something. This guy is a Manchester United fan. They are the Yankees of English soccer.


I need some help spelling hypocrit...


When someone is a ManU fan and then yells at a Yankee fan you know the world is messed up... :eek:

[keithbishop]

Hey guess what, KB...I just remembered something. This guy is a Manchester United fan. They are the Yankees of English soccer.


I need some help spelling hypocrit...


When someone is a ManU fan and then yells at a Yankee fan you know the world is messed up... :eek:

Even funnier..... a few years back, the Yankees and Manchester United became business partners. :laugh: :laugh:

Hypocrite...... or closet Yankees fan?? ;)

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/02/07/yankees.united.02/index.html
"British football giant Manchester United and the world-champion New York Yankees baseball team, are to enter a strategic alliance to promote their sports brands. "

I can't remember which thread, but I asked antiwup about it once...... didn't see his answer.

[SmithOverTO]

Even funnier..... a few years back, the Yankees and Manchester United became business partners. :laugh: :laugh:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/02/07/yankees.united.02/index.html


http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0418/138.html


ManU has a $341 million dollar payroll... :coffee:


Three times the Yanks...

[keithbishop]

http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0418/138.html


ManU has a $341 million dollar payroll... :coffee:


Three times the Yanks...

That's in pounds, dude. If pounds doesn't help his case, I meant to say pesos. :laugh:

[SmithOverTO]

That's in pounds, dude. If pounds doesn't help his case, I meant to say pesos. :laugh:

LOL.....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[antiwup]

Even funnier..... a few years back, the Yankees and Manchester United became business partners. :laugh: :laugh:

Hypocrite...... or closet Yankees fan?? ;)

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/UK/02/07/yankees.united.02/index.html
"British football giant Manchester United and the world-champion New York Yankees baseball team, are to enter a strategic alliance to promote their sports brands. "

I can't remember which thread, but I asked antiwup about it once...... didn't see his answer.
business is business, baseball is baseball futbol is futbol! just because they have an agreement dont mean any thing! jeter does gatorade commercials does it make me stop drinking it! no! when it comes down to baseball i will hate the yankees but i respect there winning ways for decades ago! i do not respect 21st century yankees!

[antiwup]

Hey guess what, KB...I just remembered something. This guy is a Manchester United fan. They are the Yankees of English soccer.


I need some help spelling hypocrit...


When someone is a ManU fan and then yells at a Yankee fan you know the world is messed up... :eek:
yeah i am one! :rockon: ....not! futbol is not baseball so dont even try to say they are on the same level! my hatered of the yankees comes from a yankees angels game in 99 where paul o'neill had a few choice words towards where i was sitting i cant say the words on here they would just get blocked so to say i hate the yankees because they are overpaid isnt the case o'neill turned me against your team! ive met troy percival, tim salmon, and garrett anderson of my fav team the angels. i have more respect for a cheater (rose) than what i heard from paul!

[keithbishop]

You can still win without spending like the Yankees or the Red Sox. Most of the teams that suck year in and year out don't care enough about winning otherwise they would spend more money in order to have the tools to win, for instance the Cubs got the top free agent in Soriano and a very good manager in Lou Piniella.

Just look back into '03 when the Marlins payroll was about 3 times less than the Yankees and they still kicked their ass.

Also, sometimes the giant payrolls are a result of overspending, like Kevin Brown (the Yankees $105 million dollar man....lol).

Of course that is the case.

Did the Yankees have a $200 mil. payroll when they were winning titles?? Of course not.

Brian Cashman is aware of this, but I can't be the only one aware of the Yankees front office mess through the 2005 season. Sure..... I can teach a brief refresher course ;) :


Cashman came within an eyelash of leaving the Yankees after the 2005 season. His contract was up and he was tired of the (dis)organization. He could have had his choice of jobs elsewhere..... the Phillies were rumored to be willing to give him anything necessary to have him run their team.

What was he dealing with?? There were 2 factions making decisions for the Yankees: The New York faction, led by Cashman, Gene Michael, and Torre ......
and the Tampa faction, a group of Steinbrenner's old cronies. The Tampa faction had Steinbrenner's ear. Even in the 1970's, I knew Steinbrenner was a great business man, but wasn't someone who should make baseball decisions. Cashman gave an ultimatum: either he ran the team...... or he moved on. Cashman stayed, only after being given full authority. All team decisions are filtered through Cashman, who takes the final recommendations to Steinbrenner, who, of course, writes the checks. That is the way every team should be run, not group A making one recommendation, group B making another, and the business man (not baseball man) chosing between the 2.

Yes....let's look back to 2003. Andy Pettitte was a life-long Yankee. Whatever the reason, Steinbrenner was too enamored with signing Gary Sheffield to make re-signing Pettitte a priority. To replace Pettitte, Kevin Brown was brought in. I do take issue with you calling Brown "the Yankees $105 million dollar man"..... you are aware that he didn't sign that contract with the Yankees, right?? It was a poor move..... I never wanted Brown to begin with (age + health questions made it a bad move), but the Yankees only paid a portion of the deal.

Many mistakes were made (though, believe it or not, EVERY team makes mistakes). The priority became building the best team on paper, not developing from within. The farm system was barren, as opposed to the championship teams led by born and bred Yankees like Jeter, Posada, Bernie Williams, Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera.

Things hit rock bottom with the Yankees $205 mil. 2005 payroll.

Fast forward, however, and the Yankees have reduced their payroll in consecutive years while focusing on their minor league system. In 2004, the Yankees minor league system was ranked #26. In 2007, it is a top-5 system. Payroll has dropped in consecutive years, and it will continue to drop as prospects like Phil Hughes and Jose Tabata Robinson Cano, Chien-Ming Wang, and Melky Cabrera.

Watch the payroll drop as the team continues to improve..... you heard it here, first.

Again..... the Yankees didn't even bid on the likes of Soriano and Zito. Why?? Cashman is focused on short term deals that won't block prospects on the rise through the system. There were no $105 mil. contracts for aging players. The Yankees signed 3 free agents for far less than that total...... and only one of the deals was longer than 2 years.

I have to admit being disappointed in the baseball minds on this board, though.
What on earth does payroll have to do with winning a title?? I can't be the only one aware that the team to get hot AT THE RIGHT TIME is the team that wins the title. Have we already forgotten the 2006 Cardinals??

The Cards barely made the playoffs. Had Houston won their season finale, it would have forced a 1-game playoff vs. the Cardinals for the right to make the playoffs. The Cardinals payroll was nothing to speak of..... and they were ice cold at the end of the regular season. None of the experts gave the Cardinals an ounce of thought when the playoffs began...... "Teams that back into the playoofs.....". Perhaps it's time to admit that the game is NOT played on paper..... and ANYTHING can happen in the post season. Payroll gets thrown out the window in 5 and 7 game series. One bad pitch or one error can change the course of a series. Ask Cardinals fans..... even a rain tarp can change the course of a World Series.

In the post season, the best teams, not the most expensive teams, win.

[keithbishop]

yeah i am one! :rockon: ....not! your stupid! futbol is not baseball so dont even try to say they are on the same level! my hatered of the yankees comes from a yankees angels game in 99 where paul o'neill had a few choice words towards where i was sitting i cant say the words on here they would just get blocked so to say i hate the yankees because they are overpaid isnt the case o'neill turned me against your team! ive met troy percival, tim salmon, and garrett anderson of my fav team the angels. i have more respect for a cheater (rose) than what i heard from paul!

Good news... Paul retired 6 years ago. ;)

Nice to know where your hatred comes from, though.

As I said, I don't care about your smack talk (pretty amusing stuff)...... but calling other posters names doesn't help your case.

"Your team"?? :laugh: SmithOverTO is a Rockies fan, not a Yankees fan. Don't think that he's a Yankees fan because he respects them. I respect the red sox, yet they are my least favorite team in all of sports.

[RunYouOver]

Good news... Paul retired 6 years ago. ;)

Nice to know where your hatred comes from, though.

As I said, I don't care about your smack talk (pretty amusing stuff)...... but calling other posters names doesn't help your case.

"Your team"?? :laugh: SmithOverTO is a Rockies fan, not a Yankees fan. Don't think that he's a Yankees fan because he respects them. I respect the red sox, yet they are my least favorite team in all of sports.


One Yankee game I went to, a player got a hit off my favorite pitcher. I've hated that team ever since :fight:


Honestly antiwup, if you don't have any respect for what the Yankees are doing now, then you clearly have no idea WHAT they are doing now. In the past three years there payroll has gone down MORE than the entire payroll of the Devil Rays or Marlins.

But that's ok, they just since every big player and win every world series, so I guess that explains everything.....