View Full Version : will shanny go off. or def. on 1st round
joe blow
04-06-2007, 01:41 PM
Hello all you di hard bronco fans..
I just wanted to know from all of you which way will shanny go off. or def./ on our 1st pick...
I know most of all the members say we need def. like DE..
but will he go def...
or do you all think he will pick a player from the other side..I do..
and really I support him 100% for picking a off. player if so...maybe wr..let me know all your feedback on this..
CAMERON
04-06-2007, 01:42 PM
trade way up and get CJ or grab Ginn at 21
Hello all you di hard bronco fans..
I just wanted to know from all of you which way will shanny go off. or def./ on our 1st pick... I know most of all the members say we need def. like DE..
but will he go def...
or do you all think he will pick a player from the other side..I do..
and really I support him 100% for picking a off. player if so...maybe wr..let me know all your feedback on this..
I geuss you'll have to ask Mike on that one, but I want him to go defense. It could be DE, DT or S, I don't care as long as one of them are taken :salute:
joe blow
04-06-2007, 01:43 PM
trade way up and get CJ or grab Ginn at 21
wow!!!
you took the thoughts right out of my head..
really I was thinking the same thing and have been for a month..
thats weird
// / yardo
04-06-2007, 01:48 PM
wow!!!
you took the thoughts right out of my head..
really I was thinking the same thing and have been for a month..
thats weird
It's really nothing new. We were in talks with the Lions to trade for their number 2 pick.
Getting CJ is a reach. We'd have to give up way too much to get him.
I do see us moving up a little to get one of the DEs that are projected to go in the first. I'm hoping for Jarvis Moss or Adam Carriker.
I don't even want to touch the O on the first day unless we can get a T in the 3rd round possibly.
I can't think of someone we'd draft on O who'd have an immediate impact. An LT would sit 1, maybe 2 years. The odds are against a WR having an immediate impact.
If we think about it, if our line functions (and it should do with the return of Lepsis and hopefully the right side will have no probs) we'll have 1200-1500 yards on the ground (also factor in Graham's presence in the running game). Receivers..we've got Walker, Rod (I'm praying he'll be back upto speed. It's possible), Marshall (and possibly Kircus might come good. I've heard some good things about his route running). Also Scheffler and Graham. Oh, and also consider that with the addition of Henry we now have two reliable checkdown options in the backfield as KJ and TH are both proven pass catchers (Henry has taken 43 receptions in a season. His numbers went down after Bledsoe left I think). So I think Jay's got a hell of a lot of options and it doesn't really warrant drafting a WR early especially considering our track record with wideouts.
foolio2000
04-06-2007, 01:50 PM
I think that most likely he goes D but I do not think we go D-line at 21, but I think him moving up to draft Carriker is not out of the question.
I am sure that he has some offensive players on his draft board but I think it is mostly defense(or more than likely I am just biased).
joe blow
04-06-2007, 01:50 PM
It's really nothing new. We were in talks with the Lions to trade for their number 2 pick.
Getting CJ is a reach. We'd have to give up way too much to get him.
I do see us moving up a little to get one of the DEs that are projected to go in the first. I'm hoping for Jarvis Moss or Adam Carriker.
if we wanted moss we would not have to move up mabe for carriker..
and you said give to much up like what would we half to give up
how about al wilson,our 2ed and 3rd and 6th is that enough I think so
ballen
04-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Unless we get CJ, don't take a WR in the first round. I know they say DE is deep this year but WR is by far the deepest. You are talking about guys like Anthony Gonzales going in the third round. He could end up being better than Dwayne Jarret. So could Sidney Rice, Mike Walker, Jason Hill and the guy from his own team Steve Smith. The point is why spend a first round pick on WR when you could get a guy just as good in the third round where we have 2 picks.
24spellsD
04-06-2007, 02:08 PM
the only way we go O is if we trade way up and take CJ..otherwise im absolutely sure we take a deffensive player with our first...if we dont then i will be pissed...shanny is doing TOO good this offseason to go wrong in the draft. god i cant wait this is literally taking years off my life
// / yardo
04-06-2007, 02:13 PM
you said give to much up like what would we half to give up how about al wilson,our 2ed and 3rd and 6th is that enough I think so
According to what's been said they were asking for a lot and Al Wilson may have been involved as well as multiple pics. And that was BEFORE Wilson failed his physical in NY. Wilsons stock has fallen since then. So even if we did include him they would be wanting more than what was initially offered.
Denver Post Article (http://www.denverpost.com/broncosheadlines/ci_5457658)
No deal near for No. 2 pick
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Launched: 03/16/2007 10:14:15 PM MDT
Knowing several NFL teams are drooling over the talents of wide receiver Calvin Johnson, the Detroit Lions have let it be known their No. 2 overall draft pick is up for trade.
Yes, the Lions have held preliminary discussions with the Broncos regarding the No. 2 pick during the past month, NFL sources confirmed.
But Broncos fans shouldn't get their hopes up.
According to sources, the Lions asked for multiple draft picks that included Denver's No. 21 selection. The Broncos considered the asking price far too high, and trade discussions have ceased.
While a Denver deal with Detroit appears unlikely, the Broncos have been trying to trade their No. 21 pick. Some of the Broncos' trade possibilities have them moving up on the draft board and others have them moving down.
For the Lions, the possibility of dealing the No. 2 pick is all about the benefits of moving down. Provided the Oakland Raiders take Louisiana State quarterback JaMarcus Russell as expected with their No. 1 pick in the draft April 28, Johnson is widely considered a no-brainer selection at No. 2.
The Georgia Tech product is a 6-foot-5, 239-pound athletic specimen who was clocked in the 40-yard dash in 4.35 seconds at the scouting combine.
Put another way, Johnson is to receivers in this year's draft what Reggie Bush was to running backs in last year's draft.
The Lions, however, just happen to be the one team that wouldn't dare take another receiver so high in the draft, not after they were burned by Charles Rogers with the No. 2 pick in 2003 and Mike Williams with the 10th selection in 2005.
With an average record of 4-12 the past six seasons, the Lions are contemplating whether they can get greater value by moving down in the draft for multiple players and picks in return.
The Broncos became a logical candidate in part because of how coach Mike Shanahan traded up to get quarterback Jay Cutler last year (a series of deals moved Denver from No. 30 to No. 11), but also because the two teams worked out a trade this month.
In that deal, the Broncos sent running back Tatum Bell and offensive tackle George Foster to the Lions in exchange for cornerback Dré Bly.
I thought it'd be defense for sure, but right now I'm not as certain. Ted Ginn Jr. and Joe Staley are intriguing prospects on offense that we'll have a shot at. I think if Jarvis Moss is still around, though, we'll take him. He's the classic Bates DE.
24spellsD
04-06-2007, 02:19 PM
we wont take ted ginn and u can take that to the bank...we can find a guy in the later rounds for what ted is good for...too many pressing needs for us to take him
Dream
04-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Really depends on the value on the defensive line. All signs sort of point to go in that direction. I think you'll see Denver trade down in this draft, that's just my gut feeling. Trading down to net us an additional pick or so, hopefully to fill in some offensive needs too.
24spellsD
04-06-2007, 02:24 PM
im really hopin for one of the two remaining safeties in griffin or merriweather and charles johnson after that we can do whatever, although with tis years crop of d-line prospects i would hope we come away with at least 2 guys on the line...time to revamp that line
I don't think anyone will ever be able to accurately say what Shanny is going to do when it comes to the draft. I see our biggest needs on defense, so I would think that is where we will be drafting first. That is especially true if Al goes and isn't traded for another really good LB.
24spellsD
04-06-2007, 02:27 PM
yea, although patrick willis is slated high, i wouldnt mind getting him if al were not here...
Dream
04-06-2007, 02:29 PM
I don't think anyone will ever be able to accurately say what Shanny is going to do when it comes to the draft. I see our biggest needs on defense, so I would think that is where we will be drafting first. That is especially true if Al goes and isn't traded for another really good LB.
I'd say so too. We invested quite a bit on the offense, so I think it could wait until mid-first day unless some unforeseen opportunity presents itself.
According to Wabbit on the Mane, Denver and Detroit are still talking trade, BIG trade. So, who knows. Unless we see a draft move as far as position goes soon, the 28th is going to be a very, very weird day. I don't even want to do a Broncos projection this year!
24spellsD
04-06-2007, 02:34 PM
haha yea seriously....shanny throws so many curveballs on top of all our wacky speculation posts its unbearable lol :eek:
ballen
04-06-2007, 02:51 PM
I'd say so too. We invested quite a bit on the offense, so I think it could wait until mid-first day unless some unforeseen opportunity presents itself.
According to Wabbit on the Mane, Denver and Detroit are still talking trade, BIG trade. So, who knows. Unless we see a draft move as far as position goes soon, the 28th is going to be a very, very weird day. I don't even want to do a Broncos projection this year!
Shhhhhhhh...... stop with the Lions trade talk. I still think its on the table, but if Calvin Johnson isn't available we don't want it. And if the Raiders know we will have the 2nd pick and we want Calvin Johnson I can see them taking him or trading the pick to somebody who wants him(which is what they should do anyway)
CAMERON
04-06-2007, 03:29 PM
Man could imagine if we really did draft CJ. I would prob. do a back flip and drink heavily for like a week out of pure excitement! :D
jb_edson81
04-06-2007, 03:37 PM
im really hopin for one of the two remaining safeties in griffin or merriweather and charles johnson after that we can do whatever, although with tis years crop of d-line prospects i would hope we come away with at least 2 guys on the line...time to revamp that line
took the words out of my mouth
jb_edson81
04-06-2007, 03:40 PM
Shhhhhhhh...... stop with the Lions trade talk. I still think its on the table, but if Calvin Johnson isn't available we don't want it. And if the Raiders know we will have the 2nd pick and we want Calvin Johnson I can see them taking him or trading the pick to somebody who wants him(which is what they should do anyway)
Everyone assumes we would take CJ at #2 if the trade went up.....but why not Joe Thomas? Nothing better than protecting your francise QB with a francise LT. Lepsis is getting up there in age and coming off serious injury and Pears/Meadows are not proven yet.
silkamilkamonic
04-06-2007, 03:43 PM
dline. Hasn't neglecting it the last 3 years, and seeing how it's still our biggest struggle, allowed people to open their eyes to that yet?
I would be really curious to see what we would give up for the #2. If Detroit liked Al Wilson THAT much then it was probably a mistake to try to trade him to NY since Al's value has probably gone down significantly in the eyes of Detroit...and what would we have received in return from NY? Another 3rd Rd pick? Detroit seemed to covet Al the most out of all the teams and the #2 pick also was potentially the best deal on the table, provided they still valued Al.
dbsoldier
04-06-2007, 03:48 PM
If the broncos move up to # 2 it will be for CJ, he is the only one that you would move that high for. None of these other prospects are worth moving that far up for. Now if we move to # 6 to #10 it would be more likely to get one of the defensive players. :salute:
Everyone assumes we would take CJ at #2 if the trade went up.....but why not Joe Thomas? Nothing better than protecting your francise QB with a francise LT. Lepsis is getting up there in age and coming off serious injury and Pears/Meadows are not proven yet.
Well think of what Denver has in personnel that is good enough to save draft picks out of OLinemen and WRs. I could be wrong but it seems like Marshalls trade value would be the higher than any of our Olinemen. Provided we may save a draft pick with Marshall, we could upgrade and get Johnson. And if we were to trade that high for Johnson, we wouldnt really need Marshall as much with Stokely and Walker already on the team. So if Denver really wants Johnson, it makes sense to use Marshall in the trade. We have no such flexibility if trading up to get Thomas.
Orange&BlueHeat
04-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Trading up for CJ makes no sense. We need help at D line, nor WR.
Trading up for CJ makes no sense. We need help at D line, nor WR.
If Shanahan thinks Denver can generate 30 points a game with Cutler, Walker, Henry and Johnson, its definitely worth considering. If we would have had that kind of an offense last year, our defense wouldnt have looked so bad. Im not saying we couldnt or shouldnt improve defense but it depends on what Shanahan feels he has on offense.
silkamilkamonic
04-06-2007, 04:15 PM
If Shanahan thinks Denver can generate 30 points a game with Cutler, Walker, Henry and Johnson, its definitely worth considering. If we would have had that kind of an offense last year, our defense wouldnt have looked so bad. Im not saying we couldnt or shouldnt improve defense but it depends on what Shanahan feels he has on offense.
What good does 30 points a game do when teams like Iny consistenly roll up 35+ on us every time we play them.
Jacksonville has a great pass rush, and Indy's offense struggles significantly because of it.
What good does 30 points a game do when teams like Iny consistenly roll up 35+ on us every time we play them.
Jacksonville has a great pass rush, and Indy's offense struggles significantly because of it.
I didnt realize our defense was 35 points a game bad...and certainly not if we can hold on to the ball more on offense as well as put up enough points to make opposing offenses more predictable.
I think the SanFran game last year says everything about our need for Defense upgrade...
Orange&BlueHeat
04-06-2007, 04:45 PM
If Shanahan thinks Denver can generate 30 points a game with Cutler, Walker, Henry and Johnson, its definitely worth considering. If we would have had that kind of an offense last year, our defense wouldnt have looked so bad. Im not saying we couldnt or shouldnt improve defense but it depends on what Shanahan feels he has on offense.
I see BMarsh developing into a kick ass receiver. With him and Walker, we don't need any help there. Better to beef up the D line.
NorthernWind
04-06-2007, 04:49 PM
I think were going to end up taking the best Safety of DE available with our pick depending if we trade down or move up.
silkamilkamonic
04-06-2007, 05:09 PM
I didnt realize our defense was 35 points a game bad...and certainly not if we can hold on to the ball more on offense as well as put up enough points to make opposing offenses more predictable.
Getting through the season has never been a problem for us. Denver isn't trying to build a team that can get to the postseason, and possibly do some damage.
It's beating certain teams, preferably, the Indianapolis Colts, who has had our number the past I don't know how long. And considering they are now the SuperBowl champions, the road to the SuperBowl, which is the only acceptable thing as far as Shanahan is concerned, goes through Indy.
Each time we play Indy in a meaningful game, they light our defense up for 35+ easy.
BroncoSexyDaddy
04-06-2007, 08:56 PM
trade way up and get CJ or grab Ginn at 21I agree! I would rather add a player that could be a difference maker on a game,then a player that will end up being a back up. ;)
BroncoSexyDaddy
04-06-2007, 09:05 PM
I don't even want to touch the O on the first day unless we can get a T in the 3rd round possibly.
I can't think of someone we'd draft on O who'd have an immediate impact. An LT would sit 1, maybe 2 years. The odds are against a WR having an immediate impact.
If we think about it, if our line functions (and it should do with the return of Lepsis and hopefully the right side will have no probs) we'll have 1200-1500 yards on the ground (also factor in Graham's presence in the running game). Receivers..we've got Walker, Rod (I'm praying he'll be back upto speed. It's possible), Marshall (and possibly Kircus might come good. I've heard some good things about his route running). Also Scheffler and Graham. Oh, and also consider that with the addition of Henry we now have two reliable checkdown options in the backfield as KJ and TH are both proven pass catchers (Henry has taken 43 receptions in a season. His numbers went down after Bledsoe left I think). So I think Jay's got a hell of a lot of options and it doesn't really warrant drafting a WR early especially considering our track record with wideouts.We are putting to much pressure on Rod to return early.I would like Rod to take it slow,at least we owe him that much.
Its a strong possiblity that Rod Smith and Stokley could retire ,if their injuries dont heal properly.So drafting a receiver would be really important for our team.
evendelae
04-06-2007, 09:19 PM
I'd say so too. We invested quite a bit on the offense, so I think it could wait until mid-first day unless some unforeseen opportunity presents itself.
According to Wabbit on the Mane, Denver and Detroit are still talking trade, BIG trade. So, who knows. Unless we see a draft move as far as position goes soon, the 28th is going to be a very, very weird day. I don't even want to do a Broncos projection this year!
I finally got access to the Mane :D,
But have you talked to Wabbit personally? I'd love to know what picks/personell would be involved in such a BIG trade. I'd asssume Al and all of our first day except maybe one of our third rounders.
I'd also assume Shanny would take CJ. He's too much of a talent and we don't need offensive line that badly. I like the idea of us talking to Detroit all hush hush though, so Oakland doesn't catch wind of it until draft day.
Getting through the season has never been a problem for us. Denver isn't trying to build a team that can get to the postseason, and possibly do some damage.
It's beating certain teams, preferably, the Indianapolis Colts, who has had our number the past I don't know how long. And considering they are now the SuperBowl champions, the road to the SuperBowl, which is the only acceptable thing as far as Shanahan is concerned, goes through Indy.
Each time we play Indy in a meaningful game, they light our defense up for 35+ easy.
Blah. I still say Denver can be a super bowl contender by having a dominant offense.
BroncoSexyDaddy
04-06-2007, 10:58 PM
Blah. I still say Denver can be a super bowl contender by having a dominant offense.I agree with that Lex,we should build a dominant offense so we can take the pressure off our defense.
Also people forget,we held Indy for 2-3 quarters when healthy without Gerald Warren,so we played Indy with no DT and still almost won the game, is impressive.
With the new offense that we now posses we have made good changes to compete through the whole game,because we added more weapons.
You cant beat Indy not having at least 1 good DT in the game,thats impossible.
But we almost did ;)
Broncofan731
04-07-2007, 03:55 AM
I say we trade Nick Ferguson, Al Wilson, 21st overall pick for Lions 2nd overall pick and their 4th. SO thatway we could draft CJ at #2 and Abiamiri in the 2nd, and Piscatelli, and Buster Davis in the 3rd, with possibly go with dline and oline in the 4th.
columbiaskinny
04-07-2007, 07:11 AM
I really hope he goes Defense.
BroncoSexyDaddy
04-07-2007, 09:47 AM
I believe A deal will be reached for the #2 pick.One MORE GOOD PLAYER IS ALL WE NEED.So I think Shanny has something in the works with Detroit #2 pick.
I would give up mostly all my picks if we could get the #2 pick and that BIG DT that the Lions have 6'4 340lbs SHAWN ROGERS
This deal wouldnt hurt us because both players could come right in and start :rockon:
Dream
04-07-2007, 10:20 AM
I finally got access to the Mane :D,
But have you talked to Wabbit personally? I'd love to know what picks/personell would be involved in such a BIG trade. I'd asssume Al and all of our first day except maybe one of our third rounders.
I'd also assume Shanny would take CJ. He's too much of a talent and we don't need offensive line that badly. I like the idea of us talking to Detroit all hush hush though, so Oakland doesn't catch wind of it until draft day.
Wabbit and I have PM'ed each other on occasion, but our talking does not go off the message board. I rely on other people for that, but usually their information goes along, or comes before then goes along with what he's hearing. Denver will have to give up a lot to get to #2, if that's the idea - but a trade down into their early second-rounder is possible too.
Contrary to popular belief, a move from #21 to #2 would cost us our future first-round pick. That is unless Shanahan has some magic trick card that makes Detroit even more stupid than they already are. I just don't think it's possible, but the Broncos and Detroit are still exploring and exhausting all options.
evendelae
04-07-2007, 11:07 AM
Wabbit and I have PM'ed each other on occasion, but our talking does not go off the message board. I rely on other people for that, but usually their information goes along, or comes before then goes along with what he's hearing. Denver will have to give up a lot to get to #2, if that's the idea - but a trade down into their early second-rounder is possible too.
Contrary to popular belief, a move from #21 to #2 would cost us our future first-round pick. That is unless Shanahan has some magic trick card that makes Detroit even more stupid than they already are. I just don't think it's possible, but the Broncos and Detroit are still exploring and exhausting all options.
Yeah, I kind of assumed that... The reason I said we'd keep one of our third rounders is I woulld think it would cost us our first next year and possibly a conditional third as well (seeing how Al does). I should have elaborated.
CJ would be a nice addition but it would cost too much for the move.
I believe one of the top 4 DEs will be our pick, and may involve moving a couple of slot to get it. If not, move down.
I like the three round draft here, it has a good solid bronco first day.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6649680
Dline in the first and second and Guard and WR in the third.
If we cant get a top 4 DE, move back and get WR Smith from USC and
try to get another first day pick and use the 4 picks on the line of scrimage.
A safety named Peters on the second day would be good, for those calling for a safety.
We dont have a glaring weakness beside the Oline and worse on the Dline. Pressure is what is needed to force intercetions by Bailey and Bly. :salute:
SHELLBACKBRONCO
04-07-2007, 12:21 PM
I geuss you'll have to ask Mike on that one, but I want him to go defense. It could be DE, DT or S, I don't care as long as one of them are taken :salute:
I'd agree with that 100%. And like you say "as long as one of them are taken." :coffee:
SHELLBACKBRONCO
04-07-2007, 12:32 PM
Wabbit and I have PM'ed each other on occasion, but our talking does not go off the message board. I rely on other people for that, but usually their information goes along, or comes before then goes along with what he's hearing. Denver will have to give up a lot to get to #2, if that's the idea - but a trade down into their early second-rounder is possible too.
Contrary to popular belief, a move from #21 to #2 would cost us our future first-round pick. That is unless Shanahan has some magic trick card that makes Detroit even more stupid than they already are. I just don't think it's possible, but the Broncos and Detroit are still exploring and exhausting all options.
That's a lot. I suppose it would be worth it. Can't see the whole picture and it seems giving up next year's 1st for one key player may be worth it. But what
key player are we going after, anyway? D-line or receiver??? :confused: :goofy:
silkamilkamonic
04-07-2007, 01:04 PM
Blah. I still say Denver can be a super bowl contender by having a dominant offense.
I will agree with that also to a point.
Hopefully somebody else does our dirty work against the Colts in the playoffs though. There's no way our offense is ever going to outscore Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning against the Broncos defense is quite possibly, even maybe unarguably, the greatest QB of all time.
ballen
04-07-2007, 01:22 PM
I think we need to keep in mind who's making the decisions here. I firmly believe that if we do indeed trade up, it will be for a pick on the offensive side of the ball. If we stay put or trade down we will probably pick defense. Just my opinion.
24spellsD
04-07-2007, 01:56 PM
this is such a deep draft and with a decent amount of picks we have, why not just pick 3 or 4 really good players that can eventually start...i just dont see us giving up all those picks. CJ would be dreamy, but like i said giving up the farm isnt appetizing. does anybody know who the free agent WR and S are next year? you think shanny is planning that far ahead?
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