a rod and free agency

[richardthebronco]

I see where a- rod might opt out of his contract, let him go ahead and do it, If i were the yankees i WOULD NOT PAY HIM 30 MILLION PER YEAR !!! he is not worth it. It's easy for a player to hit home runs and have big years for NON CONTENDING TEAMS !!! WHAT DID HE DO FOR THE YANKS IN POST SEASON? yeah, i'm still looking! I saw where the red sox are interested if he becomes a free agent! well at THIRTY MILLION PER YEAR let them continue to strain their financial resources!!!! he is gonna leave BECAUSE HE CAN'T CUT IT ON BASEBALLS BIGGEST STAGE. So let him go to a small mkt team where he does not have the pressure or demands and let him hit his home runs ( and no rings) just like barry bonds ( only bonds is the biggest fraud in sports history) A-Rod 's legacy will be HE COULDEN'T CUT IT IN NEW YORK!!!! Good the Yankees will save money to put into more players and rebuild so in 4-6 years we will be BACK ON TOP !!! where we belong ! :coffee:

[keithbishop]

Bull.

It's sad that Yankee fans want to pay attention to all the media hype while A-Rod is having a tremendous year.

Perhaps I need to say this another 30,000 times or so, but this stuff is getting really old. The Rangers are paying $9 mil. of A-Rod's salary this year, $8 mil. next year, and so on. Considering the FACT that the Yankees pay Giambi more than anyone else on the team, perhaps it's time to hold him accountable. Where are the titles since Giambi's arrival in 2002? Why did his MVP #'s stop when he arrived in NY.... while A-Rod is well on his way to his 2nd MVP award in pinstripes? :confused:

I think he stays, though I've been wrong before. Let's say he gets a raise to $30 mil. Subtract the Rangers $8 mil. next season and that means the Yankees would pay him $22 mil. It's basic math...... why insist on going with the media #'s instead of the real ones :brick: ? Ichiro is an outstanding leadoff hitter... and he just signed a new deal for $20 mil. per season. No one is worth that kind of $, but it shows where the market is. Show me the sport wher the top player doesn't make top $$. It sure the hell isn't baseball, basketball, football, or soccer ($50 mil. per season for Beckham and I still hear whining about A-Rod?? WHY????) Hide and watch, folks..... Andruw Jones and, perhaps, Torii Hunter will get bigger deals than Ichiro.

This has to be the only sport in which a 1st ballot HOF'er and BY FAR the most talented player in the game gets so much attention for things other than what he does in the field. Ignore the HR's..... he has been dazling in the field this season and, like every other season in his career, plays hard. Don't hold your breath waiting for 100% effort from A-Rod....it isn't going to happen.

Perhaps others are able to, but I can't fault A-Rod for earning what he can. Have we forgotten last year's FA class, the worst in recent memory, commanding huge deal after huge deal?? Look at the role players: for no reason I can understand, Shea Hillenbrand landed a 1 year $6 mil. deal + a vesting option for a 2nd year. He won't hit the #'s to vest the 2nd season, so he gets a $500,000 buyout after the season. What did the Angels get for $6.5 mil. before he was released ??
53 G 197 AB .254 BA 5 2B 3 HR 22 RBI .275 OBP .325 SLG .... tough to pick out the worst #, but I'll go with the .275 OBP.

Let's see if A-Rod has done a little better:
88 G 330 AB .312 BA 21 2B 31 HR 87 RBI .410 OBP .658 SLG

It gets better.... Hillenbrand played a grand total of 6 G (47 innings) in the field. His other games were at DH.

How about a better example: Carl Pavano robbed the Yankees for $40 mil. over 4 years. Let's take a peek at his "production":
19 GS 111.1 IP 5 W 6 L 4.77 ERA

$360,000 per inning. $2,105,000 per start. $8 mil. per win.

Does that put anything into perspective? Please forgive me for preferring A-Rod's production.

Something else to consider : 2008 isn't an overwhelming FA class and the Yankees don't have a legit 3B prospect above High-A Tampa. Perhaps I'd buy the "his $$ could be better spent" angle if there weren't so many FA busts. Who replaces A-Rod from the Yankees system? AAA Journeyman 3B Chris Basak? Yeah, THE Chris Basak. :rolleyes:

[jcdavey]

I see where a- rod might opt out of his contract, let him go ahead and do it, If i were the yankees i WOULD NOT PAY HIM 30 MILLION PER YEAR !!! he is not worth it. It's easy for a player to hit home runs and have big years for NON CONTENDING TEAMS !!! WHAT DID HE DO FOR THE YANKS IN POST SEASON? yeah, i'm still looking! I saw where the red sox are interested if he becomes a free agent! well at THIRTY MILLION PER YEAR let them continue to strain their financial resources!!!! he is gonna leave BECAUSE HE CAN'T CUT IT ON BASEBALLS BIGGEST STAGE. So let him go to a small mkt team where he does not have the pressure or demands and let him hit his home runs ( and no rings) just like barry bonds ( only bonds is the biggest fraud in sports history) A-Rod 's legacy will be HE COULDEN'T CUT IT IN NEW YORK!!!! Good the Yankees will save money to put into more players and rebuild so in 4-6 years we will be BACK ON TOP !!! where we belong ! :coffee:Arod always does his job (well most of the time)

all he does is put up numbers

he can't pitch for his teams, and because of his huge salary and other huge salaries of teams he's been on, those teams haven't addressed their pitching enough, and pitching wins championships

as a non pitcher though, if anyone is worth the huge contract (and truely no one really is worth 30 mill) it's arod

[jcdavey]

oh and to add to the arod legacy thing

mattingly never even played in a world series so , it's a team sport

remember that will ya?

[keithbishop]

Arod always does his job (well most of the time)

all he does is put up numbers

he can't pitch for his teams, and because of his huge salary and other huge salaries of teams he's been on, those teams haven't addressed their pitching enough, and pitching wins championships

as a non pitcher though, if anyone is worth the huge contract (and truely no one really is worth 30 mill) it's arod

One small point to add. The teams he's been on haven't had enough good pitchers coming up from the minors. Name all the great young pitchers on his Mariners and Rangers teams..... impossible, isn't it? That is about to change with the Yankees, led by Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain. The Yankees have no need to invest in FA starting pitchers.

I agree that it's a shame salaries have reached this point... but you are absolutely correct: the best player gets the most $$.

[bengaaaaals1688]

As much as I feel that A-Rod... let alone everyone else in sports... don't deserve the kind of money he is making just to play a sport. I can't help but to honestly feel bad for the guy. This year he is breaking records and having an outstanding year, statistically, but this is the kind of year he is expected to have every year. He is expected to break records and lead the league in almost every batting category every season, and then gets bytched out when he can't do so. Unfortunately, he also has a tendency to screw up when put in a clutch/pressure situation, but so far this year he has done a pretty decent job at changing that. I don't like A-Rod, but he is a great 3B, and has to deal with a ridiculous amount of pressure that goes even further than him playing for the Yankees.

That said... I doubt the Yankees will allow him to go, not to mention the fact that if they do let him go, there is always too high a chance that he will end up on a team that they will face a lot and in turn kill them more than once a season because of it.

[richardthebronco]

what a rod is is a HIGHER PRICE VERSION OF DAVE WINFIELD, george steinbrenner likes stars, the problem is not everyone produces in new york. A-ROD puts up nice numbers ( and no rings ) what made REGGIE JACKSON SO GREAT IS HE PRODUCED IN NEW YORK AND IN THE POST SEASON, Winfield did not, nor has A-ROD. the guy is in love WITH HIMSELF!!! every time he comes to bat they should play over the loud speaker in yankee stadium "you're so vain" by carley Simon, FITS A-ROD TO A T !!! :coffee:

[jcdavey]

what a rod is is a HIGHER PRICE VERSION OF DAVE WINFIELD, george steinbrenner likes stars, the problem is not everyone produces in new york. A-ROD puts up nice numbers ( and no rings ) what made REGGIE JACKSON SO GREAT IS HE PRODUCED IN NEW YORK AND IN THE POST SEASON, Winfield did not, nor has A-ROD. the guy is in love WITH HIMSELF!!! every time he comes to bat they should play over the loud speaker in yankee stadium "you're so vain" by carley Simon, FITS A-ROD TO A T !!! :coffee:i'll have you know arod hit the go ahead hr for NY in game 4 over the red sox before the yanks pen blew the lead and the rest was history

get a clue and realize it's a team game

no one wins a ws on their own...no one

wake up and learn the sport of baseball

[keithbishop]

i'll have you know arod hit the go ahead hr for NY in game 4 over the red sox before the yanks pen blew the lead and the rest was history

get a clue and realize it's a team game

no one wins a ws on their own...no one

wake up and learn the sport of baseball

I wonder if Winfield knows he doesn't have any rings. :laugh: I guess game-winning RBI doubles in the 11th inning of game 6 of the World Series don't always get you a ring. :rolleyes:

A-Rod is only 32. Winfield won a ring at 41. Perhaps it's way, way, way too early to give up on A-Rod.

[jcdavey]

I wonder if Winfield knows he doesn't have any rings. :laugh: I guess game-winning RBI doubles in the 11th inning of game 6 of the World Series don't always get you a ring. :rolleyes:

A-Rod is only 32. Winfield won a ring at 41. Perhaps it's way, way, way too early to give up on A-Rod.i just think people who bag on players who ACTUALLY produce, and don't have a ring simply due to the rest of their team not being up to their talent, are ridiculous types of fans who know nothing about team sports.

[keithbishop]

i just think people who bag on players who ACTUALLY produce, and don't have a ring simply due to the rest of their team not being up to their talent, are ridiculous types of fans who know nothing about team sports.

Amen, brother. :salute:

[CinnaMunMun]

i just think people who bag on players who ACTUALLY produce, and don't have a ring simply due to the rest of their team not being up to their talent, are ridiculous types of fans who know nothing about team sports.

I hear that.

Ichiro, Matt Holliday, and I'm sure many more.

Some people simply won't be happy with A-rod unless he pulls out a .500 batting average it seems.

[keithbishop]

I hear that.

Ichiro, Matt Holliday, and I'm sure many more.

Some people simply won't be happy with A-rod unless he pulls out a .500 batting average it seems.

If he hit .400 in the regular season with 90 HR , .500 in the playoffs with 12 HR ( in 7 games.... has to be a sweep), and 1.000 in the World series with 10 HR (4 game sweep), including a Grand Slam on an 0-2 pitch trailing by 3 runs with 2 outs in the 48th inning (especially since he had to pitch 17 innings after the bullpen was depleted : 17 IP 0 H 0 BB 30 K, never falling behind in the count)...... followed by saving 2 babies in a burning bus on the way home, he'd get some respect.

I think the world of the guy. Shows what little I know about baseball. :laugh:

[richardthebronco]

WINFIELD IN HIS ONLY WORLD SERIES APPERANCE WITH THE YANKEES WENT ONE- FOR- TWENTY- ONE in the 1981 series against the dodgers. Then as now the yankees do not bring in A-ROD or WINFIELD for the regular season they have always built for the post season. WINFIELD DID NOT DELIVER IN NEW YORK NOR HAS A-ROD. the yankees should PASS ON RESIGNING A- ROD. for that amount of DOUGH they can get 4- or five decent players, The Yankees have to rebuild! this is starting to look like the 1987-88-89 when george bought free anents to try to keep the ship alfoat, only the yankees headed for the bottom !! cut salery, pump money into the scouting department and player development and the hell with free agency and A-ROD! let him go to some other team and CHOKE IN THE POST SEASON, preferably the RED SOX, HE'LL TAKE A BIG BITE OUT OF THEIR SALERY STRUCTURE, STRAIN THEIR FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND LOSE IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH HIM!!! If MR VANITY thinks that playing in beantown is gonna be any easier than NY he's got another thing coming! Boston fans can get on your back just as LOUD AND HARD AS ANY FANS IN NY!!!!! So let larry lucchino OVER PAY FOR AROD THE WAY THEY WAAAAY OVER PAID FOR MATSUZAKA ( not a 20 game winner or a dominant pitcher he was made out to be) :coffee:

[orangenblue420]

dont knwow if someone else posted this but George WILL NOT lose money battles againt the Red Sux - if the Sux offered 50.1 million - we would offer 50.2

Hmm- cap???????????

George would freka -being a Yanks fan i pray there is never a cap ;)

[dogfish]

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[bengaaaaals1688]

So let larry lucchino OVER PAY FOR AROD THE WAY THEY WAAAAY OVER PAID FOR MATSUZAKA ( not a 20 game winner or a dominant pitcher he was made out to be) :coffee:

How about we give Matsuzaka more than half a season to decide whether or not he will live up to the hype he has been given. :rolleyes:

[richardthebronco]

the red sux best pitcher is josh (dl ) beckett, matsuzaka, NEVER FACED THESE TYPE OF HITTERS IN THE FAR EAST!!!!!!!! NOW I PREDICT THE PRICE FOR A-ROD will come down to the yanks and the sox, signing MR VANITY will cost the red sux 30 million for seven or so years that's 210,000,000.00 to "'MR CLUTCH". Now follow me on this, the Yankees are building a new stadium which is gonna be a BIG REVENUE PRODUCER FOR THE BOSS !!! By contrast the red sox are STUCK IN THAT SHOE BOX IN FENWAY, NO WHERE NEAR THE REVENUE PRODUCER THE NEW YANKEE STADIUM WILL BE !!! so if the bidding goes to 30 million or even 35 the YANKS WILL BLUFF AND LET LARRY LUCCHINO SIGN "THE GREAT ONE" this will put added strain on the red sox BOTTOM LINE AND they will not be able to compete finacially with the YANKEES IN ABOUT 5 YEARS!!!! that is if THEY ARE STUPID TO LET A-ROD AN BORAS FLEECE THEM!!!!!!!! :coffee:

[bengaaaaals1688]

the red sux best pitcher is josh (dl ) beckett, matsuzaka, NEVER FACED THESE TYPE OF HITTERS IN THE FAR EAST!!!!!!!! NOW I PREDICT THE PRICE FOR A-ROD will come down to the yanks and the sox, signing MR VANITY will cost the red sux 30 million for seven or so years that's 210,000,000.00 to "'MR CLUTCH". Now follow me on this, the Yankees are building a new stadium which is gonna be a BIG REVENUE PRODUCER FOR THE BOSS !!! By contrast the red sox are STUCK IN THAT SHOE BOX IN FENWAY, NO WHERE NEAR THE REVENUE PRODUCER THE NEW YANKEE STADIUM WILL BE !!! so if the bidding goes to 30 million or even 35 the YANKS WILL BLUFF AND LET LARRY LUCCHINO SIGN "THE GREAT ONE" this will put added strain on the red sox BOTTOM LINE AND they will not be able to compete finacially with the YANKEES IN ABOUT 5 YEARS!!!! that is if THEY ARE STUPID TO LET A-ROD AN BORAS FLEECE THEM!!!!!!!! :coffee:

1) I didn't argue who was the best pitcher on the team... all I said was how about giving Matsuzaka more than half a season to prove how good he is.
2) If you remember correctly, which I doubt you do, A-Rod was actually going to take a pay cut to come to the Red Sox back when he ended up signing with the Yankees... which means that if he comes to us again there is always a chance of him taking a pay cut that the union actually allows. Besides, the Red Sox don't need another 3rd baseman, and they also don't need another power hitter... so I would be ridiculously surprised if they tried to gett A-Rod to begin with.
3) Now to talk about the "shoe box" better known as Fenway Park... which also happens to be one of the most historical and best ballparks in the country. We don't need a new stadium because Red Sox fans are more than happy with Fenway Park, and we just got the seats on the monster put in, so it is completely unnecessary to get a new stadium.

[DevilSpawn]

The Yankees team with Winfield was not Dave's fault. He only had one shot to do something, in 1981. His next chance was in 1992. Plus, George Steinbrenner didn't help things saying that he got rid of Mr. October to sign Mr. May. Winfield was one of the best players in the 80s and he only went to one World Series with the Yankees. He was one of my favorites, especially when he swung, missed and fell on his butt. :laugh:

As for A-Rod, I hated it when the fans booed him mercelessly. Heck, the only Yankee I can remember not getting booed was Don Mattingly and I THINK Paul O'Neill. Even jeter got booed when he began the season batting under .200, finishing the season over .300. We New Yorkers are hostile towards failure when we expect to succeed.

I like A-Rod, but he needs to play in a less hostile enviornment with a great ballpark. If Mark Cuban buys the Cubs, I think he'll go after him. He and Vlad in Anaheim would be sick.

My guess is that he and Griffey reunite in Seattle.

[orangenblue420]

he's not coming back - minorites are inferior to all other compared whites and those who are white v, all others

[keithbishop]

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LOL.

Hey, at least this is entertaining. Now I get to learn how horrible 1st ballot HOF'er Dave Winfied was. :laugh:

My memory must be shot. It tells me he was one of the best baseball players I ever saw. Turns out I was wrong. He was a lifetime .237 hitter with no power and a weak throwing arm. :rolleyes:

Gotta love it when Winfield and A-Rod are spoken of as if they were Rob Deer and Mario Mendoza.

Time to do a historical rant next, I suppose. That Ted Williams guy must have sucked....he had no rings, after all. :rolleyes:

[darrent/hero]

I see where a- rod might opt out of his contract, let him go ahead and do it, If i were the yankees i WOULD NOT PAY HIM 30 MILLION PER YEAR !!! he is not worth it. It's easy for a player to hit home runs and have big years for NON CONTENDING TEAMS !!! WHAT DID HE DO FOR THE YANKS IN POST SEASON? yeah, i'm still looking! I saw where the red sox are interested if he becomes a free agent! well at THIRTY MILLION PER YEAR let them continue to strain their financial resources!!!! he is gonna leave BECAUSE HE CAN'T CUT IT ON BASEBALLS BIGGEST STAGE. So let him go to a small mkt team where he does not have the pressure or demands and let him hit his home runs ( and no rings) just like barry bonds ( only bonds is the biggest fraud in sports history) A-Rod 's legacy will be HE COULDEN'T CUT IT IN NEW YORK!!!! Good the Yankees will save money to put into more players and rebuild so in 4-6 years we will be BACK ON TOP !!! where we belong ! :coffee:

not worht it?

the best player in baseball?

eventual home run king?

and if anyone can pay him the money its the yanks.

[richardthebronco]

HEY BENGAAAAALS: fenway park is a nice ball park,historic yes, however not NEARLY AS HISTORIC AS YANKEE STADIUM, the red sox are trying to cram in as many seats and advertising, they're gonna need a new park, because BOSS STEINBRENNER IS PUTTING UP A PARK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG REVENUE PRODUCER!!!! :coffee:

[bengaaaaals1688]

HEY BENGAAAAALS: fenway park is a nice ball park,historic yes, however not NEARLY AS HISTORIC AS YANKEE STADIUM, the red sox are trying to cram in as many seats and advertising, they're gonna need a new park, because BOSS STEINBRENNER IS PUTTING UP A PARK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG REVENUE PRODUCER!!!! :coffee:

What is with some Yankee fans thinking that what Steinbrenner does has any effect on the Red Sox... at all?? Why the hell would we care about Steinbrenner's stadium?? A new stadium isn't going to take fans away from us, so why would the Red Sox front office give a crap?? :rolleyes:

[keithbishop]

He hit his 32nd HR tonight. :rockon:

[dogfish]

He hit his 32nd HR tonight. :rockon:



yea, so they gonna give him a ring for that? :coffee:



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sorry man, i can't help having a little fun with this. . . .

[keithbishop]

yea, so they gonna give him a ring for that? :coffee:



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sorry man, i can't help having a little fun with this. . . .

I know. No problem, brother.

I've actually been swayed by the arguments and hate A-Rod anyways. In fact, I'm a red sox fan now!! :laugh:

[bengaaaaals1688]

I know. No problem, brother.

I've actually been swayed by the arguments and hate A-Rod anyways. In fact, I'm a red sox fan now!! :laugh:

You have always been a Red Sox fan... you are now just coming out of the closet with it. :P