State of the Raiders

[BeardedWonder]

Btw, in what way are the Raiders no threat? No threat to beat the Broncos? No threat to win the division? Cuz in the past few seasons the Raiders have whooped up on the Broncos for the most part. I'd swear it's like Patriot fans talking to Bills fans in here.

Raiders whooped the broncos in past seasons? Were 6-6 going back to 2006. I know .500 is a winning record to a raiders fan but to normal people thats not that big of an accomplishment...

Raiders arent a threat because you trade 6 first round picks for over the hill players and draft guys based soley on their 40 times. You guys fire coaches before they have time to unpack their offices. Youve had the number one all time biggest bust in nfl history. epic collapses including last season. And your team purges good young players ala nnamdi miller etc.

Whats the chance allens their next year?

[RaiderFanSD]

Raiders whooped the broncos in past seasons? Were 6-6 going back to 2006. I know .500 is a winning record to a raiders fan but to normal people thats not that big of an accomplishment...

Raiders arent a threat because you trade 6 first round picks for over the hill players and draft guys based soley on their 40 times. You guys fire coaches before they have time to unpack their offices. Youve had the number one all time biggest bust in nfl history. epic collapses including last season. And your team purges good young players ala nnamdi miller etc.

Whats the chance allens their next year?

A 'few' is not 6. A few is considered 3 or so, which is pretty recent history. Raiders win in that dept. Not dating back to when 2006, which I was barely a soph in High School... But since your dating back 6 seasons ago, why not check the all time head-to-head matchups? Go:

I'm kind of embarrassed for you after reading that 2nd paragraph. You actually mentioned 40 times, former draft busts, and former FA's that were let go like as if those type of things will continue.

You know what all of those have in common?

They have NOTHING to do with the current guys in charge. Did you not hear? Al(RIP) passed away.

[RaiderFanSD]

Also, a Broncos fan talking about epic collapses? Talk about irony

[Joshecalpoly]

The Raiders still seem to make "Al Davis" like moves when it comes to your QB's, granted your not drafting kickers in the 1st but its close. Still if Davis were still alive the Raiders may have been the first team to truly get in trouble for bounties even if they did it before it became illegal and brought it to the attention of the powers that be. You may not be the same team with a man saying ``The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.'' who drafts athleticism over skills and need every time, who made trades that only were logical to him and fired coaches after one year (o wait that just happened) but the stench is still there

[RaiderFanSD]

The Raiders still seem to make "Al Davis" like moves when it comes to your QB's, granted your not drafting kickers in the 1st but its close. Still if Davis were still alive the Raiders may have been the first team to truly get in trouble for bounties even if they did it before it became illegal and brought it to the attention of the powers that be. You may not be the same team with a man saying ``The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.'' who drafts athleticism over skills and need every time, who made trades that only were logical to him and fired coaches after one year (o wait that just happened) but the stench is still there

The guy who did that trade is gone, Hue. Theres literally a new whole front office, its pretty weird to think about actually. A bunch of new positions have been created that didn't even exist in Raiderland before.

[Joshecalpoly]

He maybe gone but his son isnt, truth is we dont know what the Raiders will be or how they opperate, just that they have same undisciplined players they always have and that wont change over night. Until they prove otherwise I am under the impression it will stay that way for a long time.

[getlynched47]

Dennis Allen is in way over his head.

[RaiderFanSD]

He maybe gone but his son isnt, truth is we dont know what the Raiders will be or how they opperate, just that they have same undisciplined players they always have and that wont change over night. Until they prove otherwise I am under the impression it will stay that way for a long time.

We'll see. I don't think the penalty issue will be resolved because the Raiders have been officiated different for a while now. If ya don't believe me, check out what Pioli said recently. In no way am I saying there isn't a discipline issue though.

[RaiderFanSD]

Dennis Allen is in way over his head.

Any specific reason why?

[Bobs My Uncle]

How do you feel about the cost of your current starting QB

Dude, we gave up 3 draft picks for Tebow, one of those was a 1st rd'er- We got no room to bag on the Raiders for their trade for Palmer

[johnlimburg]

Dude, we gave up 3 draft picks for Tebow, one of those was a 1st rd'er- We got no room to bag on the Raiders for their trade for Palmer

Yes we can. The Palmer trade was laughable at the time. Still is laughable. And the great majority of Denver Broncos fans have no problem ripping the idiot who made the terrible trade up for Tebow and every other move that past fool made while he was here.

Talent wise the Raiders have gotton worse. They are starting fresh from the top down. From the owner to the general manager to the head coach. They done it the right way by getting the general manager first and letting him making the decision on the head coach.

I am not sure what is happening with Dennis Allen and the behind the scenes stuff with this bounty scandal. I think he would have known about it. Hopefully he didn't bring it to Denver and if he gets in trouble in any capacity it looks bad on the Raiders part also. Especially with him refering to Gregg Williams and how he has a similar aggresive style. It could also look bad for Denver.

[Bobs My Uncle]

Yes we can. The Palmer trade was laughable at the time. Still is laughable.

I think its KC, Sand Diego and us that thinks it was a laughable trade- I've always liked Palmer, I watched some of his games last year- They flew the dude in on a wednesday and started him that sunday. If you look after his 3rd-4th start, he got better. I saw him through some nice passes down the field. In fact, if you take away his 1st 2 starts, (Chiefs us) He produced top 10 numbers % wise.

Talent wise the Raiders have gotton worse. They are starting fresh from the top down. From the owner to the general manager to the head coach. They done it the right way by getting the general manager first and letting him making the decision on the head coach.

I dunno man, they picked up a couple nice players me thinks- G- Mike Biseil, CB's Bartell and Spencer and they just signed OLB Phillip Wheeler from the Colts and DE Tollefson from the Giants. Not the typical Al Davis big ticket players, but this is exactly the type of players McKenzie signed when he turned the Packers around

As far as new coaches- remember we all said the same thing last year when Hue was hired.. new coach, new DC, new OC etc.. hey man, lets be real here- If McFadden doesn't go down in week 5, the Raiders probably win 10-11 games and would have won the AFC West... just saying

I am not sure what is happening with Dennis Allen and the behind the scenes stuff with this bounty scandal.

I think all that stuff was done by Williams and Williams alone- I'm kinda courious how the NFL is going to react to Peytons appeal

[johnlimburg]

I think its KC, Sand Diego and us that thinks it was a laughable trade- I've always liked Palmer, I watched some of his games last year- They flew the dude in on a wednesday and started him that sunday. If you look after his 3rd-4th start, he got better. I saw him through some nice passes down the field. In fact, if you take away his 1st 2 starts, (Chiefs us) He produced top 10 numbers % wise.

I think the NFL thinks it was laughable. The new management probably think it is laughable. I bet the unbias Raider fans think it was a terrible trade.

And he didn't fly in on a Wednesday and start. He came off the bench after the other guy threw three picks. Then he done the same. And he never stopped throwing picks. However he was thrown into a tough situation so he deserves some slack. However I still think the trade was terrible. I think it was from day 1. Still think it is.

I dunno man, they picked up a couple nice players me thinks- G- Mike Biseil, CB's Bartell and Spencer and they just signed OLB Phillip Wheeler from the Colts and DE Tollefson from the Giants. Not the typical Al Davis big ticket players, but this is exactly the type of players McKenzie signed when he turned the Packers around

They are backup players who are solid depth players. And Mckenzie didn't turn around the Packers. He was not the GM there. This is his first GM job. And he has a tough job as while he is trying to rebuild he has little cap room and little amount of high draft picks to turn the franchise around.

As far as new coaches- remember we all said the same thing last year when Hue was hired.. new coach, new DC, new OC etc.. hey man, lets be real here- If McFadden doesn't go down in week 5, the Raiders probably win 10-11 games and would have won the AFC West... just saying

I think if Campbell stays healthy they probably win the division. However looking at there front office and the new direction they can compete. However they are not a 10 win team right now. I don't think they will be.

I think all that stuff was done by Williams and Williams alone- I'm kinda courious how the NFL is going to react to Peytons appeal

I am not sure. That audio was in a room with a random documentary guy in there and he said it. I am sure a lot of people all throughout the organisation knew what was going on. With Dennis Allen being from the Williams coaching tree and constantly refering to him and his aggresivness. Hopefully he didn't do it here.

[Bobs My Uncle]

And he didn't fly in on a Wednesday and start. He came off the bench after the other guy threw three picks. Then he done the same. And he never stopped throwing picks.

Yeah I know.. still guy had like 3 days to learn an entire offense- thats pretty tough to do... QB is the most important position on any team- When you can get a QB like a Palmer for a mid rd 1st pick- it's not a bad trade.

Considering in the NFL draft- the success rate for 1st rd picks is less than 40%, its more like 37-38%- saw a study on this from PFT a couple years back

Thats roughly 10-12 players that will ever amount to anything in the NFL that are picked in rd 1- those are not good odds.. Hell, a couple years back we traded up and gave up a 2nd rd pick for a CB that we traded a year later.. Anyway a slice it.. We gave up a 1st rd pick and 2 additional picks for a QB that we got 1 year outta.. I would think the jokes on us....

We'll have to wait and see what the Raiders get out of him, but he damn near threw for 3,000 yards in like 10 games... thats pretty solid

They are backup players who are solid depth players

Huh? Bratell started 5 years for the Rams at CB.. he was injuried early last year, .. Ron Bartell is a solid CB.. Not great or elite.. but he's a pretty good one, Shawntee Spencer was the Niners nickel CB, Mike Brisiel was the Texans starting guard the last year- he was a big part of why Foster was able to pickup those rushing number... we talking about the same guys here?

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And Mckenzie didn't turn around the Packers. He was not the GM there.

He was head of player personel for the Packers for 18 years.. Do you know what that position is responsible for? They won 2 Super Bowls and he was a big reason why

I think if Campbell stays healthy they probably win the division

Eh, I dunno... maybe, maybe not.. I wished he'd never gotten hurt.. he choked in Washington and was not very reliable with the Faiders

I am not sure. That audio was in a room with a random documentary guy in there and he said it. I am sure a lot of people all throughout the organisation knew what was going on. With Dennis Allen being from the Williams coaching tree and constantly refering to him and his aggresivness. Hopefully he didn't do it here.

I thought that tape was from last years playoff game???- Allen was with us then..maybe I'm wrong, maybe it was 2 years ago...

[Puddleglum]

Looks to me like this team is getting worse not better. Thoughts?

I'm of the opinion that due to the salary cap issues they will need to take a step back this year so they can move forward in the future.

How? Routt & Wimbley are guys who were being paid much more than they should've been paid. We haven't overpaid anyone this season, and McKenzie is 5 for 5 in FA signings who have been brought in.

Anyways, games aren't won in FA(with exceptions..). McKenzie does his magic during the draft.. he's a great evaluator of talent, and I'm glad he's that instead of just a cap nerd. Any team can sign a guy excellent with numbers, but not everyone can scout football players.

I've liked what I've seen of McKenzie so far, very level-headed stuff.

Dream,Dream, Dream on chump! Raiders D's will be so much better....the offense well>>>Scary!!!!

AFCW, outlook
1.Raiders
2.Bolts
3. Chiefs
4.Donks

I'm going with:

1. Broncos
2. Chiefs
3. Chargers
4. Raiders

Chargers being the wild card, I can see them competing for both the top and bottom spots. Here's lookin' at you Norv.

He maybe gone but his son isnt, truth is we dont know what the Raiders will be or how they opperate, just that they have same undisciplined players they always have and that wont change over night. Until they prove otherwise I am under the impression it will stay that way for a long time.

The son was smart enough to know that he needs a GM, that changes everything maybe not right away but soon enough.

Dennis Allen is in way over his head.

Boltman-1 said the same thing about 1 year ago, and guess who had a decent defense that got them to the playoffs? I'd rather give a new kid a shot than yet another retread. Here's lookin' at you Norv.