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    Unless we are saving our money for someone else, it would make no sense not to give up a 3rd for him ( assuming that would be the end asking price). We have enough leadership to keep him checked in place. You know he is going to give it everything he has because it's a contract year. Plus, if he leaves we will get that 3rd round pick back through comp picks.

    Rotoworld just stated that they may have to settle for a mid round pick. Just imagine if Elway could only give up a 4th for him. We may gain by getting a higher pick for when he leaves.

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    I'm doubting this trade at this point. After picking up Kerr and Peko... would this really be something we'd continue to pursue?

    Part of the reason that the Patriots have put themselves in such a strong position in FA, is because they are very picky and don't spend all their money every year. They are never strapped for cash. So, just because we have excess funds doesn't mean we need to spend it. Nothing wrong with having some rollover if a deal isn't perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua2585 View Post
    I'm doubting this trade at this point. After picking up Kerr and Peko... would this really be something we'd continue to pursue?

    Part of the reason that the Patriots have put themselves in such a strong position in FA, is because they are very picky and don't spend all their money every year. They are never strapped for cash. So, just because we have excess funds doesn't mean we need to spend it. Nothing wrong with having some rollover if a deal isn't perfect.
    Both Kerr and Peko are going to play nose tackle as far as I know.

    I'm not sure if either or will be playing the defensive end position so we still need to find a suitable defensive end to complement Derek Wolfe.

    We need that inside push from the middle to force quarterbacks outside to Von and Ray so at this point all aspects are worth taking a look at.

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    It was my understanding that Kerr was moved around quite a bit... I thought he played some DE and might work in there? Of course, if Crick is still playing and Gotsis develops at all, that could be big for us.

    Richardson is going to make 8.1 mil. Joe Thomas 8.8. We don't have money to trade for both. Which would you prefer? Personally, I think I'm leaning towards Thomas in that situation.

    Thomas might cost us our first for Browns 2nd and maybe a 3rd?

    Richardson is slightly cheaper on the cap, would probably cost us a 4th?

    There is plenty to think about, to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua2585 View Post
    It was my understanding that Kerr was moved around quite a bit... I thought he played some DE and might work in there? Of course, if Crick is still playing and Gotsis develops at all, that could be big for us.

    Richardson is going to make 8.1 mil. Joe Thomas 8.8. We don't have money to trade for both. Which would you prefer? Personally, I think I'm leaning towards Thomas in that situation.

    Thomas might cost us our first for Browns 2nd and maybe a 3rd?

    Richardson is slightly cheaper on the cap, would probably cost us a 4th?

    There is plenty to think about, to be sure.
    Id take Thomas hands down! No character issues as far as I know and as you've already stated we have guys to plug in at the DE position.

    A key player we need to resign assuming he's healthy is Vance Walker. We resign him and direct all trade focus to Joe Thomas.

    Idk about Kerr bouncing around, I heard he would strictly be a true nose tackle for the Broncos but whatever Joseph's plans for him are we will soon see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Id take Thomas hands down! No character issues as far as I know and as you've already stated we have guys to plug in at the DE position.

    A key player we need to resign assuming he's healthy is Vance Walker. We resign him and direct all trade focus to Joe Thomas.

    Idk about Kerr bouncing around, I heard he would strictly be a true nose tackle for the Broncos but whatever Joseph's plans for him are we will soon see.
    Kerr is listed as a DE on the roster ... also he was talked about competing at DE and maybe rotating to "NT" some.
    From Andrew Mason "On the defensive line, Peko is the likely starter at nose tackle; Head Coach Vance Joseph will count on him to draw the double-teams he warranted in Cincinnati. Free-agent pickup Zach Kerr will factor in at defensive end. Kerr should allow Jared Crick to be used as more of a pass-rush specialist than he was last year, when Vance Walker's injury forced Crick into an every-down role that was not part of the original plan up front." Kerr may end up being a good fit for us, we'll see.

    From everything I have read or found about Joe Thomas being traded says that he doesn't want to be traded and the Browns have no plans to trade him. Do you have some other info dated 2017 that says different? It does not look realistic that Thomas will be traded ... period.

    I think Richardson is too much cost - trade and cap - for 1 year before he needs another contract. I think were fine for now plus add a draft pick or 2 and maybe/hopefully a healthy V. Walker on the DL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    I think Richardson is too much cost - trade and cap - for 1 year before he needs another contract. I think were fine for now plus add a draft pick or 2 and maybe/hopefully a healthy V. Walker on the DL.
    Cost too much? A 3rd round pick that we would get back if he leaves through comp picks. The $8 million would have been less than what we would have given Romo. We have some cap space.

    You said we will be fine. I don't want to be just fine. I want Denver line to be dominate again. We are going to need to be if we plan to take on Pats this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Both Kerr and Peko are going to play nose tackle as far as I know.

    I'm not sure if either or will be playing the defensive end position so we still need to find a suitable defensive end to complement Derek Wolfe.

    We need that inside push from the middle to force quarterbacks outside to Von and Ray so at this point all aspects are worth taking a look at.
    Don't forget about Kasim Edebali, DE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201...ileshort_index

    Article says odds are the Jets move Richardson during the draft. Lists the 3 likely suitors are Denver, Dallas, and KC. Although, their reasoning for some teams are a bit suspect.

    If we could flip a 3rd for Richardson I would do that in a heartbeat.

    Yes he might be a one year rental but if he plays well and gets a big contract elsewhere next year he could return a comp pick the following year.

    The Dline was missing another dominant presence last season and if we have the chance to get someone like Richardson we would be foolish not to seriously consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murph2432 View Post
    Cost too much? A 3rd round pick that we would get back if he leaves through comp picks. The $8 million would have been less than what we would have given Romo. We have some cap space.

    You said we will be fine. I don't want to be just fine. I want Denver line to be dominate again. We are going to need to be if we plan to take on Pats this year.
    You apparently value Sheldon more than I do. I would let some other team go after him. Getting him wouldn't automatically make us "dominate". I don't recall the Jets being anything special this last season, but I don't follow them either.
    I don't see the relevance to Romo there never was any real deal to make there so it wasn't really an either/or situation ... I wouldn't have gotten Romo for anything, very happy that did not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    You apparently value Sheldon more than I do. I would let some other team go after him. Getting him wouldn't automatically make us "dominate". I don't recall the Jets being anything special this last season, but I don't follow them either.
    I don't see the relevance to Romo there never was any real deal to make there so it wasn't really an either/or situation ... I wouldn't have gotten Romo for anything, very happy that did not happen.
    It would make our D more dominate for sure. Our Dline just wasn't the same without Malik. Adding Richardson would bring back that run stuffing with the ability to pass rush back from two years ago. My point with Romo was saying we were interested in him if he was a FA. The minimum that he prob would have received would be $8 million. Plus, it's not like we are paying him this amount each year. We are going to use him for this upcoming year so we can develop the next DE, maybe a Gotsis

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbronco View Post
    Don't forget about Kasim Edebali, DE.
    He will probably practice as an Outside Backer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murph2432 View Post
    Unless we are saving our money for someone else, it would make no sense not to give up a 3rd for him ( assuming that would be the end asking price). We have enough leadership to keep him checked in place. You know he is going to give it everything he has because it's a contract year. Plus, if he leaves we will get that 3rd round pick back through comp picks.

    Rotoworld just stated that they may have to settle for a mid round pick. Just imagine if Elway could only give up a 4th for him. We may gain by getting a higher pick for when he leaves.
    They same leadership that wasn't able to stop Talib from doing stupid things last year? The same leadership group that did nothing when Sanders (allegedly) told the team he was attending the birth of his child while actually being out partying? The same leadership group that wasn't able to stop the O v D rift last year? The same leadership group that lost one of it's key defensive leaders this offseason?

    I'm not sure I agree in the notion that Denver has a strong leadership group in place anymore.

    And then there's the fact that the Jets are extremely eager to get rid of him, and almost all of that has to do with his off the field behaviour. Such as his profanity laced tirade on Snapchat about having to play a late season Saturday night game v Miami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    From everything I have read or found about Joe Thomas being traded says that he doesn't want to be traded and the Browns have no plans to trade him. Do you have some other info dated 2017 that says different? It does not look realistic that Thomas will be traded ... period.
    Mike Evans on the morning show this morning around 8AM said he heard "from a little birdy" that Joe Thomas would be open to a trade with the Broncos. They talked about it for a couple minutes. Stink said a winning record, or even a consistent 500 team, would probably be enticing seeing that the only winning team he's ever been on was his rookie season in 2007 (10-6). I'm sure it's exhausting and he's on the back-half of his career.

    2 hours after Mike said that: https://www.all22.com/denver-broncos...-broncos-no-20

    And his agent states he's "trying to get him to the rocky mountains:" https://www.all22.com/denver-broncos...thomas-broncos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    They same leadership that wasn't able to stop Talib from doing stupid things last year? The same leadership group that did nothing when Sanders (allegedly) told the team he was attending the birth of his child while actually being out partying? The same leadership group that wasn't able to stop the O v D rift last year? The same leadership group that lost one of it's key defensive leaders this offseason?

    I'm not sure I agree in the notion that Denver has a strong leadership group in place anymore.

    And then there's the fact that the Jets are extremely eager to get rid of him, and almost all of that has to do with his off the field behaviour. Such as his profanity laced tirade on Snapchat about having to play a late season Saturday night game v Miami.
    Lot of conjecture in that.

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