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    January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.

    Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.

    Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.

    Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.

    And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.

    ...yikes

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    Is this another one of those "penthouse to the outhouse" stories?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
    January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.

    Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.

    Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.

    Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.

    And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.

    ...yikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut View Post
    One fights to try to stay in the game, one fights to stay out. I know which guy I would want on my team.

    It doesn't surprise me. He showed his tendencies when he was here.
    I don't think Oz was necessarily fighting to stay out of the game.

    I think he was angry that he was replaced in the first place and his response to O'Brien might have been specific to the coach's comments and not representative of his general attitude
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    I don't think Oz was necessarily fighting to stay out of the game.

    I think he was angry that he was replaced in the first place and his response to O'Brien might have been specific to the coach's comments and not representative of his general attitude
    My comment was more from what hubby read in another article, than what Cory posted.

    I wasn't there, so you could be right.

    It does show a pattern, though, doesn't it? I guess people can say it's his competitive spirit showing.
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    Where will Brock Osweiler go next?

    Posted by Mike Florio on March 10, 2017, 3:02 PM EDT

    If George Costanza is T-Bone, then Brock Osweiler should be known as Hot Potato, given that the Texans gave up draft picks to unload his $16 million guaranteed contract for 2017. Now that Osweiler temporarily resides in Cleveland’s hands, where will he go next?

    The Browns clearly don’t plan to keep him. The options are to trade him or to cut him.

    If Cleveland cuts Osweiler, the Browns would get an offset for anything he makes elsewhere. However, as Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com noted on Friday’s PFT Live, why would anyone pay Osweiler more than $775,000, the minimum salary for a player with five years of experience? Whatever Osweiler is paid, Cleveland pays the rest.

    While this would reduce Cleveland’s total cost for a second-round pick in 2018 to $15.225 million (along with Cleveland giving up a 2017 fourth-round pick to Houston and getting a 2017 sixth-round pick back), there’s a way that Cleveland could reduce it even further. The Browns could give Osweiler the hot potato treatment, part two.

    The Browns could ship him to a team like the Broncos (who were willing to pay him $16 million per year last season) for, say, $6 million. Like the Browns, which received a net gain in picks by picking up the contract, Cleveland could send a low-round pick in 2017 or 2018 to Denver to get them to take the contract and reduce significantly Cleveland’s financial burden.

    Under that type of a deal, Cleveland would end up giving up $10 million in cash and cap space, getting a second-round pick in 2018 and a sixth-round pick in 2017, and giving up a fourth-round pick in 2017 plus whatever other pick they’d send to Denver to get them to pay Osweiler $6 million this year.

    Of course, with Gary Kubiak gone in Denver, the Broncos may no longer want Osweiler. The Bills could be interested in Osweiler as a backup to Tyrod Taylor, given the presence of former Denver offensive coordinator Rick Dennison in Buffalo.

    Other teams with connections to Osweiler include the Bears (John Fox) and the Dolphins (Adam Gase). The question is whether either would consider paying him $6 million and take a draft pick from Cleveland in return?

    That’s likely the only way he’d be traded, making the guy who became the first player to be traded with his new team getting a net gain in draft picks also the first guy to be traded that way twice.

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    Wasn't the offer $14M before he went to Houston? Glad he didn't stay for that and no way Elway takes him back, Florio's clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LynchMobster View Post
    Posted by Mike Florio on March 10, 2017, 3:02 PM EDT

    If George Costanza is T-Bone, then Brock Osweiler should be known as Hot Potato, given that the Texans gave up draft picks to unload his $16 million guaranteed contract for 2017. Now that Osweiler temporarily resides in Cleveland’s hands, where will he go next?

    The Browns clearly don’t plan to keep him. The options are to trade him or to cut him.

    If Cleveland cuts Osweiler, the Browns would get an offset for anything he makes elsewhere. However, as Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com noted on Friday’s PFT Live, why would anyone pay Osweiler more than $775,000, the minimum salary for a player with five years of experience? Whatever Osweiler is paid, Cleveland pays the rest.

    While this would reduce Cleveland’s total cost for a second-round pick in 2018 to $15.225 million (along with Cleveland giving up a 2017 fourth-round pick to Houston and getting a 2017 sixth-round pick back), there’s a way that Cleveland could reduce it even further. The Browns could give Osweiler the hot potato treatment, part two.

    The Browns could ship him to a team like the Broncos (who were willing to pay him $16 million per year last season) for, say, $6 million. Like the Browns, which received a net gain in picks by picking up the contract, Cleveland could send a low-round pick in 2017 or 2018 to Denver to get them to take the contract and reduce significantly Cleveland’s financial burden.

    Under that type of a deal, Cleveland would end up giving up $10 million in cash and cap space, getting a second-round pick in 2018 and a sixth-round pick in 2017, and giving up a fourth-round pick in 2017 plus whatever other pick they’d send to Denver to get them to pay Osweiler $6 million this year.

    Of course, with Gary Kubiak gone in Denver, the Broncos may no longer want Osweiler. The Bills could be interested in Osweiler as a backup to Tyrod Taylor, given the presence of former Denver offensive coordinator Rick Dennison in Buffalo.

    Other teams with connections to Osweiler include the Bears (John Fox) and the Dolphins (Adam Gase). The question is whether either would consider paying him $6 million and take a draft pick from Cleveland in return?

    That’s likely the only way he’d be traded, making the guy who became the first player to be traded with his new team getting a net gain in draft picks also the first guy to be traded that way twice.

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    Wasn't the offer $14M before he went to Houston? Glad he didn't stay for that and no way Elway takes him back, Florio's clueless.

    A back-up at league minimum is all he's worth.
    I don't know how the total deal was structured but everything I find reports he was offered $16 million with a total of $30 million in guarantees by Denver. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-offered-16m/

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    The bridge between Elway and Os wasn't just burned, it was burned, nuked, pulverised into ashes and set on fire again. No way he ends up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastic View Post
    I don't know how the total deal was structured but everything I find reports he was offered $16 million with a total of $30 million in guarantees by Denver. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-offered-16m/
    Way too much! Granted he might have played better last season in Denver with an offense he knows than he did in Houston, but he still doesn't have maturity and leadership intangibles, nor the talent, skill and experience to justify the kind of money we offered him. We owe Houston some thanks for offering him such a ridiculously high salary and sparing us the problem of unloading him.

    Brock Osweiler disaster a lesson for all NFL teams, not just Texans

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    A year ago, Brock Osweiler was in high demand during NFL free agency despite only seven career starts. The quarterback rejected a starting position with the Super Bowl-champion Broncos to sign a four-year, $72 million contract ($37 million guaranteed) with the Texans.

    What a difference a year makes for the NFL’s Underachiever of the Year.

    The Texans won the AFC South last season, but that accomplishment was largely due to their defense. Osweiler, 26, had a mediocre season and did not give Houston owner Bob McNair a good return on his investment.

    Osweiler threw a franchise-record 16 interceptions, was benched in Week 15 and reportedly had a locker room confrontation with coach Bill O'Brien in Week 17. The big signing, and McNair's investment, turned into a total bust, and Osweiler was jettisoned out of Houston last week in a trade with Cleveland.

    To add insult to injury, the Texans so wanted to rid themselves of Osweiler and his $16 million guaranteed salary for 2017 that they actually gave Cleveland a second-round pick in the deal. And the street talk is that the lowly Browns will cut Osweiler after it becomes clear they can't trade him.

    Talk about a short trip from the penthouse to the outhouse.

    The bizarre turn of events for Osweiler and the Texans has teams again questioning the wisdom behind putting big money into players (especially quarterbacks) with limited starting experience.

    The trickle-down effect of Osweiler's quick fall from grace could hit Jimmy Garoppolo, who has made only two career starts for the Patriots. Now any team that trades for Garoppolo likely will need him to prove himself as the starter over a full season or two before it signs him to a lucrative, multi-year deal (even if it needs to work a Kirk Cousins-like one-year franchise deal for the succeeding season).

    So many mistakes were made in this saga, starting with Osweiler's miscalculation when he rejected a reported $16 million-per-year deal (with over $30 million guaranteed) from Denver. He had a 5-2 record as starter in 2015 in relief of the injured Peyton Manning, including a 30-24 overtime win in late November over the then-unbeaten Patriots. His numbers on the season were decent, but not great: 10 touchdowns, six interceptions and a 86.4 quarterback rating. But he was a former second-round pick who John Elway and the Broncos felt was ready to take over when Manning retired.

    In Denver, Osweiler had an excellent offensive supporting cast with two top receivers in Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders. He had the league's best defense and an excellent coaching staff that believed in him. Yet he turned his back on Denver, took the money and ran to Houston.

    I've often said free agents rarely play better for new teams. They have new systems to learn. The pressure of big contracts comes with great expectations from inside and outside the organization.

    It all came crashing down on Osweiler.

    In effect, Osweiler received 12.5 percent more money to derail his career by choosing Houston over Denver. I said at the time it would be short-sighted to leave a championship team for a few million dollars more elsewhere. The difference between $16 million and $18 million per year was not going to be a life-changer. (And his agent probably could have negotiated significant performance incentives to bridge that $2 million-per-year gap.)

    Whether it was greed, ego or just a bad decision, it was a mistake. Now Osweiler sits on the roster of the worst team in the league, and Cleveland is ready to dump him.

    Making matters even worse for Osweiler was the story about that locker room confrontation with O'Brien during Houston’s regular season finale against Tennessee. Osweiler reportedly questioned the coach’s decision to put him in the game when starter Tom Savage suffered a concussion, and things supposedly got heated to the point that Osweiler tried to walk away and O'Brien held up his arm to stop him.

    So is Osweiler now considered toxic to the point where no team will sign him once he's released by the Browns? Because it's clear no team will trade for his $16 million contract this season. Not that the Browns really care, as they're happy to have the second-round pick for which they essentially paid the $16 million they'll owe Osweiler. (And no, the Browns are not geniuses for this deal. The $16 million could have been better spent to improve a lousy team.)

    Osweiler eventually will find a team willing to sign him, but it will be at a pittance compared to his Houston deal and surely will be incentive-laden. He'll have to prove himself all over again, too.

    Don't feel too bad for him — he'll get the entire $37 million that was guaranteed to him in the Houston deal. But if Osweiler is any kind of competitor, his pride has to have taken a massive hit.

    The Texans — particularly O'Brien and general manager Rick Smith — are acting happy to have rid themselves of a player with an inflated contract and, apparently, a bad attitude. But they shouldn't be doing cartwheels. They blew it when they gave Osweiler his huge deal, amazingly without having met with him face-to-face.

    In all my years as an NFL GM and team president, I never agreed to terms or signed a free agent without sitting down with him. It's absurd that the Texans brass would make such a major commitment under those conditions. Even with an agent threatening to re-sign with Denver without an immediate commitment, what Houston did made no sense.

    McNair is one of the classiest owners in the NFL and well thought of in league circles. But he should have insisted on such a meeting. He surely is embarrassed by how the Osweiler signing has completely unraveled at major expense in dollars wasted ($21 million paid to him last year in signing bonus, roster bonus and salary) and now a lost 2018 second-round pick. The deal also is a black mark on the resumes of Smith and O'Brien, and it will hurt them in future negotiations.

    What the Texans have learned from the Osweiler disaster will be evident if they find themselves in the running for the services of Tony Romo. You can be sure that there will be a lengthy sit-down with Romo (after an extensive physical exam) before any deal is consummated.

    The lessons learned — or once again revealed — in the Osweiler story: Be sure to buy a well-proven commodity, and always take an in-person look before making a franchise-altering commitment.

    And above all, buyer beware in free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryWinget81 View Post
    The bridge between Elway and Os wasn't just burned, it was burned, nuked, pulverised into ashes and set on fire again. No way he ends up here.
    He didn't go to the White House either.
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    I see Clevelands move to get him and the pick as a good one, but unless someone offered something they really wanted for him, I don't see why they would not leave him on the roster for the year. They aren't exactly loaded with qbs. They have been through enough already. I would think keeping him for the 1 yr would make the most sense. You never know what could happen while he is there. Its not like the Texans and Obrien have been known for their great development of qbs or even getting along with them for that matter.

    As for Denver, I don't think Elway wants any part of him. That ship has sailed, sunk and rotted at the bottom.



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    I wonder what happened behind closed doors for this to happen. I don't believe this was just about this game. That relationship had to sour over a period of time.

    This is the 2nd qb that we know about that has gotten fed up with the current coach and done something we all consider pretty dumb. Neither had problems at their other stops that I know of.

    I wonder what all the previous qb's that have stopped their have to say about their stay behind the scenes. I'm sure we won't find out. It will be interesting to see what and who is next and how that works out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    I wonder what happened behind closed doors for this to happen. I don't believe this was just about this game. That relationship had to sour over a period of time.

    This is the 2nd qb that we know about that has gotten fed up with the current coach and done something we all consider pretty dumb. Neither had problems at their other stops that I know of.

    I wonder what all the previous qb's that have stopped their have to say about their stay behind the scenes. I'm sure we won't find out. It will be interesting to see what and who is next and how that works out.
    Yes O' Brien is known to be a difficult coach to get along with, a temperamental hothead.

    But I think Cory quoted above or you can read the latest inside insight that led to his exit:

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    Eight different QBs have started for the Houston Texans in the past three seasons (Osweiler, Savage, Hoyer, Mallett, Yates, Weeden, Fitzpatrick, Keenum) When one considers that between Frank Tripucka and Charley Johnson (ten years) twelve different QBs started for the Denver Broncos, it does not bode well for the Texans or Bill O'Brien who is supposed to be a good OC/QB Coach.

    They traded Osweiler. What if they don't get Romo? And some think we have QB issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    Eight different QBs have started for the Houston Texans in the past three seasons (Osweiler, Savage, Hoyer, Mallett, Yates, Weeden, Fitzpatrick, Keenum) When one considers that between Frank Tripucka and Charley Johnson (ten years) twelve different QBs started for the Denver Broncos, it does not bode well for the Texans or Bill O'Brien who is supposed to be a good OC/QB Coach.

    They traded Osweiler. What if they don't get Romo? And some think we have QB issues.
    I think Obie is a great guy, father and man. I'm not sure how much of a leader he is at the pro level. At the collegiate ranks his was the first and last voice his team heard. Now everyone's a man and has an ego.

    I think when he's around other men he gets little dog syndrome. For the record that's kind of my take on Oz. He's a big dog that loved to scare the little dogs but when the other big dogs come out, he's headed to the house.

    And Peanut was spot on. One guy Fighting to say in the game, one guy Fighting to stay out.

    Who ya got? :Laugh:
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