I still say if Jabril Peppers is one he board at 20 then he's our guy even over McCafferrey however I don't really see him falling that far.
11, the saints pick at 11.
To the other guy, thats not fair comparison. Thats like saying, well look at that corner josh mcdaniels had us trade a future 1st for. Look at his number and compare them to Jason Verett.
It does not work that way. Look at Sproles. You cannot say because Bush was so and so that Cmac will be (not saying I agree or disagree, just saying its not fair comparison)
1. Cam Robinson LT; 2. Evan Engram TE; 3. Joe Mixon/Al Kamara RB; 3B Jarron Jones DE; 4. Jake Butt TE
Last edited by ksubroncosfan; 04-10-2017 at 01:07 PM.
I'd pose the opposite question, what did Bush do better than McCaffrey, because IMO he's got Bush beat across the board.
Plays from Scrimmage, both played 3 years, so it's a fairly equal comparison: McCaffrey 731 touches for 5128 yards (7.0 yards per touch) 31 touchdowns. Bush 528 touches for 4470 yards (8.5 yards per touch) 38 touchdowns.
Returning ability: McCaffrey 56 KOR for 1479 yards (26.4 yards per return) 1 touchdown. 34 punt returns for 380 yards (11.2 yards per return) 1 touchdown.
Bush: 67 KOR for 1522 yards (22.7 yards per return) 1 touchdown, 44 punt returns for 559 yards (12.2 per return) 3 touchdowns.
Looking at the stats, the only advantage McCaffrey had was in KOR, every other area Bush was more dynamic in college.
Size wise: Coming out of college Bush was just under 5'11 weighed 201 pounds, and ran a 4.33 40 at the combine. 40.5 inch vert, 10 foot 8 inch broad jump and 24 reps on the bench press.
McCaffrey 5'11, 202 pounds ran a 4.48 40, 37.5 inch vert, 10 foot 1 inch bored jump and 10 reps on the bench press.
No in no way is that meant to denigrate McCaffrey, it's pointing out that in every measurable and in stats (minus KOR) Reggie Bush came out as a better prospect then McCaffrey is. Which is probably why Bush went 2nd overall and McCaffrey will likely go in the teens.
Now Reggie Bush's stats in the NFL: 1286 carries for 5490 yards (4.3 yards per carry) 36 touchdowns. 477 receptions for 3598 yards and 18 touchdowns. 6 KOR for a 22.5 yard average. 102 punt returns for 794 yards (7.8 per return) 4 touchdowns. Certainly not a bad career, but is it worth the 20th pick in the draft? Would it be worth the 20th pick and the 52nd pick (if the Broncos trade up to 11)?
Now compare them to Darren Sproles (4th round), Julian Edelman (7th round), Danny Woodhead (undrafted). You can find a similar skill set later in the draft, there's no reason to spend the 20th pick or the 20th and 52nd pick on a gadget player.
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When you're in college, the agility, strength, and speed has heavier weight to it than it does in the NFL, because everyone has those. Especially when you're on a team with so much talent around you that you can really spread the field, being that fast can get you a lot of yards without much ability. Not that bush didn't have ability, because he did! Just making the point. But, once you're in the NFL that's when those other aforementioned abilities start to be the difference. And we don't think Bush quite matches up to McCaffrey in those areas overall.
Mentioning again that McCaffrey, despite being the same size, looked way more comfortable between the tackles than bush ever did. That's pretty important.
Obviously we just don't find comparing their stats as important as you do. And we also don't feel like he is a simple gadget player as you do.
Last edited by ksubroncosfan; 04-10-2017 at 03:28 PM.
When people say that McCaffrey is a X factor and can do all of these things, really he has to because he's not good enough to do any single one of them at the NFL level. He needs to be the jack of all trades.
McCaffrey isn't big enough to consistently run between the tackles in the NFL. The funny thing about the Bush/McCaffrey comparisons, McCaffrey grew up idolizing Bush, that's why he wore 5 at Stanford.
Here's a Reggie Bush USC highlight film, some nice between the tackles runs in there.
And for fun, here's Reggie Bush's draft profile, if you decide that you don't want to read it they said his hands were special and said they were as good as any WR in the 2006 draft. The also talked about how had shown the ability and willingness to run the ball between the tackles.
As I've said numerous times, if McCaffrey turns out to have the career that Reggie Bush did, that's a very good thing, but it's not worth the 20th pick, nor the 20th and 52nd pick. The same skill set (although maybe not quite as good all around) is available in later rounds. So why waste a high pick on a luxury when you can fill a serious need and then get a version of the same player later?
"I never lose, I either win or I learn."
Saying John Elway has a stronger arm than Brett Favre isn't a knock on Favre's arm strength. (Just an example no need to debate the example)
The one thing I still do disagree with that is said about him in there is his ability to run between the tackles. He may have had a "willingness" to do so. But, he simply did not appear to be comfortable in my opinion. Also, Not interested in highlights when you're judging a guys overall play. Besides, how many football fans haven't seen reggie's highlights? Not many I'd wager.
But, to answer your question about why. Because, some of us think he's more valuable than a simple gadget player. We disagree with your notion that he's just another Reggie bush. We obviously like some of his other abilities to translate to the NFL better than Reggie. That doesn't make us right. We could be wrong. So could you guys that don't feel that way about Christian. But, that's how we feel. So, that would be why we would pick him that early.
Btw, 100% disagree with the bolded. The fact that he's a jack of all trades and I think CAN do most if not all of those trades well in the NFL is a big reason why I'd take him in the first round.
Last edited by ksubroncosfan; 04-10-2017 at 04:35 PM.
And to be clear. If I viewed Christian as the same or lesser version as Reggie, I too would feel the same about us drafting him in the first as you do.
Big USC fan. I watched Bush play. I've seen what McCaffrey has accomplished the past couple years too. Similar skill sets but not exact.
The thing that both share is the ability to make dynamic football plays on the football field. I would like to see some of that on the Broncos.
Those simple things that we have forgotten over the past few yesrs. Big play ability. Consistent first downs and effective RedZone plays. An intelligent safety valve for the QBs. Compare him to Bush, Sproles or Edelman or any player you like. Bottom line is he adds something the Broncos desperately need this year.
I understand that some dislike a RB or McCaffrey in the first round. Yet that is where most analysts and mock drafts have him. Not just a bunch of wacky fans. If his "gadget " talent was so easily found in later rounds why is he projected so high?
Finally I do not see the improvement of the offense as a luxury. I see it as a necessity. Whether it be another RB, a TE or McCaffrey the Broncos need a threat in the middle of the field.
One option is McCaffrey. Simple as that.